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Spitfire_x86
March 3, 2006, 04:12 AM
Our current options:

Javed Omar: Not international class by any means. Sooner or later he has to go. Although he generates a (false) sense of security in the fans' mind, he's actually one of the most unreliable batsman in the history of test cricket. S. Rajesh's article about Ashraful's inconsistency reveals that he has the fifth highest % of below 20 scores (Link (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/239379.html)). Unlike Ashraful, he doesn't have the ability to play occasional extraordinary innings.

Nafees Iqbal: He showed obvious signs of technical improvement in the 1st test. But the way he got himself out in both inningses should tempt many to drop him from the playing XI of 2nd test. I think he can be given another chance in the 2nd test, since he batted pretty well before getting out. We will also see whether he learns from his double mistakes or not.

Shahriar Nafees: Many people don't think that he's technically good enough to be a test opener. Moreover, he played the spinners quite well in both inningses of the 1st test. So it might be a good idea to leave him there, at least for the next test. Personally I think Ashraful should bat at #4, so he should come at #5.

We should think seriously about making Aftab test opener. He's a good player of fast bowling, and probably handles pace better than spin. Some aggressive middle order batsman have successfully converted themselves as Test opener in contemporary cricket (Sehwag and Gibbs for example). Some fans may not like the idea, since we failed in a similiar experiment in past with Rokon. But there is difference betweeen Rokon and Aftab. He is a much better batsman than Rokon. With Shahriar Nafees in the middle order, Mushfiq Rahim in the sideline and some prospects from U-19 waiting to get chance, there is not many position left in the middle order anyway.

If this experiment gives positive result, then we may have a long term solution for opening.

obernell
March 3, 2006, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Our current options:

Javed Omar: Not international class by any means. Sooner or later he has to go. Although he generates a (false) sense of security in the fans' mind, he's actually one of the most unreliable batsman in the history of test cricket. S. Rajesh's article about Ashraful's inconsistency reveals that he has the fifth highest % of below 20 scores (Link (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/239379.html)). Unlike Ashraful, he doesn't have the ability to play occasional extraordinary innings.

Nafees Iqbal: He showed obvious signs of technical improvement in the 1st test. But the way he got himself out in both inningses should tempt many to drop him from the playing XI of 2nd test. I think he can be given another chance in the 2nd test, since he batted pretty well before getting out. We will also see whether he learns from his double mistakes or not.

Shahriar Nafees: Many people don't think that he's technically good enough to be a test opener. Moreover, he played the spinners quite well in both inningses of the 1st test. So it might be a good idea to leave him there, at least for the next test. Personally I think Ashraful should bat at #4, so he should come at #5.

We should think seriously about making Aftab test opener. He's a good player of fast bowling, and probably handles pace better than spin. Some aggressive middle order batsman have successfully converted themselves as Test opener in contemporary cricket (Sehwag and Gibbs for example). Some fans may not like the idea, since we failed in a similiar experiment in past with Rokon. But there is difference betweeen Rokon and Aftab. He is a much better batsman than Rokon. With Shahriar Nafees in the middle order, Mushfiq Rahim in the sideline and some prospects from U-19 waiting to get chance, there is not many position left in the middle order anyway.

If this experiment gives positive result, then we may have a long term solution for opening.

javed omer, the the most unreliable batsman in the history of test cricket, as you call it has a test average of 23 with one century and six half centuries, which is good enough to secure his place in our test team for quite some time in future.

Javed and nafis iqbal are fine as openers. I would include aftab in our test team, but definitely not as an opener. He should bat as a 4th down batsman after ash/nafees.

This should be the batting line up:

-omer
-iqbal
-bashar
-ash (hoping bashar and ash will pair up)
-nafees
-aftab
-Pilot/Rahim

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 9:38 AM GMT, by obernell.

roi
March 3, 2006, 04:49 AM
No way...aftab is good at No.6 position.

abherath
March 3, 2006, 04:53 AM
I think Aftab is not reliable enough to open batting.

Javed may not get big scores but he lasts a good number of balls allowing others to score and also taking the shine off the ball. Javed is also technically correct, though, unfortunately, that does not bring him big scores.

Nafees Iqbal too is talented and is capable of creating headaches to the opposition looking for quick wickets.

So until Bangladesh can find somebody who will not throw away his wicket in a hurry, Javed and Iqbal sould remain.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 9:54 AM GMT, by abherath.

PoorFan
March 3, 2006, 05:00 AM
We should think seriously NOT to shuffle the team every now and then. If we find better opener than JO, NI, SN then we should replace one or both of them. Until then NO more experiment, we had it enough.

Bring Aftab in ( if he is fully fit for playing test in this series ) in place of Alok, that will be fine. 5th or 6th position is best for Aftab in my opinion ( both ODI and test ).

None of our players are up to THAT level ( mentally and technically ), to be compared to other teams example.

Ahmed_B
March 3, 2006, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by PoorFan
We should think seriously NOT to shuffle the team every now and then.
I do agree with you very much on this.

Unfortunately.... many fans and even BC members prefers changing the team after every match. Sometimes I feel that they would suggest a change in the team every innings if they had that option! These fans strongly believe that a player should prove the justification of letting him play in just one chance.. otherwise his head should be chopped off! :P

thebest
March 3, 2006, 08:40 AM
Spitfire I always thought of you as one of the sensible and logical guy of this board. But what you suggesting is crazy. His ideal place is no 6. There he could handle pacers better and also could sheperd tail in cool head.

Fazal
March 3, 2006, 08:55 AM
I dont' like it. Don't Kill Aftab's career prematurely.


We should stop changing batting orders for young players or new player so ofen. They are already in lot of pressure to perform and prove their inclusion, now you start changing their batting order .... its bad real bad .... and really unfair to the young players like Aftab.

The experienced players should be rotated (i.e. batting order) for team's need not the young players.

Edited on, March 3, 2006, 1:56 PM GMT, by Fazal.

Mohiul
March 3, 2006, 09:04 AM
Aftab opener? lol

Mohiul
March 3, 2006, 09:08 AM
Aftab? Udbodhoni Batsman? Kamne?

Spitfire_x86
March 3, 2006, 09:19 AM
I know it's a crazy idea, but just wanted to find out what others think about it. It may kill his test career, but also may help to remove the selectors' imposed "ODI specialist" tag permanently. It might be a safer gamble in future, when Aftab makes his place in the test team permanent. Future openers (U-19 players like Tamim) haven't been very convincing in their level either. So our problem with opening isn't going away soon.

Faruk & Co. have been making many unusual decisions lately. Who knows, this idea may attract them!

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2006, 09:32 AM
Spitfire bhai,
apney ki test na 20/20 kotha bolchen?

20/20 tey ami apnar shatey experiment kortey raji asi. Test'a well Faruk said best.

pagol-chagol
March 3, 2006, 10:57 AM
Its much easier to find an opener than to find a late order finisher batsman with the nerveless killer instinct of an assassin, specially in Bangladeshi gene pool. Think about all those games he has finished when most other batsman would have peed in their pants(figuratively).

I would much rather try Mashrafee as a spinner. At least he would get less injured.

sadi
March 3, 2006, 10:59 AM
I don't think its a good idea... just because we don't have any good openers doesn't mean that we will send one of our better middle order batsman up to open.... test openers don't need to be that aggresive and their main job is to see off the new ball.... aftab is quite good down the order since he can play with the tailenders and he has big shots.....

sar2005
March 3, 2006, 11:00 AM
Alright, he will be the opening batsman for the 2nd new ball of BD innings ;)

pagol-chagol
March 3, 2006, 11:15 AM
Spitfire - all your other ideas are better than this.

BanCricFan
March 3, 2006, 12:01 PM
Don't worry guyz, insha allah, we will have a test opener of class within a year or two.....GR...Golam Rahman!... Tamim, if he can slow down and adjust his game for longer version, Nazmus Sadat and even Mehrab jr can be turned into an accomplished opener!

The future is bright.

oracle
March 3, 2006, 12:09 PM
The batting line up should be the same. No change at all.

Dhakablues
March 3, 2006, 12:13 PM
There is another thread for this one,, but dont ban for saying this... Nafis needs to go. If you saw how he got out,, it would make you have a 30 sec. silence...

If you also saw Watmore's interview with Sashtri, he clearly says that Aftab needs to show more responsiblity to be on the test team. But he is too talented to be outside the test team.... both I totally agree but the question also becomes,, other than Mashud, do we really have any responsiblie test cricketer in the squad?

Ejaj
March 3, 2006, 12:19 PM
nah.. dont liek to see him in the opening. he is best at no 6. but.. yes. i demand his palce in the team.. get rid of alok plz. and.. either Jo or Nafees shoudl be changed with rahim............

pagol-chagol
March 3, 2006, 12:23 PM
Originally posted by Dhakablues
If you also saw Watmore's interview with Sashtri, he clearly says that Aftab needs to show more responsiblity to be on the test team. But he is too talented to be outside the test team.... both I totally agree but the question also becomes,, other than Mashud, do we really have any responsiblie test cricketer in the squad?

Interesting. Didn't know about Whatmore's comments. Thanks.

I hope they are doing this to wake him up. I hope it works.

I like Faruq's technique of punishments. This is the only tonic that helps Bangladeshi players. Praise = Poison.

Fazal
March 3, 2006, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol

I like Faruq's technique of punishments. This is the only tonic that helps Bangladeshi players. Praise = Poison.

Faruq's technique? As far as I know its was just a lab test with Aftab as the guinipig or test animal. Let him complete his lab test and publish his result with clear success rate. If its successful, then it will be patented. Then this techique need to be used uniformly ... only then it can be called Faruq's technique.

And finally if he use for one player and then don't use for another, then in reality it will be more like Faruq's Massacre than Faruq's technique.

gravitY
March 3, 2006, 05:18 PM
Originally posted by bdcricmad
Aftab opener? lol

ODI er jonno hoyto mana jete pare.. but Test e? No way...

Tigers_eye
March 3, 2006, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Fazal
And finally if he use for one player and then don't use for another, then in reality it will be more like Faruq's Massacre than Faruq's technique.
"Are you pointing at Al*k? His inclusion is justifed and he will become the next captain." --- Faruq

DJ Sahastra
March 3, 2006, 06:22 PM
Aftab as an opener is not a bad idea at all. Worth a try really. What is there to lose?

The best case - he might become a Shewag style opener!

Spitfire_x86
March 3, 2006, 06:53 PM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
Spitfire bhai,
apney ki test na 20/20 kotha bolchen?

20/20 tey ami apnar shatey experiment kortey raji asi. Test'a well Faruk said best.
I thought Test is a better place to experiment with Aftab, since he won't have to take pressure on himself to score in every few balls. He could hit few balls in a over for boundaries and leave an entire over alone, but he wouldn't be under any pressure.

CricTiger
March 3, 2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by bdcricmad

Aftab? Udbodhoni Batsman? Kamne?


Open another useless thread like this "Aftab is not for Openning " then you will know

Flipper
March 4, 2006, 10:13 AM
Although it sounds weired, somehow I like this idea when I think about shewag. Aftab did play at number 3 in ODIs, and his avg is better in that position. I wouldn't mind sending Aftab to open in an ODI instead of Javed. We need to do all sort of experiment keeping one eye in the WC.

With that being said, I also see Aftab as a good finisher of the game, and I see a Beven/Hussy in him. As far as his place in the team is concerned, it's just a matter of time, whether Alok plays or not.

CricTiger
March 4, 2006, 10:26 AM
Originally posted by Flipper
Although it sounds weired, somehow I like this idea when I think about shewag. Aftab did play at number 3 in ODIs, and his avg is better in that position. I wouldn't mind sending Aftab to open in an ODI instead of Javed. We need to do all sort of experiment keeping one eye in the WC.



I think some of us misread the thread by thinking that Aftab is asking to open in ODIs.

Actually this thread is for opening in the test not in ODIs.

Flipper
March 4, 2006, 10:42 AM
Well, if he comes out good in ODI, then why not in test, again Shewag as an example (not comparing these two by any means)!

Fortuner
March 4, 2006, 12:14 PM
Aftab's defence aint gud at all....we all noe it...

so..why making him an opener......now i noe ppl will say about...shewag..but shewag's an excpetion..i feel shewag got damn luck...coz every opening batsman needs to have a good defense and he doesnt have that..still..he..scores

Aftab doesnt have good defence which is a must for an opening batsman...

jst play him in the ODI's in the no. 6 postion.

BD Tigers
March 4, 2006, 12:22 PM
I wont say its a useless thread but we heard better idea than this. Aftab will be best at No 6. He's not a opener not even in ODI.

And JO is worst batsmen, dude u need to chill out. He gives you run when others not and even in ODIs.

Zobair
March 4, 2006, 12:22 PM
Mushfiqur Rahim is an option IMO. He has the technique and the temperament. But he should be tried only if he himself is convinced that he can make it as an opener.

CricTiger
March 4, 2006, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by Zobair
Mushfiqur Rahim is an option IMO. He has the technique and the temperament. But he should be tried only if he himself is convinced that he can make it as an opener.

Excellent idea and he should be partnered with JO for the test.:joy::great:

Spitfire_x86
March 4, 2006, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by Zobair
Mushfiqur Rahim is an option IMO. He has the technique and the temperament. But he should be tried only if he himself is convinced that he can make it as an opener.
Musfiq is our future wicketkeeper. It's hard for keepers to be successful Test opener. In contemporary cricket, only Alec Stewart was successful keeper/opener. Sometimes even he had to give up keeping or step down in batting order. Sangakara is doing well at both keeping and #3 position in batting order. But neither Alec Stewart nor Sangakara was converted to opener/top order batsman.

In longer version of cricket, #7 or #6 is the best position for a wicketkeeper batsman.

Ahmed_B
March 4, 2006, 01:03 PM
Disagree with Spitfire here..

Mushy is a genuin batsman... and he is a wicketkeeper in addition. And a genuin batsman, if feels comfortable, can surely play as an opener. But first he should be put in the team lower down the order to give him the time to fit in.

Zobair
March 4, 2006, 01:07 PM
Agreed. However Mushfiq is currently in the team as a batsman, and hence the suggestion. Once he takes over as Keeper, #5 or #6 will be an ideal position. 7 is too late in the order for a batsman of his quality, and given our resources we still don't have that luxury.

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Musfiq is our future wicketkeeper. It's hard for keepers to be successful Test opener. In contemporary cricket, only Alec Stewart was successful keeper/opener. Sometimes even he had to give up keeping or step down in batting order. Sangakara is doing well at both keeping and #3 position in batting order. But neither Alec Stewart nor Sangakara was converted to opener/top order batsman.

In longer version of cricket, #7 or #6 is the best position for a wicketkeeper batsman.

Spitfire_x86
March 4, 2006, 01:09 PM
(to Ahmed_B)

Since our bowling attack is not very strong, he may often have to keep for 1½ days. Opening the innings is not very easy after doing 1½ days of keeping.

Edited on, March 4, 2006, 6:09 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

Flipper
March 4, 2006, 01:10 PM
Well, Mushfique is definitely one of our future top bat. I would prefer him at #3. Nafis is a good opener minus some of his stupid shots. If Abir tighten up his defense a little more, and learn how to leave those ball outside the off stump, we are all set!

dash
March 4, 2006, 01:34 PM
aftab is not opening.

for god sake come up with something worth while

Raja
March 4, 2006, 02:20 PM
Well all Bangladeshi batsmen are more or less inconsistence. As we can see it from their avg. So we can't blame only one batsman. He also made some very good innings in test cricket. I don't think it's a very good idea to make Aftab as a openar. I played myself school cricket with Aftab in Ctg. He doesn't like leaving the ball away. He always try to play ball, which is very dangerous with new ball. But he is very good at no 5/6.