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May 10, 2005, 02:44 PM
Can Razzab, please stand up and wave his hand:)
"Nelson" -whenever a batsman scores 111 runs , and
222 is a "double Nelson".
So this "Nelson" predicament seems to be an extremely unlucky situation for JO, as he may be be out next ball .
Also, the story is that in the 1954-5 Ashes series, Australia were twice dismissed for 111. And in the Headingley Test of 1981- 111 all out.
No BD batsman has been on 111 overnight. So will JO reach 222? That would be interesting as the umpire would have to hop in the air until the score changes. :)
Edited on, May 10, 2005, 7:45 PM GMT, by oracle.
Edited on, May 10, 2005, 7:51 PM GMT, by oracle.
May 10, 2005, 02:50 PM
General Nelson lost 1 eye, 1 hand and 1 leg in WW II.
Bangla amar Maa
May 10, 2005, 02:52 PM
We wish to see Javed passes 200 mark by tommorrow.
May 10, 2005, 02:54 PM
The reference to Admiral Nelson (of the Trafalgar square) - long before WWII
Following the one-one-one analogy below - in the pre-decimal days some bank cashiers used the term "Nelson" for an amount of one pound, one shilling, and one penny
In its simplest terms, a "Nelson" is the score of 111 runs (222 equals a "double Nelson" etc). It is considered to be extremely unlucky - i.e. the batsman will be out next ball etc.
This belief is held most strongly (but not specifically) by the Australians.
(Combing the books of cricketing statistics tells us that in losing the 1954-5 Ashes series 3-1, Australia were twice dismissed for 111, as they were in the famous Headingley Test of 1981, when Botham made his famous 149 and Bob Willis then took 8-34.
So why a Nelson?
Suggestion 1. "The origins of this term lie in the erroneous notion that Admiral Nelson had one eye, one arm, and one leg; in reality, of course, Nelson lost an arm and an eye but retained the use of both legs.
Suggestion 2. "It is possible that the number refers to three of his great naval victories, perhaps Copenhagen, the Nile, and Trafalgar:
- thus giving won-won-won.
And how to avoid the omen?
There is an old Gloucestershire superstition that to avoid a dismissal on the next ball, all the team, except the batsman, must have their feet off the ground.
Whenever the score is on a Nelson, double-Nelson etc. umpire David Shepherd hops in the air until the score changes.
May 10, 2005, 02:56 PM
Zeph & Oracle have it covered pretty much :) 'cept in an homage to the Lord Nelson, you are supposed to stand on one leg on a Nelson score.
BTW, JO and Bashar would be daft to have him bat tomorrow. JO should declare (or "retire injured") and let Rajin get used to the seaming conditions. That would be waaaaay more worthwhile to any additional runs JO would add to his name. A sr. player like JO has earned the morning off to sit under a blankie and seep some hot cocoa and watch.
May 10, 2005, 03:01 PM
yeah pretty much the same source. Bangladesh needs to play 50 more years to bag these superstitious numbers, where the team or several players gets stuck in a specific score. Also, there is that number 87, i think, that traps the Aussies.
Edited on, May 10, 2005, 8:17 PM GMT, by oracle.
May 10, 2005, 03:06 PM
Very Interesting info. Thanks a lot.
Rafiq was out on 111( nelson ) against the WI in St.Lucia last year.
Bangla amar Maa
May 10, 2005, 03:10 PM
And Rafique batted on number 9 ...... who else did it in the world cricket i don't have any clue only Mcgrath scored 50+ at number 11 ......... But Rafique's one was sensesional ......
May 10, 2005, 03:13 PM
How about Zaheer Khan's knock against us in Ctg? Did he bat at no.11? maybe no.10..not sure.
May 10, 2005, 04:35 PM
we are bangladeshis
this nelson bizness can get lost
May 11, 2005, 01:40 AM
Australia are very supersticious about 87 as well because it is 13 from 100. And Ashraful is on 87*. Isnt this bizzare. One on a nelson the other on another unlucky number over night. has this ever happened before.
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