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Sham
February 20, 2006, 05:43 AM
I never will understand the thinking that goes behind our team selection!

So they take Kapali, which obviously I am all for, but they bat him at number 9! What a totally crazy idea. I could understand not picking him, which would be well justified given that he really hasn't done much to warrant a place in the side, but if you are going to take him, why the hell wouldn't you atleast give him a chance to make a difference to the game?

He should have batted in the top 6 or 7 atleast. He might have failed but who here would have been surprised by that? As a matter of fact, most of Banglacricket's wise patrons would have been happy to see him fail. But to make him bat at a position where even if he came good, he'd run out of partners is a total waste of talent!

This is like making Ashraful bat at 9!! He fails most of the time as well but when he comes good, he makes a massive impact on the game! Why would you take a player and not give him a chance to perform? Would you take a specialist bowler and give him 1 over to bowl? Stupid strategy!!

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 06:19 AM
Well said :up:

RazabQ
February 20, 2006, 06:36 AM
Sham, welcome back. I agree to some extent. Kapali should have come in at least before Rafiq.

cricket_pagol
February 20, 2006, 06:39 AM
I think kapali should have come in after pilot at least if not earlier.

The only logical?! explanation i have is that they were trying to replicate kapali's first international appearance. I hope he will bat higher up in the next game.

BanCricFan
February 20, 2006, 06:57 AM
I have echoed the same on the match thread several times.
This is stupidity of stupendous scale! What a shocker!!! This amply illustrates a lack of pro-active, long term vision from our cricket think tank! They reminds me of headless chikens!

If you pick a player then play him or dont pick him at all!!!

PoorFan
February 20, 2006, 07:19 AM
Does it make any difference when a team score 51 for 6? Or 37 for 5? Dav may have tried to stop the collapse by sending Mashud and Rafique early instead of vulnerable ( sudden come back ) Kapali. All OTHERWISE make sense after a total failure like our team. I don't see any merit on arguing Kapali's batting position today.

fab
February 20, 2006, 07:34 AM
Kapali at 9!! Are they retarded?

:mad:

sadi
February 20, 2006, 07:36 AM
trying to stop collapse by sending rafique? Nah I don't think so.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 07:38 AM
Originally posted by fab
Kapali at 9!! Are they retarded?

:mad:

Yep!

And poorfan, its the thinking behind the move that i'm after, not what ended up happening in this match.

mahrookh
February 20, 2006, 07:39 AM
Sending kapali at the top wouldn't have been better anyway :) They all are same :) Shob e ek e goyaler goru . Just find out Chacha's economy rate per over :)

BanCricFan
February 20, 2006, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Sham
And poorfan, its the thinking behind the move that i'm after, not what ended up happening in this match.

Exactly! Wasim Akram put the same question to Bashar. There was no logic behind this "masterstroke"!

mahrookh
February 20, 2006, 08:23 AM
As Bashar said , We decieded to put a batsman at number8 . It's a great logic indeed from a captain :)

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 08:24 AM
Wasim Akram was also surprised to see Kapali at #9. When he asked Bashar about it, he answered that they just wanted a batsman at #8. গর্দভ আর কাকে বলে! :mad:

I can understand sending Pilot at #6 to stop collapse, but why did they send Chacha and Rafique before Kapali? Chacha was lucky to score 36, he was dropped at slip when his score was just over 10.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 1:24 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

nas
February 20, 2006, 08:33 AM
kapali is technically good batsam. when i watch him on tv most foreign commentators praise his technique.

His Temperamen has been questioned but not his ability.

with the technique rafiue and mahmud has, it doesn't take a genious to work out that kapali would have been much better option to stop the collapse and hopefully put few runs on the board.

Aritro
February 20, 2006, 08:34 AM
I believe there is a thread below with an article where Whatmore is quoted as saying that the decision to bat Kapali down the order was modelled on the U/19 batting lineup.

Ahmed_B
February 20, 2006, 08:43 AM
Kapali othoba selector der dosh die r ki hobe?

We allready had low expectations from him.. but what about our-so called top-order??

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 09:09 AM
The only time I was surprised regarding Kopali is when he was recalled in the preliminary squad. After that my surprise nerve went numb.

The explanation Dav game about kopali at #9 is that they wanted a team just like u19 team, where all the bowlers can bat. Kopali was given a chance as a legie (don't ask me why), who can (supposibly) bat too.

to me, it sounds like some people like him too much and want to see him in the team does not matter what. even if that means coming up with lame excuse.

CricTiger
February 20, 2006, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Rubu
The only time I was surprised regarding Kopali is when he was recalled in the preliminary squad. After that my surprise nerve went numb.

The explanation Dav game about kopali at #9 is that they wanted a team just like u19 team, where all the bowlers can bat. Kopali was given a chance as a legie (don't ask me why), who can (supposibly) bat too.

to me, it sounds like some people like him too much and want to see him in the team does not matter what. even if that means coming up with lame excuse.

Changes are coming soon.Our talented selectors left behind JO and RANA .I am keen to see how long they can efford this costly mistake.
And about KOPALI (ভালই নাম দিছেন)

This is an prime example of HOW lame an excuses can be.I do feel pitty for all these full of cow dunk brains.

Fortuner
February 20, 2006, 09:27 AM
I feel our U19 batsmans are more matured then our senir players in the field coz they always try to build up some progess when something goes rong in the middle of the batting....

Shame on our national team...our junior players can play better than them

I am thinking if BDu19 played SL national team..it would be a interesting match than BD national cricket team playing SL...

I aint making a point here that we shld bring those junior players here to national team..i am jst frsutrated seeing out national team failing so much in batting...hw much long will they take to use their brain in the field.....

Sham
February 20, 2006, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Rubu
The only time I was surprised regarding Kopali is when he was recalled in the preliminary squad. After that my surprise nerve went numb.

The explanation Dav game about kopali at #9 is that they wanted a team just like u19 team, where all the bowlers can bat. Kopali was given a chance as a legie (don't ask me why), who can (supposibly) bat too.

to me, it sounds like some people like him too much and want to see him in the team does not matter what. even if that means coming up with lame excuse.

There my friend Rubu goes again!! :)

If it was Rana instead of Kapali today, everyone would have been going nuts about Rana - the guy stays not out, bats like a tiger, only good batsman in the side, should bat ahead of Ashraful, what a classy player, look how assured he looked at the crease, look how cute his smile is, takes such a crucial wicket, and what a fantastic catch, isn't his bowling action sexy blah blah blah blah blah.

But wait...

its not Rana, its Kapali. So, what a useless innings, why is he in the team? who did he pay? who did he have to shag? he wasted too many balls, the wicket was pointless, the catch was easy, and so on and so forth....

something never change in banglacricket, must be why i love it so much!

oracle
February 20, 2006, 10:04 AM
I think a popular move by the selectors would be to repatriate Rana to the team;keep Kaps for the next two games and above all officially confirm chacha's resignation (which I amongst others still doubt).

That would be a hoot with a virtual tussle within the BC board for the next month and completely ignoring what is going on at the crease.

btw-kapali's wicket paved the way for a 5 wicket defeat instead of 8. Did'nt see the bowling but I hope he is on an uphill.

CTazim
February 20, 2006, 10:04 AM
I think it is time for a few changes.

1. Selection Committee Change
- Ineffective Selection committee.

2. Coach Change
- I don't think Dav's heart is in the right place.

3. We need to look at a coach into the future. I don't think we should renew Dav's contract after 2007.

4. I think we need to get Winters or McInnes to transition to Bangladesh National team.


5. Why do the performance differ night and day during the transition period from U-19 to the National team?

Simply put the U-19 team has exposure to playing International side and then between U-19 and transition to national team plays at SUB-PAR Bangladesh Cricket League (Doesn't matter what Taibu thinks of our league). A solution is to have arrangement with, say Australian Cricket Academy to have players graduatiing from U-19 to transitioning to the national team, play in Aussie league.

6. Another option would be to have a transition coach. That will work on maturity, etc. Remember, Aftab, Ash, Nafis Iqbal and Nafees are all product of the U-19 team. Maybe the BD-A or BCCI XI coaches should not be Bangladeshi ex players who are JUST SIMPLY NOT GOOD coaches.

7.While on one hand when BD U-19 team performs poorly on a
day may be sign of them just having a bad day, the players in the Bangladesh team are simply reprehensible. You all may think that I am a bit harsh but I think it is time for few of the players to go.

8. On another note, if Bangladesh Cricket League needs to be given any credibility, then the performance in the CCL should make a difference. But apparently it has not. This is utterly frustrating.

Nevertheless, I think Whatmore and the selection commitee along with that Manager (Latif - Who spoke in Urdu in Pakistan) need to be replaced.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 3:06 PM GMT, by CTazim.

zahid
February 20, 2006, 10:18 AM
Kapali mia teamey achey keno?

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Sham
There my friend Rubu goes again!! :)

If it was Rana instead of Kapali today, everyone would have been going nuts about Rana - the guy stays not out, bats like a tiger, only good batsman in the side, should bat ahead of Ashraful, what a classy player, look how assured he looked at the crease, look how cute his smile is, takes such a crucial wicket, and what a fantastic catch, isn't his bowling action sexy blah blah blah blah blah.

But wait...

its not Rana, its Kapali. So, what a useless innings, why is he in the team? who did he pay? who did he have to shag? he wasted too many balls, the wicket was pointless, the catch was easy, and so on and so forth....

something never change in banglacricket, must be why i love it so much!
:up: :up:

Although I don't think Kapali did something special to earn a place in this series, but since he is given a chance I want to see that the chance is a proper chance to prove himself.

It's great to see you again. We need some Rana haters and Kapali fans to balance things in BC forum. :lol:

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 10:28 AM
Agree to CTAzim to most extend. The cricket in bangladesh can take a better direction. It is true that this is the best we ever had. however, we have a lot of space for improvement.

1. We really need to work on closing the gap between u19 level and national team. we just don't do the things right here.

2. why do promising stars get out of the team so easily with bad forms? nafis iqbal showed a lot of promise only a few months ago. he is no where to be found now.

3. selectors are saying that int'l and domestic performance is the way to get into national team. do we see a reflect of that? NO. the top scorer of Premiur league did not get a call in national team. fine, they are saying that since shahriar is out of the team for too long and has been given enough chances he can be left out. how about the top two run scorer from national team name JO and Rana. interestingly, they both are left out.

4. not including the tour in england, where taposh was clearly injured, he had been a good performer. he is not to be seen in national team.

5. I just don't get it. what is in kopali? a hugely talented player with a badpatch? god bless cricket: a badpatch that last for over two years? you gotta be kidding me. at least 15 player can rightly ask the question, if kopali can get so many chances even after consistant failures, what is wrong with us? kopali played good innings twice. but many more such as opee, bidyut, rokon, akram, bulbul, hannan, mushfiq babu and many many more did play good innings more often than kopali. why are not been tried out again and again?

mahrookh
February 20, 2006, 10:41 AM
If you wanna make someone guilty then go for ;

1) Ashraful
2) Aftaab
3) Rajin
4) Shahriar Nafees

What they did today ? Just went to the field to show thier cute faces to the girls or what ? Just went and gone :)

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 3:42 PM GMT, by mahrookh.

Tehsin
February 20, 2006, 10:49 AM
Sham - Welcome back. :)

Forget Kapali, by the time we got to him, the whole match was pointless.

A better question may be, why are they so reluctant to bring back Rokon ? Given his history in Int'l cricket, it makes sense. However, the guy is in great form and he wil be playing in home turf and his fellow countrymen just managed to get bundled out for 118.

BagherBacha
February 20, 2006, 10:52 AM
bashar,rajin,masud needs to go, especially bashar. until these players are gone we can't expect any good result from bd. These players must go before world cup. Rafiq needs to go too in 1 yr time. Bd will be a well balanced team after these players are replaced.

BagherBacha
February 20, 2006, 10:53 AM
rajin didn't do anything to come back in national team

BagherBacha
February 20, 2006, 10:54 AM
bashar doesn't deserve to be in bd team

LateCut
February 20, 2006, 11:02 AM
One explanation could be that Kapali was chosen as a bowler. My recollection is that it is in this capacity he was chosen the very first time. Since then he has shown glimpse of his batting potentials and was included in the team as a batting specialists. I do not know what changed recently (including the NCL performance) that has prompted the selector to categorize as a bowling specialists.

But this does not make sense. I think when the batting collapsed, the captain (and perhaps the coach) made a decision to change the batting order. I absolutely don't believe that selectors value Kapali's bowling prowess more than that of his batting. It must have been an on the spot decision. Whether the decision was a good one should be debated. This may shed a light on Basher's ability to lead.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 4:03 PM GMT, by LateCut.

Darwin
February 20, 2006, 11:04 AM
Edited on, February 20, 2006, 4:57 PM GMT, by Tehsin.
Reason: Pointless

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 11:17 AM
LateCut, it was announced by coach and cap a day before that Kopali will come at #9.

Ahmed_B
February 20, 2006, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by lance_klusner
I am thinking if BDu19 played SL national team..it would be a interesting match than BD national cricket team playing SL...

Yah sure.. that would have been interesting!
I think we need a match like that to stop the on-board fan's imagination about U-19 being better than National squad! ;)


About sending Kapali at #9:
I would say that it was a wrong desicion only when I would have expectations that his performance with the bat is something valuable to the team... which i surely don't feel at all. Many times in the past we have seen players like Tapash or Rafiq run out of partners like this... they even scored higher than Kap's today's score. Kapali incident today was just another one like that.. nothing more. I don't really expect him to score a 50 if he comes at #5,6 or 7.


BTW... welcome back Sham... where have you been so long? :)

Sham
February 20, 2006, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Ahmed_B


BTW... welcome back Sham... where have you been so long? :)

Hiding from Banglacricket members who cant see the difference in batting ability between Rana and Kapali!!

Flipper
February 20, 2006, 11:32 AM
If we want a batsman at number 9, why don't we put Ash at 9 till he gets to his form. Ash hasn't really done anyting since the NatWest series. What do you say Sham?

Yeah Kapali should have played at least before Mahmood, and Rafique!

Shakalaka
February 20, 2006, 11:35 AM
rajin atleast did some excellent fielding. S.Nafees out was horrible. No footwork at all. So was Ash's. No need to hit that ball.

i think a person with medium range IQ can bowl Ash out. cos he aint got any.

cracky
February 20, 2006, 11:37 AM
Kapali was sent lower down the order because, he is somewhat uncomfortable with the new balls, so he gets out most of the time. It was decided by the team management to send him after 25 overs when the ball will be rather old. But its unfortunate that by that time most of our top order batsman got out. Kapali proved that this decission of the management was right. I also support to send him after 25 overs.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 4:38 PM GMT, by cracky.

Shakalaka
February 20, 2006, 11:38 AM
kapali should be at 4 or 5. i say..

S.Nafees
Ashraful
Bashar
Kapali
Rajin
Aftab
Pilot
Rafiq
(who ever relacing chacha)
Mortaza
Russell

letting ashraful open would atleast give us some chance to see if he atleast can swing his arm to reach the circle for first few over. may be that way, he will be lucky to get few runs before getting out by showing his NO iq.

Ahmed_B
February 20, 2006, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Sham
Originally posted by Ahmed_B


BTW... welcome back Sham... where have you been so long? :)

Hiding from Banglacricket members who cant see the difference in batting ability between Rana and Kapali!!
By any chance... are you part of the BD selection Pannel? ;)

Jokes aside... Kapali is clearly ahead of Rana in terms of batting ability.. but he (KAP) probably is suffering from some sort of mindset disorder for which he still fails to produce effects for the team. That surely doesn't help us on the way. If Kapali can come back to form... that will surely be good for the squad.

Shakalaka
February 20, 2006, 11:40 AM
My bad. Never send a stupid to follow another. change of line up..

S.Nafees
Ashraful
Rajin
Bashar
Kapali
Aftab
Pilot
Rafiq
(who ever replacing chacha)
Mortaza
Russell

BangladeshFan
February 20, 2006, 11:53 AM
cant agree to that lineup. after seeing the bd batting, one thing is clear to me, all of them are rusty but they have sky high confidence..... wayyyyy overconfident. shahriar nafis,aftab, ashraful all of them were overconfident. only rajin was truly beaten. kapali and sujon played with cool head and showd it is possible to score runs. i will put kapali at no.3 with rajin and nafis opening. someone with kapalis ability needs to play the anchor role.

sl is coming from playing lots of ODIs against good opposition whereas Bd was laid off for a long time. playing in local league is not good enough as batsmen struggled against sl bowling. bd need to engage in more tours , send A teams in india or pakistan. also they need a batting coach i think who will build up these young guys temperment. whatmore is clueless.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 5:00 PM GMT, by BangladeshFan.

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 12:34 PM
Rana V Kapali. Have not said it straight like this in this thread before that Kopali should have been replaced by Rana. But I have to now:

I really do feel for Rana. He is like the girl who did not get a job even after being qualified for it becuase she does not have a nice 'back side', and someone else who is much less qualified then her gets the job because she swings it nice.

esteban_loaiza
February 20, 2006, 01:05 PM
I think Kapali should not be in the team at all. But who cares? If you first five batsman cant bat on a regular basis then it does not matter who are coming afterwards. Bashar was blaming on not playing international cricket for a while....... for that you might think that they will be a little stiff or feet will not move that well. The way Aftab got out it seems like his feet were moving too well, better than required. Shot selection does not depend on playing a lot of cricket but it depends on how they use their heads (hopefully they have one!). At the end of the series, if we still play like this what will Bashar blame at that time?

BanCricFan
February 20, 2006, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
5. I just don't get it. what is in kopali? ......? kopali played good innings twice. but many more such as opee, bidyut, rokon, akram, bulbul, hannan, mushfiq babu and many many more did play good innings more often than kopali. why are not been tried out again and again?

Rokon has had many chances too! Yes, he is in a good nick but he has been like that before only to... If Rokon shows same kind of form for one more season then I'm all for bringing him back to the fold even though he isnt a spring chicken anymore! Alok is still very young and Mushfiq Babu, Akram are simply not in his calss!!... Yes, a player can be out of form for two years on the trot! Someone famous said, "form is temporary but class is permanent". Having said that, we might not ever see a great innings from Kapali but it doesn't change a thing for me about his class and talent( in BD context)!

People who mock Kapali either they havn't seen him play or have very limited knowledge of the game! I can understand one can be frustrated but c'mon... doesn't Ashraful frustrate us more often than not but on his day he can win a rare game for us!

reyme
February 20, 2006, 01:30 PM
[/quote]

Hiding from Banglacricket members who cant see the difference in batting ability between Rana and Kapali!! [/quote]

Batting ability?? Please open up the batting performance in the recently concluded league or any recent performance for that regard.

Please do not embarrass yourself. Once in a bluemoon Kapali did soemthing to you to fascinate you, just the way he has been doing it to the selectors.

If you someone wants to be in love with Kapali, thats their choice, but honestly, please do not compare batting ability between Rana and Kapali. The end result is Rana is superior, and thats a fact. Its not how good one looks while batting, its how he performs.

BanCricFan
February 20, 2006, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by esteban_loaiza
Bashar was blaming on not playing international cricket for a while....... for that you might think that they will be a little stiff or feet will not move that well. The way Aftab got out it seems like his feet were moving too well, better than required. Shot selection does not depend on playing a lot of cricket but it depends on how they use their heads (hopefully they have one!). At the end of the series, if we still play like this what will Bashar blame at that time?



:lol:

Hey, they now even have a fulltime shrink!

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 01:53 PM
reyme, be ready for some bomberdament :up:

Flipper
February 20, 2006, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
Rana V Kapali. Have not said it straight like this in this thread before that Kopali should have been replaced by Rana. But I have to now:

I really do feel for Rana. He is like the girl who did not get a job even after being qualified for it becuase she does not have a nice 'back side', and someone else who is much less qualified then her gets the job because she swings it nice.


:lol: appearently that's the case with Rana!

I think Kapali is really a good classy batsman although I don't have the stat to back up my statement. Rana, on the other hand is a good spinner, pretty decent with the bat as well.

LateCut
February 20, 2006, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
LateCut, it was announced by coach and cap a day before that Kopali will come at #9.


In that case, I do not know what to think. All I can say is that this a good example of stupidity.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 02:59 PM
Originally posted by reyme


Hiding from Banglacricket members who cant see the difference in batting ability between Rana and Kapali!! [/quote]

Batting ability?? Please open up the batting performance in the recently concluded league or any recent performance for that regard.

Please do not embarrass yourself. Once in a bluemoon Kapali did soemthing to you to fascinate you, just the way he has been doing it to the selectors.

If you someone wants to be in love with Kapali, thats their choice, but honestly, please do not compare batting ability between Rana and Kapali. The end result is Rana is superior, and thats a fact. Its not how good one looks while batting, its how he performs. [/quote]

This is why I've been hiding from you guys! Haha!

The Rs (Reyme and Rubu) are back to tell me what an idiot I am for seeing anything in Kapali! Oh well, all the BD selectors, Dav Whatmore, Habibul Bashar, Wasim Akram and the rest of the international commentary team, Spitfire and I will just sit in one corner and cheer Kapali on.

In the meantime, you guys can carry on ruling this message board. I dont have the patience or the stamina to carry on this fight anymore.

AsifTheManRahman
February 20, 2006, 03:13 PM
Ability and talentwise, Kapali is waayyy waaaaayyyyy ahead of Rana. It's a pity that we have lost someone who could have turned out to be the best that we've ever had, and will have had for a long period of time. Denying this is short-sightedness.

However, Rana has been ahead in terms of producing results, which is why he is the better choice when it comes down to picking one from the two, imo.

Beamer
February 20, 2006, 03:19 PM
he he..good ole guys are back..I won't get into it any more. We just lost badly. Whats the point?

Kaps should have batted at no.6. I think that will happen in the next game. For Rana fans, I am afraid, his window has closed. Selectors clearly don't value him as much ( batting and bowling ). Razzak was the supersub instead of him. Kapali vs Rana is not even an issue. It is always and should always be a three horse race between Rana, razzak and Chacha.

Worried about Pilot these days. He had a very indifferent domestic season and on top of that he has been pretty inconsistent with his keeping as well. Rahim may force himself into that spot before than many people think.

AsifTheManRahman
February 20, 2006, 03:23 PM
i knew about how the think-tank was planning on making the lower order stronger, but kapali at 9?? whaaattt!!!

even 7 would have been better...come on - he's a lot better than chacha if not anything else.

besides, what's the point of picking someone as mostly a batter when you're gonna play him at 9?

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 8:23 PM GMT, by AsifTheManRahman.

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 04:29 PM
I think I finally found out the reason why Kopali was sent at number 9. That is whatmore does not have the final say about which 12 plays the game. But he does have the final say about who bats when. Given this speculation true, it makes perfect sense who Kopali had to bat at 9. It was a silent protest from whatmore against Faruk and Co. for keeping Kopali in the squad. Of course, whatmore did not wanted a consistant player like Kopali (consistant failure) in the team. But Faruk and co. is blindly in love with Kopali for some unknown reason. So, Faruk and Co. forced whatmore to have him in the playing team. To protest this decision whatmore thought: you can only force me to do this much. You want to make sure he plays, and I'll make sure even if he plays he will have the least chance to prove his worth. here comes Kopali: at #9.

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 04:53 PM
Rubu, I don't want to think that Dav can sink THAT low. It's very hard to believe that a coach would sabotage his team's batting lineup for personal grudge against selectors. I can obviously understand if he didn't want Kapali in the team or playing XI. (Even as a Kapali fan, I don't think he had earned a comeback with performance). But when he played Kapali anyway, it made NO SENSE AT ALL to send him at lower than #7.

It's true that Kapali didn't earn a recall by proving himself with performance. But when he was first selected for the national team, it wasn't based on performance either. It was a decision based mostly on instinct. It paid off, and Kapali was one of the best batsman in our team (especially in ODI) for quite a long time. (I'm not denying that he's been out of touch for even longer period of time). Kiwis also have reputation of picking players based on instinct. They picked Marshall brothers, although their FC records were not great at all. One of the gamble paid off, one didn't. When a country is limited in talents, giving talented underperformers more chnaces is not a great sin.

Moreover, since Chacha is gone Rana will probably be lot more regular in the ODI side. Be cheerful :)

shovon13
February 20, 2006, 04:55 PM
rubu....kapali hasn't even been in the squad for over an year. what are you complaining about? this is just pure hatred. i dont hate rana. you hate kapali. jeez. grow up.

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 04:56 PM
hey spit, com'on. It was a joke.

shovon13
February 20, 2006, 05:03 PM
i hate elitism.

an example of a form of elitism: when you ignore someone's existence because you think you're better than that person.

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 05:09 PM
Shavon, do I hate Kapali? I had to think for a second to find the answer. The answer is: NO. I will be more than happy if all the Kapali lovers can tell me one day, see what we said is true, and you have no idea about cricket. Yes, I will be happy to hear that. Because, that would mean, kapali has done something good for the team. To me, that is the most important thing.

Hate is a very strong word. So, I guess I have to explain the things I write. I'd say I do not like Kapali. Not hate. Here is the story: After leaving bangladesh, I was away from cricket for a while for several reasons. That time happen to be the 'prime time' of kapali's career. The first time I came to learn about kapali was from a prothom-alo report where a guy asked kapali for autograph saying that he is the tendulkar of bangladesh. I was like, wow! We have a player like that! this is great. I must start following him. Guess what I started with a sky high hope about him. This guy in return turned me down as harshly as possible. Every single time I wanted a 'tendulkar like' innings from him, he gave me a batsman danny morison. Of course that was frustrating. but that was not the beginning of 'not liking him'. it all started when I saw that the more he fails the more fans and selectors wants him in the team. eveyone knew he will fail, but they still made him play blocking space for someone else who would serve the team better than him. yes, the team. when I see that him playing is harming the team, I can't help disliking him. it goes up even more when I see fans wanting him more and more in the team when he fails to perform year after year. that is what absolutely drives me nuts.

Question to those who want him in the team: we all know if he plays 100 matches there will a 1 or 2 good innings after his first 80 innings. Question is, how come you are willing to accept that damage to the team for an indivisual's advantage?

DJ Sahastra
February 20, 2006, 05:13 PM
What a revealing thread!

Guys,

I would like to know what was Kapali's performance like in the premier league in terms of batting, bowling and fielding. It seems he was picked up on reasons other than merit ;).

He is an underachiever but Bangladesh is not the only team to have backed underachiever based on talent and instinct alone.

On a side note, I firmly believe that one of the reasons for his failure was the Coach/captain's inability to use him the right way. Instead of trying to "build" the inning, he must have been sent either as pinch-hitter or as a lower-middle batsman and asked to play his natural game.


Now, If he bribed/jacked his way in, that is a sad day for BD cricket.

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 05:25 PM
Kapali's FC and OD stats:

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/7382/kapalifcstats8qz.png

I don't think he has bribed his way in, and he isn't reported to have political connections which can work as a factor for selecting him.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 10:25 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

DJ Sahastra
February 20, 2006, 05:39 PM
Those stats do confirm my belief that Kapali is primarily a bowler, more like a bowling all-rounder who has the ability to hit big at times.

Spitfire, what was his performance in your recent national league or premier league (The league in which the Kenyan player was playing)?

sadi
February 20, 2006, 05:53 PM
Should rana play? Yes he should and he will in place of chacha. Do I also want Kapali in my team? Yes I do. Look guys, most of our players are underachievers anyways. I rather go with players who can win a game for us in his day. Thats why you guys love ash and Kapali can be the same thing. One or two people can be wrong but when a bunch of people want Kapali in the team, that means there must be something there.

Spitfire_x86
February 20, 2006, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Those stats do confirm my belief that Kapali is primarily a bowler, more like a bowling all-rounder who has the ability to hit big at times.

Spitfire, what was his performance in your recent national league or premier league (The league in which the Kenyan player was playing)?
It's his whole career record as listed in Cricinfo, not recent record.

FC matches (barring Test and tour matches) are national league match. I'm not sure about which matches are List A. If premier league matches are not counted as List A, then these matches are only national league match. IIRC, Tikolo played in both Premier and National league in past.

Alok started his cricket career as a bowler who can bat. He never was a totally destructive hitter like Jayasuria. His role was more like the role Irfan Pathan currently plays in the India team. After his success in the international level with bat, he also played in the domestic cricket as top order batsman.

Edited on, February 20, 2006, 11:37 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

DJ Sahastra
February 20, 2006, 06:34 PM
Just to clear the confusion, i just wanted to know the perfiormance in whatever games he played in last few months in the domestic league. Cricinfo gives the overall stats but that doesn't indicate the recent form/score.

Just wanted to know if he was picked up despite a dismal performance. Cos that can help understand a whole lot of criticism aimed at his inclusion.

I also want to know why he is not being tried as what he started with - a bowler who can bat. More like use him as a fifth bowler and let him bat at #6 or #7. Given the way BD top order folds up most of the time, i am sure he'll have lot of overs to showcase his talents. If he clicks, it might be reassuring to the top order that they do have some depth in batting and may actually help them play better.

I feel that if he was played primarily as a bowler, it will take off a lot of pressure that he must surely be feeling everytime he is proclaimed as a genuine batsman, which he is not. While trying him occassionaly at the top-order, if only to surprise the opposition, may not be a bad idea, it would be good to tell him that he was being played primarily as a bowler.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 07:23 PM
Originally posted by sadi
Should rana play? Yes he should and he will in place of chacha. Do I also want Kapali in my team? Yes I do. Look guys, most of our players are underachievers anyways. I rather go with players who can win a game for us in his day. Thats why you guys love ash and Kapali can be the same thing. One or two people can be wrong but when a bunch of people want Kapali in the team, that means there must be something there.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

I'd rather pick players who may win us a game or two, instead of players who on their best day could possibly delay the inevitable defeat, but couldnt win us matches.

Since the name Rana conjures up so much passion (love and hate) let me use Golla as an example instead. A lot of people want him in the team but it makes no sense to me. What can he do? On his best day, he is going to score a 60 from 150 balls and our team will end up scoring 180 and lose the game. On his worst day, he will score 10 from 50 balls and our team will score 160 and lose the game! Big friggin difference!

Our team is made up of a bunch of chumps anyway! They all fail 8 times out of 10! I dont know why Kapali is any worse than anyone else. I'd much rather have players like Kapali and Ashraful, who have the talent and can on their day win matches, like Ash did at Cardiff, than take players who are 'consistent' and 'reliable' but on their best day couldnt dream of actually being a matchwinner!

truetruetiger
February 20, 2006, 07:49 PM
wot i dont understand is why didnt javed play. i think we need to consider the option of opening the battin with him and ash.
javed
ash
aftab
habibul
shariar
pilot
rajin
rana
rafique
mortaza
russel

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 08:31 PM
On his best day kapali will make 19*, and on his worst day he will make 0. But that is still fine. Just don't label him as talented as ash. ash does not have a 2 years long bad patch. a player who can't get out of a so called bad patch in 2 years is a disgrace to cricket. he should play golla chhut instead. and by law of average he will at some point make a fifty. that, however, does not make any difference. if you give him 100 chance he will make 2 fifties. give solimuddi's brother komimuddi 50 chance, he will make at least 4. that is the difference between him and anyone else. and talking about winning match, when did he do that for the FIRST time? even in a domestic match? so stop talking about staff like talent that is not to be seen. I gave you two years to prove his worth. I'll give one more year. prove his worth in them or stop advocating for something you can't prove. its like you keep saying that your possess the kohinur, but fail to show even the ricipt for it.

Edited on, February 21, 2006, 1:33 AM GMT, by Rubu.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
On his best day kapali will make 19*, and on his worst day he will make 0. But that is still fine. Just don't label him as talented as ash. ash does not have a 2 years long bad patch. a player who can't get out of a so called bad patch in 2 years is a disgrace to cricket. he should play golla chhut instead. and by law of average he will at some point make a fifty. that, however, does not make any difference. if you give him 100 chance he will make 2 fifties. give solimuddi's brother komimuddi 50 chance, he will make at least 4. that is the difference between him and anyone else. and talking about winning match, when did he do that for the FIRST time? even in a domestic match? so stop talking about staff like talent that is not to be seen. I gave you two years to prove his worth. I'll give one more year. prove his worth in them or stop advocating for something you can't prove. its like you keep saying that your possess the kohinur, but fail to show even the ricipt for it.

Edited on, February 21, 2006, 1:33 AM GMT, by Rubu.

Rubu, get off your high horse will you?

Who are you to give me one year or two years? If Kapali does well then Bangladesh will do well. If he doesnt, he will let himself and his country down and no one wants that. You need to stop personalizing the Kapali issue so much. And please dont tell me what I can or cannot advocate. I don't tell you what you should or shouldnt feel or say. No one is asking you to agree, but atleast respect someone else's right to an opinion.

You are a member of BC staff, you should know better than to post something like this!

Orpheus
February 20, 2006, 08:43 PM
arrey bhaieyera... amader Sham bhai onek din por Banglacricket e ashlo aar apnara taake welcome na janai jhogra shuru korchen... Eirokom borishailla shobabh shobai charen please....

Sham is a sylheti that's why he likes kapali...

Hey I think Kapali is a good player, I saw him against the WI. He also gets a lot of wrong calls with LBWs though... I wonder why?

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 08:45 PM
Sham, where on my post did you get your name? 'You' refers to anyone in this board advocating for kapali. And is an open challenge. If you dare taking it, you are welcome to do that.

If he doesnt, he will let himself and his country down and no one wants that.

at least you got some portion of what I've been trying to say for soooooo long. The only problem is, the "if" is not there anymore for a long time. the sentense now should read: he does not do well, he lets himself and the country down. unfortunately, as it seems, many people wants that. that is what drives me absolutely nuts.

if you talk about what to post and what to not post, I might wanna point out that, the sig you have been carrying for so long is, in a place where people come to talk and argue, elitism. and i'd like to refer you to shavon13's post about it.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Orpheus

Sham is a sylheti that's why he likes kapali...



HAHAHAHAHA!!! Does that mean that I also have to like Shanto?

Orpheus
February 20, 2006, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Sham

Does that mean that I also have to like Shanto?

heh! If Rubu hates him then YES.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by Rubu


if you talk about what to post and what to not post, I might wanna point out that, the sig you have been carrying for so long is, in a place where people come to talk and argue, elitism. and i'd like to refer you to shavon13's post about it.

Yeah, read my signature carefully and then think about the fact that I spend 80% of my time arguing with you and your likes so where does that leave you?

A signature is a signature. I'm always willing to argue and I'll defend my position till the end of time or my sad death, whichever comes first. As I'm sure you will do yours. Its very annoying when someone gives you stupid ultimatums like you have one more year and then you must agree with me! When I or any other Kapali fan finally sees the light and joins the anti-Kapali camp is entirely up to us. You really shouldnt be putting time-limits on us!

Rubu
February 20, 2006, 09:00 PM
Reading your sign carefully: Never argue......., as long as I can see, you argue with me most. so, I'm already excluded from the rest as the very first part of the statement does not apply to me :)

Talking about time limit, how much time are you willing to spend for him to come to so called form? National team is the place for output, and where is that? The part of my post you completely ignored: kapali is harming the national team. now, if a person is bigger to you than the team, I've nothing to say. otherwise, how could someone back for a person who is harming a team is beyond my imagination.

now, you might say, he will serve the team in the future. my question is, when? since this part of the logic is pretty clear, I put a time limit of total 3 years we might spend for a playing even when he is harming the team to serve in the future. that is already way too much. and I'll scream for the team I love for what is best for it. if some indivisual is effected by that (namely kapali) I can't care less about that.

Edited on, February 21, 2006, 2:04 AM GMT, by Rubu.

Sham
February 20, 2006, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
Reading your sign carefully: Never argue......., as long as I can see, you argue with me most. so, I'm already excluded from the rest as the very first part of the statement does not apply to me :)


Edited on, February 21, 2006, 2:04 AM GMT, by Rubu.

Thats exactly what I was getting at! :)

Fazal
February 20, 2006, 09:27 PM
Here is my two cents from anti Kapali camp:

I agree, as he is already selected in the team, asking him to bat at #9 behind of Rafiq, Pilot and ChaCha really puzzled me a little bit.

Whether we like him or not, looks like we have to accept the reality that Alok will be a regular in the ODI team for a while. Now we can only hope can can continue to score some runs constantly for the team. That’s the best case scenario for both parties.

The worst case is, if follows the previous trend by scoring one good innings and 9 bad innings, and still continue to be selected in the team.

Let’s hope for the best for the sake of the team.

AsifTheManRahman
February 20, 2006, 09:58 PM
hehe...rubu and sham are at it again...lol

much as i would like to participate in some sham-bashing ;), like the old days, i have come to realize that talking about who should play and who should not is meaningless. a rana or a kapali will never be able to change the fate of a game; it will probably take an ashraful 30 matches to do so. so overall, if our batters do not get some grey matter installed (note how i don't say "use their grey matter:P), there is no point in arguing over the inclusion of a certain X or a Y: we will continue to play like dung no matter what combination we field.

FagunerAgun
February 20, 2006, 10:15 PM
Guys..what's the differnce between the inclusion of Kapali or not...this is a game of 11 players...when 10 players are shoshur barir jamai, then what a differnce one individual player can bring to his team..

RBTiger
February 20, 2006, 10:54 PM
Here we are, talking about my 'favorite' player/topic, Kapali again. I agree 100% with the people who think it was a terrible waste to have him bat at no. 9. I don't know what the team management was thinking (smoking?). It almost seemed that people were so afraid of his failure that they were trying to delay it as much as possible. Then why include him in the team in the first place?

I personally think he is overrated and given way more shots than he actually deserved, but I have to admit that people who saw (I am not one of them) his better innings think that he has "it". Since he performed well and made his way to the national team again, why not have the guts to give him a shot at no. 5 or 6 if not higher.

One last thing, I think he should seriously work on his bowling, so that when he fails with the bat (which he does more often than not), it doesn't feel like a waste and we still have a leg-spinner on the team who gets wickets.

Dhakablues
February 20, 2006, 11:10 PM
Bottomline: Alok will be playing next ODI. If he scores 20 plus runs ( as that seems to be the passing score these days), he will be a regular member again. He will be playing at #6,7 next time as it seems like. Alok is not a problem for Bangladeshi team,, rather the problem is with Ash, Bash, Aftab. If they cannot hold the fort,, the rest are just there to get us a respectable score. Need to get to the bottom of the issue... its the top 5 batsman, not your lower order allrounder/bowler batsman.

rafiq
February 20, 2006, 11:27 PM
Don't know if this was discussed in another thread, but I'd like to know why Javed Omar was dropped. Rajin Saleh's only role is to imitate Javed Omar and hold up one end when a couple of wickets fall. If that is what Rajin does best, why not get the real thing and open with Javed?

Dhakablues is spot on. We are wasting time debating about Alok Kapali being on the team. He is on it for this series, so get over it. He is on the team as a batsman and allrounder and hopefully can come in earler in the second ODI. But what hurts the team is the inconsistent play of all the other batsmen and what appears to be some very poor, uninspiring coaching from Dav Whatmore.

If patience with Whatmore is running thin, it ought to.

Beamer
February 20, 2006, 11:31 PM
Lost on all these discussions about Kapali batting at no.9, which has genuine merits, I am also equally perplexed with the think tanks decison to play pilot at no.6! That means we really have played with one less batsman, considering Kapali played as a pure bowler and his order in batting testifies that ( no. 9 ). To begin with, it is a recipe for disaster, specially for a team like us with such a brittle top order. We have put Aftab back at no.3, which I like at home ( if you remember Tushar played at that spot overseas last year ) as opposed to him playing at no.6 last year in overseas tours. So, we promoted Pilot a spot up to no.6, which is a big NO NO for me. I do applaud them for having the courage and foresight to do away with Golla in ODI's. It must remain a permanent solution. S.Nafees and Rajin must continue to open. Kapali must not come lower than at no.6. I like Aftab at no.3. He should have the freedom to go at it with primarily pacers operating at the top of the innings. He has ways to go with playing against spinners and slow bowlers. Ash at 4, Bashar at 5, kapali at 6 then Pilot and the rest..( Rafiq, Mashrafee, Rasel, Nazmul )

How long will you think before Rahim takes over from pilot? he can bat with ease at no.5 or no.6. He has the stuff to be a success in future in lower middle order. I appreciate the way the young guy anchors the later order while scoring runs without taking much risks. These are the things that you can't teach. He has it already better than his many senior players.

This team is already 50% better in fielding with the inclusion of Rajin and Alok alone. And don't forget both can give you valuable overs. Sorry, Rana doesn't cut it. Raj is a better bowler than him and hence the supersub.

shovon13
February 20, 2006, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
Shavon, do I hate Kapali? I had to think for a second to find the answer. The answer is: NO. I will be more than happy if all the Kapali lovers can tell me one day, see what we said is true, and you have no idea about cricket. Yes, I will be happy to hear that. Because, that would mean, kapali has done something good for the team. To me, that is the most important thing.

Hate is a very strong word. So, I guess I have to explain the things I write. I'd say I do not like Kapali. Not hate. Here is the story: After leaving bangladesh, I was away from cricket for a while for several reasons. That time happen to be the 'prime time' of kapali's career. The first time I came to learn about kapali was from a prothom-alo report where a guy asked kapali for autograph saying that he is the tendulkar of bangladesh. I was like, wow! We have a player like that! this is great. I must start following him. Guess what I started with a sky high hope about him. This guy in return turned me down as harshly as possible. Every single time I wanted a 'tendulkar like' innings from him, he gave me a batsman danny morison. Of course that was frustrating. but that was not the beginning of 'not liking him'. it all started when I saw that the more he fails the more fans and selectors wants him in the team. eveyone knew he will fail, but they still made him play blocking space for someone else who would serve the team better than him. yes, the team. when I see that him playing is harming the team, I can't help disliking him. it goes up even more when I see fans wanting him more and more in the team when he fails to perform year after year. that is what absolutely drives me nuts.

Question to those who want him in the team: we all know if he plays 100 matches there will a 1 or 2 good innings after his first 80 innings. Question is, how come you are willing to accept that damage to the team for an indivisual's advantage?

understood. kapali has indeed been given the most chances out of all the players, and perhaps thats largely due to the belief about his enormous talent. if it does pay off someday (the day from which kapali starts producing consistently), bd team will greatly benefit from this risk. if it doesn't, then some deserving players had been kept out of the national team for some time. its a gamble.

Beamer
February 20, 2006, 11:43 PM
Rana is no better than other servicable players like Mushfiq babu. They will come and go just like Rana appears to be on his way out. His window has shut closed though there happens to be a little opening with Chacha's retirement. Razzak, however, is ahead on the depth chart ( supersub last match ) and will replace chacha in the regular line up. They shouldn't make Rana the supersub as Razzak is already there with his superior bowling. If we have to rely on Rana's 10-15 runs, then we are doomed anyway. Supersub should be an extra batsman. Simple.

rafiq
February 20, 2006, 11:48 PM
On this team that is chockful of bowlers, supersub could be an extra batsman. But we don't seem to have any other than Golla, he would have been perfect as a supersub. Did we need another spinner after rafique, kapali, rajin and ashraful?

So if it has to be a bowler, I would have Rana as the supersub, to be inserted in the middle of a collapse to throw off the opposition bowlers with his grinding, painful-to-watch batting. In the process he may get 20-30 not just 10-15.

Edited on, February 21, 2006, 4:48 AM GMT, by rafiq.

fwullah
February 20, 2006, 11:49 PM
" agree, as he is already selected in the team, asking him to bat at #9 behind of Rafiq, Pilot and ChaCha really puzzled me a little bit. "

- Why should Alok Kapali come later than Pilot? Pilot is a far better reliable batsman than Alok Kapali has shown to be.

ChaCha came before Alok because it was his last International match, and that's it.

So, the only puzzling thing that is left is why Rafique came before Alok.

gravitY
February 20, 2006, 11:50 PM
Originally posted by Dhakablues
Bottomline: Alok will be playing next ODI. If he scores 20 plus runs ( as that seems to be the passing score these days), he will be a regular member again. He will be playing at #6,7 next time as it seems like. Alok is not a problem for Bangladeshi team,, rather the problem is with Ash, Bash, Aftab. If they cannot hold the fort,, the rest are just there to get us a respectable score. Need to get to the bottom of the issue... its the top 5 batsman, not your lower order allrounder/bowler batsman.

it's pathetic that four of our top order superstars (?) got out in 2 overs ...:duh::mad: i wonder what goes in Ash's mind as he goes down in the middle!! hit 4/6 six in every other ball. this is really ridiculuous, given he's played hundreds matches already. BCB should take money out of their match fee. remember how it worked out when they were playing for Sonargaon!!

Beamer
February 20, 2006, 11:57 PM
Agree with Rafiq. This team has a lot of bowling options who can pick up fifteen- twenty overs ( aftab, ash, rajin, kapali ) . Rafiq, Mashrafee, Rasel and Raj gets their allocated 35-40 overs. No need for Rana. Disagree with rafiq there. Need a pure batsman as the supersub. Is this squad final for the series? if it is , then it is another boneheaded move by keeping Rana in the squad ( another servicable spinner ) and knowing that Chacha is retiring after one game. They should have kept another batsman who could be used as a supersub.

rafiq
February 20, 2006, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by shovon13
understood. kapali has indeed been given the most chances out of all the players, and perhaps thats largely due to the belief about his enormous talent. if it does pay off someday (the day from which kapali starts producing consistently), bd team will greatly benefit from this risk. if it doesn't, then some deserving players had been kept out of the national team for some time. its a gamble.

This is not true. The player who has been given the most chances is Khaled Mahmud Sujon. He has rarely justified his place on the team, the last ODI notwithstanding.

About Rubu's disspointment with Kapali not living up to the Tendulkar billiing (whoever came up with that one, anyway?) - it sounds like your dislike for Kapali is disproportionate to your reasoning. Every Bangaldeshi batsman is a so-called superstar with all kinds of talent oozing out of their pores. Yet they all are far from flawless, so shining the light only on Kapali's failures is a little bit overdone.

Beamer, I agree having Rajin and Kapali back in tandem for their fielding alone is exciting, but still question why rajin and Javed can't both be on the team. Especially now that Chacha frees up space. And how wierd is that, not having your highest scorer available for the next match?

rafiq
February 21, 2006, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Beamer
Agree with Rafiq. This team has a lot of bowling options who can pick up fifteen- twenty overs ( aftab, ash, rajin, kapali ) . Rafiq, Mashrafee, Rasel and Raj gets their allocated 35-40 overs. No need for Rana. Disagree with rafiq there. Need a pure batsman as the supersub. Is this squad final for the series? if it is , then it is another boneheaded move by keeping Rana in the squad ( another servicable spinner ) and knowing that Chacha is retiring after one game. They should have kept another batsman who could be used as a supersub.

Well, if Chacha is truly retiring (I'll believe it when I see it, and besides the guy just played an awesome inning, how can he retire now?) - then won't they add another batsman to the squad? Did someone say M. Rahim?

Edited on, February 21, 2006, 5:04 AM GMT, by rafiq.
Reason: typos

fwullah
February 21, 2006, 12:08 AM
"So, we promoted Pilot a spot up to no.6, which is a big NO NO for me."

- Each time we see Pilot batting at number seven or eight and scoring while others are not, we hear everyone saying that Pilot should be promoted to number five or six. And when he is batting at number six, we hear that he should be batting at seven / eight - his usual position.

It is my opinion that when a player plays over a hundred International match - playing for a team that has only a very few players with 70 or 80 ODIs under their belt - then the responsbility should go to that batsman, doesn't matter if he is a specialist batsman or not.

More than that, how many times did we see Pilot scoring especially against Sri Lanka when others fail consistently? He was Man of the series in our first tour to Sri Lanka, he was also scoring and in-form in our last tour to Sri Lanka. So it is only fitting that Pilot should be playing higher up the order - especially against Sri Lanka, and especially in ODIs.

"Raj is a better bowler than him and hence the supersub."

Abdur Razzak Raj is not a better bowler than Monjurul Islam Rana. I don't see what the selectors and everybody else sees in Raj. Being able to turn the ball is not a big deal if a specialist spin bowler can't bowl proper line and length. Even Enamul Junior is a way better bowler than Abdur Razzak Raj. If you refer to his first class and/or limited one day match's performance in the domestic cricket - then let me tell you - Raj gets more wickets in domestic cricket because he is a chucker, while Rana and Enamul Junior are not chuckers.

sadi
February 21, 2006, 12:12 AM
khaled mahmud is going back to dhaka...so we are definately a player short... maybe its time we call up someone... who will it be... rahim, rokon or tushar??

sadi
February 21, 2006, 12:14 AM
if Raj is chucker, then we should have heard something about it after the first odi... I think he is a better bowler than rana and thats not because he is chucking

BangladeshFan
February 21, 2006, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by sadi
khaled mahmud is going back to dhaka...so we are definately a player short... maybe its time we call up someone... who will it be... rahim, rokon or tushar??

i think they should select rahim after his recent performances and play him in place of pilot in the next match. bd batting is so brittle they need every kind of batting help as they can get and rahim has potential in batting. For the same reason, rana should be chosen ahead of raj.

reyme
February 21, 2006, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Just to clear the confusion, i just wanted to know the perfiormance in whatever games he played in last few months in the domestic league.

Failure, Failure, Failure!!!! Kopali is not even in the top 20 batsman or bowler in the league. Kopali is like a Name brand item like BMW X5 (good name, junk performance). No matter how much he fails, some people just cant get enough of him.

Nazim Shirazi was one of the most talented batsman of all times, but does it mean that he has to play in the current team? If Kopali has any SHAME left in him, he should quit already for the sake of his team. And we cry why Chacha is in the team.

fab
February 21, 2006, 01:24 AM
The people who are Kapali fans are ones who have actually SEEN him play when he was in (better) form. Some have mentioned this before but the 2003 Australia tour really showed us what Kaps and Hannan could have been capable of achieving.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone could hate the first Bangladeshi to get a hattrick..

BangladeshFan
February 21, 2006, 01:29 AM
after seeing his last match performance, if they drop kapali......... what can i say? atleast he played with a cool head unlike aftab who wants to hit evry ball for 4 or 6 or even ashraful who thinks he is the best batsman in the world or something. these guys need to be brought back to earth.

reyme
February 21, 2006, 01:31 AM
THANK YOU!!!!!!

I'd rather pick players who may win us a game or two, instead of players who on their best day could possibly delay the inevitable defeat, but couldnt win us matches.


CONTRADICTION! If you want to pick game winners then you are not! Look, Sham, I have nothing against you or Kopali Cheerleaders, but tell me when was the last time Kapali WON a Man of the Match? MOM is a pure indication which indicates the player who actually won the game for a team.

With his limited chances, poor Rana won back to back MOM against ZIM series. All 22 players had the opportunity to win it, but Rana prevailed. He played 3 matches, won 2 MOM. With this type of success rate if you still dont see him as a match winner, then you are biased just like the selectors to say the least. Rana single handedly or with team effort won several matches for old DOHS in the recently concluded league who are also the league champs. You cant and I gurantee you this you will never be able to say the same for kapali.

Playing Kapali is thus a waste and injustice to many and to the team.

reyme
February 21, 2006, 01:40 AM
Whoever is in form should play. Chosing Kapali over Al Shahriar is one prime example that some people are not thinking. I can assure you Kaplai will not win any match for BD at least in this series. Its not abot Rana vs. Kaplai. Its about injustice to players like Shahriar and others who could not get a spot since Kapali was chosen over.

reyme
February 21, 2006, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by fab
The people who are Kapali fans are ones who have actually SEEN him play when he was in (better) form. Some have mentioned this before but the 2003 Australia tour really showed us what Kaps and Hannan could have been capable of achieving.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone could hate the first Bangladeshi to get a hattrick..


Then why not play Nannu, Akram, Bulbul, who had awesome records like this and more? No one is telling not to play an inform Kapali, but come on man, this guy is a consistent failure for a long time now and dont even have enough confident in his ability (as written in prothom alo few months ago). I dont think he himself wants to play.

It simply amazes me as how people cant stop thinking about his 2/3 good innings years back (the one mentioned above even on a test), and still belives that he will shine one day, and even dares to ask for indefinite time for that. He was tried in more positions and given more chances instead of his failures than anybody else in the HISTORY of CRICKET!

Gosh, even Pakistani fans and selectors are not that biased!

bd_cricket
February 21, 2006, 02:00 AM
We should not complain for Kapali playing at #9. Because - remember, in many occasions we asked to reverse the batting order. They are going there one step at a time by pushing the lower middle order up and middle order down. We could possible see Ash batting at #7 or 8.

Shafin
February 21, 2006, 02:22 AM
We should now try out Rokon with his excellent form in pace of ChaCha

Ahmed_B
February 21, 2006, 02:39 AM
Hmm... so this thread has become a debate-ground for Rana fans vs. Kapali fans already?

I am out! ;)

Sham
February 21, 2006, 03:57 AM
Reyme, I choose to argue with Rubu but I shall definitely refrain from indulging you!

Rafiq bhai, I disagree about Rajin being a Javed clone because one MAJOR difference. Javed Omar is always stuck on first gear regardless of the match situation! It might be a good thing for someone to play with a cool head and give the team a platform, but once you have done that, as an ODI batsman you need to have the ability to up the tempo! Sure, take 80 balls for your first 30 but the next 50 should come at close to a run a ball! Golla will never be able to do that.

Atleast with Rajin, we have a player who can start off on first gear and has the abilit to go up to 3rd gear when it is needed. I am not saying that I am convinced about Rajin opening. Its still work in progress and we'll have to see how we fills that position, but I think its worth a try. He has ability no doubt, its just a question of him being able to adapt to that position.

sadi
February 21, 2006, 09:33 AM
Rajin will be a better opener if given enough chances... He can hit occasional fours which will take pressure off him and the team and we saw that against India and Zim...

Rubu
February 21, 2006, 09:38 AM
a rana or a kapali will never be able to change the fate of a gameRana already did it twice. Given that kapali do have the talent everyone is saying he has, he might be able to do it some day too. However, I'm not willing to wait for him to come back in form (the longest badpatch cricket has ever seen) while staying in the team. Let him first show his worth and then come to the team. As most of the people fail to understand it: this is my only problem with him. keep him out of the team until he can prove that he deserve it.

There is No doubt that playing him at #9 was a mistake.

Rana is no better than other servicable players like Mushfiq babu Remember the days when mushfiq babu used to be a good utility player serving the team? Then, we found better prospects and got over with him. That is exactly is my point. At this point, Rana is an utility player who can serve the team much better than many others , specially an off form alok. until, alok gets his form back (that is I must double emphasis again: staying out of the team. national team is not the place to work on someone's form. HP unit would be the perfect place - 3rd time saying it: not in national team). as soon as you get a better replacement replace Rana. Until them use him.

it sounds like your dislike for Kapali is disproportionate to your reasoning. I'm to say again, yes he disappointed me big time but that is not the reason I don't like him. The reason I don't like him is clean and simple: he playing harms the team because he blocks the way for some other who has the better ability to serve the team. I feel mad about him the same way I feel mad about those unqualified politicians who is running the government.

The people who are Kapali fans are ones who have actually SEEN him play when he was in (better) form How long are you willing to wait for him to come back to this form? How long before you say, OK this is enough, this guy will not go back to where he was and move on?

Fazal
February 21, 2006, 10:13 AM
The people who are Kapali fans are ones who have actually SEEN him play when he was in (better) form

I don't know where this quote came from (as I am picking this from Rubu's response).

The reason I picked that is it’s so true that it cuts both ways. That may be the reason why Kapali fans (including the selectors) were so loyal to him even when he lost all his form. They were kind of hoping for miracle comeback that really didn't happened. That basically harmed the team in the process.

As rubu mentioned, for the so-called Kapali haters, actually there is truly none. Actually there nothing to hate against Kapali, he is a charming human being. Actually unjustifiably selecting him again and again (ignoring other qualified performers) made them the Kapali haters, actually it’s towards the selectors and selection of him rather than personally hating him.

So if anyone is responsible for this so-called ever growing "Kapali haters", its
a) Kapali lovers who should blamed themselves (at least partially),
b) Selectors (for prematurely selecting him again and again ignoring other qualified performers), and
c) Kapli himself for failing to perform continuously in recent time and wasting all those gifted (not earned) opportunities.

Having said that, Kapali did a decent job in the last game compared to other players. Now if he continues to do so, there will be fewer controversies. And eventually Kapali's criticism will diminish over time. But if he fails to do so for the next few upcoming games, he will pretty much add fuel to the controversy. So it’s all up to Kapali... just show your worth and you will be off-the hook or else Kapali bashing will continue.


p.s. Its true for any player, who continue to be selected in the national team without something to show for recently.... not 2 years ago... not 1 years ago... but recently.

reyme
February 21, 2006, 03:13 PM
We said Fazal, I have nothing else to add:

"Actually unjustifiably selecting him again and again (ignoring other qualified performers) made them the Kapali haters, actually it’s towards the selectors and selection of him rather than personally hating him."

If Kapali performs thats all good. But keeping an inform player out like Rana or someone else for the sake of "hoping he will perform one day because he has the talent" is insane. It is more insane when some people still want him in the team at any cost although it is hurting the national interest.

Simply put arguing for an out of form Kapali or anybody else in that regard shows less maturiy (although they like to think others are stupid, and they are genius) and more partiality towards someone special.

Is it possible that selectors or the coach sent Kapali @ #9 since they themselves were not sure how Kapali would perform, and if he fails again, they had to bench him? The trick worked, didn't it? He can now play the next 2 games. How else they could justify an inclusion who did not have any solid performance for a long time now? You see everybody will now say put Kapali at #5/6. And when he will fail again, he will be promoted to open.

This is not a joke, this is exactly what happened before in Pakistan. The story ended when they finally put someone consistent like Rana as an opener and he duely gave the favour back by scoring a fifty agaist West Indies.

Beamer
February 21, 2006, 04:36 PM
Calm down everybody ! Kaps will come good this game...We pray for that. What a sight to behold it is to watch this man hit a cricket ball!

Tigers_eye
February 22, 2006, 02:57 PM
I have some extra pieces of pies here. Different flavors. Anyone?

Edited on, February 22, 2006, 7:58 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

Rubu
February 22, 2006, 03:02 PM
I could say, one match does say nothing.
or
Everyone did perform. So many people do not like golla he performed too. that does not mean all the negative reasoning behind him will just go away.
or
his performance was just like an utility player, just like rana. but I won't say any of them. We own the match, and he had contributed too for it. that all it matters.

Edited on, February 22, 2006, 9:05 PM GMT, by Rubu.
Reason: won't not want

Fazal
February 22, 2006, 03:28 PM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
I have some extra pieces of pies here. Different flavors. Anyone?

Edited on, February 22, 2006, 7:58 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

Fed Ex it to Alok. he is hungry. he may like it.