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shongkhonil
June 15, 2005, 09:28 AM
Hello everyone,
I just finished watching the news on NTV and according to them the final 11 for tommorrows match has been selected. The team is as follows:

1)Javed Omar
2)Nafees Iqbal
3)Mohammed Ashraful
4)Tushar Imran
5)Habibul Bashar
6)Aftab Ahmed
7)Khaled Mashud
8)Khaled Mahmud
9)Mohammed Rafique
10)Mashrafee Mortaza
11)Nazmul

So Rajin, Taposh, Rana and Shahariar is out. Hopefully our team will put up a good fight tommorrow.

Thank you!

fwullah
June 15, 2005, 09:32 AM
I just hope we don't end up missing Rana in while batting.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 09:36 AM
I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.
Or I would consider taking out Rafique, yes i know i'm going to receive a barrage of backlash about this, but in this series he hasn't provided anything special.

cracky
June 15, 2005, 09:38 AM
We will miss him both in batting and bowling. How many times more Rana had to prove himself. Out of his last 3 ODI he became MOM 2 times. And in the league he pleyed very well. Then in the only practice match he played in UK, he batted and bowled very well. What more whatmore wants from him?

Mr-khan
June 15, 2005, 09:42 AM
Originally posted by chyicarus
I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.

Agree with u.:up:

PoorFan
June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
I have no problem at all with this team. Only one position could be arguable which is between Mahmud and Rana. But at the end what diffrence does it make when we have to face AUS and ENG in this ture?

Lets keep faith on selectors, I think they did their best. Rana could be bring in soon if Mahmud or Rafiq fail in 1st match. Good luck BD.

bourny3
June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
Yep Rana should be in the team

Beamer
June 15, 2005, 09:45 AM
Chiycarus
You've said something that will no doubt touch a lot of wrong nerves. I am talking about Rafiq. I was also very dissapointed with his bowling in the test match. Watching Batty spinning the ball on the second day of the test match made me wonder why rafiq couldn't do that. But this is an ODI. His stuff will work well as he has become a total defensive bowler. Batting wise also, considering where he will bat, at no. 7 or 8, there are every scope for him to get in some quick fire runs. So, he still is the no.1 spinner/ lower order batting option.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 09:50 AM
i don't think Whatmore has too much say in the selection process, especially when chief selector is there in England. Also the captain has a say in the selection process and although i'm not sure to what extent but the Board and their officials also influence the selection criteria somewhat(although i am not sure about this)!

Beamer
June 15, 2005, 09:51 AM
Consider Rana a bit unlucky. Given the choice between Rana and Chacha, I have no qualms in putting Rana ahead of Chacha. This is overall a balanced team though a bit thin on bowling options. However, six specialist batsmen are the order of the day, and good to see that the selectors also see it that way.

Right_Way
June 15, 2005, 09:56 AM
When the Australians or Flintoff will get going in the ODIs, Rana wont make much of difference. So, I guess its a good side. We got batsman upto 10th spot.

Tokai
June 15, 2005, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by fwullah
I just hope we don't end up missing Rana in while batting.

we will, for sure.

I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?


For the Batsman part of rana, I'd take out the following:

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Tushar Imran
3. Habibul Bashar

For the Bowler part of rana, I'd take out the following:

1. Khaled Mahmud
2. Mohammad Rafique
3. Nazmul Hossain

This list is by average and past record. Yes, out of that 11 people, only 5 of them are not replacable by rana.

I don't know what it will take to get this simple message through the thick head of faruk and whatmore that our pacers do not worth a poop, and our batsmen's talent does not worth a poop unless converted into performance.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 09:57 AM
I totally agree with you there Beamer. You hit the nail right on the head about his batting prowess and that he's in relatively good nick this series. But I also have to argue a couple of things- firstly Rafique is not a young stud, so we have to give players like Rana who has a good potential of carrying on playing Intl cricket 5 years down the line, I don't see Rafique in that same capacity. Also his batting is somewhat erratic and not as consistent as Rana's!
Thus I came to the conclusion, although I'm hesitant to play so many "allrounders" in the ODI team but it gives us the best opportunity with both the bat and the ball.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 10:02 AM
Tokai, I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say here, but saying that we should leave out our Captain is shocking! Tushar has batted with ease in his first match until that runout of his. Nazmul produced relatively good control and swung the ball, Rafique is our no.1 spinner(although I agree that he's not in the best of form as we're discussing) and Mahmud(although its a questionable call) is a good utility cricketer.
Its a big dilemma but lets see what happens after the first ODI, we have more to go and can pick the best side possible for at least 2 matches.

NoboBarta
June 15, 2005, 10:03 AM
Originally posted by Beamer
Chiycarus
You've said something that will no doubt touch a lot of wrong nerves. I am talking about Rafiq. I was also very dissapointed with his bowling in the test match. Watching Batty spinning the ball on the second day of the test match made me wonder why rafiq couldn't do that. But this is an ODI. His stuff will work well as he has become a total defensive bowler. Batting wise also, considering where he will bat, at no. 7 or 8, there are every scope for him to get in some quick fire runs. So, he still is the no.1 spinner/ lower order batting option.

I am wondering if Enamul Haq should have been given a chance at least in one of the practice matches.

Ahmed_B
June 15, 2005, 10:03 AM
Team looks OK. I hope Tushar proves usefull..coz we r getting so weak up the order.

And yes... the contest was between Rana & Sujon. I guess conditions place Sujon ahead or Rana. But I do think Rana will play atleast in some of the matches.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 10:07 AM
Well, I said that Enamul should've been used in the Test, especially in the 2nd Test. For ODI he's not included as he's not known to be a bowler who can defend runs as much as Rafique can. But yes, you've got a good point there.

Beamer
June 15, 2005, 10:15 AM
Chiycarus : Rana is young. So, he will have plenty of chances to replace once Rafiq hangs up his shoes. He will be the regular spinning/ batting option in the ODI's. To cement his position in the test team he will rank behind Enam and his fight will be with Razzak.

Tokai
June 15, 2005, 10:19 AM
All I'm trying to say is, we needed another spinner not a pacer. What the heck we gonna do with 4 pacers and only one spinners. even rajin is not there to make up few others. and if u have not guessed yet, all pacers gonna have their balls sent over the park (no pun intended). Rana should have been in because:

1. we needed another spinner. he should have been ahead of chacha even if chacha was a better bowler because we need another spinner. in reality rana is a better bowler than chacha.

2. rana has a better batting average (23.66) than bashar (19.37), pilot (20.04), Ashraful (16.86), JO (22.68), Nafis (20.14), Rafique (13.53) and Tushar (17.52). In other words only Aftab has better average than rana in this squad. So, stat says, we left out the 2nd best batsman of the team.

Locutus
June 15, 2005, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by chyicarus
I agree the BD will miss the services of Rana, but whom are you going to take out?
Given a choice- i would take out Nafees Iqbal, simply becoz i think he's terribly out of form/doesn't have the technique to open in seaming conditions.
Or I would consider taking out Rafique, yes i know i'm going to receive a barrage of backlash about this, but in this series he hasn't provided anything special.
Agree! It is very tough to replace any of the player that already have been name. They all play a certain role in the team.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 10:31 AM
Well cricket isn't played on statistics my friend.
First of all Beamer, you're absolutely right about what you said- except, we shouldn't play Rafique simply because he has a few years of cricket left in him, we should rather play the best possible squad and in-form players.
Rana is fighting for his place with Mahmud, Rafique etc, Enam is guaranteed to take Rafique's place, and he still needs to fight with Razzaq for his place in future, thats a lot of fighting my friend!
About 4 pacers, where do you see 4 pacers? Aftab and Mahmud are less than military medium, you don't call bowlers who bowls at 65 mph(at best 70mph) pacers! Two spinners should be taken based on the quality of the wicket, not just we have better spinners than pacers, you have to see whether the wicket is going to support the bowler or not!
Tushar's low average is due to 2 things: i) he's been in and out of the team consistently which is why he cannot get his foot in ii) he used to bat around the lower middle order and had very little time to spend in the wicket.

sunniath
June 15, 2005, 10:38 AM
Rana will eventually get to play. He is in good form, but the management is going with three pacer attack. At this part of the year in England, an extra pacer is an automatic choice. Plus chacha has always been considered the trump card for us in seaming condition. I am only talking about chacha because I don't see anyone else getting replaced with Rana. Some have mentioned Nafees. But the fact is that we can't go to play with one less batsman. We are not in a position where we can leave a batsman and play an extra bowler. The way that the batsmen are performing, the only thing we can do is throwing in as many batters as possible in the side, and hope that someone will click. I guess after a match or two,chacha will be rested and Rana will get a chance. Taposh will also get a chance if Nazmul gets hammered.

Edited on, June 15, 2005, 3:39 PM GMT, by sunniath.

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 10:38 AM
I hope we dont miss rana..................i am worried that if BD bowls first.....how they going to fill up the 10 over of 5th bowler.

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 10:41 AM
will aftab bat at 6? i think so as per practice matches........
but he should be at no.3..................if the team management have decided aftab not to bat at 3........then tushar should be at 3 for me...........ash @ 4 and sumon @ 5

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 10:46 AM
I think i remember Tushar Imran bowling military mediums when BD A team were touring UAE earlier this year. So i think 20 overs can be spread between Aftab, Tushar, Sujon and even Ashraful(with his little lollipops)!

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 10:56 AM
I think bd team management is showing faith to Aftab bowling 10 overs........otherwise they cant select this team......if they were thinking of trying Tushar........then he should have been tested in practice matches..........if aftab fails......then sure disastar......with ash's lolipop's ..... i cant even think..........

feisal
June 15, 2005, 10:59 AM
how does one possibly miss someone's batting when the person in question bats at number 6 or 7 even in the club side with not so strong batting line up ?

siure, Rana is unlucky to be left out but but he would not have batted in the top order....

if we find ourselves at 5/40 or 50, we will have those comments je" rana thakle ei hoto oi hoto... hoyto ashalei hoto..and that would have been loosing cause.. and then someone would make a point that he scored more runs than the top order... (likesomeone said that Chacha was the top scorer in the last match we played in england....)

having said this i am dissapointed t5oo, i prefer Rana to mahmud.. but can't see how in the world we will miss his batting..

it was a 50/50 decision.. chacha will be in pressure to perform.. and that is good.

mahbubH
June 15, 2005, 11:04 AM
So Chacha beat Rana! Tough one!

al Furqaan
June 15, 2005, 11:04 AM
rana will get his chance...sabr is the key...be patient rana and his fans.

i hope this isn't the batting order...i dont want ashraful at 3...thats aftabs spot. bashar should be 5, and ash at 4. that leaves tushar at 6

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by feisal
how does one possibly miss someone's batting when the person in question bats at number 6 or 7 even in the club side with not so strong batting line up ?

siure, Rana is unlucky to be left out but but he would not have batted in the top order....

if we find ourselves at 5/40 or 50, we will have those comments je" rana thakle ei hoto oi hoto... hoyto ashalei hoto..and that would have been loosing cause.. and then someone would make a point that he scored more runs than the top order... (likesomeone said that Chacha was the top scorer in the last match we played in england....)

having said this i am dissapointed t5oo, i prefer Rana to mahmud.. but can't see how in the world we will miss his batting..

it was a 50/50 decision.. chacha will be in pressure to perform.. and that is good.

I agree with your point feisal.........we will miss him as a bowler......should not miss as a batsmen with 6 top spesialist playing.

Right_Way
June 15, 2005, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by feisal
how does one possibly miss someone's batting when the person in question bats at number 6 or 7 even in the club side with not so strong batting line up ?

siure, Rana is unlucky to be left out but but he would not have batted in the top order....

if we find ourselves at 5/40 or 50, we will have those comments je" rana thakle ei hoto oi hoto... hoyto ashalei hoto..and that would have been loosing cause.. and then someone would make a point that he scored more runs than the top order... (likesomeone said that Chacha was the top scorer in the last match we played in england....)

having said this i am dissapointed t5oo, i prefer Rana to mahmud.. but can't see how in the world we will miss his batting..

it was a 50/50 decision.. chacha will be in pressure to perform.. and that is good.

You are right. There is no "one impact" player in bd who could turn the boat around and certainly he does not come in the shape of Rana. And I think Sujon is a surprise package and he could really surprise us. It could go either way.

feisal
June 15, 2005, 11:08 AM
there u go, Tokai..i did not read your post before..

u came up with the one that i just mentioned..coming up with the average.. which does not say how much of those runs were scored in a loosing cause or no cause at all...

Beamer
June 15, 2005, 11:10 AM
feisal..exactly my point. Rana fans have this silly notion that he is the magic man with the bat and can bat at top of the order. Though I like his grit with the bat, he is not a top 6 batsman material. As I have mentioned before that he must consider himslef unlucky, and a bit disspointing, to be ousted by Chacha.

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 11:16 AM
The team is quite OK.............only one difference with my team................i would have played Rana insetead of Tushar Imran.......
dont misunderstand me........not because i think he is better than tushar in batting........i am much more worried about 5th bowling spot......as Rana is also capable enough to contribute with bat.......so Rana in place of Tushar for me.......
Ekhon to ar esob bole labh nai.........team has decided......Hope and Pray these 11 rocks :fanflag:

Right_Way
June 15, 2005, 11:27 AM
Originally posted by yaseer
The team is quite OK.............only one difference with my team................i would have played Rana insetead of Tushar Imran.......
dont misunderstand me........not because i think he is better than tushar in batting........i am much more worried about 5th bowling spot......as Rana is also capable enough to contribute with bat.......so Rana in place of Tushar for me.......
Ekhon to ar esob bole labh nai.........team has decided......Hope and Pray these 11 rocks :fanflag:

Yaseer! Man! we gonna stink in bowling no matter what. I just hope Mash or Sujon is lucky enough to stay in for 4-5 overs in a row. I mean hope they dont get hit so badly that it looks ridiculuous.

bd_cricket
June 15, 2005, 11:32 AM
Rana was the Man of the Series against Zim. Wasn't he? It doesn't sound right to leave someone out who was the best performer in the last series.
I think he will be included in ODI2 and on.

Ishtylish cricketer
June 15, 2005, 11:33 AM
Rana should have been included.

Fazal
June 15, 2005, 12:14 PM
I was hoping for Rana's inclusion, but expecting this team though (from the selector). So no surprise for me, just little disapointment.

Hopefully Rana will get his chance in next ODI.

In the mean lets forget our little disappointment and rally behind the team. :fire::fire:

If every thing goes right, we may get a respectable result.

1. Gullu: show your usual grit and continue to score 40+ runs.

2. Nafis: Show us some old flashes.

3. Aftab: Please first settle down. Then the sky will be the limit.

4. Ash: Its time to show your merit. Just calm down play your natural game. You can do it.

5. Bashar: I liked your play in the last warm-up match. You are the leader of this team. Play like a leader and lead by example.

6. Tushar: Show the world, what you are capable of. Show them that your slection is well deserved.

7. Pilot: You are the Pilot of this team. As usual show your merit in time of crisis

8. ChaCha: ChaCha moder Poran bacha. This will be your last opportunity to shut down all chacha bashers and retire like a hero.

9. Rafique: You are one of our trump card. We need quick runs and contained bowling from you. Team depends on you to break critical partnership in critical time. Don't disappoint us.

10. Mashrafee: We need very good first spell bowling from you. Couple of quick wickets can change the whole game. In terms of batting, I hope you get your form back. Show the world you are not a sissy and can handle the FBs handily

11. Nazmul: Good Line and Length and controlled swing will do magic for you. Just contain the runs. Wicket will come in bunches.

:fanflag:



Edited on, June 15, 2005, 5:20 PM GMT, by Fazal.

sham1980
June 15, 2005, 12:21 PM
Nafees needs to prove him self tomorro, cos he is running out of chances. If Iqbal fails, and Rajin aint exactly on song and neither is Nafees Shahriar I say play Rafique or Rana as opener ? I think we will miss Rana's bowling he is more of a wicket taker than Rafique.

reyme
June 15, 2005, 12:24 PM
After a total disaster in the 1st ODI, selectors will include Rana against Aussies. Rana will then put all them to shame by showing again that he is more reliable than our most talented batsmen and can outperform most of the bowlers.

At the end of the series Rana's batting and bowling avg both will be among top 3. I am willing to bet any amount.

Sam
June 15, 2005, 12:25 PM
We are going to miss Rana too much both in bowling and batting. Rana was very economical bowler during last practice match where Mahmud was not. Rana with Rafiq could have a wonderful combination against English batting. I think we shall come to that combination but after having some dreadful treatment from England team.

reyme
June 15, 2005, 12:31 PM
This is ridiculous that some people get kicked out of the team for the most important reason of all: performance! It like no matter how bad Kapali, Rajin, Ashraful does, there is a place reserved for them, always. Rana won 2 MOM in the last 2 ODI, and after so many great performances in the practice, national league mathces he still does not get a slot.

Rana should have inclued ahead of Nafees, Mahmud, Ashraful etc. I know some people to start shouting at me, but Ashraful will be nothing more than an April Fool at the end of the day.

reyme
June 15, 2005, 12:33 PM
I have given up on Whatmore or whoever selected this team. Rana will be missed and he will prove it soon enough.

LateCut
June 15, 2005, 12:33 PM
At this stage simple fact of the matter is that Rafique is not producing. We should be looking for a different spin option. The only one that is remaining (after sending home Junior) is Rana. We should have him on the team. This bunch of selectors simply does not have the guts to take the right decision. Dropping Rafique would have been controversial. But that is what the situation calls for.

babubangla
June 15, 2005, 12:52 PM
I like Chacha a lot.
But I think it would have been better for us to include Rana in first XI for the 1st ODI. We have 5 more ODI to try Chacha later. But i guess it will happen in the reverse way. Chacha will get the chance first and then it will be Rana's turn. But if somehow Chacha manages to get 3 wickets...it will be a great selection dilemma between Rana and Chacha. But anyhow, Rana deserves his chance and it must be at the cost of Chacha. Again, I think we should have selected Rana for the 1st ODI considering the success of the spinners in the recent matches in England

Tokai
June 15, 2005, 01:10 PM
I'm loosing faith in the selection team based on the rana issue. how much proof u need to see that he is the most consistant performance and a key player? instead, they will go for the "talented" lost causes and will never learn. i'm surprised to see they did not learn a single thing from the test series and again going with 4 pacers in the squad (mashrafe, nazmul, sujon, aftab). leaving out the only allrounder who could possibly make a difference. nothing will ever go thru the thick head of the selectors group. I'm feeling like getting a "parek" and make some whole's in their head so the ideas get a way to get in their head. i think if it was not for the fans and media, the selectors would have ended up with the following team:

1. Hannan Sarkar
2. Shahrier Hossain
3. Alok Kapali
4. Tushar Imran
5. Ehsanul Haque
6. Selim (wk)
7. Mushfiqur Rahman
8. Shahadat Hossain
9. Khaled Mahmud
10. Anwar Hossain Munir
11. Hasibul Hossain

m35helal
June 15, 2005, 01:15 PM
What the heck...the result will be more or less the same....as it happened in the tests....guys (banglacricket fans), you are the best..

babubangla
June 15, 2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by Tokai
I think if it was not for the fans and media, the selectors would have ended up with the following team:

1. Hannan Sarkar
2. Shahrier Hossain
3. Alok Kapali
4. Tushar Imran
5. Ehsanul Haque
6. Selim (wk)
7. Mushfiqur Rahman
8. Shahadat Hossain
9. Khaled Mahmud
10. Anwar Hossain Munir
11. Hasibul Hossain

Hey...for some reason if we face any player-board crisis like Zimbabwe and National Team players go on strike---this team might be the solution for us. I think even with these 11 player, we might do better than Zimbabwe did.

chyicarus
June 15, 2005, 01:20 PM
First of all, I will have to disagree with excluding Tushar from the squad, he scored a brisk 40 odd runs in the 1st one day warm-up match. (Even hit 2 sixes)!
Secondly, as I mentioned earlier, i don't call Sujon and Aftab "pacers"- they are like Chrish Harris and Salim Malik- not knowing what they're going to bowl (Jodi Laigga Jaay system)
But lets see what this team produces becoz no team is annouced so early before a game starts! Anything can happen between now and game day!

Tokai
June 15, 2005, 01:25 PM
if sujon and aftab are not pacers what are they? aftab the best batsman of the team at this moment. so, his bowling is a plus. how about chacha. he forgot how to hold the bat. and if he does not bowl, what the heck is he doing in england?

BanglaCool
June 15, 2005, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by yaseer
will aftab bat at 6? i think so as per practice matches........
but he should be at no.3..................if the team management have decided aftab not to bat at 3........then tushar should be at 3 for me...........ash @ 4 and sumon @ 5
Right on!

al
June 15, 2005, 01:29 PM
let's hope for good show. go and be a tiger

GuruTM
June 15, 2005, 01:32 PM
I dont think rana is quite as good as many of you guys are thinking. Cricket is not statistics alone.

This is only my opinion.

ReckmyBack
June 15, 2005, 01:35 PM
Moahmmad Rafique needs to do better otherwise we have so many options now .

RazabQ
June 15, 2005, 01:37 PM
Let me echo my support for dropping Rafique in favor of Rana. Rafique has done zilch lately, and didn't do much against Zim in the ODs either. Dropping him will be a reminder that no spot is guaranteed. Also it's a like for like replacement on the bowling end. As for the batting end, both are likely to hit or miss. But in Rana's case, he'll prolly occupy the crease longer. Given the need for us to last 50 overs, and the probable need for a readguard actino at somepoing, Rana is the better bet here. And while Rana's technique sux, he does manage to survive against seamers - he played previously in Eng, and he did ok against the Indian seams on the Duleep greentops while others struggled. He can also slog occasionally - remember his last over hits in the last ODI against Zim?

yaseer
June 15, 2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by razabq
Let me echo my support for dropping Rafique in favor of Rana. Rafique has done zilch lately, and didn't do much against Zim in the ODs either. Dropping him will be a reminder that no spot is guaranteed.

you must be joking......forget the last match against Zim?
i know Rana should have got chance in 1st ODI.......but these words are overrating Rana.......

Mahmood
June 15, 2005, 02:16 PM
Nafis should have sit while Rana should have played.

However, there are 5 more ODI, so hopefully they will wake up soon.

TheWatcher
June 15, 2005, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by Rajputro

However, there are 5 more ODI, so hopefully they will wake up soon.
I guess that will be the pattern of Rana's career as we have seen the same thing in Zimbabwe series.

ReckmyBack
June 15, 2005, 02:26 PM
Originally posted by yaseer
you must be joking......forget the last match against Zim?
i know Rana should have got chance in 1st ODI.......but these words are overrating Rana.......

It wasn't much to chase anyway . When the score is less than 200 any team has a chance but chasing has a big chance to win . That's what it happenned and Rafique is a good player but he is not performing in last few matches not even in tests getting a single wicket in 2 tests is not a good result from one of our top bowler and again he wasn't good enough with the bat as well in the tests.

Beamer
June 15, 2005, 03:03 PM
Anyone knows whats the weather will be like tomorrow in London? I heard it was raining yesterday.

Spitfire_x86
June 15, 2005, 03:44 PM
Originally posted by TeamManager
I dont think rana is quite as good as many of you guys are thinking. Cricket is not statistics alone.

This is only my opinion.
:bravo::bravo: :up::up:

feisal
June 15, 2005, 03:45 PM
TeamManager,

a small point, but there is no doubt about that..

AsifTheManRahman
June 15, 2005, 03:53 PM
tushar imran instead of rana? why o whyyyy? what has imran done? ever?

ah well...hope he puts up a good show...if not then my clinched fist will be ready for the team management :P

feisal
June 15, 2005, 04:17 PM
asif the man,

most people will argue that it was between rana and chacha.. (two same kind of players)

tushar imran went in the side as one of the batman as we are playing with 6 batsman... the way all others team have been playing most of the times...

so a batsman was preferred instead of a utility allrounder.. may be i am misunderstading you and you want to have rana as a batsman... he batted at 6/7 in not so strong abahani batting line up..that i can tell you though....

i am not surprised though as you had earlier advocated for 5 batsman scenario in test matches well before the tour started (something that no touring team has done since 1983 as I can recall every series since then) and this is only one day....

pakistan line up of 87, for example: imran at 6, ejaj at 7,

u may find it weird, but a team like Australia plays a batsman even in number 7... (let alone number 6..)

are u serious about the question of what tushar imran has done as aone day batsman ? ever?

well, once I ran down steve waugh's entire test career to prove how many times he batted as number 4 (as the debate came in about his batting position).. i can do that for tushar imran (that is relatively easy for me, once i wanted to do it for Goala as well, then gave up realizing that it is more of a age factor, less of a ignorance factor..))... let me use one game, something which will not be in statistics..

against australia, in srilanka (mini world cup), we were in danger of getting ouit within 30/40.. Tushar Imran came in and assured us that some runs can be scored.. Alik kapali eventually top scored with 41.. but it was Tushar who showed us the way.. what he did could not be captured in a score card...

.anyway, personally, i would have prefered rana instead of Chacha, but would have thought much about his batting...

obernell
June 15, 2005, 04:26 PM
hey guys, whats the link for free video?
thanks

Mr-khan
June 15, 2005, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by obernell
hey guys, whats the link for free video?
thanks
www.bangladeshlive.net a live broadcasting a klik korben match start hole..thats all.

Mahir
June 15, 2005, 05:12 PM
the team is selected as predicted by many of us... no real surprises, except a concern in the batting order : Aftab slotted for number 6 ? i personally thought he played some good innings at no.3... anyways, rana could have been included in place of shujon, but it really is a toss-up between the two. Cant take nafees iqbal out since he's not in form...have to keep him in there to learn!

shaheen
June 15, 2005, 09:06 PM
One good thing is that we have 10 batsman(!) in this team and except Nazmul all of our players have some batting skills. Hope we can make at least 200+ runs (on average 20+ runs for each players).
The worse thing is that except 3 genuine bowlers (Raf/Mashri/ Nazmul) we have to rely on others parttime bowlers like (Aftab/Chacha/Ash). In most games it is always observed that at least one or two specialist batsman always get beaten. I am worried how our bowling department will do.
Another thing the main reason behind opting batting Team from the management is just to make a moderate score to justify our Test status or so.

Anyway wish Bangladesh will give their full efforts and will keep their nerve as we have nothing to loose after such a performances in the Tests.

GOOD LUCK!

Faceoff
June 15, 2005, 09:19 PM
I hope chacha can produce little bit.

If he can score 25 runs and bowl 10 overs for 40 runs that would make me very happy.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 15, 2005, 10:00 PM
jaihok,
team shommondhe kintu ami montobbo korte chai na. karon amar bisshash team selectorra desher bhalo chinta korai jeta shob cheye bhalo mone hoyeche shetai tara nirbachon korechen. hoito sheta amar mon gora hoi nee. tobe shai bishoye amar motobbo kora thik hobe na karon tara kintu amar theke cricket shommondhe onek bhalo buzhen ebong bhalo janen ebong tara amader shobar theke khelowarder onek kach theke dekhechen.
jaihok,
jai doli thak shesh porjonto asha korbo jara khelbe tara jeno tader shaddhomoto khele jai shesh porjonto ebong khelar sheshe jeno amra akhon jerokom uttejono ebong utfullo hoye achi khelar poro jeno shaibhabe thakte pari. joy kintu obosshoi asha korbo tobe realistically ami asha korbo jeno tara jeno ontoto akti bhalo lorai korte pare. ontoto upostit bangladeshi dorshokra jeno khela sheshe math theke buk fuliye ber hote pare. dhannabad.

Samir
June 15, 2005, 10:00 PM
Asharaful should have left out for first two games...the way he played against zim & eng (test), he needs a wake up call...
anyway..........goodluck to the tigers.....

sasharif
June 15, 2005, 10:22 PM
I think we are aurguing about the right thing (Rana to be included) but with the wrong focus (replacing Rafique/ Mahmud). The few matches we won against the big guns (or even had a close fight) so far were relatively low scoring. It tells us that if we are going to have an upset win soon, it will be through our bowling attack, not through our fragile batting. In our worst day we will be out for 80 and in our best day we can score 225. This is regardless who are the batsmen in the team. Yes, Tushar can score 40 in his best day, so can Rana (even on his avarage day). But Rana can give us a bowling edge, Tushar can't at this stage. Rafique should get his place due to his experience and track record and his big heart. Mahmud has been playing good. Why should we keep him out? I am not a fan of Mahmud (I don't think he has got many fans), but it is best for the team for the moment to try him out. Sho should have 3 front line pacer (Aftab being the part-time 4th, other wise it will be too much pressure on his batting - if we happen to bat 2nd), and 2 regula spinners (we can't rely on Ashraful to spin against Vaughan, Triscothic, Ponting, Hayden, Gilchrist etc). So, the equation tells me that Rana should replace Tushar for the regular squad.

Yes, Tushar shoud get a cahnce. If Nafis or Ashraful fails with their bat.

On another note it is better if the pitch is bowling friendly. In such a pitch, we can dream of restricting the opponents to a reasonable total. Our batsmen oare very consistant in scoring the same pattern in ODIs irrespective of the pitch.

Unplayable pitch is our best bet to have an upset win (or at least salvage some pride through a ?close contest, e.g. Endland 212 /50 overs and we are 139/8)

SS
June 15, 2005, 10:28 PM
I think doesn't matter who will get chance score will be the same ..max 30 runs plus or minus...with our batting strength 200+ is kinda impossible in Natwest. And bowling wise...Rafique is not doing the same way as he was before...and if chacha and aftab bowls they will give 40 runs in 4 overs takinga wicket or two!!!!
our pathetic display and embarashment will continue

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 15, 2005, 10:31 PM
jaihok,
asha korbo khub akta kharap kichu hobe na. asha korbo jeno ontoto 200 run jeno amra korte pari. kintu jani sheta besh akta kothin kaj. prothome jodi amra bat kori tahole kintu shetar shombhabona aro kom bole ami mone kori. dhannabad.

reyme
June 15, 2005, 11:20 PM
Including Rana will not win the match. But have we really forgotten what happened in recent past in England or lost sight what is coming ahead? A lot of embarrassment and a strong opposition from the rest of the cricket world to terminate the test status and maybe even ODI status!

Guys it is not about win or loss at this point. A huge defeat is more than guranteed, and half of us will leave in the midddle of the game. It is time to wake up. The best thing we can do is try to bat through our 50 overs and restrict opposition within 250.

So the question is how Rana is helping the cause if the team is losing anyways? The answer is player like Rana's economical bowling will frustrate some batsmen, inspire other bowlers, prompting some wickets here and there. His strong determination of staying in the middle might just lengthen the inning. All this will just reduce the defeat margin. But isn's that should be our real goal anyways? What the heck are you going to do with Nafees, Ashraful, Tushar who are most likely to go, play some immatuare wild shots irrespective of the situation, get out and create more pressure on the bowlers. What is the use with these talents? Haven't we seen enough? Someone just pull up the stats for the last 10 ODI's of these bunch, put a hole in our head using a perek to put this information through. Sadly the selectors still will not learn, thay are like Ashraful, thay have no clue how to fix this basic problem of this team. What is the solution? Learn from the very recent past, like the win from the last practice match. Play 2 spinners, restrict the oppsition with runs, and then try to bat out the 50 overs quota, ie, try best to save face as much as possible. We should have some shame after all this fuss!

Unfortunaty our schoolboys selectors will learn along with fans, AFTER the match is over. So they will change 3 players in the next match and will continue to do so, until they realize their mistakes. What happened next? They will forget everything again in the next series, and who knows, include Alok Kapali again and probably will give him the captaincy altogether! And start the merry go round again. With tis management around this team is going nowhere.

jabbar
June 15, 2005, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by cracky
...
What more whatmore wants from him?

Ha ha! "What more whatmore".... :D

sasharif
June 15, 2005, 11:51 PM
Agree with Reyme 100%. We don't need useless talent. We need useful mediocerss

shaoun
June 16, 2005, 12:09 AM
well i thought rana would play and tushar would sitout. but tushar imran has been performing well in past few months, this is his time to shine. i like this team. aftab can be the fifth bowler and you also have players like tushar imran ashraful in the team who can bowl couple of overs. if our batting does well i think we can put on a fight. and this looks like a good batting team. all those idoits who are saying that we shouldnt be playing with australia and england i think our boys should rise up and shut their mouth. critisium is ok but this critisium from former players and england media is just ridiculas. i mean we are the youngest test playing nation who just won our first test, these guys should give us a break. i said before and saying it again over past 5 years our team has improved alot. our performance level is going up unlike many other teams. our players are ambassadar to our country and its time these guys earns some respect from these so call cricket experts.

RazabQ
June 16, 2005, 12:41 AM
Originally posted by yaseer
Originally posted by razabq
Let me echo my support for dropping Rafique in favor of Rana. Rafique has done zilch lately, and didn't do much against Zim in the ODs either. Dropping him will be a reminder that no spot is guaranteed.

you must be joking......forget the last match against Zim?
i know Rana should have got chance in 1st ODI.......but these words are overrating Rana.......

I was speaking about the bowling part :) Rafiq's batting is jhorey bog with more jhor, and Rana's batting is jhorey bog with more boga. :)

kashful
June 16, 2005, 02:04 AM
I think Rana would do better incase of Imran becoz Rana can bowl aswell. I Hope the team have been selected, do well today.. We just want a good game from them.
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