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babubangla
June 13, 2005, 03:16 PM
I'm Scared about the upcoming Natwest ODI Series.
I just watched the Twenty20 match between England and Australia. Saw some fine display of hitting.
This make me scared about the outcome of ODI series for Bangladesh. I know Twenty20 is not comparable to ODI batting tactics. But considering our clawless bolwing, I was thinking about the first 15 and last 10 overs of the match. It could be a massacre for Bangladesh bowling attack. I donít even want to talk about the battingóit seems like a horror movie!!!

We have nothing but hope!!
Thatís what I will have to count on for now.
But other than that Banglar Akashey Aj Durjoger Ghonoghota just like this:
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Edited on, June 13, 2005, 8:19 PM GMT, by babubangla.

nasimul
June 13, 2005, 03:20 PM
Kordomakto akash, meghashonno math......:-/

Sam
June 13, 2005, 03:32 PM
Donít get scared, babubangla.
We know our strength and our weakness. So, get prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
:cool:

Bat-PadTogether
June 13, 2005, 03:54 PM
Dont worry.Both England and the Aussie will simply bombard us with the thunderbolts.There will be no upset!

DotBall
June 13, 2005, 05:06 PM
We are the favorite to loose all games of NatWest Series and we are not even underdog; so don't expect us to win but rather expect us make ENG AUS work hard for their wins.

I will not read too much into 20-20 results. This is nothing but slogging and batsmen are will not play like this in 50 over match. If the try to do that then most likely their fate will not be different than AUS today.

babubangla
June 13, 2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by DotBall
I will not read too much into 20-20 results. This is nothing but slogging and batsmen are will not play like this in 50 over match. If the try to do that then most likely their fate will not be different than AUS today.

I bet people reacted in the same way about ODI when it was first started--it is noting but meritless hitting. But we gradually accepted the ODI. I am sure people will accept the 20-20 too. It will still be considered a slog game, but will not be thrown away like people does these days.

howzatt!
June 13, 2005, 07:36 PM
bhai shob,
je joto poren nofol namaj pora shuru koren.

LateCut
June 13, 2005, 09:07 PM
We won against India. Didn't we? I saw the video a couple of times. Finally I am beginning to believe it.

Perhaps there are lessons to be learned.

1) Contribution of runs from top as well as bottom order.

2) Tight bowling

3) Excellent fielding.

All of these actually happened or may have been conjured up by an experienced video technician. Even Basher caught an excellent catch. The two direct hits at the end was crucial. A confused batsman in the Indian side was another. I thought I saw a puff of white powder as the ball passed the batsman. I think we should work on this last thing. Devise ways to confuse the opposing batsmen and induce them to take ill advised runs when they seemed to have settled. I think that is the key to winning,

Rubu
June 13, 2005, 10:03 PM
I'm not thinking of winning. the india situation was different. They were more relaxed. but here, each side is determined to send a "message" to the other ahead of ashes and unfortunately we are the messenger boy. so, i would determine success in terms of a batting goal or a bowling goal. if one of them happens, I'm happy. bowling wise, keep them below 300. batting wise, bat for 50 overs. this is my realistic target.

u wanna hear about the unrealistic target? to win all 6 :lol:

....... ok, ok...... i'll see a psychiatric.

Sam
June 14, 2005, 05:11 AM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
I'm not thinking of winning. the india situation was different. They were more relaxed. but here, each side is determined to send a "message" to the other ahead of ashes and unfortunately we are the messenger boy. so, i would determine success in terms of a batting goal or a bowling goal. if one of them happens, I'm happy. bowling wise, keep them below 300. batting wise, bat for 50 overs. this is my realistic target.
Well said.
We just want to have a good fight within our potential. And I strongly believe that, if we could play to the best of our potential in all the departments, we could have send "message" also.
Try hard, Tigers:tiger:

mahbubH
June 14, 2005, 06:10 AM
>> I'm happy. bowling wise, keep them below 300. batting wise, bat for 50 overs. this is my realistic target.

mine too.

But battingwise scoreing 200+ ... am I dreaming?

GuruTM
June 14, 2005, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by howzatt!
bhai shob,
je joto poren nofol namaj pora shuru koren.

Ami porbo. tobuo jeno ora :duck: na mare.

Locutus
June 14, 2005, 07:45 AM
Solution for not getting scared: Turn you brain off during the BD match thinking that we lost very badly.

ReckmyBack
June 14, 2005, 07:53 AM
Why scared ? Just go and sleep . Results gonna be same caz we are having all bad days you know .

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 14, 2005, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by DotBall
We are the favorite to loose all games of NatWest Series and we are not even underdog; so don't expect us to win but rather expect us make ENG AUS work hard for their wins.

I will not read too much into 20-20 results. This is nothing but slogging and batsmen are will not play like this in 50 over match. If the try to do that then most likely their fate will not be different than AUS today.

very well said. expecting win against these two teams are not realistic. rather is is a better idea to expect bangladesh to make england and australia work hard for their win. but even this will be hard for us to do. we sure have the ability to do and we sure have the players to do this. but the thing is are our players going to be able to hold their nerves to do this kinds of thing.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 14, 2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
>> I'm happy. bowling wise, keep them below 300. batting wise, bat for 50 overs. this is my realistic target.

mine too.

But battingwise scoreing 200+ ... am I dreaming?

a very good expectation. as long as we can bat for full 50 overs i will be happy. but that too is going to be very hard but it is possible. if the way javed and ash or rana and bashar were playing then we surely can survive for full 50 overs and i dont think it will be a big problem for us to score more than 200 runs if we bat in this manner. for boling our bolers should concentrate just on line and length there is no reason for nazmul to compete with mashrafee on speed. and if chacha can get those couple of wickets as he always do that will be a good point even though he might get hit badly but at the end the wickets count. from rafique and rana i want them to restrict the run rate as much as possible. this way opponent batsman will get frustrated and our chance of getting the wicket will increase.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 14, 2005, 11:34 AM
one thing that was not a problem before seems to be a problem. i think our batsman should be more effective in running between the wicket. the way nafis got out in the first practice match was really disappointing and unacceptable. there is no reason for him to not respond to the other batsman. mind should be in the middle of the field not somewhere else. i know they are young. probably they are not matured enough. but they should all remember that even though they are young the selectors thought they are brave enough to represent the country. they should be proud to do that and that should be their only concern in the field.

yaseer
June 14, 2005, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Sam
Donít get scared, babubangla.
We know our strength and our weakness. So, get prepared for the worst and hope for the best.
:cool:

:up: Thats the way to go.........
But dont forget to always be with BANGLADESH.................


:fanflag::fanflag:

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 14, 2005, 11:39 AM
jaihok,
yaseer bhai apni kintu akdom thik kotha bolechen ebong shai shai shathe sam bhai. dhannabad.

yaseer
June 14, 2005, 11:41 AM
I want to see BD play bat 50 overs......i am sure they can score reasonable run if they can do so.........but the problem is can bd play 50 overs???? big question mark lies here..........

But nothig to worry guys........there is going to be embarasssing performances...........but i am sure bd will play well in at least 1 match......

Spitfire_x86
June 14, 2005, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by babubangla
I bet people reacted in the same way about ODI when it was first started--it is noting but meritless hitting. But we gradually accepted the ODI. I am sure people will accept the 20-20 too. It will still be considered a slog game, but will not be thrown away like people does these days.
ODI started to lose it's appeal within 30 years of it's introduction, while Test is only getting better.

20-20 will take much less time to become predictable and ordinary like ODI.

LateCut
June 14, 2005, 12:11 PM
I am dissapointed about such low expectations. I would forecast that BD will bat for 50 overs. However, I am not sure that we will be able to limit the opposition under 300 runs.

The recent Tsunami game tells me that spinners can have their day in "early summer wicket" in England. I am hoping that our spinners will do their share.

Ahmed_B
June 14, 2005, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by LateCut
I am dissapointed about such low expectations. I would forecast that BD will bat for 50 overs.
Well.. the problem is that the moment BD players enter the ground... the only thing that seems to be working in their mind is the will to score some very fast rans!

I hope they manage to get rid of this self destructive thoughts!! Except for Bashar & Aftab... every other batsman should follow the JO style of batting (watchfull and controlled against bloodrushing) if they wana survive for 50 overs.

Fazal
June 14, 2005, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
Except for Bashar & Aftab... every other batsman should follow the JO style of batting (watchfull and controlled against bloodrushing) if they wana survive for 50 overs.

Why this exception for Bashar and Aftab? Do they have less responsibility to save the team's face from complete disaster?

Or acknowledging their attacking style? In that case why not Ash, Rafique, Mashrafee and Nafees in the exception list ?

I raised the issue, because I don't like this exception stuff, specially when you consider Bashar, who is the team's captain and one of the most experienced player. We should expect him to play 4/5 slot like Enzy and steer the team based on the situation. For Aftab, he is young and aggressive but still very young and adaptable to good habits. Therefore we should encourage him to play causiously and then show his aggression as he is set and team is above water.

Edited on, June 14, 2005, 6:31 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Ahmed_B
June 14, 2005, 01:38 PM
The reasons are simple:

Bashar: He has a very own style of batting and that is bit attacking. I do have more faith on Bashar than any other in the team and he has shown to be responsible at times with better rate of succes than others. He is actually in his best shape when he plays natural.. plus he often adds the needed responsibility to his innings. I vote for his natural way of playing.

Aftab:..... welll, I don't think he can be calmed down so easily. He must cool down in long run... but for now it is provint to be fruitfull for the team to let him blast.

In short... these two seems to be more successful than others in playing the risky way. The others (including Ash) only fail 95% of the times when they go for blasting batting. In ODI.... 2 of the 11 batsmen could be risked who may be allowed to play shots at will.

babubangla
June 14, 2005, 01:45 PM
How about considering the ODI series as 25-30 over match and play all out attact. This way BD will lose all wickets in 25 to 30 overs but will have a better chance to score 200. If we play normal, we will get all out in 25-30 overs any way--but run will be just around 140.

Edited on, June 14, 2005, 6:54 PM GMT, by babubangla.

Fazal
June 14, 2005, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by babubangla
If we play normal, we will get all out in 25-30 overs any way--but run will be just around 140.

Did you meant 140 or 40 ? To do that we need to have a RR 5.6. Is it possible if we play normal? 40 is more reasonable with a rr 1.6. Becuase with our normal game we play ODI like test and vice versa for test.

Edited on, June 14, 2005, 6:56 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Spitfire_x86
June 14, 2005, 02:29 PM
It's a popular concept that "we play ODI like test and test like ODI". This concept has grown from looking at statistics, but in reality things are very different.

We don't play Test like ODI. In tests, boundaries generate more runs compared to singles/doubles. Like other teams, we also score more runs from boundaries in Test cricket, by taking advantage of aggressive bowling and fielding. But unlike other teams, we don't have the skill to build an sizeable innings due to poor technique and temperament of our batsmen.

In ODI things are different. It's possible to get away with not so good technique, and our batsmen are definately capable of batting through 50 overs. But shot placement of our batsmen is very poor. So our batsmen don't get reward for many good shots and the inablility to keep rotating strikes results in increased pressure on batsmen. Then the batsman either give away the wicket by playing some wild stroke or continues helping the opposition by just staying at the wicket without scoring runs.

Spitfire_x86
June 14, 2005, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
I raised the issue, because I don't like this exception stuff, specially when you consider Bashar, who is the team's captain and one of the most experienced player. We should expect him to play 4/5 slot like Enzy and steer the team based on the situation.
Bashar is not Inzy. He just doesn't have the ability to elevate his strike rate from 50% to 100% within space of 2-3 overs, if situation demands this kind of thing from him.

Fazal
June 14, 2005, 02:44 PM
Agreed.
However my point in the original message was, if we feel that we cannot expect Bashar and Aftab to adopt/curtail their natural aggression style (one with vast experience and one with minimum); how can we expect that Rafique, Mashrafe, Ash, or Even Nafis will suddenly start playing more sensibly with their current off-form (except for Rafique may be). Isn't it too much and unrealistic expectation also?


Edited on, June 14, 2005, 8:11 PM GMT, by Fazal.
Reason: typo!! Mashrafe not Mushfiq

Fazal
June 14, 2005, 02:58 PM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
In short... these two seems to be more successful than others in playing the risky way. The others (including Ash) only fail 95% of the times when they go for blasting batting. In ODI.... 2 of the 11 batsmen could be risked who may be allowed to play shots at will.

So you think that Bashar and Aftab will continue their natural style of batting and the rest of the 9 including Rafique, Masharfee , will start batting more sensibly? How about Ash? It was mentioned so many times in this message board that "Ash should play his natural game to get back his form. Too uch pressure is effecting his performnace." With his cuurent form, do you thing it will be wise to assign him with added burden to play like Gullu whereas our experienced Captain will be allowed to play his natutal carefree style? It may bring some runs for bashar, but what will be the effect on the team short term and long term?

Spitfire_x86
June 14, 2005, 03:07 PM
Ash is a big idiot, and he will never learn.

Nafees is totally clueless. He either goes for all out attack or digs his own grave by over cautiousness. He's still fresh, so we may expect him to get better.

Mushfiq Rahim is not in the team, and someone like Rafique can only succeed by playing his natural game.

However, if Aftab doesn't mature much and become a Chris Gayle instead of becoming another Ashraful, then I'll be very happy since we don't even have someone as good as Chris Gayle.

Fazal
June 14, 2005, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Mushfiq Rahim is not in the team, and someone like Rafique can only succeed by playing his natural game.

Ops. Sorry I meant Mashrafee not Mushfiq. I will correct my earlier message