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Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 11:23 AM
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh


Batting Lineup:

JO
Nafis
Aftab
Tushar
Habibul
Rana
Rafiq
Pilot
Mashrafee
Taposh
Nazmul

12th man: Rajin

Zunaid
June 16, 2005, 11:25 AM
Has chacha just played his last international game?

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Zunaid
Has chacha just played his last international game?

Fortunately, He did.

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 11:28 AM
I would give Khaled Mahmud another match before hammering the last nail of his career.

roaring tigerz
June 16, 2005, 11:30 AM
my only change would be to bring in rana for chacha.my team according to batting order is:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I would give Khaled Mahmud another match before hammering the last nail of his career.

Plz, aar koshto dite chaan chachake. Its time to let him go.

Flipper
June 16, 2005, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by faceoff


Batting Lineup:

JO
Nafis
Aftab
Tushar
Habibul
Rana
Rafiq
Pilot
Mashrafee
Taposh
Nazmul

12th man: Rajin

I agree with your team and the lineup, I think we should stick with it for the rest of the series.

Bat-PadTogether
June 16, 2005, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by Zunaid
Has chacha just played his last international game?
Yes!Send him back to Bangladesh.:down::down::down::down::down::down::do wn::down::down::down::down::down::down::down::down ::down::down::down::down::down::down::down::down:

Bat-PadTogether
June 16, 2005, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by roaring tigerz
my only change would be to bring in rana for chacha.my team according to batting order is:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain
I totaly agree with you.

yaseer
June 16, 2005, 11:41 AM
The most dissapointing thing about chacha is that.........he was always a committed cricketer.........but today......the way he bowled.......there was no committment.......no try to imrpove.....just gave it up.........just did not try.........bowling lolipop bouncers !!! was he bowling to his little son??

mahbubH
June 16, 2005, 11:43 AM
Seems bowling inside first 15 overs is another place to worry about beside top order batting.

I think our bowlers did not bowl according to their plan, if there were any, inside first 15 overs.

My two predictions went wrong:

1. I thought BD will not pass 130 and
2. England need at least 30 overs to score 190.

yaseer
June 16, 2005, 11:47 AM
Taposh in place of chacha for me........................
i know why you guys are wanting rana......he also deserve his chance........but do you think going only with 3 seamers (Masri, nazmul).....all spinners a good idea??
dont think Aftab bowled well today.......tresco was looking for 100 and strauss was not hitting to give tresco a chance to make 100.........

So, if Rana plays.......then only 2 seamers in English condition............I am not too sure about that.........
So, Taposh for chahca for me.

I was hoping chacha playing well today.......and Rana will get a cahcne in place of a batsmen in the next match......but the way our batters batted today.....i am also worried to drop another batmen.

What can be done with this team !!!

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 11:53 AM
Originally posted by yaseer
Taposh in place of chacha for me........................
i know why you guys are wanting rana......he also deserve his chance........but do you think going only with 3 seamers (Masri, nazmul).....all spinners a good idea??
dont think Aftab bowled well today.......tresco was looking for 100 and strauss was not hitting to give tresco a chance to make 100.........

So, if Rana plays.......then only 2 seamers in English condition............I am not too sure about that.........
So, Taposh for chahca for me.

I was hoping chacha playing well today.......and Rana will get a cahcne in place of a batsmen in the next match......but the way our batters batted today.....i am also worried to drop another batmen.

What can be done with this team !!!

We definitely need 3 seamers in english pitch. Rana must play instead of chacha. So the odd man left out is Ashraful who can use a break as he always plays well after breaks.

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 11:57 AM
I think we should just change the batting lineup for the next match. Aftab should come at #3 and Ashraful should come at #6.

If things still don't work well for us, then we should think about changes for the 3rd match.

roaring tigerz
June 16, 2005, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by yaseer
Taposh in place of chacha for me........................
i know why you guys are wanting rana......he also deserve his chance........but do you think going only with 3 seamers (Masri, nazmul).....all spinners a good idea??
dont think Aftab bowled well today.......tresco was looking for 100 and strauss was not hitting to give tresco a chance to make 100.........

So, if Rana plays.......then only 2 seamers in English condition............I am not too sure about that.........
So, Taposh for chahca for me.

I was hoping chacha playing well today.......and Rana will get a cahcne in place of a batsmen in the next match......but the way our batters batted today.....i am also worried to drop another batmen.

What can be done with this team !!!

two pacers in these conditions is definately suicidal. but what other options do we have? rana is definately not good enough to bat in the top 6. mashud could be moved up the order at 6 and rana could play at 7. but then who would be dropped? i would give ash at least 2 more games b4 considering dropping him. tushar did just about enough to justify keeping him. in normal circumstances i would have thought of putting ash as opener in place of nafis. but ashraful is struggling against the new ball now. so dont know how to put taposh and rana both into the team. rana gets my vote, kinda by default because of tapash's erratic form so far.

Mahmood
June 16, 2005, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by roaring tigerz
my only change would be to bring in rana for chacha.my team according to batting order is:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain

I like this team and the batting order.

shaheen
June 16, 2005, 12:14 PM
All this batting orders matters only if our 1st wkt stand for a longer time. Otherwise no use as in that case everybody have to face new balls which none of us can play better.I think Tushar may try @no 3 and then either Bashar or Aftab. I would like to give Chacha abd Ash a break in the next game. And chacha will not play in the enxt game then bring Aftab,Pilot, Rafique,Rana, Masri, Taposh and Nazmul

mahbubH
June 16, 2005, 12:18 PM
We should not change the things that are working. We should only change that are not working.

Aftab is doing good in the late of the order, so why should we change his batting place?

Ashraful is good enough talent to bat for Bangladesh at 3. We should try him again. Changing his batting order will not give much confidance he needs at this point of time. Either drop Ash or keep him at three.

pilot fan
June 16, 2005, 12:18 PM
i do not think that aftab should be number 3 as if he is in early the new ball might finsih him of bang there goes our best batsman

he does well at number 6 as he can asses the situation and either kock the ball around or go for the big shots

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 12:19 PM
I will give chacha the chance of his life. Let him play the 2nd ODI if he does not perform, then lets just say good bye to him for his years long service. I would replace Nazmul with Tapash.

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Khaled Mahmud - [last chance to prove his ability, he would be replace by Rana for the the 3rd game.]
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Tapash Baisya

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 5:20 PM GMT, by ehsan.

TheWatcher
June 16, 2005, 12:24 PM
I think Chacha got too emotional today and tried to do something extra other than bowling in his traditional nagging fashion. If he agrees to go back to his old way, I would give him another chance.

Sham
June 16, 2005, 12:27 PM
I think Aftab should probably stay at 6. Ashraful should go down to 5 and Tushar and Bashar should move a place up. We can't lose Aftab early. Let him stay where he is doing well.

Ashraful looks very tentative with his footwork. Obviously, he just faced one ball today, but generally, he hasn't been going forward or back. He has been staying put where he is, a natural result of being out of touch and low on confidence. He needs to move down the order to number 5 and he needs a bit of luck as well. When you aren't really in touch, you don't want the kind of ball he got first up today. I would also drop Nazmul and Mahmud and bring back Tapash and Rana. This is my team:

Javed Omar
Nafees Iqbal
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Aftab Ahmed
Khaled Mashud
Mohammed Rafique
Monjurul Islam
Mashrafe Mortoza
Tapash Baisya

Ehsan
June 16, 2005, 12:30 PM
Sham, no chance for chacha eh? I was feeling sad for him after all he is retiring after this series and that's the ONLY reason he got a place in my team. :)

reyme
June 16, 2005, 12:43 PM
Sham is asking for Rana, now that is shocking. Spitfire is very consistent, he still discards Rana.

Now that Rana's inclusion is obvious to everybody, which I justified before the match, hopefully Rana will prove his worthiness, again. And I want to see Ashraful again, my prediction is Rana will outperform him and prove my point that talent label is useless, if someone does not know how to use it. Player like Ashraful is nothing more than a burden for this series.

Cricket46
June 16, 2005, 12:48 PM
I am in favor of bringing in Rana and Taposh in place of Ashraful and Mahmud. Ashraful is just out of form and unfortunately, when you are out of form you also get good deliveries that gets you out. I guess it is a vicious cricle.

The problem in dropping Ashraful is that it makes the tail longer. But how bad could that be? If he continues his run of bad scores it might be a good idea to replace him for the next match at least. One day he will play an amazing innings again, but when? In case, he still plays the second game, he should bat at #6.

The bigger problem is that our backups are not in good form either. In that case, Rajin or Shahriar Nafis could come in place of Ashraful. I donít know how good even Taposh would be on the bowling front. Besides, then Masud, Rafique, Rana, Mashrafee, Taposh would need to bat decently. We always seem to have problems between wickets #2 and #4. Hence the need of the later bastmen/bowlers to bat well.

reyme
June 16, 2005, 12:55 PM
Now if Bashar brings Rana after 20 overs, Rana will be ineffective as well. Today, the way Bashar captained the team, I wonder whethere he thinks sensibly or thinks anything at all as the game progress. Pacers were getting hammered, and he still let them bowl. Rafiq should have brought after 8 overs, as Nazmul was falling apart, but no he kept him bowling. It cost the team a lot, England openers whacked them all over the filed. and got a confidence sky high by the time Rafiq was there. Surely Rafiq is not in the best of forms, and at that situation any bowlers would be smacked, but some prudent bowling changes could have delayed the inevitable at least by 8-10 more overs.

Today, Bashar's captainly definitely was the lowlight of BD fielding. During the second test match the commentators were questioning his captaincy capability. Someone said he just stands there and let things happen. He meant if you just stand there why a team even need a captain.

fwullah
June 16, 2005, 01:07 PM
Well everybody around here knows how good a fan I am of Sujon and since I'm also repeating to drop him from the game against Australia; so there is a very strong point for 'resting' him in the next match. :P

I am telling to drop Sujon for just the Australia match because at this point, Sujon will not gain anything if he takes a wicket or 2 against Australia, but if someone like Tapash or Rana gets a wicket or 2 against them, then it would mean a lot to them and may be they (also Mashrafee, Nazmul) could gain some confidence in the next match or for the next series.

Also, the selfish reason for me in favor of dropping Sujon is that he usually doesn't play well either with the bat or ball against Australia - so why play him, anyway? Also, if you compare his case with Rafique's - we could gain something out of it - before the game starting, we could say that Rafique might get a wicket while bowling, but we can't be as sure to say that Sujon might get a wicket against them.

Besides, Australia'll be pretty 'angry' after their somerset loss today - so there is the possibility that they could hit 400 against us if we give them the opportunity to bat first.

Beamer
June 16, 2005, 01:10 PM
All the bastmen of todays match need another game. So, I won't change anything with the batting. Maybe, nick the order a little bit but thats about it. JO, Nafees, Ash ( he has the stuff to play at no.3. Just needs a little break. He has been getting out in good balls as well. But I agree, his confidence is all time low, hence the tentativeness), Tushar, Bashar ( God that was an awful dismissal today ), Aftab, Pilot, Rafiq, Mashrafee, Tapash, Nazmul.

So, one change. Bowler for bowler. Tapash for Chacha. Please stop calling Chacha an all-rounder. He is a no.10 batsman and a specialist bowler ( though nothing special about him ) . With Tapash at no.10, batting has more upside and bowling can't be any worse than 3-39!

Sham
June 16, 2005, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by reyme
Sham is asking for Rana, now that is shocking. Spitfire is very consistent, he still discards Rana.


What complete rubbish!

I have never said Rana shouldn't play ODIs for Bangladesh. Man, I can't believe I am saying this again, almost 4 months after this debate first occured. I don't have a problem with Rana, as long as he isn't batting in the top 6! I have always said, he is a useful bowler and an effective lower order batsman, just don't make him a specialist batsman because he isn't one!

BD Tigers
June 16, 2005, 01:19 PM
I am a chacha fan but after today I also think he needs a short break. It was just not his day. But the way the bowlers are bowling..that's pathetic..short balls..even rafique is getting hammered...so its not only chacha's fault either.

Batsmen..what more can you say abt our top order. everybody got starts but didnt continue.

DotBall
June 16, 2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by faceoff
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh

Now we are talking..... :up:
So much about Ash, he is just dragging the team batting moral to zero.
I wish we had one slow medium pacer instead of 3 medium fast.

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by reyme
Sham is asking for Rana, now that is shocking. Spitfire is very consistent, he still discards Rana.

Now that Rana's inclusion is obvious to everybody, which I justified before the match, hopefully Rana will prove his worthiness, again. And I want to see Ashraful again, my prediction is Rana will outperform him and prove my point that talent label is useless, if someone does not know how to use it. Player like Ashraful is nothing more than a burden for this series.
I was almost going to include Rana, but I thought since it's Chacha's last series, we might give him another (the last) chance.

After Chacha retires, Rana will surely fill our so called "allrounder's place" in the ODI team for a while, so Rana fans have nothing to worry :)

reyme
June 16, 2005, 01:34 PM
Sham dont forget you campaigned for Alok Kapali for a 6th batsman ahead of Rana. You thought time and again Alok is a better choice than Rana although all the stats in the world and even performance on the field proved time and again that Rana was indeed a better choice. These 2 players are with similar background, came as a bowler and now bat pretty decent.

So what is your problem with Rana, he if plays as a alrounder within 6 position, and elivers better than so called talented batsmen then where is the problem? Alok Kaplai made you look really bad by one of the worst performances by any BD batsmen ever, and you still wanted to put him ahead of Rana as a 6th batsmen. Haven't you seen enough.

Without a personal vandetta against Rana, you would not have acted that way, admit or not, call it a rubbish or something, you just cant stand Rana.

Just looks at the sta man, Rana's record while batted within top 6, is still better than when Ashraful or alok Kapali opened for the team. Like it or not, these 2 talented label players will drop out sooner or later.

Sham
June 16, 2005, 01:40 PM
Nope, you aren't going to drag be back into this discussion. If you want to think that I have a grudge against Rana, go ahead, I couldn't care less. Just don't say that I have been anything less than consistent. I have said it then and I am saying it now, pick Rana as a bowler and a lower order batsman. Don't play him in the top six. We still need 6 specialist batsmen, now who those six are can be debated. I don't know why you are drawing Kapali or Ashraful into this. Rana is not fight for Ashraful's place and Kapali isn't even in the squad!

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by reyme
Sham dont forget you campaigned for Alok Kapali for a 6th batsman ahead of Rana. You thought time and again Alok is a better choice than Rana although all the stats in the world and even performance on the field proved time and again that Rana was indeed a better choice. These 2 players are with similar background, came as a bowler and now bat pretty decent.
Anyone who has seen both in-form Alok and Rana's batting shouldn't have any doubt about who's the better batsman.

Alok has batted horribly bad in his last 16 ODIs, if you take out the last 16 ODIs from his career, then his batting record looks damn good as a BD batsman, 27.23 average from 29 matches.

Here's Alok's innings by innings ODI batting summary (http://statserver.cricket.org/guru?sdb=player;playerid=35501;class=odiplayer;fil ter=basic;team=0;opposition=0;notopposition=0;seas on=0;homeaway=0;continent=0;country=0;notcountry=0 ;groundid=0;startdefault=2002-08-04;start=2002-08-04;enddefault=2005-01-31;end=2005-01-31;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;result=0;follow on=0;seriesresult=0;captain=0;keeper=0;dnp=0;recen t=;viewtype=bat_list;runslow=;runshigh=;batpositio n=0;dismissal=0;bowposition=0;ballslow=;ballshigh= ;bpof=0;overslow=;overshigh=;conclow=;conchigh=;wi cketslow=;wicketshigh=;dismissalslow=;dismissalshi gh=;caughtlow=;caughthigh=;caughttype=0;stumpedlow =;stumpedhigh=;csearch=;submit=1;.cgifields=viewty pe)

Statistics or no statistics, Alok is (at least was) way better batsman than Rana.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 6:49 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

rafiq
June 16, 2005, 01:46 PM
Khaled Mahmud Sujon needs more than a short break. If he was a Colombian soccer player in the turbulent early 90s, he would have been shot dead by now by some irate fan.....Now I am not advocating such drastic measures, but everytime Sujon takes a few wickets he is lauded on this board as a genuine all-rounder. As soon as he sores a duck and gets hammered, you want him to take "short breaks". Why don't you just come out and realize that we have better options than Sujon and his time is waaaaaaaay over.

Tapash for Sujon in the 2nd ODI is the only change; would be nice to have Rana too but I don;t know how. Also, maybe Ash should go down the order, Tushar could go in at 3.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 6:49 PM GMT, by rafiq.

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by DotBall
Originally posted by faceoff
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh

Now we are talking..... :up:
So much about Ash, he is just dragging the team batting moral to zero.
I wish we had one slow medium pacer instead of 3 medium fast.

Nazmul is alsmost slow medium :)

Sham
June 16, 2005, 01:48 PM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Originally posted by reyme
Sham dont forget you campaigned for Alok Kapali for a 6th batsman ahead of Rana. You thought time and again Alok is a better choice than Rana although all the stats in the world and even performance on the field proved time and again that Rana was indeed a better choice. These 2 players are with similar background, came as a bowler and now bat pretty decent.
Anyone who has seen both in-form Alok and Rana's batting shouldn't have any doubt about who's the better batsman.

Alok has batted horribly bad in his last 16 ODIs, if you take out the last 16 ODIs from his career, then his batting record looks damn good as a BD batsman, 27.23 average from 29 matches.

Statistics or no statistics, Alok is way better batsman than Rana.

Why mate why? Why are you getting drawn into this again? If you have seen them bat, and you know who is better, be happy in your knowledge and in knowing that your appreciation of the game and its players is better than most others'. Getting into this debate again will not bring you any gratification whatsoever!

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 6:50 PM GMT, by Sham.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 7:00 PM GMT, by Sham.

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 01:51 PM
I would love to give ashraful another shot but the problem is we just dont have enough quality bowlers in the team and if aus or eng bat first in batting friendly pitch then they will definitely score 400. without 3 medium pacers we will be thrashed in the first 15 overs.

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 01:53 PM
Sham, please quote my edited post.

Anyway, I know it's useless, but couldn't resist.

reyme
June 16, 2005, 01:57 PM
I care less about debating on something which does not take me places, as if I have nothing to do than just to sit here and fight with you on some issue with your predetermined mindset.

Now with due respest to you, Kapali came into picture since the whole argument about playing a number 6 batsman started with him. As predicted he did not last, even after getting maximum favors in the history of cricket! It was a choice between Rana and Kaplali and you or someone else started that way.

Now if Ashraful or Shujan were to be dropped from the team then Rana comes and replaces. It is not a comparison, it is more of replaing someone for a slot. Rana might not come at 3, but by changing batting orders he surely can replace Ashraful. And do you know while opening for the team, Rana's batting avg is higher than Ashraful? Or why cant we comapre? Or you just want to keep your eyes close regardless of the stats ?

reyme
June 16, 2005, 02:23 PM
Okay one last post on this and I am done with Sham. Please just consider the total contribution of a player for the team. If you add total points for all 3 catgories, bat, bowl and field, Rana, based on the current form, should outperform Ash. So what we have 1 less genuine batsman, in terms of total contribution, if Rana can outperform Ash then what is probem Rana replacing Ash? Rana taking 1/2 wkts, giving 30 runs in 10 overs and scoring a brisk 20 some runs is way better than Ash's unpredictable 40 something. So what is problem playing an alrounder instead of a specialized batsman? So if you consider the total value of a player in the team, I see no problem in comparing anyone with any other one and makes the replacemnt more sense,at least in this case.

Beamer
June 16, 2005, 02:25 PM
Need not worry Rana fans. You will probably get to see your man in action next game. I still favor Tapash for Mahmud. Not Rana for Mahmud. Though I have no illusions of Rana like some people do, I know, he is better than Chacha. Chacha is an insult to our team. Did anyone see him try to bounce out Trescothic and Strauss? What was he thinking?And how could Bashar bring him back after giving away 21 runs in first overs? ( with 3 no balls !!!!!) . I am sure at least rana won't go for 39 runs in 3 overs.

On a side note : Rana vs Kapali ..in terms of batting? get real. No comparisons. Alok is a pure hitter of the ball. Style points? even worse the comparison. Kapali wasn't exactly a bad one day player before he lost way ( by our standards ). Kapali is a great fielder. Rana is a terrible fielder. Anyone seen him dropping all those catches in WI? or ganguly in slips when Rana was caught sleeping?

naz
June 16, 2005, 02:25 PM
ashraful did not play well as his batting order was changed

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 02:27 PM
Anyone who has seen both <b>in-form</b> Alok and Rana's batting shouldn't have any doubt about who's the better batsman.

in-form and Alok is now a days mutually exclusive thing like like dumirer phul.:D


Alok has batted horribly bad in his last 16 ODIs, <b>if you take out the last 16 ODIs from his career</b>, then his batting record looks damn good as a BD batsman, 27.23 average from 29 matches.


And if you take of all his ODI records then he will have a clean slate. And then he will be back to the most talented player in Bangladesh:P

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 7:28 PM GMT, by Fazal.

AsifTheManRahman
June 16, 2005, 02:28 PM
i still want chacha in the team -> at least for another match.

btw - drop that useless tushar imran and bring in rana :)

feisal
June 16, 2005, 02:28 PM
Rana and Kapali comparison just as a "batsman"?

this must be a joke..

Yunus khan now has the distinction of scoring the highest run in a test match played in india (as a visitor)... i think previously it was that 42 boundary innings of Rohan Kanhai....

who is a better batsman?? anyway, i agree with Sham.. no point arguing...

Abahani'r weak batting line up a number six is sloted to play at number six of national team??? who else plays at that position for other team... let's just not go there..!

CricPagol
June 16, 2005, 02:30 PM
I think we should be able to put some runs on the board if Ash clicks along with a few others. But still we will be lucky if we are able to break the opening partnership of the other team.

paco
June 16, 2005, 02:32 PM
Guys - please !! I think we've all possible combinations already ! Bringing in Rana or Taposh won't make any difference. Heck, even dropping Masri or Bashar or Aftab won't make any difference.

Beamer
June 16, 2005, 02:37 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
i still want chacha in the team -> at least for another match.

btw - drop that useless tushar imran and bring in rana :)

Chacha is an insult to cricket. keep him in your fantasy team if you must. Actually he is shameless. lojja thakle nijey retire korey choley jawa uchit. But lojja nai. ki kora jabey? ghar dhakka diye...

BangladeshFan
June 16, 2005, 02:42 PM
Originally posted by faceoff
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh


Batting Lineup:

JO
Nafis
Aftab
Tushar
Habibul
Rana
Rafiq
Pilot
Mashrafee
Taposh
Nazmul

12th man: Rajin

thats the exact team i proposed before this match. but i put rafiq at 7 and pilot at 9. pilot is mostly defensive and can form some sort of partnership with mash at 10 if that goes down there.

Alomelo
June 16, 2005, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by Zunaid
Has chacha just played his last international game?

I wish

Alomelo
June 16, 2005, 03:14 PM
Originally posted by faceoff
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh


Batting Lineup:

JO
Nafis
Aftab
Tushar
Habibul
Rana
Rafiq
Pilot
Mashrafee
Taposh
Nazmul

12th man: Rajin

thats kind of like a bowling team... we need batsman.. cause we always suck at it....

Faceoff
June 16, 2005, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by Alomelo
Originally posted by faceoff
Drop: Ashraful, Khaled Mahmud

Add: Rana,Taposh


Batting Lineup:

JO
Nafis
Aftab
Tushar
Habibul
Rana
Rafiq
Pilot
Mashrafee
Taposh
Nazmul

12th man: Rajin

thats kind of like a bowling team... we need batsman.. cause we always suck at it....

Its not a bowling team. Its a balanced team. And after todays bowling performance, you still think we need more batsman?

akabir77
June 16, 2005, 03:27 PM
shob dosh gollar.. ato bhalo kheltasilo ki dorker chilo cross khelar r morok lagonor? r bd er jey run korey takey run out hoitai hobey money hoy, betting korsilo keo.....

R chacha/ bhatija buji na pitch dekhey team set kora uchit.... mar shobai khaisey so khali chacha r dosh ki 1st ov 21 then 3 39 so last 2 ov dilo 18.. din kharap thakley ki r hobey, shalarey Lathi mar then r ekbar kheltey dea cause he will retire and we won't win even if rana and his father plays....:down:If selector thought this was the best team they should let the team play and give them time to shine...

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 8:32 PM GMT, by akabir77.

roaring tigerz
June 16, 2005, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by paco
Guys - please !! I think we've all possible combinations already ! Bringing in Rana or Taposh won't make any difference. Heck, even dropping Masri or Bashar or Aftab won't make any difference.

i totally agree. the question is not about team combination.taking an extra batsman or playing an allrounder at 6 will not make an iota of a difference. what our team needs is some soul searching and collective effort. the inability to cope with short balls, losing concentration and playing rash shots, lack of proper game plan, bowling without any direction, missed catches, unimaginative captaincy ...the list goes on. our players have to personally take responsibility and look to do the basics right.some of the obvious mistakes that our cricketers keep on repeating make me wonder about what goes inside the dressing room and team meetings.if we dont work on these shortcomings whoever we play the results will be the same.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 8:31 PM GMT, by roaring tigerz.

abu_akif
June 16, 2005, 03:34 PM
Originally posted by paco
Heck, even dropping Masri or Bashar or Aftab won't make any difference.

Don't agree...

minus Aftab ==> 190-51 = 139... big difference, and Tresco would not be able make the century on century match, that would not be so good for him...

minus Masri ==> 190-29 = 161.. not so big difference.. but if we would get Taposh in, he would have given 40 runs in 6 overs, so that would make a big difference...

minus Bashar ==> 190-19 = 171... no difference at all..

Sham
June 16, 2005, 03:44 PM
Chacha recently wanted to know why he wasn't in the test team, after he performed so well in domestic cricket. I hope that he has got his answer now, along with all the chacha fans on this board. Actually, I can see one or two of them on this thread!

AsifTheManRahman
June 16, 2005, 03:45 PM
yup..hand up in the air

Tokai
June 16, 2005, 03:46 PM
Now, everyone (including selectors) will want rana in the team. they will not realize that the next match is against australia, who has no problem playing spin. not against england who does. as a result, rana will not do good and will be blamed. but he could make a difference today.

cricman
June 16, 2005, 03:48 PM
I think we all can agree on is that our batting success will be detrmined by Javed and that Mahmud should of retired after the Zim Win.

Spitfire_x86
June 16, 2005, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by Tokai
Now, everyone (including selectors) will want rana in the team. they will not realize that the next match is against australia, who has no problem playing spin. not against england who does. as a result, rana will not do good and will be blamed. but he could make a difference today.
England can easily play spinners like Rana at their home ground/conditions

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 03:50 PM
One bad game by ChaCha and all his fans should know the answer. And 10 Bad games by Alok or Ash,.... the message doesn't reaches the ears of their fans.:-/

bty after this performance by chacha, very few will cry foul if ChaCha is droped from atleaast next few ODIs in this series.

feisal
June 16, 2005, 03:52 PM
Tokai,

people wants rana primarily as a bowler.. not as a top 6 batsman..

u are already making excuses (do not have to we know how much skilled we are both in batting and fielding..), your point has a circular reasoning, do u mean that rana's bowling could have made a difference today?

cricman
June 16, 2005, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
One bad game by ChaCha and all his fans should know the answer. And 10 Bad games by Alok or Ash,.... the message doesn't reaches the ears of their fans.:-/

bty after this performance by chacha, very few will cry foul if ChaCha is droped from atleaast next few ODIs in this series.

Alok and Ash skills are not deterating due to age. If ChaCha wants to be back in form he should get into better shape like lara is at the age of 37

feisal
June 16, 2005, 03:58 PM
Fazal,

ash and kapali was or is young.. and both has performed at top level..

to certian extent, chacha did too... but that is along time ago.. Not that I am against chacha..unlike most of the thread writer (ref: Ram chand goala.issue..), I have seen him playing at under 19 level.. so i have followed his career from day 1.. and know as much as anyone what he has contributed in the past.. and feel sad at his present position.. but he has himself to blame for such a situation...

plus can u be specific? what is good match and what is bad match in your book? chachar ajker performance was not a bad performance..it was something more..

10 bad games..is that an expression??

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by feisal
do u mean that rana's bowling could have made a difference today?

What do you mean by difference? Change of result? More Respectable Defeat? Forget about Rana, who elso in the team is that category?

However I beleive it is highly possible that if selected Rana would have better Econ Rate than Rafique, ChaCha or Nazmul. But again we are talking about hypothitical question here. And in batting its for sure (100%) that Rana could have contributed atleast as much as Ash or ChaCha. And most likely more.;)

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:01 PM
the thing with rana is you know what ur gonna get from him. But with Ash there's that element that he could single handedly take over the game and win it for you.

Thats why u choose ash. I dont care if he bats 1st or last. But that Match-winner element is what he brings to the game.

Admit it when ash comes to the crease, theres some part of you that thinks he can save us.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 9:03 PM GMT, by cricman.

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by feisal
Fazal,

ash and kapali was or is young.. and both has performed at top level..



If you are really a fan of Ash, don't you think its better for Ash's Career to give him some break? Ask is slowly becomeing Mr. Kapali Jr. (And its not a complement).

He is still young and talented. Its better for him to come back to team with his confidence and form back.

Don't you guys realize that, you guys are ruining his career for sure.

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by feisal

10 bad games..is that an expression??

Just follow Ash's performance form last ZIB series, you will know what I mean.

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:06 PM
If you had to drop him

Drop him for the rest of this series and bring him back for SL cause maybe going back to the place where all the hype began can bring him back.

feisal
June 16, 2005, 04:07 PM
fazal,

there is no arguement about one issue: Rana should have been there in place of chacha..

and obviously scoring runs at number 8 or 9 under aloosing cause and batting number 3 is not same thing.. in opther words u cannot say that 10 runs scored by number 10 is significantly better than a duck by number 3.. Today obviously, the contribution of Rafique, and Mashrafi was not in a loosing cause...

we are just trying put aboundary condition that inclusion of Rana would have limited effect.. not mega effect as some people are portraying..

chacha is a spent force (if at all).. that does not mean that rana would have done many fold better.. but he is young and showed that he has grit.. so under the circumstance he should have been played..that is the point.

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by cricman
Admit it when ash comes to the crease, theres some part of you that thinks he can save us.

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 9:03 PM GMT, by cricman.

Trust me, unlike some people, at the end opf the day, I support and root for their success (even Ash, Rajin, Monir, Rana, ChaCha, or Dinken). When play starts , whoever is palying is pointless, we support for their success; for each of them. I care less about individual players or the fate of my prediction (so that I can say 'I said so'). Team performance is important to me, no thing else.

So ofcouse if Ash perform I will celebrate. I will also celebrate if ChaCha, Rana, Mr. X or My Y performs for the team also.


Edited on, June 16, 2005, 9:27 PM GMT, by Fazal.

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:14 PM
if we had rana instead of Mahmoud

we'd get a score at least of 230+ just for thwe fact that he'd add at leat 15 runs and stay in the crease long enough for Mashrafe to get to a 50 possibly .

Also the eng innings would last for another 5-10 more overs.

feisal
June 16, 2005, 04:15 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
Originally posted by feisal

10 bad games..is that an expression??

Just follow Ash's performance form last ZIB series, you will know what I mean.

*** i do not have to.. i remember his entire career... you will only be humbled if i count ten one day innings.. zimba was just a one series.. i was in dhaka during India series.. his small innings of 20 odds with two sixes changed the mode of entire match that we won.. by looking at the quality of your previous post i thought u care to go beyond what is reported in the scoreboard..

left arm off spinner..first delivery faced, going down the wicket.. and six over cover point..this is the stuff that would have made viv richards proud.. (top players did that to some bowlers but they go over extra cover.. how much late u have to play to post it there)


another thing u are not making difference between "bad" performance and "nightmarish" performance.....

Peace.. and hope we do better in saturday..

** like you humor about topform/kapali.. and duburer ful..

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:16 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
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Edited on, June 16, 2005, 9:03 PM GMT, by cricman.

Team performance is important to me, no thing else.
team also. [/quote]

Team did pretty good considering getting 1/3 out of ash pilot and ChaCha.

Fazal
June 16, 2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by feisal
fazal,

and obviously scoring runs at number 8 or 9 under aloosing cause and batting number 3 is not same thing.. in opther words u cannot say that 10 runs scored by number 10 is significantly better than a duck by number 3.. Today obviously, the contribution of Rafique, and Mashrafi was not in a loosing cause...


I know what you mean. But respectfully I disagree a bit in that aspect. Specially in ODI, for me every runs counts whether it comes from #1 or #11. Also If I have a choice, I would rather trade a player's hundres for 10 more extra team total score. I see Team first and I see every runs count in ODI regardless from where its comming.

I guess you disagee. But thats ok.

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:19 PM
I hope Alok kick's A** when the A team plays vs counties. I'm sure were gonna play full strength countie teams.

cricman
June 16, 2005, 04:22 PM
will we ever see a game were everybody puts it all together. Ashraful, Bashar, Nafees,Mashrafe,rafique.
we.ve seen them play brilliant innings individualy but not all of them together.

feisal
June 16, 2005, 04:46 PM
[I know what you mean. But respectfully I disagree a bit in that aspect. Specially in ODI, for me every runs counts whether it comes from #1 or #11. Also If I have a choice, I would rather trade a player's hundres for 10 more extra team total score. I see Team first and I see every runs count in ODI regardless from where its comming.

I guess you disagee. But thats ok. [/quote]

** i got your point.. agreeing/disagreeing is ok..

but probably i did not make myself clear.. everyrun obviously counts.. but i was referring those situation, where we are chasing 250 or 300 and then become 60/6... in that situation number 8 will score 20/30 and that will be naturally more than what number 3/4 has scored.. but that is the example of something after alost cause..those are easy to get as there is no pressure. it has some intangible value thought as it saves you from humiliation..


for example the innings of gillespei/lee took australia upto 79... .
also, getting a decent score at 7/8 does not mean that person can score that many as a top order.. and that is why sometimes a top order score cannnot be compared with alower order score.. but all depends on context. sometimes a lower order score in more valuable if u are running out of partner..

*** on a sorry note, could u see today's match.. chacha's dismissal was comical.. and i heard so was his no balls in the first over..

m35helal
June 16, 2005, 04:46 PM
I like the first batting lineup....but what is the use.....to have some English batsmen out, we have to score may be 3/4 hundred runs which is impossbile...

Mueid
June 16, 2005, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by cricman
will we ever see a game were everybody puts it all together. Ashraful, Bashar, Nafees,Mashrafe,rafique.
we.ve seen them play brilliant innings individualy but not all of them together.
go to bed and close ur eyes. u might get lucky.

amra_korbo_joy
June 16, 2005, 05:41 PM
Originally posted by Tokai
Now, everyone (including selectors) will want rana in the team. they will not realize that the next match is against australia, who has no problem playing spin. not against england who does. as a result, rana will not do good and will be blamed. but he could make a difference today.

yor are correct. Selectors are sleeping ......

James90
June 16, 2005, 05:48 PM
Javed
Nafis
Tushar
Bashar
Aftab
Rana
Mashud
Rafique (Last chance)
Mashrafe
Tapash
Nazmul (Last chance)

kashful
June 16, 2005, 05:58 PM
I dont think Taposh will do any good, Asraful do play well but why he is doing like this?

rana
June 16, 2005, 06:10 PM
My team are ,

1-nafis
2-aftab
3-javed
4-rofic
5-bashar
6-ASH or RANA
7-masud
8-masrafi
9-nazmul or taposh

Edited on, June 16, 2005, 11:10 PM GMT, by rana.

rana
June 16, 2005, 06:13 PM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Javed
Nafis
Tushar
Bashar
Aftab
Rana
Mashud
Rafique (Last chance)
Mashrafe
Tapash
Nazmul (Last chance)



why Rofic last chance? his doing great

James90
June 16, 2005, 06:29 PM
Doing great? He's taken 1 wicket in this whole tour and has hardly looked threatening.

opening_batsman
June 16, 2005, 07:42 PM
Aftab is a better bowler than Chacha, and Chacha is a specialist bowler, he is not up to it and lets the team down, 39 runs conceded in 3 overs is shameful, botham and the other commenater's were laughing at chacha's bouncer's at 70mph, it was embrassing.

My team for second ODI

Javed
Nafis
Rajin
Tushar
Bashar
Aftab
Mashud
Rafique
Mashrafe
Tapash
Nazmul

Rubu
June 16, 2005, 07:58 PM
I'd like to make a few changes for Saturday game.

Both Rajin and Ash need a break. they are two of the best batsman bangladesh ever had and I like them. But at this moment, they are so much out of sort that its a torture for the team and for them, if we keep playing them like this. So, change Ash for rana. I know many of you will jump on me right away but to me, all it matters is scoring runs. even more importantly, building partnership. he might not score big but will brings things together and provide good support to build a partnership. we need him. then, keep chacha out for the next 4 matches and bring taposh in. we need to play mahmud chacha on the 6th as he said he will retire after this series. that way he will be able to retire properly.

My Team

<ol>
<li>Javed Omar
<li>Nafis Iqbal
<li><b>Aftab Ahmed</b>
<li>Tushar Imran
<li>Habibul Bashar
<li>Manjarul Rana
<li>Khaled Masud
<li>Mohammad Rafique
<li>Mashrafee Mortaza
<li>Taposh Baisya
<li>Nazmul Hossain
</ol>

PoorFan
June 16, 2005, 11:55 PM
I think only one change should be made which is Tapash/Rana in place of Chacha. We need some runs on the board first, and thinking about bowl is second. So we need off form Ash in the team too. That's why we need to change a little in batting order. However the result could be the same as usual, but what else can we do only with Rajin, Shahriar, Tapash, Rana, Chacha left in hand?

1. Javed Omar
2. Nafis Iqbal
3. Tushar Imran
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Aftab Ahmed
6. Mohammod Ashraful
7. Khaled Masud
8. Mohammad Rafique
9. Mashrafee Mortaza
10. Taposh Baisya/Rana[only change in place of Chacha]
11. Nazmul Hossain

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 4:55 AM GMT, by PoorFan.

AussieBloke
June 17, 2005, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
My Team

<ol>
<li>Javed Omar
<li>Nafis Iqbal
<li><b>Aftab Ahmed</b>
<li>Tushar Imran
<li>Habibul Bashar
<li>Manjarul Rana
<li>Khaled Masud
<li>Mohammad Rafique
<li>Mashrafee Mortaza
<li>Taposh Baisya
<li>Nazmul Hossain
</ol>

I like the formation of the team. The only problem is we have to protect our most inform batsman "Aftab". He may be in the form of his life, but by the look of yesterday's game, if he is out cheaply the next match, I dont think the rest of the team at the moment can pick up the pieces. So I would not rush in to put him in number 3 position. I would rather have him as a solid backup at number 4. I would instead elevate someone else to number 3. My bet would be on Bashar, lead from the front. Ppl may argue that the best batsman need to be at position 3. True when you have other inform batsmen to follow. But we dont have that luxury. As we tend to always lose wickets in chunks, losing Aftab early in the innings would not be a good move.

thebest
June 17, 2005, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by AussieBloke
Originally posted by AgentSmith
My Team

<ol>
<li>Javed Omar
<li>Nafis Iqbal
<li><b>Aftab Ahmed</b>
<li>Tushar Imran
<li>Habibul Bashar
<li>Manjarul Rana
<li>Khaled Masud
<li>Mohammad Rafique
<li>Mashrafee Mortaza
<li>Taposh Baisya
<li>Nazmul Hossain
</ol>

I like the formation of the team. The only problem is we have to protect our most inform batsman "Aftab". He may be in the form of his life, but by the look of yesterday's game, if he is out cheaply the next match, I dont think the rest of the team at the moment can pick up the pieces. So I would not rush in to put him in number 3 position. I would rather have him as a solid backup at number 4. I would instead elevate someone else to number 3. My bet would be on Bashar, lead from the front. Ppl may argue that the best batsman need to be at position 3. True when you have other inform batsmen to follow. But we dont have that luxury. As we tend to always lose wickets in chunks, losing Aftab early in the innings would not be a good move.
I agree

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 7:42 AM GMT, by thebest.

nsd3
June 17, 2005, 03:17 AM
We have been thinking of the pitch condition and taking pacers in the team at the expense of one spinner. We could go back to our previous combination of 2 pacers- 2 spinners- 1 all rounder. That means Spinners will be Rafiq and Rana; Pacers are Mashrafi and Nazmul, Allrounder is Aftab. We could focus where we are good at (take extra spinner). Taking pacers in pace friendly conditions even is making the bowlers look ordinary. So let's think about a team that comprises the following:

1) Javed
2) Nafis
3) Aftab
4) Bashar
5) Ashraful (we need to learn to have faith on him now because this is a crisis situation and he showed what he cud do b4)
6) Tushar
7) Rana
8) Rafiq
9) Pilot
10) Mashrafi
11) Nazmul (he proved ok in the practice matches, we can't do what we did to Bulbul and others b4)

sasharif
June 17, 2005, 05:28 AM
I will give Mahmud another chance before calling Tapash back. Let us be rational. Every one awas thrushed in this match. Tapash does not have great form at this moment. Obviously I will bring Rana. I will bring him instead of Ashraful or Tushar. I am more inclined of retaining Ashraful for another match to see if he can recover. At least once in a while he is capable of scoring a big innings. Well, Tushar scored 10, did it matter in the context of the match. He never had a big score against quality teams. On teh other hand Ashraful could be used for a few overs of bowling variations (if only Bashar was a bit more innovative). Last night, when the bowling attack was so clueless, he could have been given a chance. Many a times ocassional bowlers are known to be able to break an established partnership.

Ahmed_B
June 17, 2005, 05:31 AM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Doing great? He's taken 1 wicket in this whole tour and has hardly looked threatening.
Mate... Rafiq is a valuable batsm for the team in ODI... not just a bowler!! The way our Top Order score runs .... we can't.. we absolutely can't keep someone like Rafiq out of the team if we want our team to cross 150 runs mark!!

BTW... about the 1 wicket thing... well.. we all know that spinners can't do much in this tour.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 10:37 AM GMT, by crickethorizon.

mahbubH
June 17, 2005, 06:29 AM
BTW... about the 1 wicket thing... well.. we all know that spinners can't do much in this tour....

if the opponent does not have a Matin.

Edited on, June 17, 2005, 11:30 AM GMT, by sports_fan_bd.

Red Cherry
June 17, 2005, 06:38 AM
Originally posted by roaring tigerz
my only change would be to bring in rana for chacha.my team according to batting order is:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain

I would play Taposh in place of Manzarul. We need atleast 3 seamers to prevent opposition from scoring 400 runs.

James90
June 17, 2005, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by crickethorizon
BTW... about the 1 wicket thing... well.. we all know that spinners can't do much in this tour.

What's your point, cos that was mine. He can't do much this tour and hence shouldn't be in the team. I'm not calling him a has-been he's been disappointing this series and has failed to be effective in any way. You're saying they should play him as a specialist batsman and just bowl him when needed? Like Aftab?

Rubu
June 17, 2005, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by Red Cherry
I would play Taposh in place of Manzarul. We need atleast 3 seamers to prevent opposition from scoring 400 runs.

prevent or help?

Sam
June 17, 2005, 09:23 AM
nsd3, your team is fine, but I want to bring Pilot at #7 after Tushar.

DotBall
June 17, 2005, 09:35 AM
Why Play Aftab at #3 ???

Aftab is playing like a batsman with maturity. He is capable of playing in any position but currently he is playing very well at 6 and he can be moved to 5 if our selectors choose to drop Ash. It will not be wise to send Aftab openning or 3. Playing in those position requires some getting used to new ball. A new ball does a lot of things than a 15-20 over old ball. (BTW, Aftab's 82* inning against ZIM can not be uses to set the standard because in our pitches there is alomost nothing for pacers)

Aftab can bat better in 4-5-6 successfully now and in the future but putting in openning or in #3 will not be a good move at all.

Sorry
June 17, 2005, 09:49 AM
sky sports news says bd is unlikely to change their team against australia.

Rubu
June 17, 2005, 09:59 AM
Darn. did any of the selectors got bribed to do sabotage so that bd looses its international status? so many self destructive steps had been taken lately that it really makes me wonder.

mahbubH
June 17, 2005, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by banglar_dorbesh
sky sports news says bd is unlikely to change their team against australia.
It is really a news. So what was the problem in the last match then? Taposh in place of Chacha is a no-brainer.

Sorry
June 17, 2005, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by sports_fan_bd
Originally posted by banglar_dorbesh
sky sports news says bd is unlikely to change their team against australia.
It is really a news. So what was the problem in the last match then? Taposh in place of Chacha is a no-brainer.
although i agree with you to replace chacha with taposh or manju, i am afraid we are gonna be thrashed again against australia. we simply don't have the quality to match aussies. i don't know how much difference it will make if the players play with a fighting spirit. but that would be good to see.

Zobair
June 17, 2005, 10:55 AM
I have to agree but I would change the batting order slightly. Aftab is in good form, and if he gets out early it will severely dent the confidence of the team. Also its not that easy to suddenly change positions from number 6 position to a number 3 position. I am against promoting batsmen who haven't played at least 30 odd ODIs to the crucial number 3 position regardless of how well they are doing especially in testing conditions because it can really damage the confidence of the player if things go wrong. As a friend of mine said that perhaps we should try Aftab at number 3 position in our next few home series and if he continues to do well he can make the position his own. But he certainly shouldn't be just put there coz "no one else is doing well" for his own sake and for the long term future of the team. So I would like to see the following line up:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain

In other words, Aftab is promoted to number 5 and will have a specialist batsman to come in after him in the form of Ashraful (who is a natural number 6 to me) and then Pilot as well. Tushar looked pretty comfortable against the pace and bounce and I thought was unlucky to get out the way he did. He got on top of the bounce but was fractionally late. He has decent technique but more importantly looks to take singles where ever he can even though he is quite capable of hitting the BIG ones. He looks like he can handle the number 3 position. Bashar should come in at 4, and play his natural game.

Rana should definitely come in for Shujon. I don't know how many of you watched the match live but as far as I am concerned Shujon is past it. He looked ragged, broken and completely out of it. He never looked like taking a wicket, and the batsmen just toyed with him. I shudder to think what some one like Hayden, or Gilchrist or Ponting or Symonds or Martyn can do to poor Shujon. Aftab on the other hand had better line and length, and he can be expected to bowl out 10 overs for 50 odd runs (or even less) and this is what we should be expecting from him as the 5th bowler. Rafique and Rana will definitely add to our bowling and our batting so we should y play both. Nazmul was off-colour yesterday but he can bowl better. So I would give him many more chances. Most importantly, our bowlers need to bowl to the plan and not change their line or length ever time they are hit for a boundary. Poor Bashar had to keep changing his field settings coz the bowlers were all over the place.

Originally posted by roaring tigerz
my only change would be to bring in rana for chacha.my team according to batting order is:

Javed Omar
Nafis Iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Tushar Imran
Habibul Bashar
Mohammed Ashraful
Khaled Mashud
Manzarul Islam
Mohammed Rafique
Mashrafee Mortza
Nazmul Hosain



Edited on, June 17, 2005, 4:22 PM GMT, by pompous.

dihan
June 17, 2005, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by feisal

also, getting a decent score at 7/8 does not mean that person can score that many as a top order.. and that is why sometimes a top order score cannnot be compared with alower order score.. but all depends on context. sometimes a lower order score in more valuable if u are running out of partner..



True. good exmple can be our own Khaled Masud.

Ajay Jadeja of India was a decent number six batsman. But when he was tried as a top order batsman, he failed because he just couldn't play the new ball.

BanglaCool
June 18, 2005, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I would give Khaled Mahmud another match before hammering the last nail of his career.

that should be the last match of the series, when we have nothing more to lose :)

BanglaCool
June 18, 2005, 02:46 AM
I would give Ashraful a chance at opening, taking off nafis, this once and play tushar at 4.
Jo 1
Ash 2
Bashar 3,
Tushar 4
Aftab 5,
Rana 6,
Rafique 7,
Pilot 8,
Mashrafe 9,
Tapash 10
Nazmul 11

I like this team already