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AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 01:59 PM
<a href = "http://content.cricinfo.com/natwestseries/content/story/211408.html">Link</a>

See the answer to the last question. I think he's right. We do need a change. I dunno what he's thinking of, but Iqbal hasn't been having a good time on this tour, and i think we should give him a break for a couple of matches. We could bring in Rajin to open the batting i guess.

Edited on, June 18, 2005, 7:00 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 8:33 PM GMT, by razabq.
Reason: Merged two similar threads - putting the other headline in here

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 01:59 PM
or maybe replace imran with rana :P

Akib
June 18, 2005, 02:03 PM
I thin we need to give Iqbal a rest and try some one else. I dunno about Imran but i think Ash and Bashar should stay where they are.

ReckmyBack
June 18, 2005, 02:06 PM
Don't change Tushar Imran , What for ? His innings was the insperation to get a platform .

TheWatcher
June 18, 2005, 02:06 PM
I think Iqbal and Aftab should swap places in batting order.

TheWatcher
June 18, 2005, 02:09 PM
I don't see any reason to drop Tushar now. He seems to be in good touch, only needs to guard himself from overconfidence.

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 02:12 PM
hehe...relax guys...i was j/k about imran.

but i do think we may as well rest iqbal for a few matches and give rajin a bat. his record at the top in odi's isn't that bad.

PoorFan
June 18, 2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
or maybe replace imran with rana :P
No way!!!!!
Nafees could be change by Rajin as you said. Rest of the team should be the same.

capslock
June 18, 2005, 02:13 PM
If anyone it will be Nafees Iqbal, although I would not change a winning team.

BangladeshFan
June 18, 2005, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I don't see any reason to drop Tushar now. He seems to be in good touch, only needs to guard himself from overconfidence.

batting is ok. just drop nazmul for rana. it will add batting depth and also stronger bowling.

Rubu
June 18, 2005, 02:16 PM
I HIGHLY oppose changing nafis with anyone at this moment. sure he did not score many runs. but he has been good support for JO and togather they managed to stop the innitial collaspe of bangladesh at the opening. they spend the time there and make the ball old and let other do the job. if we change nafis now, the same picture will come back. let it the way it is now.

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 02:18 PM
Edited on, June 18, 2005, 7:19 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.
drop nazmul? you nuts? :)

Edited on, June 18, 2005, 7:20 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Sham
June 18, 2005, 02:19 PM
Tushar is doing fine. But Asif was joking anyway.

I think it will be Nafees as well, probably for Rajin or even his namesake. The problem with Nafees is, although he has looked in pretty good touch, he gets out in the same way. He tries to score runs by trying to guide the ball to third man, and he gets out by edging it to slip in trying to do that. On a good pitch when the ball isn't doing much, that can be an effective way to score easy runs. But in the first ten overs against the new ball, that is always going to be a risky shot and he just doesnt seem to learn.

Samir (creep) started a thread about playing percentage cricket a few weeks ago. Nafees needs to understand that the shot he is playing to get out is not a percentage shot for him at all.

Rubu
June 18, 2005, 02:20 PM
Not nazmul, but taposh is a better idea. even though he got 3 wickets the was the worst bowler of the day. and if the pitch keeps supporting spinners like today, rana should definitely be in.

BangladeshFan
June 18, 2005, 02:30 PM
taposh was expensive because he was bowling noballs. but nazmul is useless. the one he got hayden with was an inside edge. he doesnt have pace or movement. rana will be far more effective against aus/england batsman

Duck
June 18, 2005, 02:40 PM
Guys...dont be so impatient again...............There are two spots to take care:
(1) Opener (Nafees Iqbal)
(2) Bowlers
I believe Dav and Shumon will stick together the latest batting line up. And for the bowlers....it will be decided after seeing the pitch. Does anyone know where will be our next match?

allrounder
June 18, 2005, 02:48 PM
Dav should bring change to all the players' batting technique, its horrible to watch most of these batsmen. I am surprised how in 4/5 years we have not yet made much progress in working on our basic batting flaws. There was hardly any striaght drives today.

DJ Sahastra
June 18, 2005, 02:49 PM
If anything stopped Aussies from reaching 300+ score, it was the 3 early wickets.

You can argue at length on "who was expensive", "who was economocal" and all, but had it not been for a few crucial wickets at crucial times, none of the BD bowlers would've escaped being economical.

Gilchrist, Ponting, Hayden - if either had gotten stuck in the middle, Aussies would've breached the 300 mark with ease.

Ehsan
June 18, 2005, 02:52 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Not nazmul, but taposh is a better idea. even though he got 3 wickets the was the worst bowler of the day. and if the pitch keeps supporting spinners like today, rana should definitely be in.

I do not support your idea. Tapash was expensive because it was not too ideal for bowling and also because of his no balls. Namul's often full toss are CRAPS, gave away too many runs in that. But I would keep both of them in the team now, so no chance for chacha. :)

Shish Ahmed
June 18, 2005, 02:54 PM
The only change that will be made is Rana in for Nazmul against England.

PoorFan
June 18, 2005, 02:56 PM
I dont like to change our bowling lineup even though Tapash was bit expensive. We need Mashree, Tapash and Nazmul to bowl with Rafiq. As a metter of fact we should play with wining team. No achange is needed at this moment.

Sham
June 18, 2005, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by ehsan
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Not nazmul, but taposh is a better idea. even though he got 3 wickets the was the worst bowler of the day. and if the pitch keeps supporting spinners like today, rana should definitely be in.

I do not support your idea. Tapash was expensive because it was not too ideal for bowling and also because of his no balls. Namul's often full toss are CRAPS, gave away too many runs in that. But I would keep both of them in the team now, so no chance for chacha. :)

Actually, Taposh's was a bit unlucky as well. His no-balls were criminal, and I suggest he figures out a way to count his run-up better before the next match. But also, he had to bowl to Hayden when Hayden decided to break lose! Bowlers ten times better than him are left looking just as hopeless when that occurs. Also, he got Hayden caught at mid-off, but again, the no-ball was the culprit. That shouldn't have happened, he should have had that wicket.

As for Nazmul, he bowled two very different spells today. He was accurate in the first spell, and like I wrote yesterday, he will always be okay when he is spot on in terms of accuracy. In the last overs, he started giving away high full-tosses. Now, trying to bowl yorkers is one thing, but bowling hip length full tosses is another. Again, Nazmul doesn't have any weapons, and I still maintain that he is a nothing bowler. But he bowls accurate spells, which is why he gets picked in the ODI team. However, he is not the man for the end overs. Bashar should have probably bowled him through straight and kept Taposh and Mashrafe for the end overs. Even though Taposh bowled a couple of wide ones, he was still more on the mark than Nazmul's full tosses (barring the annoying no-balls of course, that really has to stop).

Mueid
June 18, 2005, 03:07 PM
spot on DJ. it was due to those early wickets that we restricted the aussies, who cares if taposh was expensive!!

mahbubH
June 18, 2005, 03:20 PM
I want to see the same team in the next team at least. Yes Nafees should get another chance.

Bat-PadTogether
June 18, 2005, 05:20 PM
Just a change!Bring Rana instead of Nazmul!

amim
June 18, 2005, 05:57 PM
Tapash was the worst bowler no doubt. His genuine wicket was against Ponting. Other 2 wickets would have fallen anyhow as they were trying to score quickly at the end.

Ponting was over confident and he wanted to bat first and bat 50 full overs because he probably thought if bd batted first they will finish the game inside 30 overs but trust me Australia dominance will be diminished thout Lee.

Taposh is much better than Sujon. Sujon is not even medium pace. So we needed to have 4 specialist bowlers in those conditions. I was impressed with Aftab conceeding only 48 runs. That was the difference as well.

We won because Ashraful scored his 1st ODI century and that;s 2nd 100 in the history of BD. So it's not everyday that we have ODI centurymakers in our team unlike India or Pakistan. So until we do that we will not win matches on a consistent basis.

But this is the greatest day for BD cricket.

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
If anything stopped Aussies from reaching 300+ score, it was the 3 early wickets.

You can argue at length on "who was expensive", "who was economocal" and all, but had it not been for a few crucial wickets at crucial times, none of the BD bowlers would've escaped being economical.

Gilchrist, Ponting, Hayden - if either had gotten stuck in the middle, Aussies would've breached the 300 mark with ease.

Rubayed
June 18, 2005, 06:04 PM
I would advocate for not changing anything and stick with the winning team and give Nafees another chance.

Sham
June 18, 2005, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by Rubayed
I would advocate for not changing anything and stick with the winning team and give Nafees another chance.

Same here. No need for changes to this team. Nafees didn't really pull his weight but no point unsettling our opening combination at this point.

sham1980
June 18, 2005, 08:56 PM
I dunno Nafees has not been confident at all.... But nor has Rajin ? So What is Dav saying ? If I am reading his mind he wants another bowler for England Match meaning Rana... so who goes out? Can only be Iqbal then I guess he will chnage the batting... Will Manjural open ? or will he let Aftab Open OR Rafqiue ?

rafiq
June 18, 2005, 09:12 PM
I love armchair quarterbacks or openers or whatever the right terminology is. Here we are, having recorded the greatest upset in the history of ODI cricket, and one of the greatest sporting upsets ever. Yet we are chopping and changing the team!

Whatmore's comment, if you followed it closely, was that they had thought of some practise time tomorrow for the reserves as one changed had been planned BEFORE the Australia game. The change was just part of a rotation policy to give others a chance to play, so with the exception of Sujon any of the other three reserves could be in the next game. I agree with some here that it could have been either Nafees or Rajin for Iqbal.

But having just beaten the world champions, it would seem very odd to change this team just for the sake of changing it. The people who are criticizing Tapash and Nazmul, did you even see the game? Going for 60 agaimst Australia is not a big deal at all, but these guys got crucial wickets. I think Tapash should have been used instead of Nazmul at the death, but anyone would have been hit. Nazmul may be a nothing bowler but we need 3 pacers and unfortunately there aren't any more on the squad! If you want Rana then perhaps Rafique should be dropped since he doesn't take wickets anymore, right?

ReckmyBack
June 18, 2005, 09:23 PM
If Tapash was expensive still the highest wicket takers in those 2 matches . We already won the match . It doesn't matter who was expensive or not . Ofcourse it was Ashraful . Ponting and Hayden . The best players in the world . Also can't forget the Six from Aftab in last over of Gillespie . That's a great show.

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 09:26 PM
but whatmore did say he still had "that" in mind. now was he talking about the practice session or the change? :)

the latter, definitely

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 2:30 AM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.
Reason: "that", not "it", to be more precise :)

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 2:30 AM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

TheWatcher
June 18, 2005, 09:26 PM
Rafiq, you missed the line where DW said he still think there will be change, even after this emphatic win-
I had planned a little training session for the reserves with the view of making one change before the next match - and I still think that will happen.

rafiq
June 18, 2005, 09:30 PM
Watcher, yes I remember that and so if it does happen, it may be nafis as people have discussed. But I am wary of changing a team after a win such as this unless there is compelling reason - the opening spot may be. But, our bowling reserves aren't any better. Rana can be economical and I'd love to see him on the team, but I think the idea to drop any of the 3 pacers to take him is rubbish, unless it is very much a spinning wicket which I doubt that it is.

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 09:32 PM
i dont think dropping any of the pacers would be a good idea either. all three have done a gr8 job and should be there in the next match. people who are talking about dropping nazmul/tapash have had too much champagne after the victory :)

rafiq
June 18, 2005, 09:32 PM
and if rana can be taken as a spinner, why isn't enamul haque jr on this team?

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 2:33 AM GMT, by rafiq.

crazyisland
June 18, 2005, 09:35 PM
JO and Mushfiqur Rahim should open.

AsifTheManRahman
June 18, 2005, 09:36 PM
and shanto can open the bowling.

cricket_pagla
June 18, 2005, 11:19 PM
mayb itz.. AFTAB.. just kidding!:lol:

Dhakablues
June 19, 2005, 03:19 AM
The Change.-> Nafis Iqbal; Opt for Rajin/Nafees/Manzar

RazabQ
June 19, 2005, 03:32 AM
Actually if you read the DS article, BD was all set to use a 2nd spinner - presumably Rana. If Briston turns out to be a typical ODI pitch we very well may see either Nazmul or Tapash (my money's on Nazmul) being replaced by Rana. Frankly that's not a bad idea. Also Rajin coming in for Nafis isn't that bad either because we get the option of Rajin's off-spin.

TheWatcher
June 19, 2005, 03:44 AM
After the match, Whatmore told BBC that our players should have restricted Aussies within 25-20 fewer runs. That tells me that he is not happy with either Taposh or Nazmul. I have not seen bowling of Bangladesh today, but from number of wickets and opinions of some posts, it seems Nazmul was the worst of the two. Replacing him with Rana will also make the tail longer.

Rajin and Abir both are given few chances this tour, both of them did a big nothing. So, even though Iqbal is struggling at this point, I don't see any threat to his position in the team.

salin
June 19, 2005, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
hehe...relax guys...i was j/k about imran.

but i do think we may as well rest iqbal for a few matches and give rajin a bat. his record at the top in odi's isn't that bad.

Again Rajin?? Joking or what?
Imran was batting extremely well.... if you watch the match it was a stunning catch

Mr-khan
June 19, 2005, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by salin
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
hehe...relax guys...i was j/k about imran.

but i do think we may as well rest iqbal for a few matches and give rajin a bat. his record at the top in odi's isn't that bad.

Again Rajin?? Joking or what?
Imran was batting extremely well.... if you watch the match it was a stunning catch
No need to change this winning combination.Tushar is doing well,so no chance for Rajin.He has got enough chances.

salin
June 19, 2005, 04:16 AM
[i]
batting is ok. just drop nazmul for rana. it will add batting depth and also stronger bowling.

:up::up: Only place we can think about.... Against England he failed terribly

salin
June 19, 2005, 04:21 AM
[i]Originally posted by mr-khan
No need to change this winning combination.Tushar is doing well,so no chance for Rajin.He has got enough chances.

:up::up::up:;)

BangladeshFan
June 19, 2005, 05:38 AM
iqbal hasnt played well but he is still far better than rajin or other nafis as opener.

but against england i like to see rana. and that is in place of nazmul. what is the use of 3 pacers when u know 3rd one wont be doign anything? these batsmen like pacers and especially someone like nazmul who would struggle to get into a second string county team. he doesnt have pace or movement and never going to trouble international batsmen. u saw how australian batsmen respected rafiq. rana would have got similar figures. not to mention his lower order batting. comeon dav use your sense!

Right_Way
June 19, 2005, 06:10 AM
I dont see any reason why would drop Nazmul. I just think he needs to bowl in one spell and finish up his 10 overs. He starts bowling bad in second spell. He bowled excellent in first spells in both games.


Originally posted by salin
[i]
batting is ok. just drop nazmul for rana. it will add batting depth and also stronger bowling.

:up::up: Only place we can think about.... Against England he failed terribly

abu_akif
June 19, 2005, 06:50 AM
Bring Rajin instead of Nafees Iqbal..

Shish Ahmed
June 19, 2005, 06:54 AM
The only change i can see happening in the match against England is Rana in for Nazmul.

The reason being England play our seamers really well. So the thinking must be to have 2 spinners and try and stem the run flow that why.

It may even be Rana in for Nafis Iqbal.

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 11:56 AM GMT, by SHISH AHMED.

BanglaCool
June 19, 2005, 06:58 AM
Originally posted by allrounder
Dav should bring change to all the players' batting technique, its horrible to watch most of these batsmen. I am surprised how in 4/5 years we have not yet made much progress in working on our basic batting flaws. There was hardly any striaght drives today.

I guess it's a better batting show than umm..err Australia.
Do you mind?

BanglaCool
June 19, 2005, 07:07 AM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by ehsan
Originally posted by AgentSmith
Not nazmul, but taposh is a better idea. even though he got 3 wickets the was the worst bowler of the day. and if the pitch keeps supporting spinners like today, rana should definitely be in.

I do not support your idea. Tapash was expensive because it was not too ideal for bowling and also because of his no balls. Namul's often full toss are CRAPS, gave away too many runs in that. But I would keep both of them in the team now, so no chance for chacha. :)

Actually, Taposh's was a bit unlucky as well. His no-balls were criminal, and I suggest he figures out a way to count his run-up better before the next match. But also, he had to bowl to Hayden when Hayden decided to break lose! Bowlers ten times better than him are left looking just as hopeless when that occurs. Also, he got Hayden caught at mid-off, but again, the no-ball was the culprit. That shouldn't have happened, he should have had that wicket.

As for Nazmul, he bowled two very different spells today. He was accurate in the first spell, and like I wrote yesterday, he will always be okay when he is spot on in terms of accuracy. In the last overs, he started giving away high full-tosses. Now, trying to bowl yorkers is one thing, but bowling hip length full tosses is another. Again, Nazmul doesn't have any weapons, and I still maintain that he is a nothing bowler. But he bowls accurate spells, which is why he gets picked in the ODI team. However, he is not the man for the end overs. Bashar should have probably bowled him through straight and kept Taposh and Mashrafe for the end overs. Even though Taposh bowled a couple of wide ones, he was still more on the mark than Nazmul's full tosses (barring the annoying no-balls of course, that really has to stop).

Tapash was the\culprit, No-ball was an excuse. You can't blame anyone else than the bowler for his consistent No-balls. How many has anyone else produced?

BTW sham, I was interested to learn about the jublilations of the Bangalee community in England, as well as curious if our winning players are being naughty with the celebratons. I saw ash insisting bashar to shake-up the champagne bottle when he received that.

BanglaCool
June 19, 2005, 07:10 AM
Originally posted by amim
Tapash was the worst bowler no doubt. His genuine wicket was against Ponting. Other 2 wickets would have fallen anyhow as they were trying to score quickly at the end.

Ponting was over confident and he wanted to bat first and bat 50 full overs because he probably thought if bd batted first they will finish the game inside 30 overs but trust me Australia dominance will be diminished thout Lee.

Taposh is much better than Sujon. Sujon is not even medium pace. So we needed to have 4 specialist bowlers in those conditions. I was impressed with Aftab conceeding only 48 runs. That was the difference as well.

We won because Ashraful scored his 1st ODI century and that;s 2nd 100 in the history of BD. So it's not everyday that we have ODI centurymakers in our team unlike India or Pakistan. So until we do that we will not win matches on a consistent basis.

But this is the greatest day for BD cricket.

Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
If anything stopped Aussies from reaching 300+ score, it was the 3 early wickets.

You can argue at length on "who was expensive", "who was economocal" and all, but had it not been for a few crucial wickets at crucial times, none of the BD bowlers would've escaped being economical.

Gilchrist, Ponting, Hayden - if either had gotten stuck in the middle, Aussies would've breached the 300 mark with ease.
It was ashraful's day, but it could very well have been Bashar's or Aftab's day. I was not even counting ash, but still hoping to get the 250 runs at 5/po, which do not need a centurion to be present in every game.

BanglaCool
June 19, 2005, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
I love armchair quarterbacks or openers or whatever the right terminology is. Here we are, having recorded the greatest upset in the history of ODI cricket, and one of the greatest sporting upsets ever. Yet we are chopping and changing the team!

Whatmore's comment, if you followed it closely, was that they had thought of some practise time tomorrow for the reserves as one changed had been planned BEFORE the Australia game. The change was just part of a rotation policy to give others a chance to play, so with the exception of Sujon any of the other three reserves could be in the next game. I agree with some here that it could have been either Nafees or Rajin for Iqbal.

But having just beaten the world champions, it would seem very odd to change this team just for the sake of changing it. The people who are criticizing Tapash and Nazmul, did you even see the game? Going for 60 agaimst Australia is not a big deal at all, but these guys got crucial wickets. I think Tapash should have been used instead of Nazmul at the death, but anyone would have been hit. Nazmul may be a nothing bowler but we need 3 pacers and unfortunately there aren't any more on the squad! If you want Rana then perhaps Rafique should be dropped since he doesn't take wickets anymore, right?

This is a one-day, if Aussie made 249/0 or 249/10 it doesn't make any difference while Bangladesh is batting; they are still chasing 249. Before, saying Rafique should be out for his inability to take wickets in the one-day game when spinners are more often played between the gaps rather than hoicked and caught (like ash against batty), please look at the following table and then give your verdict.

Bowling O M R W
Mashrafe Mortaza 10 2 33 1 (1w)
Tapash Baisya 10 1 69 3 (8nb)
Nazmul Hossain 10 2 65 1
Mohammad Rafique 10 0 31 0 (1w)
Aftab Ahmed 10 0 48 0

BanglaCool
June 19, 2005, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
and if rana can be taken as a spinner, why isn't enamul haque jr on this team?

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 2:33 AM GMT, by rafiq.
Your premise is wrong, Rana, if taken will be because of both his bowling and batting capabilities-something that Jr. surely lacks.

ManInBlack
June 19, 2005, 07:44 AM
Not so reliable sources tell me that it'll be Shariar Nafees coming in for Nafees Iqbal

yaseer
June 19, 2005, 01:27 PM
According to Prothom-alo, Dev whatmore mentioned that there may be one change in the next game.
Is it necessary? Going with the winning combination is my suggestion.
I guess that Dev is suggesting to play Rana instead of Nazmul after Rafique bowled well yesterday.

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 19, 2005, 01:36 PM
i dont think nazmul is going to be changed. i doubt so. yes u can say nazmul only got one wicket but u have to see how he got the wicket and whose wicket he got.

yaseer
June 19, 2005, 01:41 PM
i also want this team to play........i always thought that in england you must have 3 front-line seamers

FaltuRidwanBhai
June 19, 2005, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by yaseer
i also want this team to play........i always thought that in england you must have 3 front-line seamers

true. and the seamers we have now has good coordination between them.

cricketboy
June 19, 2005, 01:52 PM
Maybe Shahriar Nafees or Rajin in for Nafees Iqbal. I would go with Shahriar since he has atleast a half century on the tour which Rajin doesnt have. But they may go for the experience. :-/

Locutus
June 19, 2005, 01:54 PM
Nazmul or Nafis iqbal might get repalced with someone else.

prasad
June 19, 2005, 01:55 PM
in todays cricket,pro active is an important term.one change surely for bd.rajin for the struggling opener.bd r missing kapali.

yaseer
June 19, 2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by cricketboy
Maybe Shahriar Nafees or Rajin in for Nafees Iqbal. I would go with Shahriar since he has atleast a half century on the tour which Rajin doesnt have. But they may go for the experience. :-/

no, going with nafees iqbal will be a good idea.........though he did not score runs........he looked solid in the 1st match and did not look bad in the 2nd match either...............he will score definitely.

yaseer
June 19, 2005, 02:04 PM
I think some of us overrating rana............i know he deserve a chance but going with 2 specialist spinner a good idea in England condition?

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 7:05 PM GMT, by yaseer.

naheyan
June 19, 2005, 03:03 PM
I wud agree with cricketboy. Yaseer....dont u think nafees is just gettin too many chances and u cant just hope n e one to score. U have to score in reality too. And the matter of lookin good, even rafique mama looked good with the bat in both the matches....shud we send him opening?
I agreee with the idea of playing shahriar nafees, giving BD a right and left hand opening combination...

AsifTheManRahman
June 19, 2005, 03:05 PM
i opened a thread on this yesterday.

TheWatcher
June 19, 2005, 03:06 PM
This is what I got from preview of an old match between India and England-

The pitch at Trent Bridge for tomorrow's game should be a belter ! But, hey bowlers, there will be something for you early on - typically English and it'll be left to see if the bowlers use it to their advantage. The stats suggest that it is good to chase on this wicket traditionally, but winning the toss and batting first shouldnt be a bad idea at all !
Source (http://www.cricketfundas.com/lanw04odi1.html)

Sounds like a batting pitch to me. So, it may not be a bad idea to include a second spinner to restrict runs.

feisal
June 19, 2005, 03:23 PM
also, Nazmul gave two maidens in the opening four fours.. the pressure was tightened.. we have to go beyong what scorecard or bowling figure suggests.. i wonder Rana will be called upon to to bowl in first fifteen.. without the third seamer we my have problem in the first fifteen..

adnan_zaman
June 19, 2005, 03:23 PM
I think Dav Whatmore might make a change.........by getting Nafis Iqbal out and having either rajin saleh or nafees ahmed in.........it would make sense, as Nafis Iqbal is struggling

RazabQ
June 19, 2005, 03:33 PM
Threads have been merged folks :)

TheWatcher
June 19, 2005, 03:39 PM
This what I got from a match report of a recent county match-
Trent Bridge has lived up to its reputation as a swinging ground and the pitch mocked Shane Warne's decision to play Shaun Udal as a second spinner in addition to himself. Not that the Australian was idle, though; watching him lead a side is a frantic exercise of imagination.

Guardian (http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/story/0,10069,1498976,00.html)

But, I still say, as an oneday pitch, it may turn out to be a batting friendly one. Also, this is a day-night match, there may not be any moisture on the pitch for seamers (if it rains before the match that's a different story). So, I vote for Rana in place of Taposh or Nazmul.

Locutus
June 19, 2005, 03:40 PM
I think Dav is thinking to get another bowler since we got smacked around by the English in the 1st match. So probably M.I. Rana.
By the way, does anyone know if Anwar Hossian Munir has gone back to Bangladesh?

AsifTheManRahman
June 19, 2005, 03:41 PM
as far as i know, all the useless pacers have gone back

Sham
June 19, 2005, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by ManInBlack
Not so reliable sources tell me that it'll be Shariar Nafees coming in for Nafees Iqbal

I have a feeling that your source is spot on.

AsifTheManRahman
June 19, 2005, 03:43 PM
....although i would like to see rajin coming in for iqbal, given his recent performances as an ODI opener.

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 8:43 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

RazabQ
June 19, 2005, 03:47 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by ManInBlack
Not so reliable sources tell me that it'll be Shariar Nafees coming in for Nafees Iqbal

I have a feeling that your source is spot on.

Well that won't do a thing to give options for the 5th bowler. We need to have some options in case Pieterson, Flintoff et all take a shining to Aftab's dibbly-dobblers. In other words, Rajin deserves a shot and his offspin is pretty handy.

Orpheus
June 19, 2005, 03:58 PM
Originally posted by razabq
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by ManInBlack
Not so reliable sources tell me that it'll be Shariar Nafees coming in for Nafees Iqbal

I have a feeling that your source is spot on.

Well that won't do a thing to give options for the 5th bowler. We need to have some options in case Pieterson, Flintoff et all take a shining to Aftab's dibbly-dobblers. In other words, Rajin deserves a shot and his offspin is pretty handy.

I just just read the last page but How does bringing in rajin in place of Nafis help? Both miserable with bat, rajin being worst. We need an attacking opener who can keep his wicket. I Think Shahriar actually scored a 48 run out in one of the practice. We can use asharaful the bowler if needed.

Orpheus
June 19, 2005, 04:05 PM
although I wouldn't chage the team. Nafis did score a cent against Eng... and Harami was there. If we are to go anywhere it got to be with the bat. Beside Mash, we got no bowler :(

Rubu
June 19, 2005, 04:06 PM
This is a dilemma to me. i don't wanna break the winning combination, but at the same time feel that taposh/nazmul are not in their best form.

RazabQ
June 19, 2005, 04:08 PM
As a noakhaila myself, I can state for a fact, never understimate a sylhoti bohe. Rajin is fighting for his cricketing life here - yet again. In Eng, attacking openeres are not needed - you need ppl to see the shine off - Rajin can do that. Plus as he showed against India, and followed up against Zim, if the pitch is conducive to strokeplay, he can have a tonk too. His fielding is worth at least 10-20 runs And as an offie he's more in control w bowling than Ash the leggie.

BangladeshFan
June 19, 2005, 06:04 PM
rajin cant take the shine off. he wont even last 5 balls. playing against zim or india in bd pitches is different story than playing england or aus in these pitches. nafis is not playing well but he still is capable and has a century against england .

rajin can be kept as 12th man, if Bd needs his fielding. as occasional spinner, ash, tushar or bashar can do the job.

Edited on, June 19, 2005, 11:06 PM GMT, by BangladeshFan.

rafiq
June 19, 2005, 10:07 PM
It would be helpful if the specialists in England can tell us about the type of wickets BD will be playinig its remaining matches in. Are there any spin friendly ones?

I am beginning to change my mind about the bowling against england. We need to do something different against them, and if there is a chance the pitch will turn maybe we should take a look at rana for nazmul. Our first change bowler will be a liability but that;s the risk. You guys who didn't see the bowling can go back and read the commentary from the beginning of the Aus game. I think the first Nazmul spell was pretty good, espcially the first 4-5 overs. Aftab is a Chacha type medium pacer and is good in overs 25-40, not as first change.

Zephaniah
June 20, 2005, 06:22 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
the type of wickets BD will be playinig its remaining matches in....


Our next match against England tomorrow will be a day-nighter in Trent-Bridge which offers traditionally a swing friendly pitch. So I'll keep the pace trio Mashrafee-Tapash-Nazmul with Aftab as 4th medium pacer. Actually this was our pace attack againt India in 2nd ODI too.

The only change I can think of is Rajin coming in for Iqbal.
None of the trio - Rajin, Iqbal & Shahriar had a single good game in this tour bar opening tour match against 'students'. Its crucial to see off England's opening spell and i guess Rajin's international career is on the line, so we can gamble on him and see if he can bounce back like he did before. His OB will offer a bit variation in bowling line-up.

Had the game not played on a pitch that conductive to swing bowling I would have liked Rana coming in instead as English players do respect good quality SLA spin bowling. But picking Rana over Nazmul would make the team not so balanced.

salin
June 20, 2005, 06:50 AM
Rajin is coming to destroy our wining spirit....... :great::great:

paco
June 20, 2005, 09:13 AM
Drop Masri for Wascoroni

BangladeshFan
June 20, 2005, 01:02 PM
playing nazmul will be injurious to health(he will give away 30 runs more than rana) and playing rajin will be suicidal(he will score another duck and make sure bd is in debacle straight away). :P

DotBall
June 20, 2005, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I think Iqbal and Aftab should swap places in batting order.

That would be suicidal.