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Bangla amar Maa
May 22, 2005, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Warlock
Originally posted by fwullah
What the hell is going on with our players? A 16 year old kid is playing like a matured MAN, and the rest are playing like babies?
Well said FW.

That's so simple , we are on making 2nd "Gilchrist" in the world ....... Watch out this kid as he is desperate ......

cricman
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
1 more run

CTazim
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
Rafique scored his half-century. MR on 99 and rolling. Run rate climbed from 3.6 to 4.27 in the current partnership of 81 runs.



Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:18 PM GMT, by CTazim.

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:19 PM GMT, by CTazim.
Reason: Spelling, etc.

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
uh, bata 99 e aisa porsay. matro ak run dorkar.

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
nervous 99...99.. for rahim..:yawn:

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
99 now

BanCricFan
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
nervous 99!

BangladeshFan
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
amader choto bondhu rahim 97e atke geche, o ar bolte parche na:drool:

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
Oh man, he is on 99.
I am nervous.

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
jaihok,
mushfique tini kintu akhon pouche gelen 99 run a. dekha jak ar akti matro kintu run. khubi kintu tense situation ai muhurte kintu amader shobar mazhe. dhannabad.

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
1 run more

Zephaniah
May 22, 2005, 11:17 AM
MR on 99!

cricman
May 22, 2005, 11:18 AM
last 2 partnerships

93 and 81

BangladeshFan
May 22, 2005, 11:18 AM
eito baba 99, arek pa..........:bald:

Bangla amar Maa
May 22, 2005, 11:19 AM
Now time to count !!!!!!!!! How many centuries Rajin having in First-class cricket in this England tour ?
Ans : None
and Mushfiq had already 2 of them when he is only 16 and half ......

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:23 PM GMT, by Bangla amar Maa.

Ibrahim
May 22, 2005, 11:19 AM
I like Rahim's approaches he is advanceing very slowly and doing excellent.

Sham
May 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
Rajin has 6!

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
jaihok,
shai overti kintu shesh hoye gelo. mushfique tini kintu run nilen na. tini kintu akhon kono zhuki nichhen na. besh dekheshune kintu akhon khela cholche. kichuta jeno shir hoye gelo shob kichu hotat kore. dhannabad.

tansir
May 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
Centuryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy :great:
100 by Puchchiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii:bravo:
Choto morich er jhal beshi :P:P:P

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:20 AM
Comgrats Rahim. for a Century................:::What a Batting :D:joy::joy::joy::great::great::great:

BangladeshFan
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
we can have rajin for one dayers, dont worry:

mahbubH
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
>> Now time to count !!!!!!!!! How many centuries Rajin having in First-class cricket ?
>> Ans : None

Source please?

Zephaniah
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Mushfiqur Rahim 105 159 15 0 66.04

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Who the man...rahim the man..
who the man..rahim the man...

:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

chinaman
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Congratulations to the Little Master Mushfiqur Rahman. Very handsome ton indeed :up:

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
100:fire::fire:

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
100

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
105..................coooooooooooooooooooool

little_master
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Rahim :great::great::great::great:
his second first class century

Navarene
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Mushi Mushi Mushi Mushi Mushiiiiiiiiiiii:fanflag::great::bravo:

sadhat
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Rahim 105* :great:

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
100:great::great::great::great::great:

Ibrahim
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
Wow
105
big tons

cricman
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
TON

CTazim
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
He should debut at the Lord's. This boy is definitely going to set precedence of being "consistent".

Best of Luck!!


:bravo:

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:24 PM GMT, by CTazim.

fwullah
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
well today is third day and they are obviously out of pressure.


Who is out of pressure?

I believe Mushfiqur Rahim is playing like this because he has no such expectation upon him like there is a pressure on Ashraful or even Rajin's shoulder.

Rafique is also the man on the verge of retirement pretty soon (he won't be there when we go to tour England the next time).

In short, the name 'Ashraful' or the name 'Javed Omar' (or others) + pressure = hero turned into zero.

Whereas, the name 'Mushfiqur Rahim', which is not really THE NAME + no pressure + youthful enthusiasm = zero turned into hero.

salin
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
:great::great::great::great:

cricman
May 22, 2005, 11:21 AM
no a 4

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:22 AM
100 wow well done son:up:

BanCricFan
May 22, 2005, 11:22 AM
:fire::fire::fire:

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:27 PM GMT, by chinaman.
Reason: see the board rules about posting emoticons.

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by Bangla amar Maa
Now time to count !!!!!!!!! How many centuries Rajin having in First-class cricket ?
Ans : None
and Mushfiq had already 2 of them when he is only 16 and half ......

My friend Don't give false information here!

fwullah
May 22, 2005, 11:22 AM
Did Mushfiqur Rahim hit a 6 to go on to 105 from 99?

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:22 AM
ebong shai shathe kintu mushfique pouche gelen 105 run a. orthat tini kintu kore fellen shai khangkhito shotorunti. take kintu amader shobar shubechha. chomotkar kintu akti innings khellen ajke tini amader shobar mazhe. boyoshe ottanto choto holeo tar bat chalano dekhle kintu tar boyosh bozhar kono upay nai. dhannabad.

bd_cricket
May 22, 2005, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Sham
Rajin has 6!

Sham,
Are you still against Rahim's debut at Lords?

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:23 AM
now, mushi should show that he has some firepower as well in his arsenal.

score some quick runs.

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:23 AM
who the man..rahim the man..
who the man..rahim the man..
who the man..rahim the man
:fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire:

Ashiq
May 22, 2005, 11:23 AM
Allah-o-akbar!:fanflag:

:bravo: Guys, Bangladesh Zindabaad!:great::great::great:

cracky
May 22, 2005, 11:23 AM
congrates Rahim.

Bangla amar Maa
May 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Samir
Who the man...rahim the man..
who the man..rahim the man...

:fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire: :fire:

Arey dhur ............... Rafique is the man as always ........... it can't be change unless he retires .........

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
BanCricFan,

please edit your post Thanks. The layout of the page is gone.

dancin in the rain
May 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
congrats MR :joy:

BanCricFan
May 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
Originally posted by Bangla amar Maa
Now time to count !!!!!!!!! How many centuries Rajin having in First-class cricket in this England tour ?
Ans : None
and Mushfiq had already 2 of them when he is only 16 and half ......

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:23 PM GMT, by Bangla amar Maa.

Hey BaM, do u know what does FC stands for?

Rajin has 6 FC century!!

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 11:24 AM
This is for Rahim:

:fire::fire::fire:

:fire::fire::fire:

akabir77
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
rafiq gone

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
no six in Mushfiq's innings so far

sadhat
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
Danger man Rafique OUT :mad:

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
Rafique out.

good innings. :great:

btw, can a mod fix the forum look plz? too many emoticon destroyed it.

bd_cricket
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
rafiq out!!

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
fwullah madam,
no pressure bolte mean kortesilam je today is third day. and obviously there is not going to be any result in this match. so they dont have anything to worry about the result. so which is why they were playing without any pressure. the only pressure was on rajin because he had to score some runs to prove himself. but he failed horribly.

jaihok,
mushfiq kintu tar proyojoniota proman korlen aro akbar. dhannabad.

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
rafique gone:umm:

Ashiq
May 22, 2005, 11:25 AM
rafiq out!:E

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:26 AM
looks like good old rafique is gone...:mad:

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:26 AM
rafiqs out on 54

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:26 AM
jaihok,
chomotkar akti zhoro innings ar por kintu chole gelen rafique. 54 ti run korechilen kintu tini. ebong shetar jonno tini kintu bole khelechilen matro 52ti. akhon kintu notun batsman hishabe mathe nemechen taposh. dhannabad.

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:26 AM
Dhur,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Rafiq gone. They should have batted till the end...

dancin in the rain
May 22, 2005, 11:26 AM
well done rafique.... he decided to give chance to toher players for batting practice.......:clap:

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:27 AM
Well, Rafiq may be gone but Tapsh has arrived to give the Northants a hard time.

BanCricFan
May 22, 2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by BanCricFan
Originally posted by Bangla amar Maa
Now time to count !!!!!!!!! How many centuries Rajin having in First-class cricket in this England tour ?
Ans : None
and Mushfiq had already 2 of them when he is only 16 and half ......

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 4:23 PM GMT, by Bangla amar Maa.

Hey BaM, do u know what does FC stands for?

Rajin has 6 FC century!!

(England tour) ok u r right!
but ckeck your other post abt Rajins FC ton

Bangla amar Maa
May 22, 2005, 11:27 AM
Now time for the fire-works .................. Rahim should hit few sixes we are well placed already ............we got lead here ..........

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:28 AM
Does FC means Faltu Cricket or First Class?

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:28 AM
now our target is to cross 300 landmark:sorry:

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:28 AM
how about 150 for rahim....he can do it, we still have time..

Ashiq
May 22, 2005, 11:28 AM
Khela shesh.................Rafique gone = kehlar moja gone:exclamation:

BangladeshFan
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
who are those oppositions for rajin's FC centuries?

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
6..6...6...6..6...rahim just hit a 6:great:

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
Rahim is giving the bowlers a bloody nose.
A SIX for him!:up::up::up:

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
jaihok,
mushfique tini kintu akhon 109 run a pouche gelen. ebong taposh kintu akhono tar run ar khata khulenni. jaihok khela shesh hote kintu ar beshi deri nai. tobe jehetu kalke purotai khela hoi nee ebong prothom diner beshir bhag shomoy khela hoi nee amar kintu mone hoi aro kichukkhon khela gorabe. abar jehetu ai khear kono result howar shombhabona nai tate kore du doler odhinayok chaile khela kintu akhoni shesh kore dite pare. dhannabad.

akabir77
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
there u go little MR's first 6 of the innings

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:30 AM
mushi hit a SIX finally. go mushi.

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
sis rahim

little_master
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
WOW Rahim on fire
fired a SIX

Ashiq
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
Oh well...atleast this was good batting practise for our boys...:)

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
jaihok,
mushfique kintu shobar kotha rakhlen ebong akti chokkar marlen. shai shathe tini pouche gelen 115 run a. ebong opor prante taposh tini akhon akhon 5 run niye bat korchen. dhannabad.

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
By the way, it is the highest FC score for Rahim. His previous best was 111.

Sham
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
Originally posted by Sham
Rajin has 6!

Sham,
Are you still against Rahim's debut at Lords?

Bd_cricket,

You have to understand something. I am not against Rahim's inclusion because I don't think he is good enough. I have said, he is a little gem and I think he has validated my take on his batting. I have been against his inclusion because I don't believe in hurrying young players with talent into the national team and I stand by that.

I think the problem facing the selectors now more than the fact that Rahim is playing like a real tiger is that Rajin and Aftab aren't doing well. So, if the selectors feel that one of those two should be left out at Lord's, then Rahim should play ahead of Abir. But this doesn't take away from my point all along, which is that players should ideally make their national team debut after a decent FC stint, not after 3 or 4 first class matches. Don't forget, when Ashraful came into the team, he was also scoring a lot of runs, not dissimilar to what Rahim is doing now.

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
hahah........... Peterson is taking hell of a beating...:D His economy rate shoot to 4.71.. :D comming close to Anwar.. hahah

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 11:31 AM
BAM is saying whatever he wants to say, and some people are supporting it.

Please Check Rajin's FC record at Cricinfo!

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:32 AM
how many overs left?

Bangla amar Maa
May 22, 2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Samir
6..6...6...6..6...rahim just hit a 6:great:

Great i was just waiting for that ........... now i can sleep well tonight .

dancin in the rain
May 22, 2005, 11:32 AM
Thats it... I am now convinced that MR should get a chance to play a test in this series. I am a big fan of rajin but afraid that he will be the scapegoat for this time......

Again congrats to MR:clap:

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 11:32 AM
Pilot should let MR play as long he can.

Ashiq
May 22, 2005, 11:33 AM
Will the Engliand/Australia VS BD cricket matches be available here on video for download?

bd_cricket
May 22, 2005, 11:33 AM
Is rahim the youngest player of BD who gets a first class 100? I think so.

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Pilot should let MR play as long he can.
Relax, nobody's going to declare now. What is the point?

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:33 AM
Originally posted by Bangla amar Maa
Originally posted by Samir
6..6...6...6..6...rahim just hit a 6:great:

Great i was just waiting for that ........... now i can sleep well tonight .

me too...but its only morning in here....

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:34 AM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by bd_cricket
Originally posted by Sham
Rajin has 6!

Sham,
Are you still against Rahim's debut at Lords?

Bd_cricket,

You have to understand something. I am not against Rahim's inclusion because I don't think he is good enough. I have said, he is a little gem and I think he has validated my take on his batting. I have been against his inclusion because I don't believe in hurrying young players with talent into the national team and I stand by that.

I think the problem facing the selectors now more than the fact that Rahim is playing like a real tiger is that Rajin and Aftab aren't doing well. So, if the selectors feel that one of those two should be left out at Lord's, then Rahim should play ahead of Abir. But this doesn't take away from my point all along, which is that players should ideally make their national team debut after a decent FC stint, not after 3 or 4 first class matches.[b]Don't forget, when Ashraful came into the team, he was also scoring a lot of runs, not dissimilar to what Rahim is doing now./b]

Totally agree wtih u Sham

oracle
May 22, 2005, 11:34 AM
Don't forget, when Ashraful came into the team, he was also scoring a lot of runs, not dissimilar to what Rahim is doing now.


eloquently put, but am afraid rational thought just flew out the window with that 100.:)

dancin in the rain
May 22, 2005, 11:35 AM
Sham i agree with you....but he deserves a chance after all these. There is no harm to test him......

bd_cricket
May 22, 2005, 11:35 AM
With Rahim in the team, Pilot will be always on his toes.

akabir77
May 22, 2005, 11:35 AM
sham its true some our young plyr was getting run in couple of FC before getting the node but this guy is different as he faced lots of balls too and there is some thing in his inning sugests he is not ash...

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:35 AM
we played only 69 overs???
not a good sign for 1st test in lords

Samir
May 22, 2005, 11:36 AM
and also he faced tough oppositions..

Warlock
May 22, 2005, 11:36 AM
Six for Tapash!!!!:joy::joy::joy::joy:
And BD crossed 300!

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:36 AM
declared???
why?:down:

Ejaj
May 22, 2005, 11:37 AM
I guess. the match ended.............. not a bad practice for BD.. specially for Rahim.............. Congrats... Hope to see u in the first test.

Maz_uk
May 22, 2005, 11:37 AM
decleared n drawn

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 11:37 AM
I don't know how many tons Ash had before his inclusion, but it's a totally wrong information that he was there for his batting. He was included as a spinner !

dancin in the rain
May 22, 2005, 11:38 AM
why ? could do a little more practice......don't get it.

Rubu
May 22, 2005, 11:38 AM
Match drawn. ok, we are finally done with practice matches. what have we got?

we still don't know the final 11. thats what we got. until this match it sure certain. but mushfiq changed things around. and now i don't know what dav gonna do. may be one less bowler and mushi in.

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 11:39 AM
Now tell me what was the rush!!!

bd_cricket
May 22, 2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by bd_cricket
Originally posted by Sham
Rajin has 6!

Sham,
Are you still against Rahim's debut at Lords?

Bd_cricket,

You have to understand something. I am not against Rahim's inclusion because I don't think he is good enough. I have said, he is a little gem and I think he has validated my take on his batting. I have been against his inclusion because I don't believe in hurrying young players with talent into the national team and I stand by that.

I think the problem facing the selectors now more than the fact that Rahim is playing like a real tiger is that Rajin and Aftab aren't doing well. So, if the selectors feel that one of those two should be left out at Lord's, then Rahim should play ahead of Abir. But this doesn't take away from my point all along, which is that players should ideally make their national team debut after a decent FC stint, not after 3 or 4 first class matches.[b]Don't forget, when Ashraful came into the team, he was also scoring a lot of runs, not dissimilar to what Rahim is doing now./b]

I understand you totally. But by looking at the other player's form (Rajin and Aftab) and the way this little kid is playing I think he will definitely get a nod at Lords.

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:40 AM
jaihok,
jete bhebechilam shetai kintu holo. orthat nirdishto shomoyer agai kintu khela shesh hoye gelo. taposh kintu shesh porjonto akti chokkar marlen. tini kintu korlen 16 run matro 14 bol a. ebong mushfique kintu shesh porjonto oporajito roye gelen shai 115 run kore. chomotkar akti innings khellen kintu tini. ebong chomotkar kintu akti dolio shongroho ami bolbo. ai rokom akti innings jodi amra lords test a niye jete pari. tahole kintu ar dushchintar kono karon thake na. dhannabad.

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by shaheen
declared???
why?:down:

shomoy shesh bhaijan.

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 11:42 AM
I guess Pilot did not want to tire out Mushfiq as he already got the century.

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I guess Pilot did not want to tire out Mushfiq as he already got the century.
Thukku Whatmore did not.....

shaheen
May 22, 2005, 11:44 AM
less bowler?

mashrafe/tap[osh/rajib/aftab/rafique/ash all can bowl
javed/nafees/bashar/ash/pilot/mushfique/aftab/rafique/masrafee can bat pretty well too
so final 11 is

Javed/Nafees/Bashar/ Ashraful/Aftab/Mushfique/pilot/Rafique/Mashrafee/Taposh/Rajib

little_master
May 22, 2005, 11:45 AM
So this is the team for first test
Nafis
Javed
Habibul
Ashraful
Aftab
Mushfiqur
Khaled Mashud
Md Rafique
Mashrafe
Tapash
Shahadat

fwullah
May 22, 2005, 11:45 AM
there is some thing in his inning sugests he is not ash...


Can you please explain?

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 11:48 AM
apni ki tar batting technique ar kotha bolchen? naki she kirokom confidently khele tar kothabolchen. dhannabad.

akabir77
May 22, 2005, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by fwullah

there is some thing in his inning sugests he is not ash...


Can you please explain?

like he doen't hit 2 4's in a row and can do dot ball's for long time and then doesnt get out.....

fwullah
May 22, 2005, 11:56 AM
I think now we are in more trouble than when we were at the start of the match.

Number 1: Before the match, we were hoping that either Aftab or Rajin would get some time in the middle, and even if Javed Omar & Ashraful doesn't score, they'd also spend some time in the middle as well.

But now after the match, all the 4 above mentioned players could not do anything that they were expected to do.

Number 2: Before the match, it was only a jubiliant fan's reaction to include Mushfiqur Rahim into the Lord's test final eleven, and after the match, it has now spread a suspicion on Dav's mind (eta hote badhyo - its bound to be like this) as to whether he should include Mushfiqur Rahim in the team or not.

Number 3: Before the match, it was speculated that Aftab may be out of practice, but after the match it is now speculated that Rajin could be out of form.

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 11:56 AM
The problem with Ash is he is too concerned about himself than the team, always wants to show off his capabilities. If Musfiq can avoid those tendencies, he will have lot more successful career.

fwullah
May 22, 2005, 11:58 AM
I wonder what Ashraful is feeling now - watching kinda like his alter ego in another player in Rahim.

mahbubH
May 22, 2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
Is rahim the youngest player of BD who gets a first class 100? I think so.
May be. How old was Raqibul Hassan when he scored a 100 against Zimbabwe A? That was his first FC match too.

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
The problem with Ash is he is too concerned about himself than the team, always wants to show off his capabilities. If Musfiq can avoid those tendencies, he will have lot more successful career.

:up: (though I agreed with you on this issue previously!)

akabir77
May 22, 2005, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
The problem with Ash is he is too concerned about himself than the team, always wants to show off his capabilities. If Musfiq can avoid those tendencies, he will have lot more successful career.

I don't agree what ever he does i am sure he is not a show off for sure.... he might be restless but not show off

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 12:09 PM
Flipper, please don't get me wrong. I loved what Mushfiq did today. But this is a second string county bowling side. A century against them really does not qualify him to play Harmison and Hoggard together. I really hoped he would be given more time for full maturity. But look like picking any other option will be politically very dangerous for the management.

Please don't get mad at me.

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Flipper, please don't get me wrong. I loved what Mushfiq did today. But this is a second string county bowling side. A century against them really does not qualify him to play Harmison and Hoggard together. I really hoped he would be given more time for full maturity. But look like picking any other option will be politically very dangerous for the management.

Please don't get mad at me.

i agree with you completely. mushfique played very well in australia too. but again that was another level of cricket. let him climb the steps of the ladder one by one to get to the top instead of someone dragging him from the top. this would only hurt him. but letting him climb each step is just going to give him more maturity and confidence. because he will know that he knows how it felt to climb each step of the ladder and he will understand how hard it was to get to the top. and then he will be able to value that more.

Sham
May 22, 2005, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
I don't know how many tons Ash had before his inclusion, but it's a totally wrong information that he was there for his batting. He was included as a spinner !

Thats not really true, although a lot of people have been saying this very thing here recently. I think it might be a case of mixing up Ashraful with Kapali, and this misconception is being aided by the fact that Ashraful batted at number 7 in his first Test. Ashraful came into the team after a strong domestic season, and especially after a good century (as an opener) against the visiting Australian Commonwealth Bank Academy team which toured Bangladesh in 2001.

His was also a leg-spinner, but it is completely false that he was picked for his spin, because he never did anything unbelievable with his spin in domestic cricket. Those of you who were at Teststatus.com at the time will remember this very well.

BanglaCool
May 22, 2005, 12:19 PM
politically! - preposterous

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Flipper, please don't get me wrong. I loved what Mushfiq did today. But this is a second string county bowling side. A century against them really does not qualify him to play Harmison and Hoggard together. I really hoped he would be given more time for full maturity. But look like picking any other option will be politically very dangerous for the management.

Please don't get mad at me.

Watcher, I am not mad, trust me. I have to admit, and agree with you on this issue that We are puting Mushfique hurridly in the test games. But, looking at our star performers' attitutude and failure, I have no other choice. If our star performers can't face a second string bowling, and he can, then he is a damm well bet for the Lords Test to face Harmison and Hoggard.

BanglaCool
May 22, 2005, 12:24 PM
what's the difference of a someone doing 0s and 1s consistently while another getting 100s?
to some exclude the batsman getting the 100. So why did mushfiq score 100 for?
Ofcourse to prove his worth and get into the playing XI. And he deserves every chance to get into the team.
Some ppl compare early ash with current mushfiq and draw the wrong conclusion - dont include mushfiq. Hey, ash is here and so should mushfiq.
You will not do any justice to rajin and BD cricket if you include him for the tests and he does bad and then gets thrown away like others before him. So, let him stay in the sidelines and get determined enough so that the next opportunity he gets he can really show what he has learnt.

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 12:27 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Flipper
I don't know how many tons Ash had before his inclusion, but it's a totally wrong information that he was there for his batting. He was included as a spinner !

Thats not really true, although a lot of people have been saying this very thing here recently. I think it might be a case of mixing up Ashraful with Kapali, and this misconception is being aided by the fact that Ashraful batted at number 7 in his first Test. Ashraful came into the team after a strong domestic season, and especially after a good century (as an opener) against the visiting Australian Commonwealth Bank Academy team which toured Bangladesh in 2001.

His was also a leg-spinner, but it is completely false that he was picked for his spin, because he never did anything unbelievable with his spin in domestic cricket. Those of you who were at Teststatus.com at the time will remember this very well.


Nope, he was picked for his spin. This is just one proof of what I said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1622174,00.html

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 12:32 PM
Please Cut and paste the above link.

Sham
May 22, 2005, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Flipper
I don't know how many tons Ash had before his inclusion, but it's a totally wrong information that he was there for his batting. He was included as a spinner !

Thats not really true, although a lot of people have been saying this very thing here recently. I think it might be a case of mixing up Ashraful with Kapali, and this misconception is being aided by the fact that Ashraful batted at number 7 in his first Test. Ashraful came into the team after a strong domestic season, and especially after a good century (as an opener) against the visiting Australian Commonwealth Bank Academy team which toured Bangladesh in 2001.

His was also a leg-spinner, but it is completely false that he was picked for his spin, because he never did anything unbelievable with his spin in domestic cricket. Those of you who were at Teststatus.com at the time will remember this very well.


Nope, he was picked for his spin. This is just one proof of what I said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1622174,00.html

Okay, let me try to sort out the confusion a little bit. Ashraful didn't make the squad as a spinner. He made the squad as a batsman. If he couldn't bat, he wouldn't have been anywhere near the team, because both in domestic cricket and against touring sides, he played as a batsman who could bowl leg-spin, and this is how he got into the squad.

As for that particular Test match against Sri Lanka, the selectors took Ashraful because his leg-spin (on top of his batting) could come off handy. So yes, he was picked mainly because he could bowl spin, but not as a spinner, if you can see what I mean.

Let me try to explain this further. If Aftab plays on Thursday, it is very likely that he will be picked mainly because of his bowling. That is to say, he is a batsman who can bowl seam. It doesnt mean that he is picked as a seamer!! Get it?

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 5:42 PM GMT, by Sham.

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 12:40 PM
I guess Mushfiqur at least won't be chosen for his Weket Keeping!

FaltuRidwanBhai
May 22, 2005, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
I guess Mushfiqur at least won't be chosen for his Weket Keeping!

true. atleast for now his batting is the main part. maybe he can be the keeper for a couple of overs to give pilot some rest. but i think that wont be necessary.

reverse_swing
May 22, 2005, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Flipper
I don't know how many tons Ash had before his inclusion, but it's a totally wrong information that he was there for his batting. He was included as a spinner !

Thats not really true, although a lot of people have been saying this very thing here recently. I think it might be a case of mixing up Ashraful with Kapali, and this misconception is being aided by the fact that Ashraful batted at number 7 in his first Test. Ashraful came into the team after a strong domestic season, and especially after a good century (as an opener) against the visiting Australian Commonwealth Bank Academy team which toured Bangladesh in 2001.

His was also a leg-spinner, but it is completely false that he was picked for his spin, because he never did anything unbelievable with his spin in domestic cricket. Those of you who were at Teststatus.com at the time will remember this very well.


Nope, he was picked for his spin. This is just one proof of what I said:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2094-1622174,00.html

Okay, let me try to sort out the confusion a little bit. Ashraful didn't make the squad as a spinner. He made the squad as a batsman. If he couldn't bat, he wouldn't have been anywhere near the team, because both in domestic cricket and against touring sides, he played as a batsman who could bowl leg-spin, and this is how he got into the squad.

As for that particular Test match against Sri Lanka, the selectors took Ashraful because his leg-spin (on top of his batting) could come off handy. So yes, he was picked mainly because he could bowl spin, but not as a spinner, if you can see what I mean.

Let me try to explain this further. If Aftab plays on Thursday, it is very likely that he will be picked mainly because of his bowling. That is to say, he is a batsman who can bowl seam. It doesnt mean that he is picked as a seamer!! Get it?

Edited on, May 22, 2005, 5:42 PM GMT, by Sham.

I concur with you.

TheWatcher
May 22, 2005, 02:40 PM
At the end of the day, I find the situation very depressing. First, Shafayet and Afzaal proved the bowling attack including Taposh and Rafiq toothless against quality batsmen. Then our regular batsmen again fell like ninepins against a second string county bowling side. Mushfiq's innings was a treat, but I can't expect him to score a century or a fifty in his debut match.

Our result in Australia always used to assure me that our team would not do too bad against England. Now the comphort of that assurance is gone.

Flipper
May 22, 2005, 03:02 PM
Once again you're right Watcher! It's not surprising at all that our top order failed again. The only difference in this game from the sussex game was that we were missing the dependable batting of Pilot who once again gave stability to our innings by playing this many balls. It was also an added bonus that Rafique's batting can never be underestimated even in such conditions.

jabbar
May 22, 2005, 11:19 PM
ther is alot of jumping and speculating going on. The fact is, the test match hasn't started, and good players know how to peak at the right time. This ability also comes with experience.

The players pushing for selection tend to play harder in the tour matches than those who know they are secured a spot (such as rafique and mashrafee).

Well... at least that's my theory on the apparent baffling show of form by the players...

amim
May 23, 2005, 03:52 AM
who will miss out ?

Edited on, May 23, 2005, 9:00 AM GMT, by amim.

amim
May 23, 2005, 03:52 AM
Well if Rahim did score 63 and 115 not out then he did himself a favour by doing so because if he gets picked for the 1st test, then he will need to have the confidence he gained after those 2 knocks. I think people are surprised because they didn't expect the 2nd wicket keeper to outplay all the genuine batsman who are in the squad for their batting alone.

Let's face it .... just because these guys are older doesn't mean they can't be incompetent. More new generation cricekters are showing better ability than older players like Golla ... who have played cricekt since the old days ... Anyway golla scored a century and he will play ... Rahim was picked ahead of many other wicket keepers because of his batting.

amim
May 23, 2005, 03:56 AM
Rahim's 1st class average is 66.00 better than most of the BD players. It's early days yet but if he can maintain an average of 50 after 1 year it will still be very impressive.