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obernell
March 2, 2006, 07:36 PM
I think its only a matter of time for Rahim to replace Pilot. It will be a little heart breaking for many of us, but its inevitable. Wicketkeepers in India, Pakistan, Srilanka, Australia provide solid support to their batsman. With our current batting standard, we can't afford to set aside a great wicketkeeper/middle order batsman. I think rahim should be included as a batsman for a year or so, and would replace pilot onces he starts to perform consistently.

abherath
March 3, 2006, 04:34 AM
I thought Pilot was one of the better batsmen of Bangladesh. It is only that he has been as inconsistent as the others like Bashar, Shariar Nafees, Nafees Iqbal and Javed Omar lately.

Pilot is also very useful to Bashar in terms of help with on-field decision making.

Add to that, he is a genuine keeper. So he should be part of the team, I think.

roi
March 3, 2006, 04:48 AM
When does Pilot score any 50+ innings last time?
:E

Sovik
March 3, 2006, 06:47 AM
he scored his last fifty against new zealand but thats not the point. he is doing a great job as a wicket keeper. he is always helping bashar in field placing (as a vice captain). mushfiq rahim is a very good batsman but still very young to take pilot's place. he could play as a batsman but not as a wicket keeper batsman.

Ahmed_B
March 3, 2006, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by roi
When does Pilot score any 50+ innings last time?
:E
You can ask that question to any batsmen in the team and 90% of the times you will get equal unsatisfactory answers! ;)

BTW.... I must mention one thing here... that Replacing Pilot and including Rahim in the team are not really complimentary issues at all. Rahim will probably deserve a spot in the team simply with his batting within few days. Here are my observations: .....
Fans who want Rahim to replace Pilot mostly fall under these categories:

1) Fans who does not really like Pilot
2) Fans who like Rahim too much and thinks that Pilot is the reason for which Rahim can't get into the team
3) Fans who are in the group of "cut the old haggards and input fresh teen-age blood in the team"
4) Fans who do not really bother to wait for the step-by-step procedure which any age-group player should go through before entering the National side.

I must mention some of my own observation on this issue here:

Firstly, direct input of Ashraful, Aftab, Nafis Iqbal from the U-19 side to the National squad has not really turned out to be a considerable success. They are now settled (some still not) after fair bit of struggle scoring around 20 runs matches after matches. It's not like they did not have talent, it's just that they were forced to jump from the age group into the National side prematurely.

Secondly, it really scares me a lot to imagine that tiny mushfiq with his u-19 experience is standing behind the stumps having a hard time coping with International level keeping experience without having any transitional period in A-teams etc... pheeww!! He really needs more time to get to that level !! Giv him that breathing space if you don't want to spoil his career and trash him like we did to many players already.

Thirdly, Pilot scored just 6 runs in the SL Test-1 first innings. But he stayed there for 50 balls (75 Minutes!)and made a 65 runs partnarship with Ashraful stopping collapse and making some solid contribution in the 1st innings of Bd. He might have scored just 6 runs... but the effect of his support to Ash was far more vital than that. If someone fails to see the value of this sort of an innings.. then I have not words left to open his/her eyes.



Edited on, March 3, 2006, 1:43 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

Mohiul
March 3, 2006, 08:29 AM
I think Rahim should be given chance for once to see how he copes with this type condition. Even he does well in this chance Pilot should be kept.

thebest
March 3, 2006, 08:36 AM
Why we are so trigger happy. I am one of the staunch suppoerter of Mushy in Bangladesh Team now as a batsman. but I do not want him to keep wicket for rafiq, Mash, rajib. So to those who want Mussy for Pilot :down:

Fazal
March 3, 2006, 08:39 AM
We may see Rahim (or who ever they consider as 2nd wicket keeper) in action sooner than we are prepared to accept it. It doesn't mean its a parmanenet replacement, its more in the line of grooming another wicketkeeper with some exposure incase we need to use him in WC for any reason.

If this doesn't happen in next TEST, it is most likely going to happen against Kenya ODI or AUS series.


Bangladesh should learn to give rest to key players once in a while and groom other reserve players with some exposure... may be not as much as other Nations, but there should a rotation policy. This will do the following:

1. Keep the players fresh

2. Players will be keen to perform whenever they are playing

3. Give realization to star players... nothing is permanent, even they need to perform when they play.

4. Give experience and exposure to reserve players and upcoming young players. Now this players can be elite from u-19, team=A, doemstic league performers, I don't want to go to that debate now. Its a seperate debate.

5. Therefore it will create a bigger pool of selectabl;e players for major tournament and we will have a better plan B

I am not saying drastic changes after each games, all I am saying we need to think about rotating our players (including star players) regardless how little rotation it is.

Therefore as I am thinking more, I wouldn't be surprised or shocked if I see Pilot is rested in favor of Mushfiq (or who ever they decide is the 2nd wicket keper in line) in one of those games in future.

That doesn't mean it's end of Pilot's career, or his palce is in immidiate danger, but its called preparation for the future.

I hope I didn't offend any Pilot fans with my comment and termed tagged as one of those stupid posters. . Actually, I don't care. I would rather speak what I think rather than fear of intimidation..... :P

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 1:50 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2006, 09:21 AM
In my book Pilot did his job. He didn't score much but in both innings he had 50+ partnership. In test cricket partnership and staying at the crease is the main thing. Not come in and clobber 4 fours and get out slogging. The only other batsman having 50+ in both innings was S Nafees. There is no reason of changing Pilot. He is doing the best job. Mushfiq is still under training. he is getting valuable information just by watching. So Pilot stays as a WK.

Mushfiq has all the skills to bat in Test. He may rightfully claim his WK position in near future. but for him to be in the 2nd test, he should replace selector favorite the luckiest of all "Alok".

nemo
March 3, 2006, 09:52 AM
The rotation policy sounds good. i may be wrong but rahims test debut might be politically motivated just like Bogra getting priority while venues in Dhaka are being deliberately kept unfinished. the foreign media was impressed because Rahim acted more mature then a mere 16 year old. It seems that in a year this 16 year old has turned to be nearly 19. Same like Sakib a prodigy at 16 who now defying all mathematical logic is in a year.nearly 19. i think we should judge these U-19 players according to their performance in the tournament and the domestic league.

sensible
March 3, 2006, 10:00 AM
I don't think replacing Pilot is a good idea. We need his his experience. Also he did well. May be not in terms of runs scored, but in terms of staying at the crease he did excellent. We have to remember that he is no Adam Gilchrist or Rahul Dradiv or Moin Khan.

Mushfiq should come in the team as a batsman. Our weekness in batting is clear, specially in the second innings. I don't know how we can improve the performence of top order batting. May be it's time for "Kobiraji Botika!", specially for Bashar....He is becoming Mr. 30 now......

rudro
March 3, 2006, 10:28 AM
Pilot is the best wicketkeeper in Asia.
Pilot contributes to our batting by providing useful partnership.

That said, this is the best time for him to exit (when he is at his top with wicketkeeping but his batting is not in its best). This would give the team the opportunity to bring in new blood. I do not want pilot to exit in the 'Ganguly' fashion.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 10:37 AM
giving exposure to new kids like mushfiq is a good idea... but I don't htink they will do it now... yeah mushfiq can come into the team as a batsman and rightly so.... but i think they should give him a chance to keep one of the odis against kenya... he is very young and to ask him to bat and keep in a test match will be too much for him..... personally i m happy with pilots performance this test and I think he did a pretty good job with the bat..... :up:

sar2005
March 3, 2006, 10:56 AM
Did not whatmore say that Pilot is one of the best WK in Asia? Alright, many of us have now already forgotten that Golla and Pilot are the two proven test players in BD with test kind of tempertment.

Rahim will difinitely come into the team sooner or later. But please..... please do not try to repeat denying experience what we did once against Akram and Bulbul. A teast team really need a mixture of young and experienced as long as the experineced are performing. Looking into the stat, pilot is still better than many of our top order batsmen.

yaseer
March 3, 2006, 11:32 AM
Fans who want to Rahim to replace pilot, knows nothing about cricket, sorry to say but it is the fact. It is so immature thinking that i dont want to go deep into this.

Just remember, Rahim is scoring against 18 year old teen-agers and u guys are thinking he is going to score in the same way against the seniors?? Rubish thinking......

Kothai ache na "Dat thakte Manus dater morjada bujhe na"
Test status pawar pore wicket keeping e ek matro jaiga jeta niye amader kokhono bhabte hoi nai.....ekhon ekta promising youngstar, teen-ager der sathe khele kichu run korse bole pailot ke replace kore mathai notun jhamela nite iccha kortese plus ekta bhalo future cricketer ke nosto korar chinta kora hoitese.

Rahim should not have in the 15 in the first place....he is a talent and he should play for "A" teams and tour different countries for another 1 and half year.....then he should be tried in the senior team.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 4:33 PM GMT, by yaseer.

pagol-chagol
March 3, 2006, 11:38 AM
Faruq was in Srilanka with the U-19 team and was totally impressed by Rahim's batting.

I don't think he was in the 15 to take Pilot's place.

Pilot is in the stratosphere and until his skills visibly decline his experience is too irreplacable to take him out of the team.

Rahim can crack the line up as a batsman though.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 11:41 AM
Pilot stays atleast till the end of world cup..... no question about it.... maybe the selectors can give him a match off here and there to keep him fresh and then we can use rahim as the wicket keeper but I am pretty sure he came into the team as a specialist batsman for now.....

Mahmood
March 3, 2006, 11:46 AM
What is the point playing a player who is clearly out of form? Pilot is one of my most favorite player, but he is totally out of form now, and I would rather give him a break rather than totally distroying his confidence by continuing to play him, at the same time hurt team performence.

We fans should put team first than chosen players.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Mahmood
What is the point playing a player who is clearly out of form? Pilot is one of my most favorite player, but he is totally out of form now, and I would rather give him a break rather than totally distroying his confidence by continuing to play him, at the same time hurt team performence.

We fans should put team first than chosen players.

why do you think he is totally out of form? If you mean his keeping, you should see the catch he took in the first innings.... battingwise, in both innings he formed valuable partnership..... first innings he was with ash while in the second innings, he had a good partnership with shahriar nafees and then he was given out when he wasn't..... scorecard doesn't say the whole story all the time and this test is a perfect example of that

reyme
March 3, 2006, 12:44 PM
Thirdly, Pilot scored just 6 runs in the SL Test-1 first innings. But he stayed there for 50 balls (75 Minutes!)and made a 65 runs partnarship with Ashraful stopping collapse and making some solid contribution in the 1st innings of Bd. He might have scored just 6 runs... but the effect of his support to Ash was far more vital than that. If someone fails to see the value of this sort of an innings.. then I have not words left to open his/her eyes.


Good point and very well said!!! It is Pilot who has been consistently stopping the middle order collapse after a sudden top order collapse. His keeping is superior than Rahim's and he is perhaps the best keeper in ASIA. So please give him a break.

I think it is little premature (age wise) to bring Rahim in, but if needed right away he can and should replace a batsman. I personally think he is more matured than some of our talented bastman who dont want to understand the value of their wicket.

As far as rotation is concerned, it is A team where we should do the experiment. Not in the national team please! There is a reason why we play practice macthes, thats the place where selectors should do their experiment. Dont ruin the national team by making it a chemistry laboratoty room.

Cricket46
March 3, 2006, 12:50 PM
Most people here agree that Mushfiq is being considered mainly because of his batting abilities. Pilot is certainly not in best batting form, but his wicketkeeping is superior enough to still hold on to that position for a while. Though it is not very relevant right now, if I were one of the selectors, I would try Mushfiq as a keeper in an ODI. The risk is smaller. If he dose not fare well then we know that he has to wait a while to be the #1 keeper. On the other hand if he has a good game, then it should make Pilot doubly determined to keep his place. And that is good for the team.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Cricket46
Most people here agree that Mushfiq is being considered mainly because of his batting abilities. Pilot is certainly not in best batting form, but his wicketkeeping is superior enough to still hold on to that position for a while. Though it is not very relevant right now, if I were one of the selectors, I would try Mushfiq as a keeper in an ODI. The risk is smaller. If he dose not fare well then we know that he has to wait a while to be the #1 keeper. On the other hand if he has a good game, then it should make Pilot doubly determined to keep his place. And that is good for the team.

yeah i agree

ASA
March 3, 2006, 01:00 PM
I say, why not bring Mushfiq in just as a specialist batsman in the middle order for one or two matches with Kenya and see how he performs. He is still young and should not be brought into the team in a hurry - but if the selectors are so impressed, they can give him a chance for 1-2 innings.

Clearly, Pilot has been an extremely valuable WK - and there's no point trying to replace him for that. He also serves as our collapse safety net for most occasions. Leaving him out would be quite a danger, I would say. He may not have scored a lot of runs in the test, but think who would you send to bat when the top order collapsed both times ...

Mahmood
March 3, 2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by sadi
Originally posted by Mahmood
What is the point playing a player who is clearly out of form? Pilot is one of my most favorite player, but he is totally out of form now, and I would rather give him a break rather than totally distroying his confidence by continuing to play him, at the same time hurt team performence.

We fans should put team first than chosen players.

why do you think he is totally out of form? If you mean his keeping, you should see the catch he took in the first innings.... battingwise, in both innings he formed valuable partnership..... first innings he was with ash while in the second innings, he had a good partnership with shahriar nafees and then he was given out when he wasn't..... scorecard doesn't say the whole story all the time and this test is a perfect example of that

A wicket keeper can not be in the natinal team just based on the wicket keeping ability, batting is a must.

Pliot's Performence
ODI 1 - 0 (0 Catch)
ODI 2 - 2* (3 Catches)
ODI 3 - 19* (0 Catches)

Test 1 Innings 1 - 6 (1 Catch)
Test 1 Innings 2 - 15 (0 catch)

4 catches in 5 innings, with batting average 14. If thats an inform performence to you, I have no argument.

Ejaj
March 3, 2006, 01:10 PM
Rahim should come in place of Alok or Nafees Iqbal or Jo. To me thats the only way he can come to team. We have not produced another pilot yet and thats why his exclusion is totally an absurd idea to me. chao

sadi
March 3, 2006, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by Mahmood


A wicket keeper can not be in the natinal team just based on the wicket keeping ability, batting is a must.

Pliot's Performence
ODI 1 - 0 (0 Catch)
ODI 2 - 2* (3 Catches)
ODI 3 - 19* (0 Catches)

Test 1 Innings 1 - 6 (1 Catch)
Test 1 Innings 2 - 15 (0 catch)

4 catches in 5 innings, with batting average 14. If thats an inform performence to you, I have no argument.

Told you before... scorecard can be really misleading sometimes... in these two test innings, he prevents two middle order collapse and that was very important....

If you think we should just bring musfiq stright into the test team as a wk, I have nothing to say....... this kid is too young.... getting the chance as a batsman is one thing... but to keep wicket and bat at the same time is not easy and it will be too much to ask from a 17 year old....

Look at NZ or Srilanka... when they found a new wk batsman they gave them chance as a batsman first to get used to the enviornment and international cricket before giving them the keeping job...... ex sangakara, McCallum

Mahmood
March 3, 2006, 04:11 PM
We let him play test already, didnt we? Its too late to decide if he should play test or not.

If he cant keep wicket and bat at the same time, what is he doing in the national team!!!

The question is not if we should let Mushfiq play test or not (He is already a test player), the question here is, Pilot is out of form, what are our options to replace out of form palyer to make the team do play better in the second test. If we have a wicket keeper batsman in the team, logical course of action should be to play him.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Mahmood
We let him play test already, didnt we? Its too late to decide if he should play test or not.


so you are saying just because Musfiq played a test match, we have to play him from now on?? Just because selectors gave him a chance earlier than supposed to, there is no turning back? Ofcourse he can go back to domestic cricket and get himself ready before come back to national team.

Look the point is, I also want Musfiq to play but not instead of pilot. He is still the best wicketkeeper in the country and you can gamble in the odis with a makeshift wk or a batting wk, but test is a different ballgame. Here wicketkeeper is a specialist position and the best should get hte chance to play. I am not saying musfiq is bad wicketkeeper but Pilot is much better.



If he cant keep wicket and bat at the same time, what is he doing in the national team!!!




He can still bat better than some of our specialist batsman and thats why he is in the team. Why did he play in the lords test match?

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2006, 04:35 PM
You can look at the stats in a different way.
Originally posted by Mahmood
A wicket keeper can not be in the natinal team just based on the wicket keeping ability, batting is a must.

Pliot's Performence
ODI 1 - 0 (0 Catch)
ODI 2 - 2* (3 Catches)
ODI 3 - 19* (0 Catches)

Test 1 Innings 1 - 6 (1 Catch)
Test 1 Innings 2 - 15 (0 catch)

4 catches in 5 innings, with batting average 14. If thats an inform performence to you, I have no argument.
ODI Average vs SL:
Ash 39.6
JO 33 (2 matches)
Aftab 26.5
Rana 23 (1 match)
K Mashud 21.

I do not see our captain above K Mashud. Nor is Shariar Nafees. So he is more in-form than Bashar and SN . Would you care for a replacement on those two positions just considering the stats?

In the 1st test K Mashud had two 50+ partnership. Bashar had only one. Would you care for a replacement for our captain shaheb? Mushfiq has good captaincy skills :) too. May be better than Bashar bhai. How about change Bashar and get mushfiq as our captain.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 9:39 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.

Fazal
March 3, 2006, 04:38 PM
Sorry to jump into the conversation. Its not related to pilot though more about Mushiq.


Originally posted by sadi
so you are saying just because Musfiq played a test match, we have to play him from now on?? Just because selectors gave him a chance earlier than supposed to, there is no turning back? Ofcourse he can go back to domestic cricket and get himself ready before come back to national team.


I also think as Musfiq already played Test match and he didn't embarrasses anyone and played great in u-19, we have to play him from now on. Decision to play him was already taken by the selector whether you like it or not. I don't think there is there is no turning back without giving him more chance to see how he does. Otherwise it will be more damaging for him. He have done nothing bad to now send him back domestic cricket for future consideration. Every entry and exit (of a player) to the national team should have a clear reason, vague reason will do more harm than good.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 05:43 PM
Originally posted by Fazal

I also think as Musfiq already played Test match and he didn't embarrasses anyone and played great in u-19, we have to play him from now on. Decision to play him was already taken by the selector whether you like it or not. I don't think there is there is no turning back without giving him more chance to see how he does. Otherwise it will be more damaging for him. He have done nothing bad to now send him back domestic cricket for future consideration. Every entry and exit (of a player) to the national team should have a clear reason, vague reason will do more harm than good.

I agree with you. I want him to play the second test also. I am just against him keeping the test match just yet. We still haven't made that decision yet and we shouldn't be worrying about it for a while.

Dhurr
March 3, 2006, 05:46 PM
bhai re, pichchi re tokhon chance disilo karon onno kono option chilo na. people were hurt, from what i can recall. they HAD TO take him. now, people aren't hurt. mashud's doing fine. stop doing your analysis based solely on numbers. did you guys see mashud's grit in the test match? he was the only player who formed a fifty-plus partnership in both innings. in the second innings, that was the only fifty-run partnership. i know you love the POTENTIAL that pichchi has, but don't rush him into the side and make another alok or hannan out of him. please.

Bat-PadTogether
March 3, 2006, 07:42 PM
I think Rahim should be in the team in Bogra.We dont need to drop Pilot.Rahim can play ahead of Kapali.

Rabz
March 4, 2006, 12:38 AM
i cant undestand how can u guys even talk of dropping pilot out of the team ?

that guys has been one of the most consistent, a true fighter and a backbone of this team for almost a decade now.

And PLEASE dont show me the stats, seen it all before, of pilots and all other players....hardly means anything to me these days, esp when we talkin bout BD team.

If only stats would speak for itself, a whole new (and old) issues comes up for discussion.

I have no objection of inducing Mushfiq in the team, but as a spealist batsmen, not as a Pilot subsitute.

How do u know that the kid is fit enough to keep in a 5 day period at a international level ??

Honestly, i really oppose the action of changign players after every game.

I'd rather say keep this same team in the second test. Just make sure Habib makes a good use of Kapali and hope he bats reasonable well.

syedmahm
March 4, 2006, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Originally posted by roi
When does Pilot score any 50+ innings last time?
:E
You can ask that question to any batsmen in the team and 90% of the times you will get equal unsatisfactory answers! ;)

BTW.... I must mention one thing here... that Replacing Pilot and including Rahim in the team are not really complimentary issues at all. Rahim will probably deserve a spot in the team simply with his batting within few days. Here are my observations: .....
Fans who want Rahim to replace Pilot mostly fall under these categories:

1) Fans who does not really like Pilot
2) Fans who like Rahim too much and thinks that Pilot is the reason for which Rahim can't get into the team
3) Fans who are in the group of "cut the old haggards and input fresh teen-age blood in the team"
4) Fans who do not really bother to wait for the step-by-step procedure which any age-group player should go through before entering the National side.

I must mention some of my own observation on this issue here:

Firstly, direct input of Ashraful, Aftab, Nafis Iqbal from the U-19 side to the National squad has not really turned out to be a considerable success. They are now settled (some still not) after fair bit of struggle scoring around 20 runs matches after matches. It's not like they did not have talent, it's just that they were forced to jump from the age group into the National side prematurely.

Secondly, it really scares me a lot to imagine that tiny mushfiq with his u-19 experience is standing behind the stumps having a hard time coping with International level keeping experience without having any transitional period in A-teams etc... pheeww!! He really needs more time to get to that level !! Giv him that breathing space if you don't want to spoil his career and trash him like we did to many players already.

Thirdly, Pilot scored just 6 runs in the SL Test-1 first innings. But he stayed there for 50 balls (75 Minutes!)and made a 65 runs partnarship with Ashraful stopping collapse and making some solid contribution in the 1st innings of Bd. He might have scored just 6 runs... but the effect of his support to Ash was far more vital than that. If someone fails to see the value of this sort of an innings.. then I have not words left to open his/her eyes.



Edited on, March 3, 2006, 1:43 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.



Thank you Ahmed_B for your exciting analysis and comments. Completely agree. I dont think there is anything somebody need to add.

BanglaCool
March 4, 2006, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
You can look at the stats in a different way.
Originally posted by Mahmood
A wicket keeper can not be in the natinal team just based on the wicket keeping ability, batting is a must.


ODI Average vs SL:
Ash 39.6
JO 33 (2 matches)
Aftab 26.5
Rana 23 (1 match)
K Mashud 21.

I do not see our captain above K Mashud. Nor is Shariar Nafees. So he is more in-form than Bashar and SN . Would you care for a replacement on those two positions just considering the stats?

In the 1st test K Mashud had two 50+ partnership. Bashar had only one. Would you care for a replacement for our captain shaheb? Mushfiq has good captaincy skills :) too. May be better than Bashar bhai. How about change Bashar and get mushfiq as our captain.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 9:39 PM GMT, by Cats_eye.
If you remember the remarks of Sanjay Manjrekar in the last colombo test between SL and BD, he pointed out the fallacy of pilot's high-looking average. The reason, as he pointed out, is that pilot comes in number 7 in an already lost situation where his only goal is to protect one end and not score runs. In the end, pilot survives enough balls but the game is lost (the only different occasion was in WI when pilot and rafik made centuries for draw).
So, while pilot's contribution is undeniable, we cannot elevate it to the standards of our top order batsmen. He has a weak technique to fast bowling but he is good against spin.

Regarding the inclusion of Rahim, I also support the idea that he is included in place of another failing batsman because:
a) to allow him to settle and find a place in the national team and score good runs and gain confidence.
b) to allow him to comingle with the team and learn about different bowlers and their strengths.
c) pilot is still the best Wk to play on the side and at the same time an inspiration for the whole team behind the stumps, a crucial role, that may not be filled by Rahim just yet.
d) it sends pilot a strong message to wake up from his poor keeping and batting form that he is currently suffering.

cricketboy
March 4, 2006, 03:04 AM
Never. Bring Aftab in instead of Kapali. Mushfique is young, his time will come. :cool2:

CricTiger
March 4, 2006, 10:53 AM
Dropping Pilot from test will not be a good idea at all. Although he did not score runs in the first test but he stayed there for a long time and contributed some partnership. Why people want to drop him because of Rahim? This is funny. If we really want to play Rahim then Alok has to go.

Also PILOT is the Vice Captain of the team. We do not want to create a chaos in the dressing room by dropping him. The team SPRIT will be effected there too.

BD Tigers
March 4, 2006, 12:40 PM
Dropping Pilot :yawn:

I thought someone said that he is best wk in South Asia. Why do u think he's not in form? The 2 partnerships he did in the last test was great. If he can do that consistently than I am fine.

Mushfiq's chance will come but I dont see him in the 2nd test either. Aftab will replace Alok for sure unless Selectors make SN open again and then have Aftab & Mushfiq replace Alok & NI. Hell I might even prefer this.

Dhakablues
March 4, 2006, 12:48 PM
He is not going to be dropped unless the entire Bangladesh team is dropped from Test arena. Bashar/Mashrafi/Aftab/Alok/Taposh will come and go,, but Mashud wont... he has been the only player that has been the 'wall' for Bangladesh. For him, Anwar, Saghir, Selim all had to give up their hope as Mashud never underperformed, never let the team down. ...

Flipper
March 4, 2006, 01:00 PM
Pilot is far superior with gloves than anybody in the country, end of story!

In the future, it will be Dhiman, and Rahim fighting for the best keeper's place. Though Rahim has the edge with the bat, and is capable of replacing a top order batsman, even now. Dhiman as a batsman is not bad either.

Niceman70
March 4, 2006, 01:01 PM
we should have 11 pilots, play complete one day and score 6 * 11 = 66 runs. Next thing we know any test team will finish the innings in 60 mins. We need more pilots because they will occupy the crease!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is no difference between some bengaliz and red necks.

ASA
March 4, 2006, 01:37 PM
Originally posted by Niceman70
we should have 11 pilots, play complete one day and score 6 * 11 = 66 runs. Next thing we know any test team will finish the innings in 60 mins. We need more pilots because they will occupy the crease!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is no difference between some bengaliz and red necks.
Ignorant and childish statement. What if I say Pilot can also produce a 103* ... (which by the way, gave us the only draw against a strong team). Don't judge by one game. Also try to notice how the player contributes to the overall game, not just one part of the performance. As someone else in the forum mentioned earlier - we have to stop talking about changing the team after every match.

Edited on, March 4, 2006, 6:38 PM GMT, by ASA.

Sovik
March 8, 2006, 08:01 AM
pilot is still doing a great job with bat and gloves. and i think rahim should be given more time. as we all saw rahim failed but his foot work and technique was solid.

ialbd
March 8, 2006, 08:48 AM
Rahim will sub Pilot eventually but not yet.....

I think among all the test playing nations (maybe except Zim), its the easiest to get picked in the national side in BD (and also the easiest to get dropped)
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sar2005
March 8, 2006, 09:51 AM
Why to hurry?? this guy is just 17+.
I must say we need to groom him in a proper way. By putting him so early in national side, there will be nothing but a repeatition of Rokun, Hannan. Make him to play in A team for 1 more year or two.

Also, how do you expect rahim to keep wicket against rafiq and murtuza co. without knowing much them. It will need some time. We must need pilot to be there till 2007 world cup. He is the best, though it's true that he is not getting runs for a while.

Flipper
March 8, 2006, 11:10 AM
Sar 2005, mate, make up your mind. I know posting is fun, but why make fun of yourself!

In one thread, you say play Mushfique, and then in another you say don't play him. What is going on?

zakirc
March 8, 2006, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by Ahmed_B
Originally posted by roi
When does Pilot score any 50+ innings last time?
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You can ask that question to any batsmen in the team and 90% of the times you will get equal unsatisfactory answers! ;)

BTW.... I must mention one thing here... that Replacing Pilot and including Rahim in the team are not really complimentary issues at all. Rahim will probably deserve a spot in the team simply with his batting within few days. Here are my observations: .....
Fans who want Rahim to replace Pilot mostly fall under these categories:

1) Fans who does not really like Pilot
2) Fans who like Rahim too much and thinks that Pilot is the reason for which Rahim can't get into the team
3) Fans who are in the group of "cut the old haggards and input fresh teen-age blood in the team"
4) Fans who do not really bother to wait for the step-by-step procedure which any age-group player should go through before entering the National side.

I must mention some of my own observation on this issue here:

Firstly, direct input of Ashraful, Aftab, Nafis Iqbal from the U-19 side to the National squad has not really turned out to be a considerable success. They are now settled (some still not) after fair bit of struggle scoring around 20 runs matches after matches. It's not like they did not have talent, it's just that they were forced to jump from the age group into the National side prematurely.

Secondly, it really scares me a lot to imagine that tiny mushfiq with his u-19 experience is standing behind the stumps having a hard time coping with International level keeping experience without having any transitional period in A-teams etc... pheeww!! He really needs more time to get to that level !! Giv him that breathing space if you don't want to spoil his career and trash him like we did to many players already.

Thirdly, Pilot scored just 6 runs in the SL Test-1 first innings. But he stayed there for 50 balls (75 Minutes!)and made a 65 runs partnarship with Ashraful stopping collapse and making some solid contribution in the 1st innings of Bd. He might have scored just 6 runs... but the effect of his support to Ash was far more vital than that. If someone fails to see the value of this sort of an innings.. then I have not words left to open his/her eyes.



Edited on, March 3, 2006, 1:43 PM GMT, by Ahmed_B.

Amen

Finally some realistic analysis about Rahim & Pilot.:bravo:

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by Flipper
Sar 2005, mate, make up your mind. I know posting is fun, but why make fun of yourself!

In one thread, you say play Mushfique, and then in another you say don't play him. What is going on?

Thanks dude for pointing this. If you read my all comments in that thread, I tried to say to give Mushfiq and Mehrab Jr. chance to play against weaker teams e.g. KEN, ZIM and let them to play in A team. Also that was a thread just inviting everyone's thought.

Haa, probably this frustrating batting show is also playing with my mind. Sorry!! In the process, if you get some fun, enjoy. Of course we all are here just for fun.