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Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 11:43 AM
Finally.. I am fed up with Taposh. He is bowling such craps since he landed on English soil. Today he showed how worst is he . Please.. all the selection comitee.. GET This Stupid A$$ out of the team. Bring back other.. even Shanto wil bowl better than this CRAP!!:mad::mad::E:E

Edited on, June 22, 2005, 12:37 AM GMT, by Ejaj.

Zunaid
June 21, 2005, 11:59 AM
Here we go again...

SO which palyer has not yet been kicked out for one reason or the other?

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 12:03 PM
This thread was due long time.....

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:07 PM
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 12:09 PM
well. I kept faith on him.. even he bowled so bad in the firs match agaisnt BU . even in first test match I supported him in place of Talha. But.. to be very honest.. I was getting frustated with his bowling. And. today.. I am over him. i dont normally go on call ing someone to be axed. but.. today.. I am forced to say so.. and yes.. This Fr*****N Taposh Should be kicked well out of even Bd-4th String team.

Rubu
June 21, 2005, 12:09 PM
I'd not say kick out taposh, but i'd say give him a break for next 3 matches. he is not 100% fit and having a bad time. playing him is only harming him. specially against england, there is no point playing him anymore. we need spinners.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Ejaj
well. I kept faith on him.. even he bowled so bad in the firs match agaisnt BU . even in first test match I supported him in place of Talha. But.. to be very honest.. I was getting frustated with his bowling. And. today.. I am over him. i dont normally go on call ing someone to be axed. but.. today.. I am forced to say so.. and yes.. This Fr*****N Taposh Should be kicked well out of even Bd-4th String team.

man you seem really frustrated today, I don't blame you though. Never seen you like this!

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 12:14 PM
In the last match, the only wicket that Taposh earned was Ponting's, other two batsmen gave their wickets away trying to hit big. BD can't afford to keep such an out of form expensive bowler in the team. I have no doubt in my mind that Rana is coming to replace in him next match.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 12:15 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Flipper.. have you seen his bowling live or on TV today?.. God.. he diodnt look like a bowler with over 45 ODI match experirnce. He was short on length, he was bowling No balls one after another, dropping just into the danger zone again and again. He didnt bowl one single quality dot ball to any batsman and trust me.. although other bowlers were also hit today.. but. the batsman didnt even slog/played well to hit him out of the ground. I thihk.. I could also have been hiting him out of the ground atelast twice in everyover.... Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taposh.. shoudl retire. He is no more less similar to Shanto.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 12:18 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by Ejaj
well. I kept faith on him.. even he bowled so bad in the firs match agaisnt BU . even in first test match I supported him in place of Talha. But.. to be very honest.. I was getting frustated with his bowling. And. today.. I am over him. i dont normally go on call ing someone to be axed. but.. today.. I am forced to say so.. and yes.. This Fr*****N Taposh Should be kicked well out of even Bd-4th String team.

man you seem really frustrated today, I don't blame you though. Never seen you like this!

:) sorry man for my rage. I am going though the very last days of my thesis time and to see someone bowl like this................................... GRRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr................ unbelievable!!

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by Ejaj

Taposh.. shoudl retire. He is no more less similar to Shanto.


Now you're saying this completely out of the hit of the moment. Don't forget he is also suffering from injury.

al
June 21, 2005, 12:22 PM
Tapash had a bad day. You can rest him next few matches and give him time to find his form. Kicking out somebody is not a gentle way to deal with a player. he deserves some respect too although his performance today was pathetic.

bangla_amar
June 21, 2005, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Well...true he got three wickets but even then he went for almost 70 runs in a relatively low scoring game.

The genuine wicket he got was of Ponting. The rest two of Clarke and Hussey was in the slog overs.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by al
Tapash had a bad day. You can rest him next few matches and give him time to find his form. Kicking out somebody is not a gentle way to deal with a player. he deserves some respect too although his performance today was pathetic.

Exactly, Tapash is our 2nd leading wicket taker in OdI with 52 wickets! Not to mention he is still the second best pacer in test and odi overall.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 12:25 PM
Flipper.. may be you r rite. May be .. i am really wanting Taposh's head out of hit today. But. man.. I m just completely frustated.. Rana would have done so much better than him. Bad bowling from a senior bowler.. doest encourage hte juniors to bowl bad too. Just.. lack of inspiration.

anyway.. ya.. I gues.. you are rite too. Taposh needs to go back home and take some real break from all sorts of cricket for atleat a month. He is having such a nightmare in England. This thing will kill him .. if the selectors doesnt understand the necessety for his break.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by bangla_amar
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Well...true he got three wickets but even then he went for almost 70 runs in a relatively low scoring game.

The genuine wicket he got was of Ponting. The rest two of Clarke and Hussey was in the slog overs.

Man if you want to bash someone, there are millions of reasons you can easily find, but it's a cheap shot to try to take away any credit from anyone.

Like I said, he had a bad day today, give him a break!

Bat-PadTogether
June 21, 2005, 12:42 PM
Tapash was worst today.He was not so good against the Aussie.Alarming!!!!:E:E:E:E

Karim
June 21, 2005, 12:45 PM
taposh is not in form to bowl to be honest. with aus was luck. but he is not good at all. he need more more trainning .

Fortuner
June 21, 2005, 12:46 PM
I was actully thinking that i would open this topic but gud to see it already opned.

Forget bout giving runs...but wht i hate is that why the hell is he giving hell lots of no-ball...

and his action of bowling shows he cant much control the ball like mash whos bowling action shows he can have some cntrol over the ball...

Kick TAPASH OUT and bring some guy who can swing the ball well....should we go for some u19 player or some from domestic league

I dnt waanna see Chacha either coz he is worst than Tapash....

Hope next match no Tapashand no Chacha too...

Mueid
June 21, 2005, 01:25 PM
Taposh was actually a really good bowler before and i really liked him after masri and today's poor showing dont really change that. i think he needs a break rather than being 'kicked out' and am sure he's gona be back in form with a bang.
btw, tushar golden duck, surprising, i had high expectations from him

amim
June 21, 2005, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Flipper, anyone could have had those 2 wickets at the end as they were trying to score quickly. Aftab or Mashrafe would have had those 2 wickets. Taposh didn't get them due to good bowling because BD would have gotten those wickets anyhow.

The first wicket was the only genuine taposh wicket even that was possible due to the pitch. We saw what happened to our bowlers when the bowl didn't move around off the pitch and in flat batting pitch, taposh is not going to effective.

Taposh and Nazmul are both going for plenty but Nazmul is doing better with at least avoiding unnecessary no ball problem.

Stats don't tell you the ture story because Mashrafe deserved more wickets in that match than taposh but in ODI sometimes bad ball with lot of width can get you wickets as well.

Anyway at least for 2 games we whosuld drop taposh and try Shahadat. He will do a world of good to add to the aggresion of Ashraful, Aftab and Mashrafe.

At least we have shown that in ODI we can be as good as Srilanka with a bit more experience.

amim
June 21, 2005, 02:56 PM
Don't forget that Hussey and Katich added quick runs in the last few overs and so we really need to check the runs we are conceeding. Wickets in the last few overs do not really make a significant difference.

391 is always impossible to chase.

We would have won the match if we had restricted them to 300.

CTazim
June 21, 2005, 03:21 PM
Originally posted by Zunaid
Here we go again...

SO which palyer has not yet been kicked out for one reason or the other?

Exactly.. Typical reactive remark [not that I am not guilty at times ;)]

But look at the bright side.. 201/6 in 37.1 over. It is very positive sign for BD cricket!!

Azim

reyme
June 21, 2005, 03:48 PM
Is it possible that tapash now holds the worst bowling record for Bangladesh? I wont be surprised. Other point is if he is not fit then why he agreed to play? He is ruining his career.

amim
June 21, 2005, 03:51 PM
Even aftab with his gentle medium pace conceeded only 6.5 runs per over so there is no point in playing Taposh against England.

Fazal
June 21, 2005, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by al
Tapash had a bad day. You can rest him next few matches and give him time to find his form. Kicking out somebody is not a gentle way to deal with a player. he deserves some respect too although his performance today was pathetic.

Exactly, Tapash is our 2nd leading wicket taker in OdI with 52 wickets! Not to mention he is still the second best pacer in test and odi overall.

Well you guys can deside, whether Tapash should be given: a kick, pat in t tha back, gentle pull, strong pull, 'ordho chongro', 'Uttom Modthom', or a diplomatic rest for his past service. I don't care. What I care most, is I don;t wnat him in the team of 11 for the next two games. Thats all.

Spitfire_x86
June 21, 2005, 04:05 PM
Originally posted by amim
Even aftab with his gentle medium pace conceeded only 6.5 runs per over so there is no point in playing Taposh against England.
Aftab conceded 17 runs from his last over, otherwise he spent 48 runs from 9 overs.

Bat-PadTogether
June 21, 2005, 04:25 PM
Kick out this Rubbish Bowler from the Team!:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E:E

milton_eng
June 21, 2005, 04:58 PM
Give Tapash a break and lets give Rana a chance to show what he can do for the team. Ash is playing good after his break ...

amim
June 21, 2005, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by milton_eng
Give Tapash a break and lets give Rana a chance to show what he can do for the team. Ash is playing good after his break ...

amim
June 21, 2005, 05:52 PM
English batsmen will play in the very same manner and i am not sure if taposh is given a break, he will come back as a better bowler.

I was surprised to see that Rabeed thinks Mashrafe should be picked ahead of Rana Naveed. Rana Naveed is a class act and reduced a star pack Indian batting line up in India and took 6 wickets.

He is lot quicker than Mashrafe and bowled so well in the India Pakistan series that he was man of the series. He also bowled superbly in VB series.

I am not sure if Mashrafe is as good as Rana though .....

In a flat batting track all our seamers will have worse bowling stats but taposh's 87 runs in 7 overs was the worse bowling figure in ODI history for any bowler who bowled 5 or more overs.

Taposh's past should count for little, because this English team is probably the best ODI team now. Pakistan would be a very good ODI outfit.

They are more than capable of beating England but i am not sure whether they can beat England in an ODI series.

Taposh never bowled to English team of this ODI form before.

Taposh is lucky that KP didn't face him because if he did it could have been 7 overs going for 100 runs easily. I mean Aftab is doing well in the middle overs to concede less runs because our opening bowlers can't get English opening pair out so our part time bowler and Rafique are always under pressure.

I am happy that KP didn't bat otherwise 400 was a possibility.

Taposh is simply a medium fast bowler and with his pace ( since he is not a swing bowler like Wasim) he will be smashed all over tha park by any quality batting line up.

He shouldn't play against England. We need to try Shahadat
and i am sure he will much better as an ODI bowler.

The worst thing about taposh's bowling today was if he pitched up or pitched short he was smashed all over the park. English batsmen have seen enough of taposh and palying him in the next game against England would be suicidal as a total 400 might be a real possibility. So we need to try Shahadat or Rana ( slow bowlers will be smashed as well) just to give them something to think about.

The best way to slow the run rate in ODI matches is to take wickets. But in first 15 overs how many wickets are we getting against England ---- None ? and we are not even able to bat full 50 overs against England.

Our tail is failing miserably as well.

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 05:57 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
Well you guys can deside, whether Tapash should be given: a kick, pat in t tha back, gentle pull, strong pull, 'ordho chongro', 'Uttom Modthom', or a diplomatic rest for his past service. I don't care. What I care most, is I don;t wnat him in the team of 11 for the next two games. Thats all.
Thats what I say:up:

James90
June 21, 2005, 06:11 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

BAH! He bowled rubbish against Australia why can't anybody see that. He got Ponting then Martyn and Clarke threw away there wickets. But almost everything else from his second spell on was absolute tripe, did you even see the game? He did not bowl well against Australia and he did not bowl well today. Enough said.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Originally posted by Flipper
Who got 3 Australian Top order batsmen, and hence an historic victory! Give him a break guys.

BAH! He bowled rubbish against Australia why can't anybody see that. He got Ponting then Martyn and Clarke threw away there wickets. But almost everything else from his second spell on was absolute tripe, did you even see the game? He did not bowl well against Australia and he did not bowl well today. Enough said.

Easy my friend! Yes, I have seen it, and I have the video of it.

Tapash didn't bowl well today, agreed!

On Saturday, he was a bit expensive, and his no-balls were bothering, agreed. But, to claim Ponting at 9/2 was one of the turning points of the game.

Yes Martyn and clarke were trying to up the tempo, and so claimed by Tapash. Now, look at today's game how collingwood and Struass were upping the tempo, but no one was there to claim their wickets.

So, it takes two to tengo. For the wickets of Martyn and Clarke, two things had to happen. One, Batsmen trying to score quick, and clever bowling.

So, it's a fair critisize that he didn't ball well, but it's a chep shot to bash tapash by taking away his credits.

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 06:31 PM
Flipper, just get over the stats, the way Martin and Clarke got out, no credit goes to Taposh (just as when Bashar gets out hooking, all the blame goes to him). They just simply went after him because he was the most venomless of the bunch and failed themselves. Download the highlights, they will tell you why it is so. His whole tour is failure other than the wicket of Ponting.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 11:33 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 06:37 PM
I give up guys! I am convinced that Tapash does not even deserve a slightest bit of credit !

James90
June 21, 2005, 07:06 PM
And it's not like Ponting's a huge thing. He's incredibly vulnerable early in his innings especially trying to play around his pad. The poms got his like that on Sunday aswell, that said the wicket had to be taken and he did it so I will give him credit for that.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
I give up guys! I am convinced that Tapash does not even deserve a slightest bit of credit !

:D haha.. Flipper.. yes.. sometimes.. it is best to give up and then you will find that. life is so sweet..:D

Never mind my freind. Hope that.. Bd picks up her most deserving 11 for next match and we can atleast have some quality in bowling. If that means.. only few wickets but quite a controlled score.. I will still be happy about it.. Offcoarse.. i also know our bowling limitaiton and I never expected them to do the kind of stuffs that..great bowlers do against very quality opposition. BUt.. if they are not capable of taking wickets..they should be atleast capable of stopping the run flow.

After getting cool.. I also find.. Bashar's change is quite to do with this huge score. He should have tried some other part timers when he saw Taposh was bowling worst than a street bowler. The damage that is done to taposh's confidance today.. will not be so esasily recoverable and when there arent much bowlers in the country.. This loss can surely be a very worrifying aspect for BD.
Anyway.. :) lets forget about today's nightmare and let us be cheerful again for the next match.

Las to say.. I appologise to use a bad headings for this thread. Taposh served well enough for the country before and this title is surely showing lots of disrespect to him. I was just soo damn frustated to his bowling today.. Gosh!.... Anyway.. sorry.. If ppl thinks that it should be changed.. then I will change the title too.

Peace.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 07:11 PM
Ooops.. i didnt realise .. how will I change the topic for the thread?.. Can we change that?.. can anyone tell me.. Mods.. Please help.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 07:25 PM
Originally posted by Ejaj

The damage that is done to taposh's confidance today.. will not be so esasily recoverable and when there arent much bowlers in the country.. This loss can surely be a very worrifying aspect for BD.



I don't agree with you. If you have followed Tapash, then you should know he is a great fighter! He plays his heart out (although it was missing today). But, there is no doubt in my mind that he will bounce back.

BTW, the right spelling of his name is Tapash.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 07:35 PM
:D Oh.. U stil online.. well.. I also hope that he can come out strong after such hurricane today. But.. he really should be off from this tour. The entire tour started very bad from day one for him. He shoudl really give up doing something for the country at aleast in this tour and rather should try to be atleast economical with this line and length.

Edited on, June 22, 2005, 12:35 AM GMT, by Ejaj.

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 07:38 PM
Edited on, June 22, 2005, 12:41 AM GMT, by TheWatcher.
Reason: :) thread title has changed

jabbar
June 21, 2005, 07:50 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
...

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Bad attitude to have. :mad:

We must strive to win EVERY match - not be content with just one win. Ashraful has shown that we have talent to make it, and we should never give up!

:fanflag:

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 08:14 PM
Originally posted by jabbar
Originally posted by Flipper
...

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Bad attitude to have. :mad:

We must strive to win EVERY match - not be content with just one win. Ashraful has shown that we have talent to make it, and we should never give up!

:fanflag:

What rubbish! I don't know why everyone is comming down on me today!

Let me just make it clear to everyone on couple of points:

First off all, after today's performance I do think Tapash should take some time off.

Secondly, my statement above just meant that We just had a unthinkable win in a matter of 2 days, and we should not open a thread saying "kick one of our players' out of the team" (which by the way has been edited by the poster already). I didn't say we shouldn't fight anymore.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Originally posted by jabbar
Originally posted by Flipper
...

I will say it like Andrew said, even if we don't score a run, or take a wicket this series, doesn't matter at all.

Yes, he was hit today, but every player has their bad days.

Bad attitude to have. :mad:

We must strive to win EVERY match - not be content with just one win. Ashraful has shown that we have talent to make it, and we should never give up!

:fanflag:



What rubbish! I don't know why everyone is comming down on me today!

Let me just make it clear to everyone on couple of points:

First off all, after today's performance I do think Tapash should take some time off.

Secondly, my statement above just meant that We just had a unthinkable win in a matter of 2 days, and we should not open a thread saying "kick one of our players' out of the team" (which by the way has been edited by the poster already). I didn't say we shouldn't fight anymore.


:D.. cool dowm my friend. this happens.. Even though.. I know.. you are rite.. but still.. ppl are really upset today.. but.. dont worrry... all will cool down soon..


Edited on, June 22, 2005, 1:36 AM GMT, by Ejaj.

amim
June 21, 2005, 08:48 PM
tapash didn't do well in tests either.

I have seen people posting messages saying that there is something special about mashrafe and taposh bowling in tandem. Frankly that's all rubbish. Mashrafe bowled excellent against Australia were taposh was smashed all over the park. If he plays against Aus again i am sure they will hit him for more than 70 runs for his 10.

Bashar did the right thing by letting him bowl only 7 overs though we only had 4 bowlers. If taposh bowled 10 overs then England would have easily made 400+

amim
June 21, 2005, 08:50 PM
this is the worse bowling performance in bangladesh's history.

What Ashraful did when he batted doesn't change the fact that it was our bowlers' fault that England got 391 which is almost impossible to chase for any batting line up.

Even if Afridi scores 102 from 45 balls i still think it would have been difficult for Pakistan to chase it against England.

amim
June 21, 2005, 08:51 PM
Let's not kick taposh out of the team but simply exclude him for the next 3 matches. If the new bowler does well then it's good bye taposh from the ODI team against quality batting line up like Aus and England.

Ejaj
June 21, 2005, 08:53 PM
Diffculties in reaching the target was alawys overwhelming...... No one can even imagine reaching that target. But. yes.. Bowling.. had been at the bottom now. some serious action should be taken to solve this problem.