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Rubu
June 21, 2005, 12:22 PM
I know there are many rana haters. this thread is not for you, go away!

this thread is for rana fans. I think rana had not been given his fair share. If he was in the team, we would have concede few less runs. There are several positions in the team where rana can fit in and do good to the team:

1) Tushar Imaran: He can score more runs than tushar's usual 15-20.
2) Taposh: Rana would concede much less run than him. Taposh is having a bad tour, need to give him a break.
3) Nazmul: even tough he is the 2nd best pacer, he is not as good as rana as a bowler.

So, there are 3 players who are not as good as rana but still rana is sitting out because he "looks ugly". However, without any doubt rana can contribute more to the team than all these 3.

For the shake of the team, we should launch a campaign to include rana in the team.

rana lovers sign in.......

we can actually sign up an online petition and send it to BCB.

roaring tigerz
June 21, 2005, 12:32 PM
sign me up...i agree rana needs has to come in next game, provided we have a flat batting pitch. i will still like to see 3 frontline pacers if the pitch aids the seamers tho. rana is definately a utility performer in the ODIs for Bangladesh. I am sure we will see him sooner rather than later in the BD team. dont think we should take the place of Tushar. But right now he has to get the nod ahead of Taposh most defnately.

Spitfire_x86
June 21, 2005, 12:33 PM
I'm going to break the rules :)

Rana can replace either Taposh or Nazmul (Taposh is a better choice), but never Tushar. He should be in the team as specialist bowler, not as batsman or allrounder.

It's breaking my heart to say that I don't see Rana completely unnecessary at this moment, but he's just fortunate because the others are in terrible shape.

Sham
June 21, 2005, 12:38 PM
Yeah same here. I have been saying this from before the start of the Natwest series, Rana should play! Not in place of Tushar obviously, thats nuts, but he can replace either of Taposh or Nazmul, I don't care.

And for the 124th time, and surely not the last, I don't hate Rana, I dont fancy him as a batsman!

cracky
June 21, 2005, 12:40 PM
lol, it seems Spitfire_x86 very soon going to join Rana fan club, welcome to the team m8. Its never too late. Rana has been always a good consistant performer. Its been unlucky for him that inspite of his good performance every time he has to make room for bad performers. Wake up, team management.

Mahmood
June 21, 2005, 12:47 PM
I am in. Rana should have played all of these matches. I hope he gets a chance on the next match and shows everyone how right we were.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 12:50 PM
RANA RANA RANA !

Manzarul Islam Rana!

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 12:50 PM
Ok agent, say Abir fails again today, are going to call Rana in his place? Sounds stupid, does not it?

By logic, Rana can replace Taposh or Nazmul. Nazmul got at least two good wickets today- Vaughan and Strauss. Taposh has only one achievment during this whole tour- the wicket of Ponting and he is damn expensive the whole tour. So, without any question Taposh is the one who should be dropped for Rana, no one else comes in the question.

Rubu
June 21, 2005, 12:59 PM
Rafiq vai, i remember you created an online petition once. what's the webstie?

BangladeshFan
June 21, 2005, 01:07 PM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
I'm going to break the rules :)

Rana can replace either Taposh or Nazmul (Taposh is a better choice), but never Tushar. He should be in the team as specialist bowler, not as batsman or allrounder.

It's breaking my heart to say that I don't see Rana completely unnecessary at this moment, but he's just fortunate because the others are in terrible shape.

bowlers like nazmul will be always in terrible shape against these batsmen. it seems like dav/bashar are very much in your thinking zone.

Rubu
June 21, 2005, 01:26 PM
so much for tushar being better than rana.

naheyan
June 21, 2005, 01:46 PM
no matter how good this guy is...why a rana fan club.....the 1st BD cricketer who deserves a fan club is Rafique

howzatt!
June 21, 2005, 04:23 PM
i've always been a rana fan. bring rana ON! he'll screw the aussies this weekend. :fire:

Fazal
June 21, 2005, 04:27 PM
Me too. I feel he deserve few more chances chances.

But if fails I will be out pretty soon.

milton_eng
June 21, 2005, 04:27 PM
Rana should be in for Tapash. :up:

Bat-PadTogether
June 21, 2005, 04:47 PM
Bring Rana Back instead of Awful Tapash!

Akib
June 21, 2005, 04:49 PM
But also look at Pakistan and India... they dont have a bowler giving up 80 something runs in 7 overs... and the whole bowling lineup giving up 391......

This doesnt mean changing every one... but a few changes is necessary such as Tapash and maybe Imran.


I'm surprised the mods havent asked you yet to stop suing capital letters.... maybe they are on a break or breaking something after this performance.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 9:50 PM GMT, by aka.

reyme
June 21, 2005, 05:04 PM
Rana must play and even this is at the cost of Tushar. Here is why, one or two bowlers will have bad days, and having 2 alrounders in the ODI team is absolutely wonderful. Tushar will score 20's at his best. Rana can do the same and will bowl.

Sure he has a lot to learn with batting, and with bowling but my point is if the overall performance is better than a specialized batsman, then why opt him out? Right now I see he can replace all the 3 positions mentioned above.

My replacement is based on performance and although Tushar is a specialized bataman (so NO direct comparison here), Rana will most likely outperform him and add more value for the team.

This is the point Sham, Beamer and Spitfire failed to see time and again.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 10:06 PM GMT, by reyme.

Mahir
June 21, 2005, 05:23 PM
playing with 3 pacers is such a terrible idea for BD, especially when BD doesnt have a seamer who constantly creates fear in the mind of an opposing batsman...well, maybe Mashrafe does, but only after he actually bowls a fearsome spell.

So I myself heavily support the inclusion of Rana as a replacement of either Tapash or Nazmul, hoping that his bowling will help restrict the runrate and his batting at the lower order comes out as a bonus.

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 05:31 PM
Rana is no top order batsman, and that's a fact.

Yes, our top order fail again and again but, when they click they beat Australia. If we make Rana one of our top order batsmen then we may be able to score a few more runs now and then, but will never win!

I think Rana is our 2nd best ODI spinner, and should be included ASAP replacing either Tapash or Nazmul.

James90
June 21, 2005, 06:02 PM
I'm in, I've said it all along that we need 5 specialist bowlers and can't rely on Aftab to bowl his quota. Well it turns out that Tapash doesn't understand there's a front crease and just goes in plodding useless halfvolleys that are going to get hammered. He's not a patch on the English batsmen and Rana needs to be there. He's a better batsman then any of them aswell.

As for Tushar, if he hadn't gone after Hogg like he did and was unlucky to be caught by Katich then the momentum would have never changes and we would have lost by at least 60 runs. Aftab failed today aswell, do you want to drop him?

Team should be...

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Tushar Imran
7. Manjural Islam Rana
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain

Fazal
June 21, 2005, 06:08 PM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Team should be...

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Tushar Imran
7. Manjural Islam Rana
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain

I like your team. Also I liked moving Tushar at #6. There is more chance that Tusahr will succeed at #6 than at #3. On the other hand, Aftab is a very good batsman. It may be waistage of his talent to let him bat at #6. It think he have more chance to shine at #3 than anyone else (including Ash, bashar, Tushar). So I would take that risk. who knows we can also get a century from aftab also.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 11:14 PM GMT, by Fazal.

BD Tigers
June 21, 2005, 06:18 PM
i am not a Rana fan but I also think he shud get a chance in the next match in place of Taposh. And bring back Chacha (:o) in place of Nazmul.

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by BD Tigers
bring back Chacha (:o) in place of Nazmul.
Nooooooo.... Nazmul at least got three wickets and gave lot less than 13 runs per over.

Edited on, June 21, 2005, 11:23 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.

reyme
June 21, 2005, 06:31 PM
Originally posted by Rajputro
I am in. Rana should have played all of these matches. I hope he gets a chance on the next match and shows everyone how right we were.

That is exactly what the selectors and the captain is screda of ;)

Spitfire_x86
June 21, 2005, 06:37 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Team should be...

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Tushar Imran
7. Manjural Islam Rana
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain
I like your team. Also I liked moving Tushar at #6. There is more chance that Tusahr will succeed at #6 than at #3. On the other hand, Aftab is a very good batsman. It may be waistage of his talent to let him bat at #6. It think he have more chance to shine at #3 than anyone else (including Ash, bashar, Tushar). So I would take that risk. who knows we can also get a century from aftab also.
Agree with both of you :up:

Sham
June 21, 2005, 06:49 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Rana is no top order batsman, and that's a fact.

Yes, our top order fail again and again but, when they click they beat Australia. If we make Rana one of our top order batsmen then we may be able to score a few more runs now and then, but will never win!

I think Rana is our 2nd best ODI spinner, and should be included ASAP replacing either Tapash or Nazmul.

Damn, I totally agree with Flipper. This is a new day!

Flipper
June 21, 2005, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Flipper
Rana is no top order batsman, and that's a fact.

Yes, our top order fail again and again but, when they click they beat Australia. If we make Rana one of our top order batsmen then we may be able to score a few more runs now and then, but will never win!

I think Rana is our 2nd best ODI spinner, and should be included ASAP replacing either Tapash or Nazmul.

Damn, I totally agree with Flipper. This is a new day!

Sham, may be you're out of your mind! :)

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
Team should be...

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Tushar Imran
7. Manjural Islam Rana
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain
I have not seen the match, and it is hard to make judgements from BBC/cricinfo commentary. So, I am not sure if Iqbal should be back so early. Also, why did you swap Bashar and Ashraful? But other than that, your team looks good to me.

Edited on, June 22, 2005, 12:02 AM GMT, by TheWatcher.

Lonewolf_bd
June 21, 2005, 07:46 PM
Bring in Rana for Tapash. If you really want an agressive statement from the team, bring him in for Nafees- a gritty left hander at the top of the order and a genuine 6th bowler for the captain.

feisal
June 21, 2005, 08:37 PM
[quote]Originally posted by AgentSmith
I know there are many rana haters. this thread is not for you, go away!

this thread is for rana fans. I think rana had not been given his fair share. If he was in the team, we would have concede few less runs. There are several positions in the team where rana can fit in and do good to the team:

1) Tushar Imaran: He can score more runs than tushar's usual 15-20.

*** o please...will he score that run as a number 3??? he was number 6/7 in weak abahani line up...

i take your main point that he should be in the team.. but as a bowler and will also be a useful bat at 7/8.

howzatt!
June 21, 2005, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by Habibul_fan
I'm in, I've said it all along that we need 5 specialist bowlers and can't rely on Aftab to bowl his quota. Well it turns out that Tapash doesn't understand there's a front crease and just goes in plodding useless halfvolleys that are going to get hammered. He's not a patch on the English batsmen and Rana needs to be there. He's a better batsman then any of them aswell.

As for Tushar, if he hadn't gone after Hogg like he did and was unlucky to be caught by Katich then the momentum would have never changes and we would have lost by at least 60 runs. Aftab failed today aswell, do you want to drop him?

Team should be...

1. Nafis Iqbal
2. Javed Omar
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Habibul Bashar
5. Mohammad Ashraful
6. Tushar Imran
7. Manjural Islam Rana
8. Khaled Mashud
9. Mohammad Rafique
10. Mashrafe Mortaza
11. Nazmul Hossain

perfect team. but i'd swap bashar and ash's positions. i agree that we should bring nafis iqbal back. shahriar nafees didn't look comfortable at all out there. i don't understand why they started playing aftab in 6th position after he had such success as one down batsman.

TheWatcher
June 21, 2005, 10:09 PM
This was the debut match of Shahriar, there is a good chance that he will be lot more improved in next couple of matches if given the opportunity. Playing musical chair with the openning slot is not going to help either of Nafeeses.

BanglaCool
June 21, 2005, 10:17 PM
Rana IN
Tapash OUT

jabbar
June 21, 2005, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by AgentSmith
...

we can actually sign up an online petition and send it to BCB.

If BCB put rana in the team because of a petition, then God help them!

But I agree that Rana should be in the team. Anyone, other than Tapash at the moment. Despite wickets in the last match v. Aussies, he is in terrible form with some very wayward bowling.

James90
June 21, 2005, 10:31 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
This was the debut match of Shahriar, there is a good chance that he will be lot more improved in next couple of matches if given the opportunity. Playing musical chair with the openning slot is not going to help either of Nafeeses.
It's quite simple. They shouldn't have changed it in the first place, keep the winning combination. Sure Nafis Iqbal hadn't done a great deal but neither had Shahriah Nafees. I strongly believe the team I posted earlier is the best one we could have on the park at the current time.

Beamer
June 21, 2005, 10:50 PM
Rana should be in as a specialist bowler. He can not be worse than Tapash as he is having a lot of issues. Injury, mental breakdown, lack of confidence, wides, no balls..whatvere, he needs to sit down. Rana will get through his overs quickly with rafiq and its a lot harder to hit out spin bowlers who maintain tidy line than below avg pacers. But any fantasy of Rana coming in as a batsman at no.3, should be smashed with a two-ton hammer. There should be penalties for such obscene thoughts in society.

AsifTheManRahman
June 22, 2005, 01:04 AM
rana fan here. although i don't think he will change things dramatically all on his own, i do think that we should try something different, and that rana will indeed be more effective than our medium pacers.

Niceman70
June 22, 2005, 01:06 AM
They should give rana a chance just like shariar..com'on faruqe?

oracle
June 22, 2005, 01:21 AM
Rana will get through his overs quickly with rafiq and its a lot harder to hit out spin bowlers who maintain tidy line than below avg pacers. But any fantasy of Rana coming in as a batsman at no.3, should be smashed with a two-ton hammer. There should be penalties for such obscene thoughts in society.


thanks. Exasperated to hear ridiculous suggestions to move Rana up the order!
But i am amenable to the 2 spinner idea. We need 2 guys that can speed up the overs and add pressure and increase the req. rate. This is within Rana grasp. But what we REALLY lack is a dependable second pacer to share the new ball with Masri.

Fortuner
June 22, 2005, 05:36 AM
I AGREE THAT RANA NEEDS TO BE THERE ALWAYS AND FOREVER IN BANGALDESH TEAM COZ SOMETIMES IF VERY DIFFICULT TO PLAY HIS BALLS ECPECIALLY WHN HE BOUNCES IT FAST TO THE BATSMEN AND MAAN, ITS JUST OUR BAD LUCK THAT HE AINT THERE FOR BANGLADESH...INSTEAD THAT F***ING TAPASH IS THERE...HE GIVES HELL LOTS OF NO BALLS WHICH IS MORE THAN FRUSTRATING TO SEE....HE LOOKS LIKE CROW TO ME WHO IS TOO FOOLISH....

James90
June 22, 2005, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by lance_klusner
I agree that Rana needs to be there always and forever in Bangladesh team coz sometimes if very difficulty to play hi balls especially when he bounces it fast to the batsman and maan, its just our bad luck that he aint there for Bangladesh...instead Tapash is there...he gives hell lots of no balls which is more than frustrating to see...he looks like crow crow to me who is too foolish....
You've been on the forum for 2 weeks now. Surely you must know the rules. If not then I advise you to take a thorough read

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bourny3
June 22, 2005, 06:37 AM
Rana should replace tapash. for the rest of the series. Do you think it will happen.

dxmanbd
June 22, 2005, 08:39 AM
Rana should in because
Among current BD players in ODI
He has
The best bowling avg 28.16
The lowest economy rate 3.86
And 3rd highest Batting average 23.66


http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/BDESH/ODI_AVS_BOWL_BDESH.html
http://usa.cricinfo.com/db/STATS/BDESH/ODI_AVS_BAT_BDESH.html