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babubangla
June 14, 2005, 01:22 PM
We all were talking about how spin is ineffective in these early summer English condition. Based on this we were playing with pace dominated bowling attack. But we are now noticing a change—spinners are getting impressive success. Today at Lords, out of 17 wicket fall, 11 of them went to spinners. Also in our second practice match, we saw Manjarul Rana was successful in both wicket taking and run economy. Considering these evidences, we should play at least 2 spinners. Now I regret the decision of sending Enamul Jr. back to Bangladesh.



Edited on, June 14, 2005, 6:38 PM GMT, by babubangla.

amra_korbo_joy
June 14, 2005, 02:00 PM
Originally posted by babubangla
We all were talking about how spin is ineffective in these early summer English condition. Based on this we were playing with pace dominated bowling attack. But we are now noticing a change—spinners are getting impressive success. Today at Lords, out of 17 wicket fall, 11 of them went to spinners. Also in our second practice match, we saw Manjarul Rana was successful in both wicket taking and run economy. Considering these evidences, we should play at least 2 spinners. Now I regret the decision of sending Enamul Jr. back to Bangladesh.



Edited on, June 14, 2005, 6:38 PM GMT, by babubangla.

I 100% agree with you. Not playing Enamul in the test is the biggest mistake. In fact, Rana, Rafique and Enamul all should have been selected In the Test. As we do not have quality pacer except Mortoza. And English batsman are uncomfortable with spin bowling.

<b>The sad part is that selectors still do not see that.</b>
They may select Tushar Imran instead of Rana in the ODI. Rana can bat as good as Tushar. Rana does not get out cheaply. More over he is good spinner. Read today's daily star.

http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/15/d50615040130.htm









Edited on, June 14, 2005, 7:09 PM GMT, by amra_korbo_joy.

babubangla
June 14, 2005, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by amra_korbo_joy
They may select Tushar Imran instead of Rana in the ODI. Rana can bat as good as Tushar. Rana does not get out cheaply. More over he is good spinner. Read today's daily star.
http://www.thedailystar.net/2005/06/15/d50615040130.htm


I think Daily Star reported that Rana or Mahmud.. one of them will play. There is no competition between Tushar Imran and Rana. Tushar is almost guaranteed a spot in 1st ODI.

feisal
June 14, 2005, 02:30 PM
and, may I add that Tushar is a batsman.. (recently bowled some useful spin).. so it is not 'apple to apple' comparison..

ReckmyBack
June 14, 2005, 03:44 PM
It's a good idea looks like Enamul JR can get recall for Natwest Series according to your thread .

Rubu
June 14, 2005, 04:50 PM
tour. we need more spinners. forget about the condition. No one listened to me then, but gradually people are becoming more open to the idea. I say, we should definitely play Rana and Rafique together. If that means chacha or nazmul sits out, so it be. The fight should not, by any means, be between rana and chacha as indicated by daily star. the fight should be between chacha and nazmul and obviously nazmul stays ahead.

BangladeshFan
June 14, 2005, 05:14 PM
yes, shujon should not be in 1st 11 but, in reserve. if anyone doesnt perform which is likely, we can include shujon then. rana should be in 1st 11.

i was the one who always shouted for both enamul and rafiq in the tests. england has a history of failures against spinners, from warne, kumble, mushtaq, murali. true enamul is not of same class but not far behind either. when selecting the team , mangagement should think about opposition weakness as well not just conditions.

babubangla
June 14, 2005, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
tour. we need more spinners. forget about the condition. No one listened to me then, but gradually people are becoming more open to the idea. I say, we should definitely play Rana and Rafique together. If that means chacha or nazmul sits out, so it be. The fight should not, by any means, be between rana and chacha as indicated by daily star. the fight should be between chacha and nazmul and obviously nazmul stays ahead.

Both Mahmud and Rana considered allrounder.
So, Mahmud should not be compared with specialist pacer like Nazmul. The option before us is whether to go a for a pace-allrounder or for a spin-allrounder. So, comparison is surely between Rana and Mahmud. For the first ODI, I will go for Rana. We will have 5 more ODI to try Mahmud in atleast any 2 of them.

Zobair
June 14, 2005, 05:23 PM
My guess is Rana will play and not Mahmud. Two reasons:

1. Rana has had more recent success with the bat than Mahmud (who nowadays rarely makes a contribution with the bat).

2. Mahmud's role is made somewhat rendered redundant with the emergence of Aftab who seems to be well capable of bowling 10 odd ODI overs.

At the very least, the following line-up should be tried for at least one ODI, preferably the first:

JO
N Iqbal
A Ahmed
M Ash
H Bash
Tush Imran
Rana
Khaled Masud
Rafique
Nazmul
Mashrafe

The above line-up seems pretty balanced to me, both in batting and bowling department.

FaridpurChicago
June 14, 2005, 05:30 PM
Yes, we atleast saw how comfortable the England team is against Pace attack. The four world famous pace attack of Australia was treated like Club bowlers. Looking at this, I believe our Mash did exceptionally well, better that McGrath & Co atleast.
Spin is the only option we can put pressure on Eng and Aus. But still it's not a good idea of going through three spinners. I prefer 2 spinners (Rafiq & Rana).

r56hg
June 14, 2005, 05:46 PM
I think we may not see both Sujon and Rana at the same time. Team management will give them chance alternatively. I would like to see Rana in best eleven, but I am afraid may be Sujon will get chance first and if he failes then Rana will be in the team. :flag:

feisal
June 14, 2005, 06:01 PM
amra korbo joy,

at the moment " Enamul is not far behind warne, mushtaque, murali.." ...?

where do u put Rafique then?

problem is you can alsways argue what would have happened.. no way to prove anything.. but one thing was proven that Rafique failed big time.. and he was a spinner.. so, cant say that confidently that Emnamul would have been handy..

may be given his young age, selectors did not want him to loose his confidence......

on a side note, "Rana can bat as good as Tushar'" is another classic statement you made..... By all probability he cannot.. he may score more runs.. number 8,9 sometimes scores more than 2,3..that does not mean they can bat better... Rana played at 6 or 7 in a weak abahani .. he is a useful player, for sure, has many qualities.. but there are some boundary conditions that u are someho missing..

if it is between chacha and rana..i want Rana to play just because he is young, and probably have a positive influence in the team because of his fighting spirit..

my personal choice is a weird one, since we have 6 batsman plus mashud and rafique..i will rather take a full bowler.. and to me that is Tapash... but he is so much out of reckoning that there is no chance in hell for him..

one of the reason we could defend a 200 plus against an admittedly weaker indian batting: There was no weak link in the bowling.. and being a batsman short (played with 5 specialist batsman.. it was subcontinent track) helped and we had mashrafi, tapash and nazmul.. plus chacha..

reyme
June 14, 2005, 08:18 PM
I liked the team pompous created, althought I highly doubt Ashraful will do any good for this team.

amra_korbo_joy
June 14, 2005, 09:37 PM
feisal,
Enamul and Rafique both could play at the same time. They are different kinds of bowler, though left hander. In every Test we should select quality bowler against big team SA, ENG, Aus etc. regardless of pitch condition. We have only 3 test lavel bowler at present: Rafique, Enamul and Mortoza. My points is: these three bowler must be selected in every condition untill we can get more quality bowler for test. In future, If we have more good bowler in hand, then only we should consider pitch condition, weather, other stuff, etc.

I feel we need a bowling coach.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 14, 2005, 10:19 PM
jaihok,
abaro kintu ami bolbo ranake na newata hobe akta boro onnay. ebong oneke bolche tushar ar thaka nishchit. ebong paper eo mone hoi shai aki kotha bolche. jodio ami ar jouktikota akhono thik moton khuje pachhi na. hoito tushar asholai bhalo. dhannabad.

TheWatcher
June 14, 2005, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by pompous
Mahmud's role is made somewhat rendered redundant with the emergence of Aftab who seems to be well capable of bowling 10 odd ODI overs.
While he will give away 10-12 wides!!! Aftab is no way a professional bowler, he is obviously struggling to control the white duke ball. At this point, don't send him to face Ponting or Pieterson, he will be murdered. We need Sujon to keep it tight during middle overs.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 15, 2005, 12:12 AM
jaihok,
watcher bhai apni kintu thiki bolechen shujon ar shathe kintu aftab ar tulona korata akhon thik hobe na. ontoto akhono shujon ami bolbo aftab ar theke egiye royeche. dhannabad.

thebest
June 15, 2005, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by pompous
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While he will give away 10-12 wides!!! Aftab is no way a professional bowler, he is obviously struggling to control the white duke ball. At this point, don't send him to face Ponting or Pieterson, he will be murdered. We need Sujon to keep it tight during middle overs.

Ponting or Pieterson can murder anybody. so bowling by Sujon or Aftab does not matter. Instead we should use spinners. Ash may be a choice. he started as a spinner. Also Basher / tusher . Basher once got a marauding Lara. why not use it against Ponting or Pieterson. May be unknown factor can work.

feisal
June 15, 2005, 06:31 AM
amra korbo joy,

now u make much more sense.. i guess they did not expect munir and shahadat to do this bad in lords.. england was more aggressive to rpove a point to australia..so everyone suffered.. one or two early wickets could have helped..

Sam
June 15, 2005, 09:11 AM
Considering all our discussions, we can conclude that, if we find Rana in the squad ahead of Mahmud tomorrow that means team selection is perfect. Right guys!
Let's see. I am also in favour of drafting Rana ahead of Mahmud for the first ODI.

Tokai
June 15, 2005, 10:03 AM
Sam, it did not happen. if the news in other thread is true, stupid selectors once again did not took 2 spinners. seems like they did not see what happened to the pacers few days ago. morons.