PDA

View Full Version : Nazmul is not good enough...never will be


Arnab
June 16, 2005, 10:58 AM
Now that I have seen his bowling...he is not a genuine pacer. He doesn't have the physique nor the strength nor the flair to ever become a threat to any good batsman in international cricket. Whether he is 17 years old or 28.

These bowlers shouldn't even be considered for the inernational team. They should play in the domestic leagues to entertain the local crowd.

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 11:05 AM
Be easy on him Webmaster, everyone is getting smacked in this match.

Nazmul played too few matches to be judged how good he is, also too young to be called a looser. But, obviously he needs to build up some muscle.

Anyway, you don't need to be express to bother Test class batsmen, as McGrath has shown for years.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 4:08 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.

roaring tigerz
June 16, 2005, 11:12 AM
mr know-it-all....if nazmul's not good enough in your esteemed opinion who is? nazmul has consistently performed in the ODIs for bangladesh. he has a long way to go but he definately has potential...if not as a test bowler then at least in the ODIs!

chinaman
June 16, 2005, 11:14 AM
Thanks god, you were not in the stadium, else you'd go on to say about others too :)

They should stop your feed by now or repeat a previous winning match for your eyes only :)

Flipper
June 16, 2005, 11:19 AM
:wow: So Nazmul is no good for a team like BD after one ODI in England. This may be because of

Great Performances by:

Shahadat Hossain Rajib
Talha Jubair
Anwar Hossain Monir
Khaled Mahmud

And an Improved Performance by:

Rafique and
Tapash

So far! :)

Arnab
June 16, 2005, 11:29 AM
I am comparing Nazmul's abilities against the world standard, not his team mates. And he is nowhere near it.

There have to be better bowlers in BD than this. You do not build fast bowlers. You pick bowlers with already good genes and then fix the kinks. Nazmul just doesn't have the genes.

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Arnab
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this.
Who? Hasibul Hossain Shanto? Alamgir Kabir? Mohammad Shahzada?

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 11:33 AM
Nazmul should not open the bowling. He is at his best when he bowls at no. 3. Masree and Taposh should open the bowling.

roaring tigerz
June 16, 2005, 11:38 AM
lol...absurd point. if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud. the simple fact of the matter is nazmul is among the 3 best ODI bowler in the country right now. agreed that nazmul is not an express bowler, neither does he have the build or the height of a fast bowler. but he does bowl tightly and has the ability to swing the ball.this is a belter of a pitch and judging nazmul by this one performance is exptremely unfair on the young lad. stop baying for blood of players after every game!

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 4:39 PM GMT, by roaring tigerz.

bngali1on1
June 16, 2005, 11:45 AM
Tigerz....do you really think anyone performed well in the field at all today to earn any praise? :great: :sorry:

al Furqaan
June 16, 2005, 11:49 AM
nazmul had one bad game...i suspect that our bowlers will be getting smacked all around the country for the next 5 matches.

this series is proving that under these conditions we are thoroughly outclassed by even newbie bowlers. nothing to be ashamed about , really. at present we can't compete here.

in the subcontinent, i think we have the ability to compete against most test nations.

and something should be done about ash...he IS the most talented batsmen we have, and among the most talented in the world. but he repeatedly gets out to out-swingers which he tries to defend. no stupidity, just inability.

we need to correct the problem ASAP, otherwise he might as well be called mohammad trashraful.

btw, aftab is 100% USDA pure class.

Bat-PadTogether
June 16, 2005, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by bngali1on1
Tigerz....do you really think anyone performed well in the field at all today to earn any praise? :great: :sorry:
Nobody!:down::down::down::down::down::down::down:: down::down::down::down::down::down::down::down::E: E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E

Arnab
June 16, 2005, 11:50 AM
if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud.

I would add Aftab to that. So, three world class players. Actually, two and a half. Masud's half world class.

Although my comment is coming off the heels of a lost match, but then again, ALL my comments would have come off a lost match in this series anyway. So, my observation has nothing to do with this partiicular loss.

My point is if this is what we have to offer for a fast bowler at the world stage, we will keep losing. It seems that we have a large population, but either a dearth of people with good genes or some incompetent selectors who can't pick up players with good genes.

Mashrafe has good genes. He is a rough diamond that can be shaped to shine.

yaseer
June 16, 2005, 11:52 AM
Nazmul is better than what we have got right now.......so he is playing..........but i agree he is not international level........but in ODIs........he is the best 3/4 bowlers that we have now.

Bat-PadTogether
June 16, 2005, 11:52 AM
Today our bowlers were worse than any clunb level bowlers!!

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 11:53 AM
I said many times BD needs a bowling coach who can help pacers to adapt to English conditions. None of our pacers are bowling at their best.

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Arnab
if you wanted to pick players according to world standand we would come to the field with 2 players....masri and mashud.
I would add Aftab to that. So, three world class players. Actually, two and a half. Masud's half world class
you can add Rafique and Bashar in the "half world class" list.

Sham
June 16, 2005, 12:02 PM
I agree with Arnab. I have always said, Nazmul does not have the height or pace to trouble top class batsman, and on a good wicket like the one they played on today, he will get hammered no matter what he does.

Someone mentioned McGrath in connection with not needing pace to trouble world class players. Kar shathey kar tulona!! McGrath bowls at about 82-83 as opposed to Nazmul's 74-75 and has a one foot height advantage, which McGrath uses to full advantage. Nazmul is short and doesn't have a high arm action either. He has a bit of natural in-swing, out-swing to the left-handers, but at his pace, it won't get people out. So, the best he can hope for is to get the ball in exactly the right area. Everytime he errs just a little bit, he will get smacked.

Today, he erred way too much. I think he will improve from that, but generally, he is a nothing bowler and I really can't see him ever proving to be anything more than mediocre.

I don't want to hear people retorting by saying crap like, but who is better? This is not a comparison, its a comment on Nazmul. If we had anyone better, he would never have been anywhere near England in the first place.

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 12:09 PM
Absolutely, Nazmul is no match for the conditions here although he did look good in WI.

For all those who has been asking "Who's better?", I have two words for you: Tapash Baisya. :) The gap b/w BD pacers after Masri and Tapash is a lot!

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 12:11 PM
So scapegoat of today's match is Nazmul!!!

Who is next???

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 12:12 PM
And yeah I agree with TheWatcher that we really do need a bowling coach for the english condition. We should have hired one specialist batting and bowling coach (temporary) for the english condition before the Test matches got underway.

NoboBarta
June 16, 2005, 12:13 PM
Originally posted by Arnab
I am comparing Nazmul's abilities against the world standard, not his team mates. And he is nowhere near it.

There have to be better bowlers in BD than this. You do not build fast bowlers. You pick bowlers with already good genes and then fix the kinks. Nazmul just doesn't have the genes.

I have a question - How tall are these bowlers? None of the websites I visited gives about a player's physical attributes. Any idea?

Sham
June 16, 2005, 12:17 PM
Nazmul is not a scapegoat at all. After scoring just 190, the only question wass how long England will take to get the runs, so there is not question of a scapegoat! But you have to call a player what he is. Nazmul is what he is. Its not his fault that God didn't give him the height or the pace to play at this level. I agree with Ehsan, we should just stick to Mashrafe and Tapash no matter what form of cricket we play, where we play and who we play against. They are the best two we have.

fwullah
June 16, 2005, 12:21 PM
Not going into the argument of 'who is better' - I'm feeling absolutely disappointed in Mashrafee.

Mr-khan
June 16, 2005, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by NoboBarta
I have a question - How tall are these bowlers? None of the websites I visited gives about a player's physical attributes. Any idea?
Nazmul is 5"7/5"8

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 12:28 PM
How tall is Taposh? He is not that express, is he?

say
June 16, 2005, 12:35 PM
This is all Sumon's fault. He didn't change Nazmul when he was being hit. Whereas ChaCha was taken off after his first over . :o

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
How tall is Taposh? He is not that express, is he?

He bowled faster than Masri in the India series, that's when I last saw him bowling.

His height would be around 5'9-5'10 - guessing.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 5:35 PM GMT, by ehsan.

Huda
June 16, 2005, 12:47 PM
Originally posted by Arnab
I am comparing Nazmul's abilities against the world standard, not his team mates. And he is nowhere near it.

There have to be better bowlers in BD than this. You do not build fast bowlers. You pick bowlers with already good genes and then fix the kinks. Nazmul just doesn't have the genes.


thats just a blatent absurd opinion, which has no place or make any sense.

so lets compare every BD player to other world players? and if their not good enough, shall we get the teletubbies to play for bangladesh then? and mickey mouse as our captain?

amra_korbo_joy
June 16, 2005, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Arnab
Now that I have seen his bowling...he is not a genuine pacer. He doesn't have the physique nor the strength nor the flair to ever become a threat to any good batsman in international cricket. Whether he is 17 years old or 28.

These bowlers shouldn't even be considered for the inernational team. They should play in the domestic leagues to entertain the local crowd.

Nazmul, Anawar, etc. are same category player. There is no hope of improving them. I agree with you.

<b>we need a bowling coach.</b> He can work on Rajib, Mortoza, Talha or other faster bowler to improve their bowling. Mortoza is only international level pace bowler. He needs a company for pace attack.

Another point: England is very good against pace. Rafique is not getting wicket. we should have 2/3 geneune spinner in the team.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 6:03 PM GMT, by amra_korbo_joy.

nas
June 16, 2005, 01:19 PM
that sums up bangladesh for u.
flood in young undeveloped cricket into national team and waint till next 16 year old on the scenc.
rajib, nazmul, talha.
these are't good enoug to play even first class cricket let alone internationals,

to answer ur question only masrafi is close enough to be called a international bowler.

cricketboy
June 16, 2005, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Originally posted by Arnab
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this.
Who? Hasibul Hossain Shanto? Alamgir Kabir? Mohammad Shahzada?

:P:P Exactly. Nazmul is definitely better than Shanto, Kabir, Aminul Islam(Jr), Manjarul Islam.

BangladeshFan
June 16, 2005, 02:06 PM
nazmul can be replaced by taposh, but i think taposh will get hit as well. nazmul should be given another chance to prove himself.

if we go by quality i think shadadot should partner masri. he has pace and height. he needs to be coached for his consistency. but even now shahadot should have opened the bowling. he couldnt do worse than nazmul or taposh i guess.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 2:24 PM GMT, by chinaman.
Reason: Please do not use colors unnecessarily. Thanks.

feisal
June 16, 2005, 02:16 PM
sham,

i am surprised by your comment. on nazmul.. I do not argue about todays' performance, but actually he bowled quite well in all the matches he had played before.. statistics wise and also if u go deep....

it includes bowling in flat pitches as well. taking tendulkar in ctg, cleaning up in form astle etc. in fact, he looked good last time we played two one dayers in England..

rana
June 16, 2005, 02:21 PM
camone guys Nazmul is good enough for any lavel , let him play one more match the see maybe he can show his ability there.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 7:24 PM GMT, by rana.

AsifTheManRahman
June 16, 2005, 02:22 PM
from the looks of it, everyone's very, very confused on this thread. i have a mid term in an hour and a half. curse you all for playing with my brain! :)

abu_akif
June 16, 2005, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Originally posted by Arnab
There have to be better bowlers in BD than this.
Who? Hasibul Hossain Shanto? Alamgir Kabir? Mohammad Shahzada?

Bring back Prince :mad:

al
June 16, 2005, 03:26 PM
we lack consistency big time

Mridul
June 16, 2005, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by al
we lack consistency big time

thast why i say Bangaldesh is not good enough to compete in international level...let us be consistent against A teams and club teams first

NoboBarta
June 16, 2005, 05:02 PM
Nazmul is 5"7/5"8 [/quote]

That is short for a pacer to play in the international arena.

Wasim Akram once made a comment on Prince (Golam Nawsher?) that his hands were too soft (womanly) for a pacer. I am not sure how appropriate that was, but recalling some of the players I played with in Dhaka, they weren't very tough-built. Maybe the players should paly American Football to gain some kind of toughness. Just a comment!

RazabQ
June 16, 2005, 06:27 PM
Well, I have to say that I find this singling out of Nazmul by two respected board posters surprising. Nazmul can be a perfect odi bowler and has been one in England, and on flat subcontinental pitches in the past. He needs to get more consistent in nipping the ball away but beyond that he needs experience and some variety. Today when tresco & co were on the rampage, he needed to throw in a couple of slower ones, some off cutters and the occasional wide-of-the crease deliver - slanted waaay accross the leftie

I have seen him bowl befor and am not ready to call him trash just yet. Actually all our bowlers have bowled crap through out this tour. And today the English bowlers weren't getting much swing either.

Pretty bummed - stayed up all night too :(

opening_batsman
June 16, 2005, 07:16 PM
Nazmul just had a off day, he's been the most consistent bowler in ODI's for Bdesh. He's speed(76-78mph) isn't that great but he's the best line and length bowler we have, and he's only 17, imagine him in a few years, I'm sure the speed will increase beacuse he will be stronger. So lay off him, and have a dig at the so called experienced players e.g Mahmud

Rubu
June 16, 2005, 07:42 PM
Nazmul did bad today no doubt and he is not word class for sure. but what are your choices at this moment? from that point of view we still need him. I miss taposh, with the form he used to show when mashrafee was injured. at that time he used to carry on bangladesh pace attack all by himself. what happened to him? but with his current form there is nothing we can do. no point bringing in another new comer and get hammered like rajib. anwar does not deserve to be in 50 men primary squad, have been saying this for years, may be now people will believe me. class acts like talha should go to elementary class of bowling. who else is there? no body. nazmul is not a solution to our pace problem. but until we find the solution there is no point talking about him as we know he just there jut to fill in the gap.

he is the 2nd best pacer of bangladesh at this moment, without any doubt both in test and odi.

i think the biggest mistake was to not take him in test. if he had some experience there he would not do this bad today.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 12:48 AM GMT, by AgentSmith.

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith

he is the 2nd best pacer of bangladesh at this moment, without any doubt both in test and odi.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 12:48 AM GMT, by AgentSmith.

Agent, I really hope your mind is still working after waking up so early in the morning to watch the match :). Tapash is our second best bowler in any form of the game. Tapash is just out of form now. And when you talk about just at the moment, I don't think we have a second best bowler, all are same. But judging by the potential Tapash is close to Masri and way ahead of any other BD pacer.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 2:25 AM GMT, by ehsan.

Rubu
June 16, 2005, 09:30 PM
Tapash is just out of form now.

that is exactly i meant. right now, means right now. read my whole post, once again

"I miss taposh, with the form he used to show when mashrafee was injured. at that time he used to carry on bangladesh pace attack all by himself. what happened to him? but with his current form there is nothing we can do" .

in form taposh is much better than nazmul.

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 09:45 PM
Agent, I would still stick to we don't have a 2nd best bowler at the moment. What has Nazmul done? 3 wickets in practice match? Chacha has done that too. :)

Nazmul looked most impressive in the WI tour. I totally agree with Sham that if Nazmul makes a little mistake in positioning the ball then he would be get hit. Going by the potential you can compare Nazmul with Chacha and I bet he would top Chacha anyday. :)

But I do not agree that he would never get better as I have seen him bowling in the WI tour. He needs proper training and also needs to gain some muscles. I think we should sent him to India's pace accademy along with our other emerging pacers - Tapash, Masri, Shahadat, Talha.

shaoun
June 16, 2005, 11:19 PM
i have noticed onething in bangladesh cricket with the bowlers is that their career finishes at very early age. look at monjurul islam monju and hasibul hussein shanto, they are still very young. monju is 26 rightnow and shanto is 28, this is not too old. what i am scared of is that it may happen to masrafee, i think this thing is already showing in taposh baishya. we really need taposh to get in form to help masrafee. nazmul is good odi bowler but i dont think he is much help in test. i hope talha and shahadat can get better. nazmul is gonna stay in the team for awhile but i dont think he will play many test matches. for test its bowler like masrafee taposh shahadat and talha who we gonna have to depend on.

oracle
June 16, 2005, 11:20 PM
You need to look at Nazmul's performance, which i thought was fair, in the match with respect to how the English bowler's got their wickets. Throughout a very disruptive BD bat session, I thought that on several occassions many of our batsmen played the bowlers easier than on previous ocassions , i.e also the ball came to the bat easily. So i think it was going to be a batsman's day either way.

Also, Tres and strauss were far better at placing the ball than our batsman. All the attempted sixes that Tres tried were not risky , just fell short of the boundary, that's all. However, the same could not be said of our batsmen. There were quite a few edges that could have ended up as dismissals.

Last but not least, 2 crucial dismissals (2 players that could have made the game far more competitive) did us in- Bashar and Aftab. Both looked capable of scoring more than their scorecard shows but as usual their outs were unnecessary. Bashar need not have attempted that shot and Aftab's runout was unnnecessary as a 2 was never there.

If you look at it in this way then I am not surprised that when the English came to bat they took the task without sweat. Personally, i feel that the English batsmen were more impressive than their bowlers and this will be vindicated once they play Australia. England are a far more experienced and professional side that can deal with cricket in these conditions. Whereas BD need to work on several aspects apart from bowling variations; adjustment to playing cricket where the session is on/off etc.

Whether Nazmul is fine, mediocre, talentless or average should be looked at in context.

Rubu
June 16, 2005, 11:33 PM
It is not fair to look down to someone just because of one match. forget the practice matches, they are for practice only. but look at the overall career of nazmul. he was the soul performer in the last ICCCT in this england. then on, his bwoling has been pretty economical in all other matches he played. what did his competent did meanwhile? talha had not perform, ever in his career and there is no reason that he ever will. taposh is terribly out of form, need to sort out his things before getting in again. the faster he does that the better for both him and the team. but he is useless until that happens. shanto may be officially 28, he is in reality well over 30. no, i'd rather open the bowling with JO than shanto. manju is a bit surprise to me as his disappearance was very abrupt. but did not show anything to deserve a recall. if he can show, he sure can come back. munir, i believe is a "uncle's nephew", don't wanna talk about him. shahadat still not ready. all the pacer hunt finds still need to be groomed. alamgir kabir is a practice match bully and is a surprise to me how he bowl with such a big tummy. tareq aziz never was able to use the chances he was given. did i miss anyone? there is simply no reason to blame nazmul at this point.

capslock
June 16, 2005, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by shaoun
i have noticed onething in bangladesh cricket with the bowlers is that their career finishes at very early age. look at monjurul islam monju and hasibul hussein shanto, they are still very young. monju is 26 rightnow and shanto is 28, this is not too old. what i am scared of is that it may happen to masrafee, i think this thing is already showing in taposh baishya. we really need taposh to get in form to help masrafee. nazmul is good odi bowler but i dont think he is much help in test. i hope talha and shahadat can get better. nazmul is gonna stay in the team for awhile but i dont think he will play many test matches. for test its bowler like masrafee taposh shahadat and talha who we gonna have to depend on.



Bhai apnar matha tatha kharap hoye gelo naki? Shantor cheharay hajar hajar boli rekha, betar dat tat pore geche apni tarporey bhaben tar boyesh 28? Tahole to Rafiquer boyosh 70r opore.

Sham
June 17, 2005, 05:56 AM
Originally posted by razabq
Well, I have to say that I find this singling out of Nazmul by two respected board posters surprising.

It shouldn't be all that surprising. I have always said, I don't think Nazmul has the height or the pace to trouble top class batsmen and that is why I wasn't upset when he didn't get picked in the Test squad. If you don't have height, like Gough or Marshall (who are both a good deal taller than Nazmul), you have to have some pace. If you don't have pace, you have to have some height. If you have neither, no matter how much you swing the ball, you will have to be accurate a 100% of the time, especially on a nice wicket like the one they played on yesterday, and I don't think any bowler (maybe McGrath and Pollock) is that good to get it right all the time.

Someone mentioned Chittagong, so I'll say this about Chittagong, that wicket is the slowest I have ever seen! We would have never kept India to 230 odd if that wicket had any pace on it.

Look, I know Nazmul has bowled well before. But so has Saiful Islam, our premier fast bowler in the mid 90s. Aftab has bowled well before as well and cleaned up NZ. Thats my whole point, Nazmul, if you think about it, is not a whole deal better. When he is accurate, he will bowl well. When he is not, he will get hammered like yesterday. So for us fans of BD cricket, its just a question of hoping that Nazmul gets up on the right side of the bed on more match days than not. He has nothing in his armoury that is ever likely to trouble top class batsmen.

Sham
June 17, 2005, 06:02 AM
Just to take my point a little further, lets compare Nazmul with yesterday's debutante, Jon Lewis, who is not quick by any standard, even BD's. But, he has height and he can swing and the combination can be deadly.

Lets take the ball that got Ash out, he hit the seam from height on a good length just around off-stump and got a bit of bounce and just enough swing to take Ashraful's edge on the way to the keeper. With the pace Nazmul generates and from his height, can any of you see him bowling that delivery? I can't!

insideedge
June 17, 2005, 06:50 AM
ODI is a batsmen's game and it is the batsmen who win or lose the game for their team. The match was already a lost cause for BD when they got bowled out for 190.

It is the top 5 wickets that were lost before 80 runs were on the board that were primarily responsible for the debacle. BD typically scores in this range when they bat first and they have never won an ODI having scoread a total like this. Their two wins against major test class opposition in ODI was when they scored above 200 batting first.

So to expect that BD could have posed any threat to the English batsmen when they chased 190 is naive, to say the least.

I watched the bowling of Nazmul in the initial overs of England and he bowled at a good line and length at that time. In the initial overs, the English batsmen played themselves in and then they started to take calculated risk by stepping out to him and lofting him. They succeeded in disturbing the rhythm of Nazmul with their ploy and they successfully capitalised on it in his later overs. At that stage he should have been taken off by the skipper which was unfortunately not done.

Nazmul is only a medium fast bowler who bowled in the 75 to 79 mph range in this match. He did not get much swing which made him an innocuous bowler in the later stages. But he has in the past troubled batsmen when he got swing. He bowls a good line and length which is a desirable quality in any bowler, whatever his pace.

To my mind, it is quite unfair to single him out and use such discouraging language about him by some respected forummers ( as someone put it). How come Rafiq and Mahmud did not get similar threads from them. After all, their bowling performance was hardly any better. They supposedly have years of experience behind them as well.

Among the Bangladeshi new ball bowlers, Nazmul is one who will have more success in International cricket than most of his compatriots- I am sure of it. He just needs to be nurtured carefully. The detractors of Nazmul should look at the example of Vaas( who most of the fans must be very familiar with). He is hardly much taller or much quicker than Nazmul, but that has not stopped him from becoming the most successful new ball bowler from Sri Lanka.

Unlike the respected forummer who began this thread- I say- Nazmul is good- he can become much better.

Spitfire_x86
June 17, 2005, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by shaoun
i have noticed onething in bangladesh cricket with the bowlers is that their career finishes at very early age. look at monjurul islam monju and hasibul hussein shanto, they are still very young. monju is 26 rightnow and shanto is 28, this is not too old. what i am scared of is that it may happen to masrafee, i think this thing is already showing in taposh baishya.
LOL, their career finishes early because they are big @g3 İh3@t3rs

Rubu
June 17, 2005, 08:46 AM
Question to those who think nazmul is does not worth it, whom do u wanna replace him with?

paco
June 17, 2005, 08:55 AM
WASCORONI !!! WASCORONI !!!

Spitfire_x86
June 17, 2005, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by paco
WASCORONI !!! WASCORONI !!!
NO BALL!!! :P

DJ Sahastra
June 17, 2005, 09:05 AM
Nazmul or no Nazmul, I think the Lords humiliation should've effectively ended Taposh's career.

Fazal
June 17, 2005, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by paco
WASCORONI !!! WASCORONI !!!

Hati Ghora Gelo Tol, WASCORONI bole koto Jol?

Spitfire_x86
June 17, 2005, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Nazmul or no Nazmul, I think the Lords humiliation should've effectively ended Taposh's career.
Taposh didn't play at Lords :)

DJ Sahastra
June 17, 2005, 09:09 AM
Spitfire,

That's the humiliation i was talking about :)

Spitfire_x86
June 17, 2005, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Spitfire,

That's the humiliation i was talking about :)
then I don't get it :umm:

DJ Sahastra
June 17, 2005, 09:43 AM
Spitfire,

Representing your country at Lords in many ways signifies the pinnacle of one's career and something to look back with pride.

By being bypassed in favour of other newcomers, Taposh was subjected to the indignity and humiliation that can take it's toll on any cricketer worth his grain.

In my opinion, Taposh's career ended there. I doubt if he's gonna be the same fighter again.

reverse_swing
June 17, 2005, 09:45 AM
Tapos was injured at that time. He was not considered because of fitness problems.

Fazal
June 17, 2005, 09:46 AM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
In my opinion, Taposh's career ended there. I doubt if he's gonna be the same fighter again.

In other word "It hurt his feeling.:(

Rubu
June 17, 2005, 09:55 AM
to hell with lords. its just another field. like the other hundreds all over the word. what happened at lords should not have anymore impact than chester le street or st. luise or harare. they are all the same.

chinaman
June 17, 2005, 09:58 AM
Nazmul, regardless of his height or age, is one of the few best pacers we currently have. As a line and length bowler, he has the potential to keep batsmen alert. If he can add variations, he is sure to have improved penetration.

Now a days, many batsmen can blast away any pacer. We are getting used to see the ODI runs to cross the 300 line every now and then. When we see an otherwise well known pacer concedes in excess of 6 runs an over, do we really blame that bowler or praise the batsmen for a quickfire ton?

Few months ago, when Rafique was taken out of the attack by the Zimbabwean after only 2/3 overs, does it really say anything much about him? It is this variability from day to day that makes Kaspro a class act even at the presence of McGrath. Recall the unknown Aftab in presence of better known bowlers?

How far Nazmul really can go is beyond me as I'm neither an expert nor a coach. I's sure, many of you are cricket gurus and have the expertise and ability to predict a long way, but Nazmul has given me enough hope to keep my faith alive on him against your odds.

DJ Sahastra
June 17, 2005, 10:58 AM
I concur with Chinaman in that judgements should be reserved until a bowler has been tried enough and not solely on the basis of how badly he was slogged in an ODI.