Super Sub

[pilot fan]

i have been thinking about the whole super sub situiation and i think that the man who is right for the job is rana as he bas and bowls and it will give us more flexablity with the toss as if we win the toss and have rajin as the super sub we would have to bowl first and if we had russel as our super sub we would have to bat first.

so if rana is our super sub we have more flexabilty with the toss and chose what is best to do first depending on the nature of the pitch

[sleeping_giant]

Originally posted by pilot fan
i have been thinking about the whole super sub situiation and i think that the man who is right for the job is rana as he bas and bowls and it will give us more flexablity with the toss as if we win the toss and have rajin as the super sub we would have to bowl first and if we had russel as our super sub we would have to bat first.

so if rana is our super sub we have more flexabilty with the toss and chose what is best to do first depending on the nature of the pitch
Bangladesh always need one pure batsman as super sub.
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[bd_cricket]

Originally posted by sleeping_giant
Originally posted by pilot fan
i have been thinking about the whole super sub situiation and i think that the man who is right for the job is rana as he bas and bowls and it will give us more flexablity with the toss as if we win the toss and have rajin as the super sub we would have to bowl first and if we had russel as our super sub we would have to bat first.

so if rana is our super sub we have more flexabilty with the toss and chose what is best to do first depending on the nature of the pitch
Bangladesh always need one pure batsman as super sub.
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I don't understand the logic behind that. Whatmore is also for a pure batsman as super-sub.

Lets say we have a pure batsman as super sub. And we lose the toss and sent to bat first and do miserably in batting which ourbatmen are very good at, then the Super Sub will replace a bowler. Then while the opponent will be batting we shall be a bowler short. If we bat second, a pure batsman as super sub will work.

[Mahmood]

Super Sub helps the toss winner. If 2 teams are close in strength, super sub will ensure winning the toss is winning the match.

Having a batsman or bowler will not matter if you lose the toss (unless you bat first when your super sub is a bowler or bowl first when your super sub is a batsman). So there is no sure way to get benefitted by this rule.

[akabir77]

whats the rule on the super sub? i though you can chg a plyr any time. just have to name the player who will be super sub before toss. So if we have a batsman as a super sub that means we have a bowler in the team. Let say we have 5 bowlers and we lose the toss. then we ply the super sub and ply with 4 bowler. that means a normall bd team. but we win the toss then full use of the sub. so its wrong that we wont get benifited as we can become the same team or better but not worse....well it all depends on if i git the rules right though

[TheWatcher]

I am not getting it, in Indian Oil Cup, whoever won the toss batted first. Our 2nd and 3rd matches in Colombo (RPS) are day-nights, where, for sure, you want to bat first. So, in my thinking, I want my super sub to be a bowler so that I can have a extra batsman in my first eleven. If I win the toss I will bat first then use the substitute bowler in the second innings. If I loose the toss and are sent to field first, I just sacrifice my extra batsman with the substitute bowler. So, basically, if you win the toss, you get to use an extra batsman; if you loose, you don't get an extra batsman.

What can be Whatmore's logic behind choosing a batsman as a super sub?

[akabir77]

i guess dav wants to have an extra batsman when chasing? and have an extra bowler when bowing first... but we r batting first then we don't need an extra batsman as theoritically our top should be enough and an extra bowler will be needed at the 2nd inn...

[Orpheus]

Scenarios:

1) Bangladesh win the toss

Supersub: Batsman

Bat second regardless even if it's day night match.

Supersub: Bowler

Bat first .

2) Bangladesh loses the toss

Now depending on what Srinlanka declared as sub they will make us bowl or bat first

Supersub: Batsman

if Bat first: Supersub wasted. He will NOT play.

if Bat second: Pefect

Supersub: Bowler

if Bat first: Perfect

if Bat second: Supersub will only replace a BOWLER if one is having hard time.

So given Bashar's toss losing history, we should go with bowling because it gives us more flexibility.

But as far as team Bangladesh goes, we do not have quality bowlers, Jaha Aftab, tahai Nazmul. So the best option is to go with a Batsman sub so we can amass as much or can chase as much as possible...... and we just gotta pray that we win the toss.... and if we lose.. just pray Srilanka declared a bowler as their sub.

[Spitfire_x86]

Javed should be the supersub. He is useless (in fact "self-destuctive") in normal situations, but we can use him to save face if we have a big batting collapse.

[akabir77]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Javed should be the supersub. He is useless (in fact "self-destuctive") in normal situations, but we can use him to save face if we have a big batting collapse.

He is an opener so how r u planning to see the future and decide oh we r going to have a collapse 2 day:lol:

Unless u want him 2 bat in the middle order which might be already 2 late cause he is not that good when bd is say 35/6 down.....:sorry:

[prasad]

this super sub rule is really sick,it was a rule done by gavaskar and co to help india.it lessens the importance of an allrounder.bd shud not b concerned abt the supersub.they have good allrounders in rafique,aftab and rana(if selectors select him).the lack of allrounders is hurting india bad and gavaskar comes up with this rule.