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oracle
December 5, 2005, 12:57 PM
Let's talk about movies. But specifically Bangla movies.
Unfortunately, in terms of quality, this genre is dominated by Calcutta.

However, Bangladesh has produced a few good films. ‘Ora Egarojon’, ‘Nadi O Nari’ and ‘Matir Moyna’ are all pretty good. But too little for a vast country. So is there any chance of upcoming directors breaking into international scene. If West Bengal can produce directors like Rituporno Ghosh, then why cannot Bangladesh.

Also, I think one of the problems of Bangla films is the lousy actors. Even in West Bengal , the directors have to get Hindi actresses to do a decent part:)

Anyway, by the way, Ritopurno Ghosh is my favourite director. He is the best since S Ray.- without a doubt. Although, he needs to come out of the closet a bit(hint)- too careful.:)

Spitfire_x86
December 5, 2005, 01:05 PM
First couple of Humayun Ahmed movies were good (Shonkhonil Karagar, Aguner Poroshmoni).

Sorry
December 5, 2005, 01:09 PM
anju gosh are wasim retire korar pore bangla film er maan kome gache.
anju gosh er naach amar khoob bhalo lagtho.

Edited on, December 5, 2005, 7:25 PM GMT, by Sorry.

oracle
December 5, 2005, 01:16 PM
First couple of Humayun Ahmed movies were good


correct and yes, yes. Watched all of em..:)

My concern remains that standard seems to be difficult to maintain. Hindi films , howver bad in every way, at least has spent resources to develop cinematogrophy, sound and the technical aspects.

This requires a lot of discipline from both director and actor/actresses, i.e professionalism. This sadly is lacking in Bangla movies. I blame the lack of development in acting. No concerted effort was made to uplift the quality throughout the decades. Unfortunate.:(

Fazal
December 5, 2005, 02:23 PM
Originally posted by oracle
Although, he needs to come out of the closet a bit(hint)- too careful.:)

taholee uni key baka:-/

Tigers_eye
December 5, 2005, 02:49 PM
To make the standard high why not get the natok's actors and actresses into cinema. That would increase the viewers hense increase more cashflow. May be then investing the extra cash into technology.

Edited on, December 5, 2005, 7:50 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

Fazal
December 5, 2005, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
To make the standard high why not get the natok's actors and actresses into cinema. That would increase the viewers hense increase more cashflow. May be then investing the extra cash into technology.


I don't think this will work. Average middle class /upper middle/rich or even lower middle class don't go to the cinema hall to watch bangla movies. They either watch Z-tv, sony, etc to watch Hindi movies or serials or watch ntv , channel I to watch natoks or rent/buy pirated movies (English/Hindi or Bangla if any). And little goes to the movie makers (instead of natok makers in NTV and Channel-I)

Lets face it. The real customer for these bangla movies are the rest of the generation of Bangladesh, the rickshaw wala, the garment worker, the day labourer, etc. They bring the money to the producer, and therefore their needs are served by the movie producers. Unless the middle class again start seeing movies in the cinema hall, they are non-factor in the decision making of the producer about what kind of movies they are going to produce. Its a simple matter of supply and demand; if the paying customer want so called quality movies, they will get it, if they are happy with so called bad movies, that’s what they will get. Therefore the so called quality customer needs to show the producer that they are willing to pay for quality movies by not rent pirated movies from movie stores. Only then they can influence the producer.

Rubu
December 5, 2005, 05:02 PM
Humayun ahmed's shamol chhaya got nominated for oscar as best foreign film. might not win it, but should should be good. have not seen it yet.

Jafar Iqbal's 'dipu number 2' was a good one.

But there is no future of bangladeshi movies besides the two brothers mentioned above.

howzatt!
December 5, 2005, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
Humayun ahmed's shamol chhaya got nominated for oscar as best foreign film. might not win it, but should should be good. have not seen it yet.

Jafar Iqbal's 'dipu number 2' was a good one.

But there is no future of bangladeshi movies besides the two brothers mentioned above.

i've watched shamol chaya, and i loved it (except for shawon's nakamis) . it was submitted by bangladesh for final nominations, but didn't make it to the final list. Though the best bangla movie i've watched is matir moyna.



Edited on, December 6, 2005, 4:31 AM GMT, by howzatt!.

Tehsin
December 6, 2005, 12:31 AM
Script gulor upor r ektu nojor diley, family values (not the nekami kind) niye chobi korle r natok er actor/actress r professional director diye chobi korle, unnoti hotey parey. I think bhalo chobir cheyeo kothin kaaj hobey, middle and upper class manushder movie theatre e firiye ana.

Indian cinemai ekta jinish lokkho korlam, bidesh theke lekha pora kore othoba shikkhito family theke bhalo school college hoye jokhon actor/dirctor/producer/others hindi chobitey aashlo, oder chobir maan 5 bochor e onek onek change hoye gelo. Aagey kintu bochorey haat e gona dui charta chobi bhalo hoto. Ekhon boro boro producer der najar o poshchim mukhi (UK and USA). Ekhane hall a ticket er daam $10, ek ek jon cusomer thekei 460 rupee kore pachche, plus DVD sales, bhalo business. Aajkaal kichu kichu chobir maan kintu khubi bhalo. Ekta jinish shudhu hashi pai, ora jokhoni boley international audience oder chobi dekhe, eta bolte bhule jaai je 99%+ of viewers ashole desi, so count korena.

Tarporo, oder theke kintu amader onek kichu shikhar aache. Amra ek dikey kokhono oder shathe parbona, r sheta holo sex appeal. Amra culturally onek beshi reserved r amader diye oder onek kichui hobena. However, amra oder shathe storyline/script e kintu shomaney palla ditey parbo. We just need to work harder on our movie projects. Instead of rehashing the same old formulas, we need to have some new blood pumping new ideas into Dollywood.

Ahmed_B
December 6, 2005, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by Fazal
Lets face it. The real customer for these bangla movies are the rest of the generation of Bangladesh, the rickshaw wala, the garment worker, the day labourer, etc. They bring the money to the producer, and therefore their needs are served by the movie producers. Unless the middle class again start seeing movies in the cinema hall, they are non-factor in the decision making of the producer about what kind of movies they are going to produce......
Yes you are right about the commercial benefit of the odd and substandard FDC movies and their impact on the whole quality of the movie industry... but in recent times, the educated consumer group (middle & upper-middle class) has shown some real passion for quality movies and they actually went to the Cinema Halls to watch them and went there with whole family. There are examples of movies like the 'Bachelor' getting full house audience 10 weeks in a row.

I think there needs to be some strong quality control initiative from the Cultural Ministry as well as other related govt. organizations like the Censor Board and others to stop the production of odd Bangla movies. Obviously they do not control the objectionable elements of the commercially made FDC bangla movies and allow them to go into the market and hence bring some raw money back to the producers. Related authorities, including the Censor board surely gets thick amount of share from the release of each scrap movie.

In the last few years, there has been movies like Bachelor, Aguner poroshmoni, Shyamol Chhaya, Joyjatra, Wrong Number, Moner Majhe Tumi... and few others more which I don’t remember right now. Some of these movies are quality products and some are simple entertainers... but they surely do not contain the odd elements of the traditional cheap bangla movies. There has been many classic bangla movies like ‘Shimana Peryea’/ ‘Ora Agaro Jon’/ ‘Abar Tora Maunsh Ho’ produced from FDC back in the 70’s/80’s. Very recently, the BD movies are slowly trying to recover from its dark age which followed the golden era of it... but to enhance the growth of quality movies, the odd ones must be stopped. To be frank, the commercial bangla movies are too substandard & embracing to be produced from an educated and civic society!

Spitfire_x86
December 6, 2005, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by Rubu
Humayun ahmed's shamol chhaya got nominated for oscar as best foreign film. might not win it, but should should be good. have not seen it yet.
Who said it was nominated for Oscar? They just sent it to Oscar.

Anyway, that movie was Humayun Ahmed's worst movie. It was bad in every way. His quality started to go downhill with "Srabon Megher Din", and now he has completely run out of ideas.

Tehsin
December 6, 2005, 01:32 AM
It's a little off topic but remember that Taslima Nasreen was supposedly nominated for Nobel prize (if i recall correctly) and I think same think with Sheikh Haseens. These people are just sad. It's easy to nominate anyone to the committee but there's a big difference between being nominated by the actual committee as opposed to being nominated by 'friends' and 'family members'.

Ahmed_B
December 6, 2005, 01:35 AM
Actually... there were two similar kind of release last year. One was Shyamol Chhaya by Humayun and the other was Joyjatra by Towkir Ahmed. Qualitywise.... Joyjatra was far ahead of Shyamol Chhaya (which eventually came out as Humayun's worst cheapshot movies). But the rumor is that the BD selection committee sent Humayun's movie insted of Joyjatra for oscar participation because of Humayun's stronger links to the media world. No one in BD actually liked Shyamol Chhaya, which makes a mockery out of the serious & scary experience of the '71 months.

Sauron
December 6, 2005, 01:44 AM
I think the main reason for the ultra-low quality Bangla movies is lack of entertainment otherwise.

The average blue collar people would rather choose a Tk7 worth of loud and unreal Bangla movie over a trip back to the slum to face the pangs of poverty and reality. <b>If the movie producers start losing their stock audience, they will start changing their formula to draw them back. </b>As long as the industry is making money, they do not care if the 10Tk note belonged to a Rickshaw-wallah or a College professor.

<b>Like everything else, mass entertainment is a manifestation of our general rabid poverty.

If reality was not this hard for the working masses, they would not be so driven to escape it.</b>

I know I am over-simplifying the problem. What makes it worse is that I do not see a simple solution. Sorry, had to let it out.

Orpheus
December 6, 2005, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by howzatt!
Though the best bangla movie i've watched is matir moyna.


are you guys serious?? All of you people have some bad taste or were fed to many pocha jinish that even cheap barely tolerable stuff make u feel good.

A movie that can not hold me for atleast 20 mins is not worth mentioning..... That movie is just tooooo boring (hence I ddin't watch the whole thing).....

I don't think that movie deserve a name along with early movies from H. Ahmed......

H. Ahmed can be a genius if he wants to.... RIght now, he only writes for people who would actually read his book - Poor semi-educated teenagers!

I think there are very few authors in this world who can stir a whole nation asking to change the ending of a story because they are so attached to the character - they can not tolerate its death.....as if they are losing part of themselves.

Anyways, I didn't watch Matir Moyna to its entirety but like I said.. a movie that can not hold a patience of its vieweres is never good.....

As for the Topic: A lot of things need to change first before you will see movies of good qualities. You need to make a strong base of viewers who are willing to watch those movies. A part of culture needs to be changed definitely. With all the piracay and everything, Hollywood still manages to make money off movies simply because going to Cinema Hall (family out or dating or watever) is part of this culture.....

Bangladeshi psyche needs to be changed. My father admitted of growing up watching movies in the hall every week during school years....

I was taught only "uneducated people" go to movie theaters. It is BAD!! So there is your hypocricy and the eventual change in psyche of younger Bangladeshis...
which equals nobody goes to theater = movies for those who go there.

It will continue to be this way unfortunately.....

Edited on, December 6, 2005, 10:19 PM GMT, by Orpheus.

AsifTheManRahman
December 6, 2005, 08:05 PM
<a href = "http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/elephant_lznp-r0420.jpg">this</a> has to be eliminated from the heroines' parts in order to improve the quality of bangla movies.

Edited on, December 7, 2005, 1:05 AM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

thebest
December 6, 2005, 08:53 PM
Dear Orphy,
I agree with you. I think we were one of the few country where middle class is less interested to go cinema hall. My parents told us they used to go cinema together in the late 60s even after independence. They stopped going there in late 70s. We grown up knowing going to cinema is bad. But same can be true for bangla drama in TV. We have very poor writer.

Navarene
December 6, 2005, 09:06 PM
It may sound a bit off topic, but is anyone lucky enough in this board to watch the following bangla movies?
- Baba keno chakor
- Shami keno ashami

I must admit that the guys who put such names of a movie are geneous and imaginative!