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DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 12:35 PM
In my opinion, it was Jayasuriya's wicket.

What do you guys think?

Kana-Baba
February 22, 2006, 12:37 PM
nope. i think its ashs 51

capslock
February 22, 2006, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by Kana-Baba
nope. i think its ashs 51


Well, a half-century innings, by definition, cannot be a 'turning point'.

Ehsan
February 22, 2006, 12:41 PM
The turning point was our batsmen turning around and taking on their responsibility :) A lot of this match depended on the Openers, full credit to JO and SN. It was not an easy pitch to bat on. I like the way our openers tried to break bowlers' confidence by punishing them after a good ball (SN took some risks though) and also how they were always waiting for a bad ball. What needs to be improved is rotating the strike in the top order.

DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 12:41 PM
"nope. i think its ashs 51"

Ash getting out on 51 may well have been the turning point of the game - the other way around :).

Don't you think so, Kana Baba (I like that name).

truetruetiger
February 22, 2006, 12:41 PM
i dont think there was a turning point in the match, bangladesh played well and consistently throughout. a big point in the match was jaywardene's wicket. luky for us we got him out early, otherwise he could have had a big innings

Mahmood
February 22, 2006, 12:44 PM
I think, winning the toss.

Sauron
February 22, 2006, 12:44 PM
Not just that one ....

There were a lot of turning points in this match ... left turns, right turns, about turns ... you name it. There were fair number of ups and downs.

Honorable Mahbubur Rahman's first wicket decision was a turning point.

Sangakara'r wkt was a turning point (first bowler wicket).

Jayasuria's wicket was another turning point.

Nazmul's last over was another turning point (about turn).

JO's chancy 40 was a turning point.


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Bottom line - I do not see any clear turning point that gave us the match.

For BD it was a total team effort - there were not one single person who won the match for us. Just like that, there was no single turning point, in my mind.

DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 12:45 PM
"i dont think there was a turning point in the match, bangladesh played well and consistently throughout"

In my opinion, there were quite a few turning points. I just decided to pick one.

Here are some others.

1. Kapali's 2 wickets in close succession. It broke the back of SL batting

2. Bashar and Ashraful's partnership - It took Bangladesh in a comfort zone.

3. Aftab and Kapali's partnership - It took the game away from SL.

4. Aftab's four and six in the same over - it was the final nail in the coffin.

Sauron
February 22, 2006, 12:46 PM
Originally posted by Mahmood
I think, winning the toss.

Actually, now that I have thought for a minute, I agee with this. In retrospect, the real turning point was the toss.

So, the match turned even before it started. Funny but true!

Spitfire_x86
February 22, 2006, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
In my opinion, it was Jayasuriya's wicket.

What do you guys think?
Possibly. If Jayasuriya batted throughout the innings, they could've scored 230-240. This extra 20-30 run could've made difference in the end.

esteban_loaiza
February 22, 2006, 12:50 PM
Turning points of this match:

1. Our moron selectors somehow managed to find out the right combination
2. It was heck of toss to win
3. All the players kept their cool and did what they were supposed to do

It is easy after you do all this...........

DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 12:51 PM
"Possibly. If Jayasuriya batted throughout the innings, they could've scored 230-240. This extra 20-30 run could've made difference in the end. "

That's exactly what came to mind. Jayasuriya was well-settled for an onslaught.

Rubu
February 22, 2006, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Mahmood
I think, winning the toss.

Not fair. I was reading the thread and was thinking about posting it. youd did it before me.

Tigers_eye
February 22, 2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Sauron
Originally posted by Mahmood
I think, winning the toss.

Actually, now that I have thought for a minute, I agee with this. In retrospect, the real turning point was the toss.

So, the match turned even before it started. Funny but true!
How can it turn before it starts? :)

It was a crucial piece of the game though.

If the total was 230, the way our batsmen played, one can assume it was attainable. But during the SL innings I felt every wicket was a turning point.
Sangakkara gone; wow! that was a big wicket.
jaywardene gone; wow! that was a big wicket.
Dilshan gone; wow! that was a big wicket.
Jayasuriya gone; wow! that was a big wicket.
Kept telling myself.

DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 12:56 PM
Not contending the toss, but i think pitch was favourably to both the opening bowlesr of both the sides when the ball aws new.

Both Sri lankan bolwers seemed to make the BD opening batsman look as if they were hanging dearly for their lives. It is a different matter that BD batasman kept hittin (Boy i enjoyed that :) )

Sauron
February 22, 2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
Both Sri lankan bolwers seemed to make the BD opening batsman look as if they were hanging dearly for their lives.

That wasn't the bowlers, it was the way JO always plays when he is making strokes. :D

I did not think Nafees looked too bad against new ball. But it is a miracle (a very good one at that) that JO hung around to make 40.

I am not dissing JO here. I think he is still an essential part of both ODI and test sides. But here he is making a brilliant stroke. The very next ball he is trying to hit a ball out side the off stump to his on-side. And the one after that he is slashing wildly at a wide out-swinger. And the delivery after that, he is trying to play cross bat on his legs.

After his first few boundaries he got extra excited and was trying to hit everything. Good for BD that Nafees talked with him and calmed him down, otherwise JO would not have made 40, I'm sure.

Again, gotta say this - JO is a must for the team.

Fazal
February 22, 2006, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
"nope. i think its ashs 51"

Ash getting out on 51 may well have been the turning point of the game - the other way around :).

Don't you think so, Kana Baba (I like that name).

Agree ... it created a mini collapse.... and a false (my) heart-failure alarm. Aftab saved the day at the end.

Sham
February 22, 2006, 02:24 PM
I think the way Aftab and Kapali batted made the difference today although I understand that it doesnt constitute a "turning point".

No doubt the bowling effort under helpful conditions was fantastic, and the platform provided by Golla and Ashraful were much needed but when the 5th wicket went down, the game could have easily gone either way!

In that face of that, Aftab and Kapali played brilliantly, shutting out the bowlers by not taking undue risks, running lots and lots of quick singles and 2s to keep the score moving and to keep the pressure on the Sri Lankan side. At no point did it look like the game was going away from us. In the end Aftab did it in style and Kapali I'm sure will be very disappointed to have gotten out when the team was on the verge of victory.

Man of the match was definitely Aftab, but on a day like this, it almost seems wrong to pick one person out!

Beamer
February 22, 2006, 02:36 PM
sham

Not nitpicking here after the victory. But, do you think Bashar is suited for no.5? I have my serious doubts. He is a boundary making player and coming so late in the order with the spread field isn;t playing to his strength. Just a passing thought. 31 of 66 balls demonstrates his inability to squeeze singles when there are not many boundaries available. Almost same type of innings he played in Cardiff and just as in today, Aftab had to explode, as in Cardiff, to close the gap and finish the deal. I think he should go back to no.3, though not a priority at the moment, but eventually it will give us the best chance.

DJ Sahastra
February 22, 2006, 02:45 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
sham

Not nitpicking here after the victory. But, do you think Bashar is suited for no.5? I have my serious doubts. He is a boundary making player and coming so late in the order with the spread field isn;t playing to his strength. Just a passing thought. 31 of 66 balls demonstrates his inability to squeeze singles when there are not many boundaries available. Almost same type of innings he played in Cardiff and just as in today, Aftab had to explode, as in Cardiff, to close the gap and finish the deal. I think he should go back to no.3, though not a priority at the moment, but eventually it will give us the best chance.

Finding two technically compact opening batsman should be the top priority for now.

Somehow, you can only watch BD openers with your hearts in your mouth!

RazabQ
February 22, 2006, 02:47 PM
Beamer, can't say I agree with you there. Bashar's batting style - by his own admission - is not ideal for the Powerplay overs where you have to go over the top occasionally. Also, as Cardiff and Bogura (why the hell do they drop the u in it's spelling), he has shown that he's actually a quite capable tap-and-run guy during the middle overs. I like him to float between 4-5 with Aftab coming in to finish things off.

As for turning points, I thought the match was fairly one-sided during the SL innings because BD kept picking up wickets regularly and who's to say Sangi or Mahel wouldn't have busted loose either. So no TP there :) During the BD innings the match was quite back and forth. Openers blazing away - we gonna win. Omar, Shahriar gone - we gonna lose. Ash & Bash duing there গোয়াল ঘরthing - we gonna win. Both depart to a case of the one-shot-winitis - we gonna lose. You get the picture ... :)

RazabQ
February 22, 2006, 03:00 PM
Beamer, can't say I agree with you there. Bashar's batting style - by his own admission - is not ideal for the Powerplay overs where you have to go over the top occasionally. Also, as Cardiff and Bogura (why the hell do they drop the u in it's spelling), he has shown that he's actually a quite capable tap-and-run guy during the middle overs. I like him to float between 4-5 with Aftab coming in to finish things off.

As for turning points, I thought the match was fairly one-sided during the SL innings because BD kept picking up wickets regularly and who's to say Sangi or Mahel wouldn't have busted loose either. So no TP there :) During the BD innings the match was quite back and forth. Openers blazing away - we gonna win. Omar, Shahriar gone - we gonna lose. Ash & Bash duing there গোয়াল ঘরthing - we gonna win. Both depart to a case of the one-shot-winitis - we gonna lose. You get the picture ... :)

Rubu
February 22, 2006, 03:04 PM
Bashar has problem facing new ball. He usually does better in ODI when the ball is old. So, I'd say #5 is the position for Bashar for ODI.

Beamer
February 22, 2006, 03:45 PM
So, he is neither suited for no.3 nor no.5. Hmm...I had that suspicision too. Don't read too much into my thought though. Just was pondering. Not calling for his head or anything..

Fazal
February 22, 2006, 04:09 PM
Turning point of the match

I think the first two turning points of the match was even before a single ball was bowled.

1. Selection of Gullu for 2nd ODI
2. Winning the toss

nihi
February 22, 2006, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Sauron

There were a lot of turning points in this match ... left turns, right turns, about turns ... you name it.

Too many turning points may mean no turning point at all. Consider a polygon and a circle. Where there are some turning points (read corners) in a polygon you can recognize it as a polygon (triangle, square, pentagon, hexagon...). As the number of turing points increases, they start to smooth out, eventually approaching to a circle.

http://www.urban.ne.jp/home/jinke/logo/img/polygon.gif

Looking back we can see our successes corelate with the roundness of the turing points that we spawned.

shovon13
February 22, 2006, 04:28 PM
ugh...i have a midterm for multivariable calculus in an hour. this is NOT what i need.

lol

shamster
February 22, 2006, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
In my opinion, it was Jayasuriya's wicket.

What do you guys think? it may sound silly but us winning the toss!

Bat-PadTogether
February 22, 2006, 04:40 PM
1.Winning the toss and we bowled a very good line#length.
2. Get the wicket Of Jaisurya when he was hitting
3.Pat between Ash and Bash

Spitfire_x86
February 22, 2006, 05:04 PM
Actually Bashar is not suited for ODI at all. He is the 2nd worst ODI batsman in our side (the top place belongs to Javed). This is coming from one of the biggest Bashar fan.

The solution is his retirement and finding a better replacement. Untill then, we have use him at #3 or #4 or #5, according to gameplan and match situation.

Edited on, February 22, 2006, 10:06 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

shovon13
February 22, 2006, 05:11 PM
within a couple of years, bashar would probably only be playing for our test team. i'm not trying to bash bashar by any means. he's still the most successful batsman on our team, but we have a few more batsmen coming up in mushfiq, sakib, tamim, shamsur and few others in the NCL such as farhad et al. those guys are just better suited at the odi game than bashar, but are lacking in experience.

a similar case is in effect for golla, although he'll probably be replaced in the odi team much sooner than bashar.

but i think both of these guys will remain a staple in our test team until they retire.

Edited on, February 22, 2006, 10:12 PM GMT, by shovon13.

Sham
February 22, 2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
sham

Not nitpicking here after the victory. But, do you think Bashar is suited for no.5? I have my serious doubts. He is a boundary making player and coming so late in the order with the spread field isn;t playing to his strength. Just a passing thought. 31 of 66 balls demonstrates his inability to squeeze singles when there are not many boundaries available. Almost same type of innings he played in Cardiff and just as in today, Aftab had to explode, as in Cardiff, to close the gap and finish the deal. I think he should go back to no.3, though not a priority at the moment, but eventually it will give us the best chance.

Yeah I was wondering about that as well. The way I see it, Bashar is the weakest link in our ODI team. In Test matches its a different story but his one-day record is downright poor. So, I would probably go about it by finding the best position for the other guys in the team and then slotting Bashar in at the vacant position. He isnt really ideal at no.5 because as you said, he doesnt really nudge enough singles. He can drive the spinners to long off and long on for singles, but any international batsman can do that. The little nudges into the gaps for quick singles, as Aftab and Kapali did for a while today, isn't really within Bashar's range of capabilities. However, I agree with those who say that he isnt an ideal number 3 either.

Ashraful and Aftab are settling well into 4 and 6. Given today's team, I'd rather still have Rajin at 3. As some have said, he did look good today. His cover drive for 4 was one of the shots of the match I think, much better than anything Golla and Abir hit. However, he isn't staying out there long enough to get a score. He has gotten out in the same way twice and needs to adjust his technique a little bit.

Also, I totally agree with DJ. Our openers still worry me big time. Golla is Golla, its too late now to improve his technique. He'll just go on playing the way he does till we find a suitable successor. As for Abir, he really needs to tighten up his technique. He is a natural batsman and has talent no doubt, and his technique might still sustain him in the sub-continent, but make him open in a test match in England or Australia and he won't last an over against McGrath.

Given that Whatmore isnt really the type of coach to sort out his batsmen's techniques, we should think about hiring a specialist for a month or so to work with our ten best batsmen in making the little adjustments necessary in their techniques. A couple of weeks even with the likes of a Sunny Gavaskar would do wonders for some of these guys, if even only to identify the problems and figure out how to correct them. The players themselves with the help of their local coaches can go about doing the actual corrections because that is a much longer process but someone who knows what he is talking about needs to tell them what to do.

RazabQ
February 22, 2006, 05:20 PM
Excellent post Sham. Good to have you back. So what type of coach is Whatmore? We have Saluddin for fielding. We have a shrink for the head games. So Whatmore lookers after our bowlers? :)

Also I'm starting to think SL batting will come hard after our part-timers in Chittagong.

As an aside, Chittagong apparently derives it's name from arabic.

Shaat-el-Gange = mouth of the ganges.

Wikipedia rocks!

Sham
February 22, 2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by RazabQ
So what type of coach is Whatmore? We have Saluddin for fielding. We have a shrink for the head games. So Whatmore lookers after our bowlers? :)


He is the type of coach who motivates the team by going topless at every opportunity! :D

Mr-khan
February 22, 2006, 06:23 PM
1.Good bowling
2.Bashar-Ash and Kapali-Aftab partnership

Flipper
February 22, 2006, 08:16 PM
Turning Point... the humiliating loss in the 1st game. A wake up call to a bunch of telented and capable Guns!

Haradhon
February 22, 2006, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by DJ Sahastra
"i dont think there was a turning point in the match, bangladesh played well and consistently throughout"

In my opinion, there were quite a few turning points. I just decided to pick one.

Here are some others.

1. Kapali's 2 wickets in close succession. It broke the back of SL batting

2. Bashar and Ashraful's partnership - It took Bangladesh in a comfort zone.

3. Aftab and Kapali's partnership - It took the game away from SL.

4. Aftab's four and six in the same over - it was the final nail in the coffin.

I would give some credits to Masri and Rasel for their tight bowling

MarufH
February 22, 2006, 09:13 PM
Definately winning the toss and the whole team taking responsibility.. you see we dont have players like sachin or inzamam who alone can change the match so everyone has to play well in order to win...

Shafin
February 22, 2006, 11:01 PM
It'not true,playes like ashraful or aftab can single handed;y change the scene in a match.Mark my words,you'll watch some of these matchs soon.