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Spitfire_x86
March 2, 2006, 03:35 PM
Aftab should replace Kapali, and bat at #6. Pilot goes back to #7. If he scores runs, he can score them from #7.

Making room for Mushfiq Rahim is not so easy, and its necessity is also arguable. Pilot is staying as WK, so if Mushfiq comes in the first XI, he must be selected as specialist batsman. I think we don't need 3 openers. Many people doesn't have confidence in Shahriar Nafees as Test opener, because he often fishes outside off stump. But JO fishes even more, and Nafees Iqbal isn't completely free from this disesase either. Moreover, Nafees Iqbal played the two worst possible shots to get himself out in this test. Since Faruk believes in "punishment theory", it would be a good punishment to drop him from the 2nd test XI. But I think he should get another chance, since he came back after a long time and looked pretty solid when he batted. JO should get dropped, if we want to play Mushfiq Rahim in middle order.


My worst fear: Selectors may make one change in the batting line-up for the 2nd test. And in that case, it's very likely that Rajin will replace Alok, Aftab will stay out again and no chance at all for Mushfiq Rahim.

Mr-khan
March 2, 2006, 03:42 PM
Mashrafee and Musfiq will be playing in 2nd test.
http://www.dailynayadiganta.com/fullnews.asp?News_ID=all&sec=7
read the 1st article.

sadi
March 2, 2006, 03:45 PM
Javed Omar must stay... he looked quite good in the second innings... if anyone has to go, it has to be nafis iqbal.... but I don't think the selectors would be stupid enough to drop him just to accomodate Musfiq.... so Musfiq has to wait... eventhough he got himself out in both innings, he looked solid while he was there and atleast he gave us a start...... a little bit of "Jari" would do the trick I hope..... Aftab must come back in place of Kapali...... so no place for Rajin

Fazal
March 2, 2006, 04:00 PM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Aftab should replace Kapali, and bat at #6. Pilot goes back to #7. If he scores runs, he can score them from #7.

Making room for Mushfiq Rahim is not so easy, and its necessity is also arguable. Pilot is staying as WK, so if Mushfiq comes in the first XI, he must be selected as specialist batsman. I think we don't need 3 openers. Many people doesn't have confidence in Shahriar Nafees as Test opener, because he often fishes outside off stump. But JO fishes even more, and Nafees Iqbal isn't completely free from this disesase either. Moreover, Nafees Iqbal played the two worst possible shots to get himself out in this test. Since Faruk believes in "punishment theory", it would be a good punishment to drop him from the 2nd test XI. But I think he should get another chance, since he came back after a long time and looked pretty solid when he batted. JO should get dropped, if we want to play Mushfiq Rahim in middle order.


My worst fear: Selectors may make one change in the batting line-up for the 2nd test. And in that case, it's very likely that Rajin will replace Alok, Aftab will stay out again and no chance at all for Mushfiq Rahim.

Agree with you including the fear part.

Rubu
March 2, 2006, 04:01 PM
For the greater good of Bangladesh cricket, I still think mushi should not play. The reason is, selectors through alok made a expression among players that, they need to prove talented to be in the team. that is the reason of irresponsible shots from NI SN and all other. they feel the necessity that they need to to prove themself talented. how? by playing impossible shots so that everyone goes wow! what if you get out without scoring much? that did not have any impact on selection.

I don't want mushi to learn that and get damaged. either selectors and management has to learn or they need to be replaced. then, things should get better, and mushi will have plenty of time to play.

Rubu
March 2, 2006, 04:05 PM
From a more serious tone: NI must be dropped with alok. Aftab must be in. Mashrafee must be in even if that means replacing rajib. In that case someone else can come in from the following bunch: all have some advantages and disadvantages, so does not matter who: mushi, rajin, rana.

sadi
March 2, 2006, 04:31 PM
Well if I had to choose a team for second test, it would have been something like this:

Javed Omar, Shahriar Nafees, Habibul Bashar, Mohammed Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Musfiqur Rahim, Khaled Masud, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafee Mortaza, Syed Rasel, Enamul Haqur jr

Fazal
March 2, 2006, 04:32 PM
Originally posted by sadi
Well if I had to choose a team for second test, it would have been something like this:

Javed Omar, Shahriar Nafees, Habibul Bashar, Mohammed Ashraful, Aftab Ahmed, Musfiqur Rahim, Khaled Masud, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafee Mortaza, Syed Rasel, Enamul Haqur jr

:great:

Beamer
March 2, 2006, 04:58 PM
If I had my way, the 2nd test team and order will look like this:

1. N Iqbal 2 S Nafees 3 Bashar 4 Ashraful 5 Rahim 6 Aftab 7 pilot 8 Rafiq 9 Masrafe 10 Rasel 11 Enamul ( shahdat, if its a seaming wkt ) ..Ash and Aftab should bowl 10-15 overs each in each innings..Must make a batting heavy team.

sadi
March 2, 2006, 05:01 PM
i just can't forgive nafis iqbal for what he did..... sorry he won't be in my team... atleast not for this test.... :down:

Rubu
March 2, 2006, 05:12 PM
Originally posted by sadi
i just can't forgive nafis iqbal for what he did..... sorry he won't be in my team... atleast not for this test.... :down:

agree completely. they need to be punished for bad work. that might help them learn.

Beamer
March 2, 2006, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by Rubu
For the greater good of Bangladesh cricket, I still think mushi should not play. The reason is, selectors through alok made a expression among players that, they need to prove talented to be in the team. that is the reason of irresponsible shots from NI SN and all other. they feel the necessity that they need to to prove themself talented. how? by playing impossible shots so that everyone goes wow! what if you get out without scoring much? that did not have any impact on selection.

I don't want mushi to learn that and get damaged. either selectors and management has to learn or they need to be replaced. then, things should get better, and mushi will have plenty of time to play.

Don't know if I agree with you. If your arguement is valid, as I think what you are insinuating, then Javed won't play ( not much talent there ) and Aftab or Rahim or both will play as both are recognized as superior talents. You need to stop seeing shadows of Alok in every bush. He was batting at no.7- a bowler or a bowling allrounders slot ( same as rafiq ). It was obvious that they wanted an extra spinning all rounder though why he wasn't used by Bashar as that capacity remains a mystery. You have earlier said that Bashar was trying to send a signal to the selectors for picking Alok by not bowling at all to show his displeasure. You are trekking on the path of Oliver Stone here. looking for Conspiracy theories where there aren't any. Bashar always maintained his admiration for Alok's batting capabilities and the frustration to not see it blossom into something meaningful.

Flipper
March 2, 2006, 05:15 PM
I see a good capable test batsman in Nafis Iqbal, but when is he going to learn?

mafizraju
March 2, 2006, 05:32 PM
nafis can certainly make a splendid batsman if he can stop doing what he did in both bangladesh innigs....... and for the 2nd test, in my team there would be only one change that is Aftab for Alok thats it. If masrafee is recalled then the situation is different. Now if the wicket is like the wicket in the first ODI with bit of grass and not assisting any spin I would drop Enam Jr and Put Mash in. Too bad given the consistency problem with the team cant risk to have one less batsman. The best Solution Would Habe been if we could have 5 bowlers. But to do that our batsman needs to way more consistance.

Another thing could be done. Since I guess the consistency part of our batsmen does not realy depend on how many batsman we are playing we can drop Nafis and Bring Mash if he is fit to do so. That was it doesnot really matter who is where.

I think Shahriar Nafees will be a better top order batsman than a Opener. I think Nafis Iqbal is a genuin opener.

Fazal
March 2, 2006, 05:50 PM
Originally posted by Beamer
You need to stop seeing shadows of Alok in every bush. He was batting at no.7- a bowler or a bowling allrounders slot ( same as rafiq ). It was obvious that they wanted an extra spinning all rounder though why he wasn't used by Bashar as that capacity remains a mystery. You have earlier said that Bashar was trying to send a signal to the selectors for picking Alok by not bowling at all to show his displeasure. You are trekking on the path of Oliver Stone here. looking for Conspiracy theories where there aren't any. Bashar always maintained his admiration for Alok's batting capabilities and the frustration to not see it blossom into something meaningful.

Its human nature that when you see unexplained mystery, Conspiracy theories will pop up like mushrooms. The fact is Alok selected as bowling allrounders but he was never used. Now where the strategy broke down? Unless Faruk, Dav & Bashar explains to us... the controversies will not end.

To me:

The Cricket is a business
The selectors are the product manager
The coach is the project manager
The captain is the team lead
The players are the team members
The Game is the product
The score card is the perfomance/quality Indicator
And we, the fans are the end users or the customers or even the share holders

The product manager, project manager, team lead runs the show... but they need to be accountable to us some way... need to explain where the plan broke down


Edited on, March 2, 2006, 10:54 PM GMT, by Fazal.

FagunerAgun
March 2, 2006, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by Fazal


To me:

The Cricket is a business
The selectors are the product manager
The coach is the project manager
The captain is the team lead
The players are the team members
The Game is the product
The score card is the perfomance/quality Indicator
And we, the fans are the end users or the customers or even the share holders

The product manager, project manager, team lead runs the show... but they need to be accountable to us some way... need to explain where the plan broke down


Edited on, March 2, 2006, 10:54 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Well stated but they are not accountable to us at all because they know we have only one game to watch in the international level which is cricket. Football and other games in BD are nowhere.

Cricket for us is like camels' eating date leaves..when camels eat the sharp date leaves, their tongues bleed but there is no other things to eat in the barren desert.

When we watch BD cricket and the players stupidity, we drybleed as well but we have no other options other than following BD cricket, do we?

gravitY
March 2, 2006, 06:11 PM
I would like to see Nafees Iqbal and Alok Kapali out, Aftab and Mushfiq in.

Also i'm kinda surprised reading what faruk sed after the day. Seems like he's quite happy with the team performance. He should not be happy with this kind of performance, I mean we need to have hunger for better and better performance and perhaps wins.