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gravitY
March 2, 2006, 06:08 PM
Please!! there should be no excuse the way he chased a 'double wide' ball.

[2 umpire ek sathe haath prosharito korleo oi wide ta hobe na, 3 jon umpire eksathe dariye haath proshaarito kortehobe oi wide deyar jonno]

The only reward he should get is get AXED for the next match and perhaps few more matches. He must pay for what he did else he'd never understand. No mercy for this kind of shot, also he got out in the first innings playing a loose shot. :mad::mad::E

Fazal
March 2, 2006, 06:10 PM
Kintu Gullur fishing-er ke hobe?

The difference was Gullu was lucky and nafis was not.

gravitY
March 2, 2006, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
Kintu Gullur fishing-er ke hobe?

The difference was Gullu was lucky and nafis was not.

At least gullu didn't chase a ball miles away of him. hoyto korche jeta ami hoyto miss korchi. But its really painful to see what Nafees did. Unbelievable, we're in a Five-day match, and have a good chance to put oponent under pressure. Players need to use their yello matter, if they have any at all.

Edited on, March 2, 2006, 11:15 PM GMT, by gravitY.

Rubu
March 2, 2006, 07:37 PM
NI should be punished for what he has done. if Bd started punishing playing for stupidity, they would probably have learned something by now. For NI dropping from the next test or fining 200% of his match fee (pays 100% insteading of getting anything) would be a justified punishment.

AsifTheManRahman
March 2, 2006, 08:29 PM
the title of this thread is simply perfect, isn't it? :mad:

some people are amazing. i say we retain iqbal in the second test - you can't say he will repeat his mistake without giving him a chance. he was doing pretty good in the first innings, which shows, albeit the fact that he threw it all away, that he is capable of scoring big even with his recent slump in international cricket.

khochata boroi kutshit chilo, manlam. kintu tai bole to dol theke ber kore dawar kisu hoy nai. emon na je shey por por 2/3 matche eki bhul korse.

gravitY
March 2, 2006, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
the title of this thread is simply perfect, isn't it? :mad:

some people are amazing. i say we retain iqbal in the second test - you can't say he will repeat his mistake without giving him a chance. he was doing pretty good in the first innings, which shows, albeit the fact that he threw it all away, that he is capable of scoring big even with his recent slump in international cricket.

khochata boroi kutshit chilo, manlam. kintu tai bole to dol theke ber kore dawar kisu hoy nai. emon na je shey por por 2/3 matche eki bhul korse.

What would you say about his first innings out?

How many runs did he score, btw? It is not that he's been there for 3hrs or so, therefore he is tired and lost his concentration.

I'd rather say no matter how good you play, you should pay for this kind of wild shot. This is for their betterment, so that they know their responsibilities toward the team.

sajjadul
March 2, 2006, 09:31 PM
The bottom line is you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. No matter how well the coach train them, they just can't follow them.

We need fresh blood.
Not only Nafees........ we also need to replace Golla, Bashar, Alok.........

Don't give me historical statistics and crap. We are thankful for what good they did to the team.

But we need to move on with the future.

mshakir56
March 2, 2006, 09:42 PM
He needs spectacles, thats all. He should get an eye examination.

CricTiger
March 2, 2006, 09:51 PM
খোঁচা মারার অভ্যাসটা আর গেল না


Drop him as a punishment

tutul
March 2, 2006, 09:54 PM
I have never seen such a stupid shot in my life. How can a test batsman go for that kinda ball?

sadi
March 2, 2006, 10:00 PM
I think it has already become one of the most talked about shot any bangladesh batsman played in test cricket....

Ahmed_B
March 2, 2006, 11:43 PM
Originally posted by sajjadul
The bottom line is you cannot teach an old dog new tricks. No matter how well the coach train them, they just can't follow them...
If we follow this THEORY and start calling players like Nafis as 'old dogs' and start replacing them with 'fresh bloods' ... then soon enough (maybe in the WC2007) we will be playing our U-12 team against other Test nations!! That surely will be quite interesting! ;)

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 4:49 AM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

reyme
March 3, 2006, 01:11 AM
It was becase of Nafis we did not lose 5 wkts in 25 runs, which used to be the case not so long ago. At least this guy can stay in the crease for a while. He might not have scored big but stayed there for quite sometime. That shot slection was wrong, but it can happen to anybody, he just wanted to slash at a bad ball.

Nafis is not the problem, main problem is somewhere else. I say give him another chance.

nemo
March 3, 2006, 02:11 AM
i agree you can't teach an old dog new tricks. we need fresh blood with common sense.

Sauron
March 3, 2006, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by AsifTheManRahman
khochata boroi kutshit chilo, manlam. kintu tai bole to dol theke ber kore dawar kisu hoy nai. emon na je shey por por 2/3 matche eki bhul korse.


কথাটা খারাপ বলেন নাই। শুধু শুধু দল থেকে বের করে দেওয়ার কি দরকার। বের করে দেওয়ার আগে দুই একটা চপেটাঘাত করলে খারাপ হয় না।

টেস্ট খেল্‌বোই আমরা মাত্র দুইটা। একটা খেলায় দুইবার সুযোগ পেয়েও যদি কাজে না লাগায়, তাহলে আর রেখে কি লাভ। এমন তো না যে চিরকালের জন্য বের করে দিচ্ছে।


Edited on, March 3, 2006, 7:19 AM GMT, by Sauron.

RazabQ
March 3, 2006, 02:31 AM
Consistency of selection and backing your talented players is the hall mart of good selection policy. People go on about Andrew Flintoff but when he was selected, for the longest time he hardly scored runs and his bowling was just fast and expensive. The world-beating teams of Border, Taylor and Waugh were forged in the side that lost a lot of games till the 87 world cup.

Nafis got out on both innings to idiotic shots yes, but he who would you replace him with? Shahriar?

What is more interesting to me is why Bashar underbowled Alok so badly?

tanvir_nus
March 3, 2006, 02:50 AM
I don't understand why everyone has a soft corner for Nafis Iqbal. Undoubtedly the most over-rated player, been always against his selection, and his performance unfortunately just makes it even more frustrating. I don't doubt his "potential", mark the word potential because any player of his age and past record in u-19 team and the 100 against England may make a mark in the "future". But his "performance" is what it matters not the other P. I am sick and tired of all these players like alok, rajin, nafis making into the national team. Except Rajin and Alok in one or two occasion Nafis hasn't done anything in the national team, the A team, or the NCL. Then why the hell select an out of form batsmen low in cofidence, whose technique is not right, whose only shots are drives and occasional cuts. Specialist opening batsmen with limited batting capability in all parts is what describes this guy the best.

People may highly regard him because he called the english spinners "ORDINARY", but the cricket I have seen him playing, he is a lot short of that word. His brother who was dropped in the u-19 world cup is just a mere copy of him but in a more attacking form.

He should only be brought back into the team once he has 3 or 4 centuries under his belt in the NCL, and lets face it, eventhough his career strike rate in ODI is around 50 and not that low by bangladeshi standard, it's pretty low for an opener by ODI standard today. In ODI team he is a hell no!

RazabQ
March 3, 2006, 02:56 AM
Tanvir, on the basis of his last two matches - in SL and here in Chittagong, NI was, after Ash, the most compact BD batsman on display. When your other opener either flashes anything fast and short outside the off stump (JO) or has footwork that makes Marcus Tresco look like Baryshnikov (SN), then NI cannot be thrown away just like that.

Toutais
March 3, 2006, 03:10 AM
have any of u guys actually played any cricket at all?
u cant just blame a batsman for one mistake like that.

the ball is coming at over 120kmh u dont have so much time to sit and think about what u are going to do.

everyone makes mistakes and they have to get over them.
its laughable to think that a test match opening batsman is dropped just for a few soft dismissals.

anyone remember mathew haden in england he got out alot of times to bad shots but australia kept him till the last game and he scored 100 then.:fanflag:

Sauron
March 3, 2006, 03:10 AM
নাফিস এর বদলে মুশফিক অথবা আফতাব কে নেওয়া যায় সহজেই। কেউই যেখানে ধারাবাহিকতা রাখতে পারেনা, সেখানে সবার সুযোগ পাওয়া উচিত।

RazabQ
March 3, 2006, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by Sauron

নাফিস এর বদলে মুশফিক অথবা আফতাব কে নেওয়া যায় সহজেই। কেউই যেখানে ধারাবাহিকতা রাখতে পারেনা, সেখানে সবার সুযোগ পাওয়া উচিত।
Wrong! chopping and changing achieves nothing but damaging the player's psyche. Read the interviews of all the former england players on CI - they all take about how the Fletcher regime contrasts with the old days.

Sauron
March 3, 2006, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by Toutais
have any of u guys actually played any cricket at all?
u cant just blame a batsman for one mistake like that.

the ball is coming at over 120kmh u dont have so much time to sit and think about what u are going to do.

everyone makes mistakes and they have to get over them.
its laughable to think that a test match opening batsman is dropped just for a few soft dismissals.

anyone remember mathew haden in england he got out alot of times to bad shots but australia kept him till the last game and he scored 100 then.:fanflag:

ভাইজান নিশ্চই বিশিষ্ট ক্রিকেট খেলোয়ার। আপনার সাথে তর্ক করার ধৃষ্টতা আমার নাই। এক্‌টা কথাই বল্‌বো - ৯৯ এর বিশ্বকাপ থেকে বাংলাদেশ মোটামুটি সব খেলাই দেখেছি। নাফিস ইকবাল যে জাভেদ ওমরের উৎকৃষ্ট সংস্করন, তা আপনাকে না জিজ্ঞাসা করলেও জানি। এই দুইজনের হাত থেকে ব্যাট নিয়ে হাতে ঝাড়ু ধরিয়ে দেওয়া দরকার। তাহলেই তাদের ঝাড়ু মারা স্বার্থক হবে।

Sauron
March 3, 2006, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by RazabQ
Originally posted by Sauron

নাফিস এর বদলে মুশফিক অথবা আফতাব কে নেওয়া যায় সহজেই। কেউই যেখানে ধারাবাহিকতা রাখতে পারেনা, সেখানে সবার সুযোগ পাওয়া উচিত।
Wrong! chopping and changing achieves nothing but damaging the player's psyche.


এইটা ভাই আপনার মতামত। নিজের মতামত ঠিক মনে হওয়াই স্বাভাবিক। তবে প্রশ্ন হল - ড্যামেজ্‌ড জিনিস কে নতুন করে আর কিভাবে ড্যামেজ্‌ড করবেন?

gravitY
March 3, 2006, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by Toutais
have any of u guys actually played any cricket at all?
u cant just blame a batsman for one mistake like that.

the ball is coming at over 120kmh u dont have so much time to sit and think about what u are going to do.

everyone makes mistakes and they have to get over them.
its laughable to think that a test match opening batsman is dropped just for a few soft dismissals.

anyone remember mathew haden in england he got out alot of times to bad shots but australia kept him till the last game and he scored 100 then.:fanflag:


It is not just one mistake. First innings shot was somewhat acceptable, but second innings shot? I find no reason to chase a ball miles away of your body. Let the ball go, it was a definite Wide. Fernando was having trouble, wait a ball, see what the next ball is...

I don't care if the ball is coming at 120 or 150kph, it is rather the way he chased it. khati banglay bolle DRISTIKOTU. I mean why would you do that? do we need to score 13 runs in one over? Besides he's an openning batsmen, he is there coz he's specialist for that kind of situation. Same kind of shot in both innings and result is the same.

Now I remember our last world cup performance, awful way our top order got out, every single match they copy their last out.

The reason I want him out at least for next match is that way he and all other players know there's some sort of penalty for such an irresponsible-wild shot.

And please dont call that a soft dismissal. Soft dismissall is the one when Ash got out by close in filder.

gravitY
March 3, 2006, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by Sauron


ভাইজান নিশ্চই বিশিষ্ট ক্রিকেট খেলোয়ার। আপনার সাথে তর্ক করার ধৃষ্টতা আমার নাই। এক্‌টা কথাই বল্‌বো - ৯৯ এর বিশ্বকাপ থেকে বাংলাদেশ মোটামুটি সব খেলাই দেখেছি। নাফিস ইকবাল যে জাভেদ ওমরের উৎকৃষ্ট সংস্করন, তা আপনাকে না জিজ্ঞাসা করলেও জানি। এই দুইজনের হাত থেকে ব্যাট নিয়ে হাতে ঝাড়ু ধরিয়ে দেওয়া দরকার। তাহলেই তাদের ঝাড়ু মারা স্বার্থক হবে।


LOL .. funny the way you sed.

Baundule
March 3, 2006, 04:26 AM
I would better help him to improve him...pressure is usually not the best thing to attain a good performance. If he is replaced, the replaced batsman will as well be under pressure.

So, I would just tell him to concentrate on his game, rather than throwing him in the dustbin right after one match(even though he made mistakes in both innings.)

cricket_pagol
March 3, 2006, 04:37 AM
It was irresponsible with the way he got OUT on both innings, but i think he definitely has the potential to be better. Besides, he is playing for the national team after a while, so we should give him some time before we chop with an axe!

nemo
March 3, 2006, 05:39 AM
NI simply committs suicide. he allows his natural instinct to overcome his judge, which is hitting a projectile if it comes towards you. Cricket is simply a game were you can master your raw instincts. NI was dropped when the bangladesh-A team toured England and the team played Shariar nafees and Mehrab Jr. as openers. Both of them have a record partnership of 202.ment

fan_frm_the_uk
March 3, 2006, 06:24 AM
i agree he got out in most idiotic style but won't be it idiotic too dropping him for that reason only? one funny thing i have noticed, whenever any of our players is criticised he quote him as the most over-rated player. Say, when we talk about rokon- most overrated, alok- most overrated, rajin- most overrated. True, we can have our personal view, but that doesnt mean whatever we think is always right. (we r human too and bound to make mistakes). We can't force our personal view as a truth.

anyway, i was so dissapointed seeing the way he got out, making mistake is not that crime, when people learn nothing out of it. My opinion is to give him another chance at least. If he improves he's got a character, if not- then O-N-D-H-O-K-A-R.

Mohiul
March 3, 2006, 08:10 AM
This theory of axing is not working for BD team, is it? So, he should be adviced well and given the chance of playing in the full series.

thebest
March 3, 2006, 08:45 AM
when we learn axing - reinstated - axing circle does not work. Look at today's CI on Defraitus comment for his lack of success and reason of Flechur- Naseer - Vaughan success. It is consistency that matter

khalifa
March 3, 2006, 09:16 AM
Utpol Shuvro of Prothom Alo has the same opinion - axe NI at least for the second test, just as a punishment. Read the article here:


http://www.prothom-alo.net/v1/newhtmlnews1/category.php?CategoryID=9&Date=2006-03-03

choolwa abir
March 3, 2006, 09:22 AM
Nafees iqbal always seems to trigger bangladesh,s batting collapse by getting set and then getting out by playing an unnecessary shot.
Axe him for good, i don't care if he's Faruks bhaygna or bhathesa.

oracle
March 3, 2006, 09:24 AM
This theory of axing is not working for BD team, is it? So, he should be adviced well and given the chance of playing in the full series.


agree. I would like to see new ideas to address BD batting problems. It's easy to say axe him.

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2006, 09:28 AM
Fine kora uchit. Coach ar bashar bhai'er (shey ki bolbey, shey nijei ekta culprit) needs to grill him till he understands they are the boss not his wife. He will be out from the test team if the same thing happens again.

Rabz
March 3, 2006, 09:50 AM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
Fine kora uchit. Coach ar bashar bhai'er (shey ki bolbey, shey nijei ekta culprit) needs to grill him till he understands they are the boss not his wife. He will be out from the test team if the same thing happens again.

i can understand ur frustation ...im too very upset. but i dont understand why would u have to bring his family and wife in the middle of this argument?

can we all keep a positive approach on our attitude plz...

so next innigs he plays...u gonna bring his mom into it??

remember what an uproar it created when boycott told that his mom could play better cricket than bangladesh?

now we don wanna go down the same path here..do we ??

our players arent the finest ones, neither they are perfect.
n yes they make silly silly mistakes more often than not...

and even though u were sayin it as a figure of speech, i think we can avoid mentioning thier families, wifes and kids outta this pic and go on about our criticisms..

thank you

Sauron
March 3, 2006, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by khalifa
Utpol Shuvro of Prothom Alo has the same opinion - axe NI at least for the second test, just as a punishment. Read the article here:


http://www.prothom-alo.net/v1/newhtmlnews1/category.php?CategoryID=9&Date=2006-03-03


একেবারে আমার মনের কথা। "বাংলাদেশ দলে জায়গাটা এতো সস্তা নয়।" :up:

দায়িত্বহীনতাকে প্রশ্রয় দেওয়ার কোন কারন নেই। তোতা পাখি'র মতো "আরো সুযোগ দেওয়া উচিত" এই কথাটা বল্‌বেন না।

tiger1000
March 3, 2006, 12:56 PM
:fanflag::

Pundit
March 3, 2006, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by gravitY
Please!! there should be no excuse the way he chased a 'double wide' ball.

[2 umpire ek sathe haath prosharito korleo oi wide ta hobe na, 3 jon umpire eksathe dariye haath proshaarito kortehobe oi wide deyar jonno]

The only reward he should get is get AXED for the next match and perhaps few more matches. He must pay for what he did else he'd never understand. No mercy for this kind of shot, also he got out in the first innings playing a loose shot. :mad::mad::E

Lets begin by axing you, and then we can think of NI's fate.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 6:01 PM GMT, by Pundit.
Reason: mis-print

gravitY
March 3, 2006, 04:36 PM
Originally posted by Pundit
Originally posted by gravitY
Please!! there should be no excuse the way he chased a 'double wide' ball.

[2 umpire ek sathe haath prosharito korleo oi wide ta hobe na, 3 jon umpire eksathe dariye haath proshaarito kortehobe oi wide deyar jonno]

The only reward he should get is get AXED for the next match and perhaps few more matches. He must pay for what he did else he'd never understand. No mercy for this kind of shot, also he got out in the first innings playing a loose shot. :mad::mad::E

Lets begin by axing you, and then we can think of NI's fate.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 6:01 PM GMT, by Pundit.
Reason: mis-print


Didn't quite understand the rationale behind your desire for axing me, whereas I explained why I want Nafees be dropped from next test.

Bat-PadTogether
March 3, 2006, 07:30 PM
Drop Iqbal so other should also learn a lesson.What hell of those shot he played.

Bat-PadTogether
March 3, 2006, 07:32 PM
We never learn from our mistakes.Javed Omar should be also warned about his fishing outside the off stump and play across the line.