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nihi
February 8, 2006, 01:07 PM
There has been talk about extras that our U19 boys are conceding in the current tournament. Matter of concern, no question. Then a comment from MacFadyen, Austrlaian coach, caught my eye.

The umpires are applying strict rules as they should. Perhaps these boys haven't had a lot of experience playing under those strict ICC conditions. Today the ball wasn't swinging but both teams bowled lots of wides. Neither team could blame swing. It is an interesting one as to why it is happening,

So I thought we should look at the numbers and came up with following two tables, after each of the teams has played 2 games with their groupmates. First thing to notice is that, almost every team can be accused of being somewhat generous in this regard, remarkable exception being the Group D.

The four countries from Group D(Nepal, England, Ireland Zimbabwe) makes it to the top 5 teams in terms of conceding fewer extras. Wonder why. The other team to make the top 5 is India from Group C, who bowled only 46.1 overs in both match . But other members of this group are fairly spreaded over the list.

Nepal tops the list with a miserly average of 0.20 extras per over and USA at the bottom being almost 6 times as generous as Nepal with an average of 1.15.

Out of 16 teams, Bangladesh is not doing very good at position 11.


Conceded extras (game by game)

NZ vs BD: 33/45.3 vs 20/37.5
PK vs UG: 18/12.5 vs 25/33.3
NZ vs UG: 16/50.0 vs 27/48.4
BD vs PK: 23/34.5 vs 27/43.1
AU vs SA: 17/50.0 vs 30/34.0
WI vs US: 21/50.0 vs 55/45.4
SA vs US: 21/50.0 vs 31/29.1
AU vs WI: 30/47.5 vs 32/48.0
SL vs SC: 38/39.5 vs 31.49.4
IN vs NA: 07/27.1 vs 26/48.5
SL vs NA: 32/50.0 vs 17/38.3
IN vs SC: 07/19.0 vs 18/40.3
IR vs ZM: 13/29.1 vs 23/44.0
EG vs NP: 09/50.0 vs 05/45.2
NP vs ZM: 14/50.0 vs 21/49.5
EG vs IR: 29/49.4 vs 16/50.0


Average conceded extras/over
1. NP: 19/95.2 = 0.20
2. IN: 14/46.1 = 0.30
3. IR: 29/79.1 = 0.37
4. EG: 38/99.4 = 0.38
5. ZM: 44/93.5 = 0.47
6. AU: 47/97.5 = 0.48
7. NA: 43/87.2 = 0.49
8. NZ: 49/95.3 = 0.51
9. WI: 53/98.0 = 0.54
10. SC: 49/90.1 = 0.54
11. BD: 43/72.5 = 0.59
12. SA: 51/84.0 = 0.61
13. UG: 52/82.1 = 0.63
14. SL: 70/89.5 = 0.78
15. PK: 45/56.0 = 0.80
16. US: 86/74.5 = 1.15

I assumed that the innings where the bowling quota were not completed, might have yielded a better average extra runs/over, since usually last few overs are bowled by pacers, who are, in turn, usually wont to concede more extras. But the numbers are telling a different story:

Bowling Innings completed 50 overs

Conceded extras: 146
Overs bowled: 400
average: 0.36

Bowling Innings didn't complet 50 overs

Conceded extras: 586
Overs bowled: 941
average: 0.62

Tigers_eye
February 8, 2006, 01:19 PM
Nice analysis!! thanks, was trying to find something like this on the Web. Great job!!

I have no problem with any teams except India. Now we need to know do they have any pacers and how many overs did they bowl? or the Coach Prasad (ex-Indian pacer) has taught his boys well. Our coach need to talk to our boys and rectify against uganda.

.3 against our .6 spells trouble. With that many extra ball they will have an advantage unless we fix the problem ASAP.

Edited on, February 8, 2006, 6:22 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

Tigers_eye
February 8, 2006, 03:13 PM
This is an off topic but I did not wanted to open a new thread.

Worry!! for home court advantage.

We as a group champ will be A1. Our quarter final match will be held at P Saravanamuttu Stadium, Colombo against D2 (Eng or Zim). Non of those team played there where as we played there against NZ. Fine and dandy. We have the advantage of knowing the pitch and how it reacts.

The next faze Semi Finals if we move on would be held on R Premadasa Stadium, Khettarama, Colombo.

Whoever would win the group C then they would have played in that ground all her matches. All 3 group matches and the Quarterfinals. Semis and finals will be held there as well.

Now the opponents of C1 whoever may be (WI or SA) would not have the experience to play in that field.

So, for sure whoever wins the C1 position gets the home court all the way. I wonder how was that selected after the drawing. Wasn't Pakistan seeded as #1 seed for being defending champs? So A1 should get the advantage instead of C1, right?

Edited on, February 8, 2006, 8:15 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

sadi
February 8, 2006, 03:22 PM
probably they wanted to give srilanka the home court advantage... being the home team, obviously they got their matches on premadasa stadium which the best stadium of the nation....

mshakir56
February 8, 2006, 05:03 PM
Looks like most of the extras are due to the strict guidelines.

CricTiger
February 8, 2006, 07:34 PM
We are not getting any fast bowlers from this tournament. And extras are our concerns of late. Most of our spinners are left handed and doing better than out quickies that really worries me.

babubangla
February 9, 2006, 01:41 PM
Nice Work!!

Bangladesh's poor form with conceding extra carried on even against Uganda. In Ugandan innings, 32 runs out of total 84 were extras. No only that--this 32 extra was the highest score in their innings.

Shafin
February 9, 2006, 01:58 PM
a real field to work on the quarter final espcially semifinal,as we will have tougher opponents there
today 16 of 26 runs conceded by sonnet was from extra.

Tigers_eye
February 9, 2006, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by babubangla
Nice Work!!

Bangladesh's poor form with conceding extra carried on even against Uganda. In Ugandan innings, 32 runs out of total 84 were extras. No only that--this 32 extra was the highest score in their innings.

With our great performance in conceding extras we have over taken SA and UG. Now there is only three teams to beat. SL, Pakistan and USA.

Our Stance is 75/106.3 overs .7
We have managed to jump from .59 to .7 in one match. No way we can catch USA but surely we can over take the other 2 nations in matter of one game. If Paki and SL rectify who knows we may be lucky and overtake by default.

It would be better to bat first and to open with spinners. No pacers should be included. That should be a wake up call.

sadi
February 9, 2006, 02:35 PM
how can you possibly bowl 16 wides in 5 overs? :down:

Tigers_eye
February 9, 2006, 02:43 PM
2 wides went for fours. So basically he bowled 10 wides in 5 overs.

bd_cricket
February 9, 2006, 04:44 PM
If there is a FOUR of a wide ball it adds 1+4=5 runs in total and as well as in "wide" account.
I think in this case he bowled 8 wides in 5 overs (16-2x4=8). Am I wrong?

shamster
February 9, 2006, 05:49 PM
This is very worrying; 32 rund given to Uganda in extras ! I mean it is great 3 wins in 3; but we got to smarten up if inshallah we get to the semi final. Though I can see Zimbabwe been a banana skin hope we get England. Who are we likely to get in Semi Final.

Inshallah we will win or do real well. Also this guy sonnet I saw him bowl once when he was in England very fragile guy and was not all that good. I cant believe how dollar is not getting the wickets.

Edited on, February 9, 2006, 10:50 PM GMT, by shamster.

TheWatcher
February 9, 2006, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by bd_cricket
If there is a FOUR of a wide ball it adds 1+4=5 runs in total and as well as in "wide" account.
I think in this case he bowled 8 wides in 5 overs (16-2x4=8). Am I wrong?
Makes sense to me.

thebest
February 9, 2006, 10:43 PM
I have one solution. We were playing in star summer junior cricket. That was tournament which unearth Akram, Nannu and so other Cht player in 80s and early 90s. One of our fielder (our main batsman) misses a dolly of opponets sloggers. It incensed one of our patron so much that he instructed that the poor guy should take 1 crore catch in practice before he could touch he bat in net. For 3 days he did not permit the kid to net practice with bat. He had only catch practice. After 3 days he took arond 1500 catches and other patrons insistence the poor guy's punisment is suspended. Fortunately he did not drop any case in the tournament ever.
De winter could take same approach. force the bowler to bowl in one stamp. For each ball passing the stamp more 3 inches outside he have to bowl 10 more extra ball without taking any break.
Am I too cruel?