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shahid
April 11, 2003, 06:42 AM
Our bowlers did a good job by bowling India out for 276. Tapash Baisya bowled some good yorkers toward the end as India lost their last 4 wickets for a mere 12 runs. It's some acheivement for our bowlers.

Now it's up to our batsmen to score these required 277 runs and keep up the good work done by the bowlers. There is one limitation that our highest ODI score is 272 and that has to broken today and this score was achieved while chasing which might help us.

Here's the scorecard of the Indian Innings:

ODI # 2001
TVS Cup, 2003, 1st Match
Bangladesh v India
Bangabandhu National Stadium, Dhaka (day/night)
11 April 2003 (50-over match)

Result:
Points:

Toss: India
Umpires: Aleem Dar (Pak) and Mahbubur Rahman
TV Umpire: Showkatur Rahman
Match Referee: CH Lloyd (WI)
ODI Debuts: G Gambhir, AM Salvi (Ind).
Man of the Match:




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India innings (50 overs maximum) R B 4 6
G Gambhir c Khaled Mashud b Tapash Baisya 11 22 2 0
V Sehwag lbw b Mohammad Rafique 63 51 11 1
*SC Ganguly c Mohammad Rafique b Alok Kapali 30 45 1 2
M Kaif c Khaled Mashud b Sanwar Hossain 23 47 1 0
Yuvraj Singh not out 77 71 5 4
D Mongia lbw b Alok Kapali 3 8 0 0
+PA Patel c & b Sanwar Hossain 4 11 0 0
AB Agarkar not out 14 17 0 1
Extras (lb 5, w 9, nb 2) 16
Total (6 wickets, 45 overs) 241

To Bat: Harbhajan Singh, AM Salvi, Z Khan.

FoW: 1-46 (Gambhir, 9.2 ov), 2-82 (Sehwag, 13.3 ov),
3-132 (Ganguly, 26.1 ov), 4-144 (Kaif, 29.6 ov),
5-162 (Mongia, 34.1 ov), 6-172 (Patel, 37.6 ov).

Bowling O M R W
Manjural Islam 6 0 31 0 (2w)
Tapash Baisya 8 0 53 1 (1nb)
Khaled Mahmud 5 0 23 0 (1nb)
Mohammad Rafique 8 0 52 1 (1w)
Alok Kapali 10 0 42 2 (3w)
Sanwar Hossain 8 0 35 2 (3w)

Bangladesh team:
Mehrab Hossain, Mohammad Ashraful, Tushar Imran, Alok Kapali,
Akram Khan, Sanwar Hossain, *Khaled Mahmud, +Khaled Mashud,
Mohammad Rafique, Tapash Baisya, Manjural Islam.

Ehsan
April 11, 2003, 07:17 AM
We already lost the match. The team who couldn't score above 24o against our bowling attack , how can they do it with India.

I would say our bowling attack wasn't really good as Yuvraj made centurey and Shewag 63.

The most highest possible score that we can do with bat would be 240.

Ehsan
April 11, 2003, 07:22 AM
That's a ****:mad:

Mehrab out for a duck. I knew it. Thats why I said Golla should Open man. Unfortunately golla is sick. :(

Cricket46
April 11, 2003, 08:40 AM
Bangladesh might score their lowest today. They are 43 for 7 now. Before I post this message, may be, they will be all out.

samia
April 11, 2003, 09:05 AM
well its over. 76 all out ... losing was inevitable.mohammad rafique was doing good though.india win by 200 runs.
as for our bowling, i'd say its just normal.its our batting that is hopelessly bad.



[Edited on 11-4-2003 by samia]

Shubho
April 11, 2003, 09:31 AM
Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Changing the captaincy worked wonders, didn't it? Would the people touting Sujon after his selection please stand up, and explain this one.

Why, oh why, won't they just fight? Are they really that bad? Haven't they mastered the basics at all?

Nasif
April 11, 2003, 09:35 AM
Good effort. We touched our lowest score. Damn we couldn't make a new lowest score. Well there's a next time.

Zobair
April 11, 2003, 09:46 AM
yet it seems we can not do anything about it...abject failure... why do we even play cricket anymore?!?!? we should seriously consider reviewing our international commitments and take a break...this is not doing us any good. We keep sinking and sinking...though to be fair its our batting which has let us down... :mad::(:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

Sharek
April 11, 2003, 09:48 AM
Except for a couple of players, its the same damn team that played in the WC. Nothing more should be expected out of them, hope this tournament ends as quickly and painlessly as possible.

Pundit
April 11, 2003, 10:18 AM
Well, many of you got your favorite coach, favorite openers, favorite middle order...even Mashud batted higher up the order (which I always was against) !!

And look at the final outcome - no different !!

Opee can be excused - playing after a long gap. But the others, with there much vaunted prowess - Akram Khan, the sow called "Minnow Slayer," what good is he when he's up against the real deal ??

Maybe we can all start blaming the lights, or there lack off.

Or maybe the Selectors, again !!

Or blame me !!!

Orpheus
April 11, 2003, 10:22 AM
How would you like to have the developement team play? You will get a lot of "NEW talent"

Who named the team "BCB developement squad" anyway? It sounds as if BD national team is a "developed" team. Basically, aren't all cricket teams from all corners of BD life - a developement squad .. aka SUCKY TEAM!!

I don't know how you guys actually say things like "I refuse to believe Bangladesh suck this bad". And I definitely don't know how Fwullah does it. Write and analyze Bangladesh's performance after WATCHING each game that is. It's cool to analyze just by looking at the scoreboard. But after watching, there is nothing to analyze. The indian analyst can talk about the order of the team or the bowling rotation or who should be the next Tendulkar but I feel sorry for the Bengali analyst - (Athar Ali) - He just seats there and says "we got to play 50 overs" and "we got to blow well" repeatedly. (yes he said "blow" - not a typo) Apparently we got the same analysis from Khaled Mahmud. "We got to play patiently and play those 50 overs" .... Ok Einstein!! You had 30 overs in your hand... What the fucck did you do?? It aint like you were not out and all the other losers got out!!

Now - the next person who says that we should have played this player instead of that player deserves nothing but a big *** slap on the face!!!! Mehrab the saviour!! BOW DOWN RIGHT NOW!!!

Shubho: Who do you recommend to be the captain? Atleast Khaled Mahmud can have a decent interview. He did mention that "it is really application" when asked whether they lacked confidence or not. Atleast he is a brave man to admit that we suck unlike Mashud - "fuutchaa, yeah Ashraful...Futchaaa...talent...big big number and big big fight"

...The fans are just bunch of savages.... was the admission price free? We should raise the admission fee to get some decent spectators!

Finally Pundit - It's your fault!!!!!

shahid
April 11, 2003, 10:56 AM
:mad::mad::mad:

I am going crazy :mad::mad::mad:

What the hell is going on :mad::mad::mad:

All out for 76 after a decent bowling performance.

The end result - no different. Losing by 200 runs. Just forget winning the series. I will be happy even if we win 1 match against SA.

The only good thing was getting India all out but our batting is worse than even Holland and Namibia.

With this team, i think even Nepal can beat us easily:mad::mad::mad:

fwullah
April 11, 2003, 11:03 AM
Yes Samia I would agree with you that our bowling was normal. It would have been extra ordinary bowling if we could bowl the Indians out for under 200. (To tell you the truth - even then we won't be able to reach that under 200 score).

Shubho - It was a holiday report that said that Sujon is on his way down - or someting like that. So being a captain would not do much.

Nasif, don't say that, because I fear that we will be scoring our lowest ever score in this tournament. And that is certainly not going to be 76.

pompous, I think Lobby went to ICC to give us a break, but the ICC replied in the negative, so its not going to be a reality, unless we are ready to face huge financial losses (that is even bigger losses than hosting touranments like this one).

fwullah
April 11, 2003, 11:35 AM
Pundit, if Pilot can't bat at five, then he would rather be dropped and somebody new would come into replace him. Is that what you want? And the inclusion of Akram Khan for me during the world cup was just to WIN our last world cup match against Kenya. Since that didn't happen, I wanted to write something about to drop him, but restricted myself in doing that thinking that Akram Khan might be really back to his old form. And if he does not perform in the rest of the one day tournament, then what can I say? Akram Khan and Aminul Islam were both out of the side so that the selectors/team management would not be blamed for their poor performace with the bat. Now that Akram Khan is in the squad again, so the game has already started. This time, Wisden started it. So I would say that it was coming.

Orpheus, I do it because if I don't analyze, and write down the match report after a match is finished, then every bad shots of each player of that match hunts me down all night for which I can't sleep, my internet connection would be out tomorrow whole day, so I might not comeonline tomorrow, so instead I have already written down my analysis part of today's match and sent it to Tehsin already. And I need to tell somebody about all those sad moments of life, so I basically try to write them down. This is the background for my writing articles after a match.

And Orpheus, I have already have the slap in my face since I am the person to tell in my article already that Fahim Muntasir should have played as a specialist off spinner instead of Sanwar Hossain. Or, even Naimur Rahman can bat better than that. And I think it was some newspapers who said that Mehrab is going to be a savior, not me.

And I would recommend Alok Kapali to be the captain and Ashraful to be the vice captain (JUST KIDDING) as captancy seem to be a thing that lifts a player's morale. And for me, these 2 batsman need a real morale boosting effort.

samia
April 11, 2003, 11:51 AM
weird how i dont share some of ur strong feelings over here.ive become immune to post-bd defeat blues :D actually i wasnt expecting anything better.and as for mashud, he was bd's second top scorer today (at 12!) so compared to the rest of the team and our so called batsmen, his performance wasnt BAD.i think he shud be moved down the order as i still think he plays well under pressure.if he was in tapash's place, maybe we wud have reached 100.

Orpheus
April 11, 2003, 12:42 PM
Akram Khan and Aminul Islam were both out of the side so that the selectors/team management would not be blamed for their poor performace with the bat. Now that Akram Khan is in the squad again, so the game has already started. This time, Wisden started it. So I would say that it was coming.

Most of us are saying that BCB doesn't listen to us. But I think the problem is that they do listen to us. They shouldn't!

I will try to explain: Let's say before gaining test status - we lost all but 3 of our ODIs. Is that a case for giving us test status? NO - it was that large fan base and good performance by the youngsters in the U-19, or U-15 or whatever level. Now we got test status. We play with the old fools - we fail. So what is the logical thing to do? Gradually replace our whole team with brighter and younger prospects. We make our case - BCB does it.
Now the youngsters are getting worn out! We experience a shame in the WC. Now we complain and make a case that a team should be consisted of youth and experience - and they do it. (Athar Ali even mentioned that today in his analysis - just sad)

So they are basically doing what majority of us want - which means they don't know what the hell they are doing. Is going by the majority a good thing?

NO - because majority of the people do not have the vision (yes I will use that word). Majority is average and average is stupid! We need that exceptional, out of ordinary thinking ppl running cricket in our country. What is obvious is not always the best.

Perhaps, they should have just made a team with talent and sticked with it from the beginning or perhaps they should have given more chances to Newer players....or perhaps they should have kept Nannu and Athar....or perhaps they should have just listened to damn Gordon!

So do I have the solution for Bangladesh? NO I don't and Neither do any of you! We must find ppl that are capable ... and to do that....

an "obvious obvious" thing to do would be to take out politics from sports! because politics is a barrier to the vision.

(by politics I just don't mean ONLY the political group intereference but also the politics within)

But who is gonna listen to this? Well, to whom it concerns. So whom does this concern? anyone of you know? Cuz I don't!!

(Ok Now I think I am confused - I should sleep now - too much cricket and frustation?? <-- more like "HAHA pain")

James90
April 11, 2003, 03:53 PM
shahid look where optimism takes you....you're just angrier than ever

It's very depressing but i can't say i expected anything beter

Pundit
April 11, 2003, 06:45 PM
Orpheus, what on earth were you trying to say ?

FWaliullah - your comment about Mashud borders hysteria !!What do you mean - a player that marvelously contributes (regardless of the reason) at 7/8 should be pushed up the order to 4/5. And if he then fails, you are saying he doesn't have the stuff. Honestly, your logic doesn't correlate with reality. He is in the team by virtue of his being the wk. For a team like BD, what more can you expect from him.

Its the batsman designated batsmen's job to do the right stuff. If anybody should be guillotined for poor batsmenship, then it ought to be the Akrams & the Sanwars.

Masud being brought up as a wk simply never had the talent to weather the opening part of an innings. But his perseverence has in time turned him into a dodgy run collector ! And what a face saver he has become from that position !!

Basically, most of the arguments here just move around in circles. If not this, then that, if not that then this, if not this then that........helps to realize our journalistic ambitions, but does JACK for the team.

Ehsan
April 11, 2003, 07:19 PM
Change of team, change of captain, change of coach...still makes no difference. Our team is still the same useless team.

I hope if Javed was there, he could have made a difference. We all know he is more likely a test player, he would sray for 100 minutes with only 10 runs. But I would he's still good that he provides resistance. Rest of them, doesn't have any resistance to show up. I dunno how BCB is going to explain abt our this lost. I'm really ashamed of our team. :( If we can't make good score in our home ground then where the hell are we gonna make it???

I guess our next ODI win will come after 2 years at the least.

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by ehsan]

Orpheus
April 11, 2003, 09:26 PM
Orpheus, what on earth were you trying to say ?
LOL, I had a feeling I was gonna get a response like that. In brief, I was saying that most of us are stupid (average) and people in charge shouldn't listen to us. They should stick to their own plan but that is AFTER we find competent ppl. Maybe it's you with the vision (because you seem to understand the ideal position for Mashud), so why don't you go and run BCB. (and I literally mean that, I don't use sarcasm). Who is responsible ("concern") for the improvement of our cricket? It's us!!!


Masud being brought up as a wk simply never had the talent to weather the opening part of an innings. But his perseverence has in time turned him into a dodgy run collector
Oh Yeah!! Perseverence?? I guess if I, who never held a cricket bat in his hand go to the field with loads of determination to score a century. I will. right?? Mashud has talent and I will tell you where he gets it from. Perhaps he wasn't a batsman but just came to the team as a wk. But he learned from behind those stumps. I mean if you are behind good players like Jsuriya, Lara, Ponting, Flowers, Tendulkar or even Tikolo for all your cricket career - you tend to pick up a few technique here and there. He saw how those players handled this ball and how they handled that ball. Think of the possibilties only if our bowlers had variation. Therefore, I don't think it's illogical (not that i support this) that moving Mashud up the order may strengthen our middle order.

So I suggest you try not to look smarter by belittling others because that's just cheap.

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by Orpheus]

fwullah
April 11, 2003, 09:54 PM
Orpheus, nice observation about Pilot's batting skills/talent.

shahid
April 12, 2003, 05:27 AM
James90,

I am always realistic. If you read that post, I have said that BD would beat SA once and that would be our only victory. I was so depressed :( after the defeat that I couldn't meet my Indian friends. I just talked about it with my Bangladeshi friends. I went crazy after the defeat and almost became mad then. :mad:

Ehsan,

Don't give up. We would beat the ACC associates UAE and HK this year for our ODI wins in the Asia Cup. We would also beat SA once in the tri-series for an ODI win this month itself.

Ehsan
April 12, 2003, 10:40 AM
I was really optimist about two wins in this WC, one against Kenaya and other against Canada.

Shahid, now I don't take any team so lightly against BD after their shameful lost to Canada. Man after that Shameful defeat I wasn't even able to talk to my friends about WC anymore. :(

So who knows UAE and Hk might beat us.

[Edited on 12-4-2003 by ehsan]

Pundit
April 12, 2003, 04:11 PM
"So I suggest you try not to look smarter by belittling others because that's just cheap. " - Orpheus !

Yes, yes, you've beaten that point to death ! Try something for a change, like substantiating your prophecies with something that even has the slightest hint of pragmatism.

Sitting behind the stumps and watching the best batsmen play their shots - why, all the wkeepers who have roamed the planet since dawn would then have become class A batsmen. Your Khaled Mashud hyperbole is tantamount to the selectors' debacle with the Al-Shariar odessey of batting first.

Fwaliullah - (yes, I'm taking you two on in one go), perhaps you have overlooked the fact that Mashud has for most part in his career played the lesser of the front line bowlers. Even test teams so often have a make-shift 5th bowler who bowls a good bit through the middle of the innings.

Fire away - full salvo !! Afterall, that's why we congregate here.

Arnab
April 12, 2003, 04:22 PM
Can somebody clear up this mess for me and show me what topics are being discussed in this thread among Pundit-Orpheus-Fahmida?

So far, the most clearly stated topic seems to have something to do with Pilot, although I don't know what it is. Is it about dropping him from the squad? His captaincy? His batting ability? I am thoroughly confused.

Pundit
April 12, 2003, 08:03 PM
The discussion is around his place in the batting order !

Orpheus
April 12, 2003, 10:09 PM
Yes, yes, you've beaten that point to death !
Well that’s because you keep on using cheap shots!!
Try something for a change, like substantiating your prophecies with something that even has the slightest hint of pragmatism.
please do likewise!
Sitting behind the stumps and watching the best batsmen play their shots - why, all the wkeepers who have roamed the planet since dawn would then have become class A batsmen.
Yes and you seem to think that all the batsmen “who have roamed the planet since dawn” are world class batsmen, And all the wk have ability to learn. Maybe the idea of batting coach is also absurd to you. You seem to think that players can’t learn technique; it’s just the natural ability and determination. Khaled Masud’s batting records of LATE in domestic matches should give you enough clues to his learned talent.
I also think that the batting ability of Gilcrist, Dravid, Sangakkara etc should give you some sense on the advantages of being a wicket keeper. Besides it wasn’t my “observation” that wicket keepers tend to pick up techniques, I actually read that from an interview of some great retired wk cum captain in cricinfo. I forgot his name and thus can’t find the article. While searching, I found this and would like to show you what Gilchrist had to say – he didn’t say anything about batting but please focus on the word POSITION. (no not batting position)
“Adam Gilchrist believes captaincy is easier from behind the stumps than any of the less arduous fielding positions.”
http://old.smh.com.au/news/0108/12/sport/sport6.html
Well, basically from behind the stumps, it’s easier to see everything. You have the view of the batsman – whether it’s the fielding positon, the bowler, or the ball it self. Now what does this have to do with the batting order? Well if Mashud matured to become a somewhat better batsman than he was before and to many extent better than his top order peers – why can’t he move up to the middle order? It’s certainly better than him being not out and running out of partners because to end the last 4 BD tail-enders – all you need is an over. About your argument on Mashud playing the lesser of the front line bowlers, well most of the time Bangladesh doesn’t last long enough to face the 5th or the 6th bowlers. I didn’t understand the analogy with Al-Shahariar, do you have any proofs besides the opinion of this board’s members that Alshariar would have done better down the order in the international level? Your logic seems to be the same as those that you have protested against – “if this didn’t work, then that must have worked”. From your argument, I got an idea: let all our batsmen bat at number 6/7 – then everyone will play good! And we will become champion!!! Hooorraayyyyy!!!