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oracle
June 10, 2005, 11:15 AM
Mashrafe Mortaza c Sutton b Gray 0 (0m 1b 0x4 0x6) SR: 0.00

He has been in the test circuit for a while now and i consider him experienced enough not to be called a kid. I expect a certain levelheadedness and skill to deal with this type and level of bowling. I cannot find anymore excuses to cover such failures.

As he is an indispensible bowler, his batting is really dragging the tail down. Dav needs to do something radical about this. Along with Ash, Masri's current flop is leading the team nowhere.

fwullah
June 10, 2005, 11:20 AM
We only have to consider Mashrafee as a specialist bowler - not as a potential all-rounder, that's all.

Zobair
June 10, 2005, 11:21 AM
well...if he is batting like a number 11 then play him at number 11. We should have a competition amongst the tail-enders for who gets to bat up the order, and performances should count. Nazmul should bat higher than Mashrafe in the next match. That should teach Mashrafe a lesson.

mahbubH
June 10, 2005, 11:28 AM
These days he is spending a lot of time with Ash.

Ahmed_B
June 10, 2005, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by pompous
well...if he is batting like a number 11 then play him at number 11.
RIGHT!
And perhaps his batting vs. the indians was just a fluke!...I am starting to believe that now! :duh:

CTazim
June 10, 2005, 11:41 AM
okay everyone... Have you considered part of the problem may be the eratic inclusions/exclusions in the senior team? Maybe part of the problem is that the batsmen go to the crease with concerns that they may not be selected in the next game if they don't do well.

I sincerely think that we need to have a fresh selection panel, team management and to an extent a new coach. I think we need someone like McInnes who has the capability of instilling "winning" mentality in the players.

I think Bangladesh Senior team's organizational development is hampered by the "selection panel". They need to go before any further changes!!

Edited on, June 10, 2005, 4:43 PM GMT, by CTazim.

Spitfire_x86
June 10, 2005, 11:46 AM
He's reminding me about Agarkar of 1999 Australia tour. But later the same Agarkar scored a test 100 at England and has highest score of 90+ in ODI (also holds the record of fastest ODI 50 for India)

Spitfire_x86
June 10, 2005, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
These days he is spending a lot of time with Ash.
:lol:

Faceoff
June 10, 2005, 11:47 AM
I still think Mashrafee should concentrate in his bowling. He is our main strike bowler. I can live with his batting dissappointments but not his bowling.

Zobair
June 10, 2005, 11:48 AM
Azim bhai...Masri has no fear of not being selected. His place is assured in the team. He is in the team as a strike bowler...and since he can bat a bit there are certain expectations of him...however, if he continues to play so irresponsibly he should be put lower down the order till he realises that he can do better. I think in this case the "cold shoulder" treatment may work.

As far as selection policy is concerned, I think the selection policy has been generally very consistent. For the last two years we have had the same core group of players representing Bangladesh. We have hardly taken a player in and then thrown out the next match.

Edited on, June 10, 2005, 4:49 PM GMT, by pompous.

Beamer
June 10, 2005, 11:49 AM
As long as he bowls well and gets better and better, he can be forgiven for a lack of batting form, which he is currently going through. He mentioned that he was afraid of the short stuff in test cricket and thus kept on moving away from the ball! leading to his demise. A few good hits in the one dayers will do it for him, I believe. Not that worried about his batting though it would be great to have his firepower back in the later overs in a one day match. I am more concerned about Rajin and Ash, the two top order guys. Rajin looks like has played himself out of the squad.

Dhurr
June 10, 2005, 11:49 AM
why are you so concerned about mashrafee's batting form? he was chosen primarily as a bowler. if he can do some serious damage with the bat, then that's a plus, but that's not something you should *expect* from your primary bowling weapon.

when our batsmen are irresponsible, and we lose three wickets for 19, when our first three batsmen fail to reach double figures, when ashraful and rajin are more consistent at failing with the bat than mashrafee, dont you think focusing on mashrafee's batting woes seems a lil strange?

oracle
June 10, 2005, 11:50 AM
If we are going to Sri Lanka in September then i would like to propose an extended study Visa and leave behind these following guys:

Masrafee- needs to stay at Owen Matau's household for a good 2 months. No worries BCB can afford the meagre but nutritous meals. Sparse accomodation and a lot of humility to go with it.

Ash- needs to stay at a spiritual new age camp or something.

Nafis - Owen MAtau but gets to sleep in the guest room

Enamul- stay at Murali's house and master sthe art of owning a pitch so that by the time the Aussies come then we will see him with a handful of tricks up his sleeves

Rajin- ditto all above.:D

DotBall
June 10, 2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by pompous
Azim bhai...Masri has no fear of not being selected. His place is assured in the team. He is in the team as a strike bowler...and since he can bat a bit there are certain expectations of him...however, if he continues to play so irresponsibly he should be put lower down the order till he realises that he can do better. I think in this case the "cold shoulder" treatment may work.

As far as selection policy is concerned, I think the selection policy has been generally very consistent. For the last two years we have had the same core group of players representing Bangladesh. We have hardly taken a player in and then thrown out the next match.

Edited on, June 10, 2005, 4:49 PM GMT, by pompous.

Exactly right.
In addition, we (fan) must remember that those guys in the selection team know better about each player and it is their primary job to select the best possible team for every current and next game. We need to trust their ability to do their job right.

DotBall
June 10, 2005, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
These days he is spending a lot of time with Ash.

:D :clap: :clap:

CTazim
June 10, 2005, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by pompous
Azim bhai...Masri has no fear of not being selected. His place is assured in the team. He is in the team as a strike bowler...and since he can bat a bit there are certain expectations of him...however, if he continues to play so irresponsibly he should be put lower down the order till he realises that he can do better. I think in this case the "cold shoulder" treatment may work.

As far as selection policy is concerned, I think the selection policy has been generally very consistent. For the last two years we have had the same core group of players representing Bangladesh. We have hardly taken a player in and then thrown out the next match.

Edited on, June 10, 2005, 4:49 PM GMT, by pompous.

Acknowledged, this is what happens when you do not do appropriate research (on my part)

Orpheus
June 10, 2005, 02:53 PM
How will putting him in 11 solve the problem?? It IS a problem - he might be our main strike bowler but he is also capable of scoring a half century. And we expect the best out of a player.

Fazal
June 10, 2005, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
These days he is spending a lot of time with Ash.

Aro Khande Nea Ghuro...

TheWatcher
June 10, 2005, 03:22 PM
Pathetic, we ran out of scapegoats so early that now we have to talk about Masri the batsman!!!

Bangla amar Maa
June 10, 2005, 03:32 PM
He is a bowler and taillander so why worrying too much for nothing .Think about our players not doing anything special at all.

Rob
June 10, 2005, 03:47 PM
I don't mean to pop your bubbles but Mashrafees a bunny.

He has a poor technique, his feet are in concrete and will be a constant failure against quality bowling, seam bowling especially.

He may have the odd slogging cameo like Harmison for instance but will always be a very average tailender.

I watched those highlights of Mashrafees batting and it was all against spin, most of it part time spin from Tendulkar and Sehwag. Big Deal? Who really cares?

Leave him to get on with his bowling, bat him at number 11. If he bowls well consistently you won't need his batting.

shaoun
June 10, 2005, 03:52 PM
hey rob. i have noticed that you keep on saying negative stuff about our cricket team. which is fine i mean you have right to your opinion eventhough most of them we disagree with. but what do you think are some posative things about our cricket? or you dont think we have any? do you think we deserve to play test cricket? be honest.

Rob
June 10, 2005, 04:07 PM
I have said plenty of positive things about your cricket, but there isn't a lot positive to say at the moment.

You deserve to play test cricket, you have lots of talented players, but your team lacks discipline and your batsman have poor techniques in most cases.

However, as you Bangladesh fans get excited over things like Mashrafe making a quick fire 30 odd against India, and your batsman making 50's, you should understand that I don't see things like that as too bigger deal.

mwrkhan
June 10, 2005, 04:22 PM
How's Lancashire doing Rob? Maybe you guys should ask Malcolm Glazer to buy the team as well.:)

Mahir
June 10, 2005, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
And perhaps his batting vs. the indians was just a fluke!...I am starting to believe that now! :duh:

you cannot comment like that if you really watched him play against India. His batting at that time was at its peak, and was, by no means, any fluke!

He's in a terrible slump with his batting, and why would we consider him as a specialist bowler only when he has the ability to bat as a hard-hitting lower order batsman ?

Mashrafe has the potential to be a bowler all-rounder of top quality. We dont have to stay content just to assume him as an indispensible specialist bowler. His cameos are natural and will come with time. Keeping in mind that improving the bowling technique is always the main and only priority in Mashrafe's case.

James90
June 10, 2005, 04:50 PM
okay everyone... Have you considered part of the problem may be the eratic inclusions/exclusions in the senior team? Maybe part of the problem is that the batsmen go to the crease with concerns that they may not be selected in the next game if they don't do well.

So that's why he backs away outside leg and just has a wild swing at anything that's straight?

feisal
June 10, 2005, 06:37 PM
Rob,

u have seen mashrafi's batting in a 'lost cause' match.. but immediately before that match, he was MOM for his batting, bowling and fielding.. batted very well... and played for 8/9 overs when we needed someone to stay and accelerate.. and he did just the doctor's order..

besides, scoring ducks do not capture the form.. 20/ 24 balls 4 or 5 is much more dangerous situation. This line of thinking is pretty recent. First came into play in 1992.. the batsman was jr waugh.. he was not in bad form but scored 4 CONSECUTIVE test ducks in srilanka..... couple of games into the first class: double century against the visiting windies and did not get dropped..

another example is more recent and may be some people can remember and relate, Ponting in 99-20 aussie season: three consecutive ducks.. and Ian Chappell said that difficult to know what form he is in as he is not playing enough balls.. next innings? 190 odds in WACA.. and the team was struggling..

by the time, one day series ends, u may have a second thought about this man's batting ability.

feisal
June 10, 2005, 06:42 PM
more on duck: bradman had 12, Gooch started with pair. attapattu had 5 or 6 to start with.. in those days he used to play in the dhaka league.. and even struggled there for some time...

and off course steve waugh scored a duck in the notttingham test of 89 after a score of 177 no, 155 no, 21 no, and 41 (was dismissed after scoring more than 350 runs.. and that was Angus Fraser's firt wicket..) ..so duck is NOT necessarily indicating the form.. in fact some ducks are because of good form.. coming from the over confidence..

" Allan Border scores a duck in his 100th test match..the famous BBC world service headline.. melbourne 88... courtesy one Curtly Ambrose.."

shaoun
June 10, 2005, 10:06 PM
masrafee is in the team as a bowler not as a batsman. i have seen him bat and true he does have poor techniques. but we need his bowling more then his batting. whatever we get out of him in batting should be a plus point. a he is only 22 years old, he has a long time to improve his batting. but bowling is what he needs to worry about. he is not an all arounder that is what we the fans need to remember. as far as what rob said, i agree that we get excited about our batsman scoring 50s. as a fan i get excited everytime our batsman perform above their average and no one in the team has an average of 50. we do have some talented players in both batting and bowling, and the good thing is that they are all in their late teens or early 20s. nafees and aftab will be in the team for a long time. they are both very good, specially nafees. aftab is more of odi player. yes i m saying that even after his 82 against england. but notice the way he played was odi style. but at the moment we do not have enough players to make different odi and test team so aftab is gonna play in test. he is young enough to become a test batsman as well. and nafees is a potential captain for our team. ashraful is gonna be another great player. i think he will be our best batsman within next few years. other batsmans like mushfikur rahim, shamsu rahman, shariar nafees it is still too early to coment on them. in our bowling department we have enamul. i think he will be even better then rafique very soon. i thought he should have stayed for the odi, because i do not think he is only good for test matches, he can perform in odi too. last u-19 world cup he was the highest wicket taker in that tournament. masrafee is already our main strike bowler. if he can stay out of injury i think he can be a very good bowler in the future. i also have high hopes for shahadat. he is very fast and with time i know he will improve his line and length. and i think he will be the opening bowler with masrafee. others like rajin, alok, tushar imran, taposh, rana these guys i dont think will stay very long. nazmul, syed rassel, shafik al jubair it is too early to coment on them. i am sure within next 3/4 years we will be a very competitive team and we will give competition to any team in the world.

Huda
June 11, 2005, 06:16 AM
Originally posted by rob22888
I have said plenty of positive things about your cricket, but there isn't a lot positive to say at the moment.

You deserve to play test cricket, you have lots of talented players, but your team lacks discipline and your batsman have poor techniques in most cases.

However, as you Bangladesh fans get excited over things like Mashrafe making a quick fire 30 odd against India, and your batsman making 50's, you should understand that I don't see things like that as too bigger deal.

very good point.

mash started hitting a few balls so what, why the heck are people analyisng his batting, he is a strike bowler.

jason gllespie or andy bichle are most good examples. Theyve scored a few fifties by sloggin thats all, liek mash can but when u come up against good bowlers, on bowlin pitches your nothin but a tail ender, lets start not CRITISCING A BOWLER over his batting that is just utter absurd