Mushfiqur Rahim Vs. Khaled Masud

[babubangla]

BangladesherKhela.com repoted that both Habibul Bashar and Dave Whatmore consented that there will be a surprise in team selection for the matches in England. None of them disclosed the plan, but BangladesherKhela.com predicted that Mushfiqur Rahim may get chance to play in one of the tests against England.

Reading this article, I was thinking about a hypothetical situation. For his wicket keeping and batting performance, Khaled Masud is an automatic inclusion in our team at this moment and we do not think anybody can replace him at this moment. But suppose, if for some reason Mushfiqur Rahim gets lucky to get a test cap in England and then make an impressive debut with gloves and bat—the whole scenario will be changed. It happens in cricket—just like Mohendra Dhoni’s capture of No.3 batting position with just an impressive performance in a single match.

Today, Moshfiqur Rahim's name does not even come close to Khaled Masud. But with a lucky test cap and an impressive debut performance may introduce the word “Vs” between Khaled Masud and Mushfiqur Rahim. Now, we don’t even think about it—but in just next 20 days we might see something like “Khaled Masud vs. Mushfiqur Rahim” issues in our team selection scenario.

Edited on, May 5, 2005, 6:32 PM GMT, by babubangla.
Reason: Spelling

[Rubu]

do not think so. there is no way to replace pilot with anyone right now. except for gilcrist may be ;)

well, i know that was a bold statement but given the form and experience khaled masud and mushfiq relation is like a teacher and "class two" student. one is taken simply in the team to teach and give the teacher some needed rest so that he do not get overworked or injured before the actual matches.

unless injured, pilot will play all the tests and odis. at best mushfiq will get some practice matches in this tour.

i think, by surprise what it meant was shahrier nafis playing.

[howzatt!]

Originally posted by AgentSmith

i think, by surprise what it meant was shahrier nafis playing.

i think so too.

[Fazal]

No chance of a controversy...

"The wicketkeeper is potentially a very good player but I see him more as an understudy. The other two, the left-handed opener and the fast bowler, will be given opportunities to really give the selectors a difficult but nice problem to make their debut in England." Dav
DailyStar (http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/05/06/d50506040135.htm)

[mahbubH]

Can Mushfiq be considered as a specialist batsman? Is that the surprise they are talking about?

[Sham]

Originally posted by howzatt!
Originally posted by AgentSmith

i think, by surprise what it meant was shahrier nafis playing.

i think so too.

Yep, same here. And that will be a very pleasant surprise for most of us!!

[Sham]

Come on, lets face it, they have to be completely nuts to drop Mashud and pick a 17 year old in a Test match! There is absolutely no justification for it, unless Mashud bags a pair and drops 6 catches, but I don't see that happening!

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

coach and captain who actually just plays the same tune the coach just plays said that there is going to be a surprise. but that was with nafees. and i dont think they were mentioning mushfiq. i dont even think they were also talking about shahadat.

[bourny3]

Yes the surprise will be shariar nafees playing. Which is no surprise to me really. I dont the JO is good enough anymore.

[AsifTheManRahman]

if indeed the surprise involves the inclusion of mushfiq, then i believe he will come to the side wearing batting gloves only, as opposed to both batting and keeping ones.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

i dont think then he will actually get into the team. because if he is included as a batsman then why not include nafees because he is a better batsman than him.

[PoorFan]

No way to replace Pilot with mushfiq! only replacement could be Javed with Shariar Nafees.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

that might be the case. but still i want to see javed. very good fielder. ak shomoy jokhon oke buet ar mathe practice korte dekhtam tokhon konodino bhabteo parini akdin javed jatiyo dole khelte parbe.

[Beamer]

I swear Bangladesherkhela is the worst source of news ever. I have yet to see one report or article from them that didn't have some mistakes. Whether its spelling, speculation, analysis or even the most simple task of providing the right score, they some how manage to bungle it. Today, I was surprised to read that Rahim could be the big surprise getting the nod in a test match! Nothing can be further than the truth.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

lol:D:D:D:D

[al Furqaan]

pilot is one of the best keepers in the world...how many times can you say that about a bangladeshi cricketer?

[cricfanz]

not just one of the best, but potentially the 2nd best in the world, after Gilchrist.

[Ahmed_B]

Mushfiqur...S.Nafees....Munir...Shahadat....

They get their Debuts in during this tour or not.. it will really be a good learning experience and exposure to all those newcomers. They will get to know the enviroments.. play atleast a few practice matches.. get used to the conditions. This will pay back big in the future.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

actually had already got his debut and unfortunately do anything impressive. but hopefully again he will do something impressive in the practice matches as he always does. and hopefully even if he gets into the team this team he will also bowl well in the main matches not just only in the practice matches.

[sunniath]

the only way that both can play if pilot plays as a specialist batsman.that can be a good idea now that i am thinking about it. :-/

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

Originally posted by sunniath
the only way that both can play if pilot plays as a specialist batsman.that can be a good idea now that i am thinking about it. :-/

bhaijan,
apni kintu onek chinta bhabna korsen. ar koshto koiren na. bakituku whatmore ar hate chere den. naile apnaro unar moton chul paka shuru korbe.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
naile apnaro unar moton chul paka shuru korbe.

Chul Pakle to Kolop ache... kintu Dav er moto chul jodi porte Thake... taile ke hope? Ter upor jodi abar Bhuri ta barte thake.... Thak baba Ami ar ei beshoee chintaee korbo na.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

Originally posted by Fazal
Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
naile apnaro unar moton chul paka shuru korbe.

Chul Pakle to Kolop ache... kintu Dav er moto chul jodi porte Thake... taile ke hope? Ter upor jodi abar Bhuri ta barte thake.... Thak baba Ami ar ei beshoee chintaee korbo na.

lol. bhuri komanor jonno 100% cholestorel free pure vegetable oil khabe.
ar chuler jonno pantene shampoo use kora jete pare. ar chul kalo korar jonno jodi kalo ronger robin liquid blue kingba ujala pawa jai tahole sheta use kora jete pare.

[sadi]

noone thinks mushfiq can get into the team.... thats why its a surprise....hehe........ i really dun think so tho.... i will be happy if he can get his chances on the practice matches......

[sunniath]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
Originally posted by sunniath
the only way that both can play if pilot plays as a specialist batsman.that can be a good idea now that i am thinking about it. :-/

bhaijan,
apni kintu onek chinta bhabna korsen. ar koshto koiren na. bakituku whatmore ar hate chere den. naile apnaro unar moton chul paka shuru korbe.
ridwan bhai,etodine kintu bujhlam amar chul pakar abong chul porar rohoshho.apni abar kintu oshhabhabik krititter shathe,tumul noipunno dekhiye,ekti jotil somoshhar shomadhan dilen.aj jeno banglar akashe udito holo ek notun tarokar.;)

[Akib]

Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by howzatt!
Originally posted by AgentSmith

i think, by surprise what it meant was shahrier nafis playing.

i think so too.

Yep, same here. And that will be a very pleasant surprise for most of us!!

Same here too...

[Rubu]

aka, with 3 one liner quotes, your post look like an optical illusion :lol:

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

to me it looked like a contour map.

[TheWatcher]

I hope the surprise wil be Enamul (or Rafique) using some new tricks to make fool out of Brits.

[James90]

Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Can Mushfiq be considered as a specialist batsman? Is that the surprise they are talking about?
I'd go as far to say that Mushfiqur is a better wicketkeeper. Although it's true that I haven't seen Mashud since Australia I was very impressed with Rahim's glovework. If we were short on batting then it's possible Mashud would play as a specialist batsman and Mushfiqur takes the gloves. I need to take another look over the squads because I thought a few reserve batsman came on tour. If that's the case Mushfiqur will have to settle with tour matches.

[babubangla]

This thread was posted on 5th May.
But suddenly it became more relevant now after Musfiqur Rahims performance in the practice matches.

If he gets a test cap in Lords and succeeds, soon we will find Khaled Masud sitting out once in a while to make room for Rahim. Not always BD will have the luxury to forgo the opportunity to play one more specialist batsman. Rahim playing as wicketkeeper means there is room for another specialist batsman.It's certainly a difficult decision. Khaled Masud means performance under pressure. Khaled Masud means almost guaranteed score around 30's.

God...I am loving this dilemma!!

[bd_cricket]

Where is the bangladesherkhela report? I couldn't find it in there site.

[Spitfire_x86]

Pilot is better than Rajin, so both Mushfiq Rahim and Pilot can play together for a long time

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 8:40 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

[Mahir]

Mashud clearly the better keeper, and Mushfiq might have the edge as a batsman, although I havent seen Mushfiqur's batting. Mind you, Mashud is a gritty batsman, and a very good one!

[One World]

Does this thread really worth so much discussion?

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Pilot is better than Rajim, so both Mushfiq Rahim and Pilot can play together for a long time

pilot is pilot and rahim is rahim. even if rahim becomes better than pilot, pilot will still be in the team until he retires because no one can replace him.

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Mashud clearly the better keeper, and Mushfiq might have the edge as a batsman, although I havent seen Mushfiqur's batting. Mind you, Mashud is a gritty batsman, and a very good one!

mashud may not have the technique of a good batsman. thats why we hardly see him hitting six or fours. but his singles and doubles are really important to us. because his singles and doubles and his patience have helped us save our face in a lot of occassions. he is determined. he has the spirit.

[Fazal]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
.....pilot will still be in the team until he retires because no one can replace him.

Pilot is not replacable at present. However I hope that (the statement) is not true for the future also....that may give a reaosn for pilot-fans "gloat about", but for BD cricket fan in general ( team first than players), if protrays a very gloomy and unhealthy situation. Specially comments like <b> "pilot will still be in the team until he retires because no one can replace him" </b> in future.

Reminds me another ChaCha in making.

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 5:37 PM GMT, by Fazal.

[Mahir]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
mashud may not have the technique of a good batsman. thats why we hardly see him hitting six or fours. but his singles and doubles are really important to us. because his singles and doubles and his patience have helped us save our face in a lot of occassions. he is determined. he has the spirit.

yup, that's exactly what I meant by "gritty".

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Pilot is better than Rajim, so both Mushfiq Rahim and Pilot can play together for a long time
pilot is pilot and rahim is rahim. even if rahim becomes better than pilot, pilot will still be in the team until he retires because no one can replace him.
lol...it was a typo. I meant Rajin, not Mushfiq Rahim.

IMO, Pilot is a better batsman than Rajin. So if Rahim can replace Rajin as specialist batsman, then both can Rahim and Pilot can play together....and we won't feel the absense of Rajin

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 8:44 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

[BanCricFan]

Originally posted by FaltuRidwanBhai
Originally posted by MasterBlaster
Mashud clearly the better keeper, and Mushfiq might have the edge as a batsman, although I havent seen Mushfiqur's batting. Mind you, Mashud is a gritty batsman, and a very good one!

mashud may not have the technique of a good batsman. thats why we hardly see him hitting six or fours. but his singles and doubles are really important to us. because his singles and doubles and his patience have helped us save our face in a lot of occassions. he is determined. he has the spirit.

FRB Bhai, being able to hit 4s and 6s are not the essential criteria for good tecniq. If it was then Afirdi will be considered the greatest technician the game has ever seen! Mashud can also hit big shots when situation demands it (remember ICC final or recent ODIs?). Its true he is not as gifted as some others but he certainly knows his limitations and plays accordingly.

[reinausagi]

Seriously, is a comparison between the two not a tad premature? Let's see how young mister Rahim fares in a few 1st class matches where he bats AND keeps the wicket.

That having been said, I would like to see him in the 2nd test though. With the A-team bats like Alok and Tushar waiting for another crack at the senior side, it would be unfair not to give the kid a chance in the middle sometime during this series.

[jabbar]

I think give him a go as specialist batsman in the second test, IF any players underperform in teh first test (regardless of the actual result). I think that would be the best way.

As he is young, the selectors would want to "protect" him as much as possible, whilst giving him as many opportunities as he can take. The first test will be a fiery start to teh series and may be a little too tough for the 16 year-old. In the second test, the "intensity" will be slightly reduce, so he should be introduced then I think...

[capslock]

Replacing Masud is unthinkable for at least the next 3 years.

[AsifTheManRahman]

come on guys. mushfiqur rahim r piloter naamer majh khane "VS" shobdota moteo manay na. mushfiq still has a very long way to go in order to deserve that. :)

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally posted by AgentSmith
aka, with 3 one liner quotes, your post look like an optical illusion :lol:

to me it looked like a contour map.

and i was pissed off :lol:

[Mahir]

Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
Originally posted by AgentSmith
aka, with 3 one liner quotes, your post look like an optical illusion :lol:

to me it looked like a contour map.

and i was pissed off :lol:

I thought, this guy is another Fazal in the making! :P

[rafiq]

I think habibul_fan should be given a bangaldeshi passport and should replace pilot as keeper, specialist batsman and also can bowl a bit

[FaltuRidwanBhai]

Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
come on guys. mushfiqur rahim r piloter naamer majh khane "VS" shobdota moteo manay na. mushfiq still has a very long way to go in order to deserve that. :)

finally i find someone who doesnt jump to conclusions after just seeing 2 practice matches. mushfique may be good but he still has to go a long way to reach pilot.

[mahbubH]

Cannot stop myself to repost this what was posted on May 5 :embaressed:
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Can Mushfiq be considered as a specialist batsman? Is that the surprise they are talking about?

[PoorFan]

Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Cannot stop myself to repost this what was posted on May 5 :embaressed:
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Can Mushfiq be considered as a specialist batsman? Is that the surprise they are talking about?
Haha.. We should have take a better look at your post.:D

[AsifTheManRahman]

Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Cannot stop myself to repost this what was posted on May 5 :embaressed:
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Can Mushfiq be considered as a specialist batsman? Is that the surprise they are talking about?

when i heard they were thinking of a surprise, that's what i'd thought and posted too. so that's nothing to boast about :P

however, i didn't really support his inclusion at that time. right now, it's more of a certainty, so it doesnt matter what i think :)