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pilot fan
February 12, 2006, 03:14 PM
i think rahim should be drafted in to the test squad for the sirlankan series

he is in good form and he showed on his first match against eng what a class player he is

he is the ideal player to fill our vacant number 5 slot

think what our batting oder would be like if all our players played to the best of there ability

J omar - solid player and can spend time at the crease and hold the innings together

s nafees - a real talented strooke maker very good of the back foot

H basher - our most relable batsman scores at a good rate and often leads by example

M Ash - the talent of our batting order has all the shots justs needs to improve in shot selection

M Rahim - our most correct batsman who has a real touch of class about his play

A Ahmed - another stroke maker can play all round the wicket needs to learn what balls he can attack

i think with this batting order we could start to make real big scores at test match level and i see rahim as the key to this as he can add real stability to the middle order

cricman
February 12, 2006, 03:21 PM
Don't you think the little man might be tired. 16 years old and has played. I don't know about 20 ODI's in the last 2 months.

Let the Little Man face WI U-19. He'll get a another Cap at the end of the year.

sunniath
February 12, 2006, 03:44 PM
now yet.he should be brought to the 'A' team first.he can also be the captain of the 'A' team.then he can be brought to the national team,and later can be made the deputy of habibul.this way there will be a replacement captain ready after habibul's retirement.if he starts to play as a specialist batsman now,down the line, he may lose his touch with the gloves.he can serve three purposes for the bd team.he can keep,bat and lead.we should be extra careful with this dude.it will be foolish to rush him into the national side and then lose him like other young players in the past.

mahrookh
February 12, 2006, 06:57 PM
Who's taking a look at your squad ? It's gonna finalise by the Coach , Captain and the Selectors . They have huge amount of ideas about the cricket . Hell lot more than us . So , whatever they try that would be better for our team . If we fail , just think noone would have done better than this .

Who is the Little master ? It can't be Ashraful at all . Such a shame as he's having less than 25 avg in both forms of cricket . He should commit suicide before he looks at his performance :)

Go_Bangladesh
February 12, 2006, 07:02 PM
I agree with sunniath, no player no matter how good he plays should not be brought into the national squad from the u19s at such a young age. When young players are brought into national side, they never do good as the pressure is to much to handle, they get thrashed mentally and never really recovers. We the Bangladeshi fans have experienced this with various different players, ash, n. iqbal, aftab, alok, mash, talha et al. These players are all talented but have been brought into the national side too early and now after spending so many years in the team, still havent figured out what they can and cannot do. We have learnt our lessons, the selectors are absolutely right in not bringing in any new players for the sl series. We need consistency and bringing mushfiq will hurt the team in terms of consistency and hurt mushfiq as a player, so it is loose loose situation. Therefore Mushfiq should not be brought into the national side nor any of the other u19 stars for atleast the next 3-4 years if you want these players to succeed and justify their undoubted talent. In an ending note, think of this, if Ash had been brought into the national teams now or a year a ago maximum, then sure we would not have had our win against australia, but ash with all the experience he would have gained playing for the u19s, A teams and then games against touring sides, domestic cricket and A teams tours, he would have been a much better player than he is now, and example of this is Shahriar Nafees. He is not nearly as talented as Ash but his averages are far better than his, why is this? its because he came into the side a lot later (19 but for our debutants, thats old) and is clearly showing the advantages for him and the team.

mahrookh
February 12, 2006, 08:17 PM
Nice example is "Micheal Hussey" of Australia . Avg more than 125+ in odi and he is brought after playing county's in England and also when he was reached his 30 . We should get the ideas from them who should we select or not !!!

russellprb
February 12, 2006, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by cricman
Don't you think the little man might be tired. 16 years old and has played. I don't know about 20 ODI's in the last 2 months.

Let the Little Man face WI U-19. He'll get a another Cap at the end of the year.


agree

sadi
February 12, 2006, 08:37 PM
well definately he deserves some rest... so no qus about srilanka series... he wont be there... maybe in kenya series, the selectors may keep him in the squad just as an understudy to khaled masud... he can learn a lot being in that enviornment...

gravitY
February 12, 2006, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by mahrookh

Who is the Little master ? It can't be Ashraful at all . Such a shame as he's having less than 25 avg in both forms of cricket . He should commit suicide before he looks at his performance :)

easy there!! i think he's quite aware of this fact, and trying to overcome this. till then.. why not we support him?

and the best thing about him is he's got all the shots and can dominate the innings on his day, which i've seen no other BD batsman can do. remember the 158* innings against India? I'd say the best Test innings among the BD batsmen. Alas! he ran short of partner, else, i guess, he would have ended up with a double-ton.

mshakir56
February 12, 2006, 09:29 PM
The little master might seem little, but he doesn't think little at all. But I still think he needs more experience before he takes his flight into the national team.

cricman
February 12, 2006, 10:51 PM
Test Average of 23 isn't bad considering the fact that he was thrown to the wolves at the age of 16.

Mike hussey a special player but he still hasn't played a innings where it wasn't the late part of the innings. Hussey comes around the 45 over. When your Average gets boosted with a 22* from 97 to 100+ and his high score is 88*(55). If Hussey was a top order batsmen than that be different.

rafiq
February 13, 2006, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by sunniath
and later can be made the deputy of habibul.this way there will be a replacement captain ready after habibul's retirement.

Isn't it way too early to talk about making him vice captain?

Knowing that he has already played one Test, it would not be a surprise to see Mushfiq put back on the national team soon. He is a class above his peers at the junior level no doubt, but I agree that he should be handled with a little more time through the the A team route.

Tigers_eye
February 13, 2006, 02:52 PM
Choice 1: Practicing with the u-19 Squad. playing good innings against WI U-19 and SL/Zim U-19. What would he learn that he already knows?

Choice 2: Practicing with national squad and not playing but getting feedback from DW and senior players.

Questions:
Why were he used at Lords?

Why did two selectors accompany the U-19 team?

May be he needs a rest. Definitely we will see him against the Australian team.


Also for vice captain we have one. K Masud. Future captain, we have that one too, S Nafis. He needs to be included for the preparation for the WC.

Umar
February 13, 2006, 03:19 PM
I really do wanted to see mushfiqur Rahim in the Test Match against Srilanka !! It would've been a better opportunity for him to prove himself in home.

I wish all the Good wishes for this kid. (A future Bangladesh captain..and surely he will be):up:

Haradhon
February 13, 2006, 11:04 PM
Lets include him in the national team and groom him slowly.

Hatebreed
February 13, 2006, 11:08 PM
I think it'd be a good idea to try him in a test match, but may be not ODI... he needs to keep playing at 1st class level until he's a bit matured.. surely he's talented, but just not ready enough for the national XI.

sadi
February 13, 2006, 11:25 PM
Interesting point there. Who do you think is the future captain for Bangladesh? Shahriar Nafees, Mushfiqur Rahim or Ashraful? Just want to know what you guys think.

cricman
February 13, 2006, 11:30 PM
Captains job is to get wins right?

Ashraful's record is perfect for Sonorgan and Dhaka in one dayers and only almost perfrect in the four dayers with only 1 draw? It's not fair because Ash play's in the better teams in Domestc Cricket unlike a S. Nafees

Sauron
February 13, 2006, 11:46 PM
লিটল মাস্টার আর কতো? তেন্দু, গাভাস্কার এরা তো দুইজন-ই লিটল। আমাদের আশ-রা-ফুল ও লিটল। এখন মুশফিক লিটল। আর কতো?

মাস্টার ফাস্টার বুঝিনা। মুশফিক লরডস এ টেস্ট খেলেছে আগেই। ওকে নতুন করে টেস্ট টিম এ নেয়ার কি আছে? আমার তো মনে হয় ওকে এম্নিতেই টিম এ নিবে।

অবশ্য আমাদের ভোদাই সিলেক্টর'রা মুশফিক এর বদলে কাপালি কে নিতে পারে।

sunniath
February 14, 2006, 12:24 AM
Originally posted by rafiq
Originally posted by sunniath
and later can be made the deputy of habibul.this way there will be a replacement captain ready after habibul's retirement.

Isn't it way too early to talk about making him vice captain?

Knowing that he has already played one Test, it would not be a surprise to see Mushfiq put back on the national team soon. He is a class above his peers at the junior level no doubt, but I agree that he should be handled with a little more time through the the A team route.
i meant after few years when he will be a regular in the national side.sorry for not being clear about it.

TheWatcher
February 17, 2006, 03:55 AM
Mushfiq will have nine days break in between the last U/19 match this Saturday to the 28th of February when the first Test starts- enough time to recuperate. Considering our fragile middle order batting line-up, it will be a very sensible thing for the selectors to include him in the Test squad.

thebest
February 17, 2006, 04:52 AM
To me, He has a mature head on a young soulder. He could taught how to play cool to the over rated Ash, the compulsive pooler/hooker (sorry I could not find a better word:P) Basher how to play depending on sitution. I think he is the ideal no 6 for Bangladesh and has the coolest head after may be Pilot. So I vote for him for test cap againest SL. And what would be an occasion his home debut in his home town.

Edited on, February 17, 2006, 9:53 AM GMT, by thebest.

Ahmed_B
February 17, 2006, 05:04 AM
So someone having a good form in age group level=equally good for the big guy's league and must be taken in immediately?

havn't we tried to digest this equation many many times before in this forum and have been brought straight back to earth with bitter touches of reality? :)

Tigers_eye
February 17, 2006, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by Ahmed_B
So someone having a good form in age group level=equally good for the big guy's league and must be taken in immediately?

havn't we tried to digest this equation many many times before in this forum and have been brought straight back to earth with bitter touches of reality? :)

Yes, we have. But we are talking about a different cat. This cat has already played at Lords. That was big time in the big leagues. Our team needs a person like him. Stoping the top/middle order collapse is his specialty.

Fazal
February 17, 2006, 10:10 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Mushfiq will have nine days break in between the last U/19 match this Saturday to the 28th of February when the first Test starts- enough time to recuperate. Considering our fragile middle order batting line-up, it will be a very sensible thing for the selectors to include him in the Test squad.

Agree with you. Also I think its Bashar, who was complaining about playing too many games last year. I haven't heard any complain from Mushfiq yet about too many games. Then why worry about Mushfiq? Shoud we worry about Bashar instead (playing too many games)?

May be its time to give a break to Bashar & Co. (whoever complains about palying too much) once in a while and therefore remove another excuse that they will use after their future failure.




Edited on, February 17, 2006, 3:18 PM GMT, by Fazal.

sadi
February 17, 2006, 10:34 AM
Do you really wanna play Mushfiq in test matches? He hardly played any longer version of the game... I don't remember him playing any NCL games for any team... Yeah I know he played in Lords and scored century against some county teams... but I would rather play him in odis for now if I have to and let him get some experience in longer version of the games...

Umar
February 17, 2006, 10:41 AM
Let Mushfiq to be grow up a bit.....Even though I'd love to see him playing against srilanka in this tournament.....But I dont want to see that after performing good in Few matches.....He is collapsing.....

Remember...When Ashraful Played First Test.....he was called Little Master....PLayed good to in few matches.....But its not as much as we want.....

We wanted Ashraful to play better then everyone....And he could play...But for some reason he cannot show it.......

I dont want to see the same thing happening to Mushfiq......

rudro
February 17, 2006, 10:46 AM
একটা লোক বছরখানেক আগে ক্রিকেটের মক্কায় খেলল। তারপর ধীরে ধীরে তার যোগ্যতার প্রমাণ দিল এ দলে, অনুর্ধ উনিশে। এখনো তার বড় হওয়া নিয়ে আমরা এত চিন্তিত কেন?

Fazal
February 17, 2006, 10:57 AM
As I said in other thread, Ashraful and Mushfiq are in the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of their mentality and maturity (comparing at the same age).

No body questioned about Ashraful's skills and talents, but people questioned about his maturity (and its development) as a player. Actually Ashraful (or players like him) is a perfect example, when you don't bring a player too early.

For Mushfiq's case, it completely different. It’s not his maturity aspect that is the major risk-factor, its lack his of experience in the highest level that is the major risk-factor. Mushfiq (or players like him) is a perfect example when you can streamline or by-pass the process for team's need. Because its players like Mushfiq (not players like Ashraful) have a better chance to make it sooner (i.e. by over coming lack of experience)

So comparing Ash's case may not be a good example, why we shouldn’t consider him. I understand when people say he should wait. But to me the more valid reason should be his lack of experience not lack of his maturity.

Dhakablues
February 17, 2006, 11:07 AM
Replace a little with a little... Kick Ashraful out and bring Mushfiq in. But I dont think thats gonna happen. This is what I think... there is a chance will BD lose to Srilanka badly in first match or two due to their long break from international cricket. In that case, the selectors policy to continue to have the same team will be and should be questioned. And like it or not U19 team is our only source of players in national tea. BCB doesnt beleive in 'A' team.... we should get that by now.

I still think our combination is not balanced. We still dont have a solid middle order, we lack offspinners, we lack partner for Mashrafee. We got Nafees to settle the opening partner question and few quality SLA to back up Rafique.

The current bunch has the experience but not the skills and mental strength to win games. My 2 c.

Flipper
February 17, 2006, 11:10 AM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Mushfiq will have nine days break in between the last U/19 match this Saturday to the 28th of February when the first Test starts- enough time to recuperate. Considering our fragile middle order batting line-up, it will be a very sensible thing for the selectors to include him in the Test squad.

Switching thy party... :P

Edited on, February 17, 2006, 4:36 PM GMT, by Flipper.
Reason: Spelling

sadi
February 17, 2006, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Fazal
As I said in other thread, Ashraful and Mushfiq are in the opposite side of the spectrum in terms of their mentality and maturity (comparing at the same age).

No body questioned about Ashraful's skills and talents, but people questioned about his maturity (and its development) as a player. Actually Ashraful (or players like him) is a perfect example, when you don't bring a player too early.

For Mushfiq's case, it completely different. It’s not his maturity aspect that is the major risk-factor, its lack his of experience in the highest level that is the major risk-factor. Mushfiq (or players like him) is a perfect example when you can streamline or by-pass the process for team's need. Because its players like Mushfiq (not players like Ashraful) have a better chance to make it sooner (i.e. by over coming lack of experience)

So comparing Ash's case may not be a good example, why we shouldn’t consider him. I understand when people say he should wait. But to me the more valid reason should be his lack of experience not lack of his maturity.

Yeah, his lack of experience is a concern. Our selectors made so many mistakes before that now even if they see a player who can make it to the top while he is still young, they will have to face criticism. Musfiq is too valuable for us and he should be used properly. I rather see him sit out a year or two to gain experience than risking him to use now and lose. Maybe he is ready, maybe not but the question is do you want to take that chance?

TheWatcher
February 17, 2006, 12:42 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Switching thy party... :P
Not really, during the Bangladesh-England series, I believe, I was the only one to suggest that he should be given his debut during the home series against Sri Lanka. I am still not convinced that giving him his early debut against Harmison-Hoggard in testing conditions was such a good idea. It is very safe for me to say that whatever you and your supporters were expecting from him against England was unrealistic and never happened in reality.

However, Mushfiq has shown plenty of signs in last few months to convince me that he has matured even further (as I expected), at least enough to face Murali-Jayasuriy on some Chittagong or Bogra batting friendly wicket.

Dhakablues
February 17, 2006, 02:23 PM
The question becomes, now that U19 world cup is over,, what happens to these cricketers? Do they just dissapear and start to play national league ? or they are going to be picked as a team to play more tournaments.. if so, what tournaments are planned for them in the next 6 months?

Mushfiq already played a Test match against England. And got his battism by fire...He definitely couldve played against Srilanka as a specialist batsman instead of Aftab/Ashraful. Atleast he is not a russial roulette like Ashraful is ( score 150 one innings, score -4 the next).

rudro
February 17, 2006, 03:27 PM
Originally posted by Dhakablues
The question becomes, now that U19 world cup is over,, what happens to these cricketers? Do they just dissapear and start to play national league ? or they are going to be picked as a team to play more tournaments.. if so, what tournaments are planned for them in the next 6 months?

Mushfiq already played a Test match against England. And got his battism by fire...He definitely couldve played against Srilanka as a specialist batsman instead of Aftab/Ashraful. Atleast he is not a russial roulette like Ashraful is ( score 150 one innings, score -4 the next).
আপনিতো ভাই ............ খাওয়ার কাজ করতেছেন। আশঅরাফুলকে নিয়ে এত বড় কথা! একটু অপেক্ষা করেন, দেখেন আপনার কি অবস্থা করে।

Flipper
February 17, 2006, 03:36 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
Originally posted by Flipper
Switching thy party... :P
Not really, during the Bangladesh-England series, I believe, I was the only one to suggest that he should be given his debut during the home series against Sri Lanka. I am still not convinced that giving him his early debut against Harmison-Hoggard in testing conditions was such a good idea. It is very safe for me to say that whatever you and your supporters were expecting from him against England was unrealistic and never happened in reality.

The situation, the reality, and the end result all are summed up in this article (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/story/236762.html)

However, Mushfiq has shown plenty of signs in last few months to convince me that he has matured even further (as I expected), at least enough to face Murali-Jayasuriy on some Chittagong or Bogra batting friendly wicket.

Don't you think this also has a lot to do with his Experience at Lords.

Dhakablues
February 17, 2006, 10:37 PM
I dont think he Ashraful is not talented.. I think he is, just as much as Al Shahrier Rokon is. Here is our problem,, Bashar and Ashraful both plays same style, Hooks, pulls and gets run that way,, which is all good for ODIs. But when it comes to test cricket,, its not about how you blasted the bowler. I would never trust Ashraful as much as I would trust Rajin, Javed or even Mashud. Yet we all call the latters as ' they play with their limitations'.

Shewag doesnt care about technique yet he is one of the top batsman in the world,,But you can never say India cannot rely on Shewag. Its because of their own track records,, Ashraful never showed that level of confidence. When he clicks he is a nightmare to all world class bowlers, would score plenty of runs without any problem. But that pleasure only comes once in blue moon. He is, to my opinion, the most remarkably exciting waste of talent, Bangladesh ever had thus far.

Ahmed_B
February 18, 2006, 12:26 AM
One match at LORDS.. and so many people are so eger to pull the young talent into higher level pre-maturely!

OK.. lets drag him in the squad and lets shatter his possible bright furute right now! go for it! :down:

Umar
February 18, 2006, 07:15 AM
I think BCCB should organise Tours and invite international teams...And this will make them stay with cricket and build up their Abilities.............:exclamation: