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istiak
March 8, 2006, 05:05 AM
Don’t you guys think Murali is really getting cheap wickets against Bangladesh as commented by Shane Warne?

It might hurt our feeling but stat is clearly showing its direction.

Your comments please….

Ak
March 8, 2006, 05:06 AM
Doesnt matter really - if you get Test wickets against a Test playing nation then it doesnt matter who its against.

istiak
March 8, 2006, 05:21 AM
Before this match His bowling against BD was

M W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
5 43 6/18 11.27 6 2 0


5/13 & 5/98 in SL 2001/02 at Colombo

5/39 & 5/59 in SL 2002 at Colombo

3/42 & 6/18 in SL 2005/06 at Colombo

3/47 & 2/28 in SL 2005/06 at Colombo

3/87 & 6/54 in BD 2005/06 at Chittagong

AND

5/78 today

So 48 wickets in 11 innings......

cricket_pagol
March 8, 2006, 06:24 AM
Nobody is stopping Shane warne from getting "cheap" test wickets against bangladesh. He should not be talking so much.

We will see how he performs against bangladesh!

Tigers_eye
March 8, 2006, 06:25 AM
Who cares? Warne would have his chance to get cheap wickets in coming months. When Murali will shatter his record to dust I'd be more than happy. Sour grapes for the "Oh, I didn't know. My Mom gave me those pills."

billah
March 8, 2006, 06:28 AM
Shane Warne, according to his stats, gets cheaper wickets, aside from all the snortings and gropings that Murali is never involved in...Murali is a class better.

battye
March 8, 2006, 06:56 AM
Originally posted by cricket_pagol
Nobody is stopping Shane warne from getting "cheap" test wickets against bangladesh. He should not be talking so much.

We will see how he performs against bangladesh!

From memory, Warne has only played Zimbabwe once (in 1999, and they had class players like the Flowers etc then too) and hasn't played Bangladesh yet.

Murali on the other hand has played against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh quite a lot.

Murali:

vs Zimbabwe 14 matches 87 wickets
vs Bangladesh 5 matches 43 wickets

130 of his 593 wickets have come from Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in 19 matches.

Warne:

vs Zimbabwe 1 match 6 wickets
vs Bangladesh 0 matches 0 wickets

6 of his 659 wickets have come from Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in 1 match.

Pretty big difference.

Edit: I understand that a lot of Murali's wickets against Zimbabwe would have also come when they were not in the strife they are now, but over the last 5 year I am sure he has cashed in on Zimbabwe too..

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 11:59 AM GMT, by battye.
Reason: Added sentence

hkooraham
March 8, 2006, 07:00 AM
Shane Warne needs to be excused. He's been out of cricket for long and as he's been in a bit of a rumpus off the field recently, his 'other' activities too are restricted, obviously.

So let him find something to say. Keep him occupied.

Looks like he's banned from playing Bangladesh, or if not, he will just roll his arm over, letting the Tigers hit sixes as he would value Tiger wickets.

abherath
March 8, 2006, 07:08 AM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
Who cares? Warne would have his chance to get cheap wickets in coming months. When Murali will shatter his record to dust I'd be more than happy. Sour grapes for the "Oh, I didn't know. My Mom gave me those pills."

Good one mate.

It is better to get cheap wickets than do cheap things off the field like Shane does.

As some have commented here, Bangladesh is a test playing country and the wickets Murali takes are test wickets.

You cannot sub-classify test playing nations for whatever reason. They have to be regarded and treated equally. This is where Boycott, Ponting, Shane Warne and a few others seem to have problems.

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 07:08 AM
Does not matter when someone gets 4/5 wickets in each innings. It counts the number of matches.

Alright if SW was playing a match against BD instead of WI, he could get the same number of wickets or one/two more.

e.g. Say in a match,

SW got 6 wickets against West Indies.
If he was playing against BD, he could also get 6 or 7

What's the difference.

A wciket in test cricket is alwasy test wicket. There is no class like Openers wicket, middle order's wicket, tail ends wicket, strong team's wicket or weak team's wicket. It silly when one says that word 'cheap wicket'.

Sovik
March 8, 2006, 08:16 AM
Speaking of cheap wickets.......English and south africans are the weakest against spin bowling and shane warne has played more test against them than murali. if murali could play 5 test match series against england in every 2 years he would have more wickets than warne

sadi
March 8, 2006, 09:13 AM
I read it somewhere... not sure where though... if you look at shane warne's stat, most of his wickets are the wickets of tailenders..... he is very good at wrapping up the innings.... usually mcgrath takes the top wickets and then warne comes and finishes it off... would you call them cheap wickets too??

I love warne's bowling.... no question about it.... but he shouldn't talk about Murali...... this guy is a genius

nayef
March 8, 2006, 10:19 AM
no matter how they get it, anyone with 400+ wkts in test cricket has shown sufficient amount of endurance, skill and guile to succeed. for murali and warne to still get wickets after the technology has disected their every deliveries is a great feat.

murali has played a lot of matches against india, pakis - who are reknowned for playing spin on dustbowls. anyone remember how shane warne did on a tour of india a few yrs back when sachin beat the crap out of him? so murali's cheap wickets come as a compliment with his big guns. surely sachin would beat kevin pietersen at playing spin on any given day!

fishyguy
March 8, 2006, 10:57 AM
Shane Warne is the greatest spin boweler ever and one the greatest bowlers ever.

Murali is Great but Shane is the Greatest.

Anyone who knows cricket and has watched him over the years knows that for a fact.

istiak
March 8, 2006, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by sovik
Speaking of cheap wickets.......English and south africans are the weakest against spin bowling and shane warne has played more test against them than murali. if murali could play 5 test match series against england in every 2 years he would have more wickets than warne

Are you sure they are weaker than BD or Zim??

Sovik
March 8, 2006, 12:36 PM
Murali's performance against england

10 tests 768.3overs 1431runs 69wickets

whereas shane warnes performance against england

31tests 1551.3 overs 3837 runs 172 wickets

murali against south africa

13 tests 821.4 overs 1914 runs 82 wickets

shane warne against south africa

21tests 1193.4 overs 2719 runs 115 wickets

so it seems england and south africa are bot weaker than zimbabwe and bangladesh but sure not the strongest against spin

Umar
March 8, 2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by abherath
Originally posted by Cats_eye
Who cares? Warne would have his chance to get cheap wickets in coming months. When Murali will shatter his record to dust I'd be more than happy. Sour grapes for the "Oh, I didn't know. My Mom gave me those pills."

Good one mate.

It is better to get cheap wickets than do cheap things off the field like Shane does.

As some have commented here, Bangladesh is a test playing country and the wickets Murali takes are test wickets.

You cannot sub-classify test playing nations for whatever reason. They have to be regarded and treated equally. This is where Boycott, Ponting, Shane Warne and a few others seem to have problems.

One mistake u made....remember...shane warne doesnt speak alot about Bangladesh as Boycott and ponting does. So at this stage he is ok. Its true that he lowered BDeshi batsmans by saying cheap wicket. but Its true ..that our batsmans are Cheap at one point. most of the Time they Gives their wicket away. Unlike any other Countries in the World.

Sauron
March 8, 2006, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by battye
Originally posted by cricket_pagol
Nobody is stopping Shane warne from getting "cheap" test wickets against bangladesh. He should not be talking so much.

We will see how he performs against bangladesh!

From memory, Warne has only played Zimbabwe once (in 1999, and they had class players like the Flowers etc then too) and hasn't played Bangladesh yet.

Murali on the other hand has played against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh quite a lot.

Murali:

vs Zimbabwe 14 matches 87 wickets
vs Bangladesh 5 matches 43 wickets

130 of his 593 wickets have come from Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in 19 matches.

Warne:

vs Zimbabwe 1 match 6 wickets
vs Bangladesh 0 matches 0 wickets

6 of his 659 wickets have come from Zimbabwe and Bangladesh in 1 match.

Pretty big difference.

Edit: I understand that a lot of Murali's wickets against Zimbabwe would have also come when they were not in the strife they are now, but over the last 5 year I am sure he has cashed in on Zimbabwe too..

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 11:59 AM GMT, by battye.
Reason: Added sentence

very logical analysis. :up:

I guess Warne is correct. As much as I dislike Warne, can't deny the facts.

nayan
March 8, 2006, 01:49 PM
bd will bat way better against s.warne. with all the respect to warne, murli is a better bowler. he gets a sharp turn and a odd bounce in any pitch. he is just something else. on the other hand warne is just a wrist spinner who have mastered the flight and veriation of leg spin better than anybody else in the world.
p.s:"sadi, i think someone is on his way to challenge that"

Sorry
March 8, 2006, 01:55 PM
yes, murali is a better spinner of the ball but shane warne is a better user of the head. i mean heads.

sadi
March 8, 2006, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by nayan
bd will bat way better against s.warne. with all the respect to warne, murli is a better bowler. he gets a sharp turn and a odd bounce in any pitch. he is just something else. on the other hand warne is just a wrist spinner who have mastered the flight and veriation of leg spin better than anybody else in the world.
p.s:"sadi, i think someone is on his way to challenge that"

who? Stuart Macgill? lol....

I don't think Murali is better than Warne... they are both equally good..... Murali has played most of the cricket in Srilanka where the pitch is tailormade for his kinda bowling... on the other hand, Warne had to bowl most of his games in fast and bouncy pitch of Australia...

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by sovik
Murali's performance against england

10 tests 768.3overs 1431runs 69wickets

whereas shane warnes performance against england

31tests 1551.3 overs 3837 runs 172 wickets

murali against south africa

13 tests 821.4 overs 1914 runs 82 wickets

shane warne against south africa

21tests 1193.4 overs 2719 runs 115 wickets

so it seems england and south africa are bot weaker than zimbabwe and bangladesh but sure not the strongest against spin


Battye's research is very nice because that shows how Murali has padded his total stats with minnows while Warne vacationed, but this one is better because there is no "what if" scenario here (like, what if Warne played the minnows)

If you take the runs/wickets ratio you can see that Murali is ahead of Warne agains both countries.

If you look at wickets per game, Murali is ahead agains both countries as well.

Can someone find out if Shane is ahead against any country?

nayan
March 8, 2006, 04:36 PM
australian pitches are ideal for wrist spinners! as a leg spinner you have to love the extra bounce and the skittyness of the picth.

areyoushpongled?
March 8, 2006, 04:51 PM
When Wisden assembled exactly one hundred distinguished judges of the game for its 2000 edition and asked them to settle on five “Cricketers of the Century”, Shane Warne’s name was on that exalted list. In effect, the accolade named Warne as the greatest bowler of all time.

Five years on and Warne stands as the all-time leading wicket-taker in Test matches. He has taken more wickets than Lillee and Thomson combined. Wisden in 2005 called him the leading cricketer in the world. Yet there are grave doubts. Warne is hardly a bowling, or even a spinning, equivalent to Sir Donald Bradman. A detailed look at the statistics can do nothing but lead one to believe that Warne's unparalleled reputation is based more on style and charisma than genuine bowling substance. If the figures are to be trusted, Muttiah Muralitharan leaves Warne for dead and is easily the greatest spinner of our times.

1) Warne has failed dismally against the best players of spin – India (43 wickets at 47.18). Murali has done far better against them (67 wickets at 32.47).

2) Murali has a better average, strike rate, economy rate, and takes more wickets per match than Warne; despite the fact that Warne has not had to play against the world's best team.

Mat O M R W Ave Best 5wi 10w SR Econ
Murali 100 5557.3 1863 13191 593 22.24 9-51 50 14 56.2 2.37
Warne 134 6296.4 1683 16503 653 25.27 8-71 34 10 57.8 2.62


3) Murali has a better record against all countries, except Pakistan who effectively fielded a youth team on Warne’s most successful tour there.

4) Murali is far more consistent. Warne has been known to be hit around occasionally and although Murali has previously been nullified to a degree, he has never been smashed around the park.

Warne
45 7 150 1 3.33 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1991/92 at Sydney
22 2 107 0 4.86 1st Test v SL in SL 1992 at Colombo (SSC)
30 2 104 3 3.47 3rd Test v Pak in Pak 1994/95 at Lahore
30 7 122 1 4.07 1st Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Chennai
42 4 147 0 3.50 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 1997/98 at Kolkata
15.5 2 70 1 4.42 3rd Test v WI in WI 1998/99 at Bridgetown
13 1 60 0 4.62 3rd Test v Ind in Aus 1999/00 at Sydney
34 3 152 1 4.47 2nd Test v Ind in Ind 2000/01 at Kolkata
42 7 140 2 3.33 3rd Test v Ind in Ind 2000/01 at Chennai
30 6 108 2 3.60 3rd Test v SA in SA 2001/02 at Durban
38 7 129 3 3.39 2nd Test v SL in Aus 2004 at Cairns
32 4 115 2 3.59 1st Test v Ind in Ind 2004/2005 at Nagpur
24 4 84 1 3.50 3rd Test v Pak in Aus 2004/05 at Sydney
19.2 2 77 1 3.98 3rd Test v WI in Aus 2005/06 at Adelaide

Murali
36 6 123 1 3.42 1st Test v Pak in SL 1994 at Colombo
20 2 83 2 4.15 2nd Test v Pak in Pak 1995/96 at Faisalabad
54 3 224 2 4.15 1st Test v Aus in Aus 1995/96 at Perth
33 6 136 0 4.12 1st Test v NZ in NZ 1996/97 at Dunedin
25 2 96 2 3.84 2nd Test v Ind in SL 2001 at Kandy
30 3 102 2 3.40 Only Test v Aus in Aus 2005/06 at Sydney
36 4 128 3 3.56 3rd Test v Ind in Ind 2005/06 at Ahmedabad


5) Warne is part of a stronger bowling attack. If Warne was of equal ability to Murali he would take less wickets per match than Murali (because Australia have four good bowlers competing for wickets), but would have a lower average and strike rate (because greater pressure is exerted upon the batsman by the higher class Australian bowlers at the other end). For an example of this take two great fast bowlers, Marshall and Hadlee. Marshall had a better average because the other outstanding West Indian bowlers maintained penetration, but Hadlee took more wickets per match because there was less competition for them. Murali takes more wickets per match and has a lower average and strike rate.

6) A high proportion of Warne's test wickets are numbers 10 and 11 in the batting order; Murali does well against all batting positions. When they were both on 527 wickets, Warne had taken the wickets of batsmen 8-11 190 times, Murali had done it 162 times - a significant difference of 17%. And we all know it is far more valuable to be able to defeat players of high ability, because they can really make you suffer. Tailenders will usually get out sooner rather than later anyway, and very rarely turn a match on its head (with the bat anyway). What’s the point in Warne taking the wickets of Nehra or Walsh game after game, if he cannot trouble Tendulkar, Dravid or Lara?

7) Although Warne has been less effective since his shoulder injury, even at his peak (1993-97) he was not as effective as Murali has been this century.

Mat O M R W Ave Best 5wi 10w SR Econ
Murali 2000-2003 37 2347.3 684 4990 258 19.34 9-51 22 10 54.5 2.13
Warne 1993-97 57 2876.5 938 6457 277 23.31 8-71 11 3 62.3 2.24

8) You could take a look at their respective records in the English county championship:

Mat Balls M R W Ave Best 5wi 10w SR Econ
Murali 25 7695 391 2735 185 14.78 7-39 21 6 41.5 2.13
Warne 38 8695 332 4012 168 23.88 6-34 9 0 51.7 2.77

9) Murali on top form is more devastating than Warne on top form.

Best innings:

9/51 M Muralitharan v Zimbabwe at Kandy, 2nd Test, 2001/02 [1583]
9/65 M Muralitharan v England at The Oval, Only Test, 1998 [1423]
8/71 SK Warne v England at Brisbane, 1st Test, 1994/95
8/87 M Muralitharan v India at Colombo (SSC), 3rd Test, 2001 [1559]

Best Series:

Murali
Sri Lanka in Pakistan, 1999/00 [Series]
3 213.1 516 26 6/71 19.84 2.42 49.1 1 1
South Africa in Sri Lanka, 2000 [Series]
3 227.4 480 26 7/84 18.46 2.10 52.5 3 1
Zimbabwe in Sri Lanka, 2001/02 [Series]
3 203.1 294 30 9/51 9.80 1.44 40.6 2 1
England in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
3 231.4 320 26 7/46 12.30 1.38 53.4 1 1
Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
3 209.1 649 28 6/59 23.17 3.10 44.8 4 1

Warne
The Ashes (Aus/Eng) in England, 1993 [Series]
6 439.5 877 34 5/82 25.79 1.99 77.6 1 0
The Ashes (Aus/Eng) in Australia, 1994/95 [Series]
5 256.1 549 27 8/71 20.33 2.14 56.9 2 1
The Ashes (Aus/Eng) in England, 2001 [Series]
5 195.2 580 31 7/165 18.70 2.96 37.8 3 1
Australia v Pakistan Test Series in Sri Lanka/U.A.E., 2002/03 [Series]
3 124 342 27 7/94 12.66 2.75 27.5 2 1
Australia in Sri Lanka, 2003/04 [Series]
3 168 521 26 5/43 20.03 3.10 38.7 4 2
The Ashes (Aus/Eng) in England, 2005 [Series]
5 252.5 797 40 6/46 12/246 19.92 3.15 37.9 3 2

10) One reason why Warne is rated so highly is Gatting’s reaction to the so called “ball of the century.” The shock that that ball sent through the cricketing world was immense because it was thought no one else could bowl that delivery. Actually, Warne was not the only one to bowl such a delivery in recent years, Abdul Qadir had bowled the same delivery a few years earlier, it just wasn’t highlighted at the time because it wasn't on such a big stage. Murali bowled similar balls which were every bit as good to both Sadgapan Ramesh and Mark Butcher a few years ago.

11) Murali was recently voted the best bowler ever in an objective Wisden analysis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/cricket/2572069.stm:drool:

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 9:52 PM GMT, by areyoushpongled?.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 10:04 PM GMT, by areyoushpongled?.

Bat-PadTogether
March 8, 2006, 04:54 PM
I still call Murali a Javlen thrower!

Flipper
March 8, 2006, 05:24 PM
Br. areyoushpongled?,

Great stuff! My thoughts were in the same direction, and now I am totally convinced!

Sauron
March 8, 2006, 05:48 PM
Originally posted by areyoushpongled?
... ...


Guys, what have u started? First battye comes out with a logical concise analysis. And then this guy (what does your nick mean?) comes up with an extra super analysis that just drowns battye's piece. I have changed my mind back again.

Please no one else try to analyze this analysis away. I don't want to change my mind again.;)

6alltheway
March 8, 2006, 05:53 PM
its true, murali is, and if he wasnt in the team, the both test would be a different story.

Once Murali retires, unless they find another Murali it wont be the same team.

mhferdaus
March 8, 2006, 08:01 PM
Originally posted by sadi
Originally posted by nayan
bd will bat way better against s.warne. with all the respect to warne, murli is a better bowler. he gets a sharp turn and a odd bounce in any pitch. he is just something else. on the other hand warne is just a wrist spinner who have mastered the flight and veriation of leg spin better than anybody else in the world.
p.s:"sadi, i think someone is on his way to challenge that"

who? Stuart Macgill? lol....

I don't think Murali is better than Warne... they are both equally good..... Murali has played most of the cricket in Srilanka where the pitch is tailormade for his kinda bowling... on the other hand, Warne had to bowl most of his games in fast and bouncy pitch of Australia...

Everyone is forgetting about Saqlain the inventor of Doosra, He could turn the bowl sharp off spin or leg spin, but Murali could beat him on his turn of offspin, and dont forget about Abdul Kadir also.

If Pakistani cricket had not much politics Saqlain would have reached higher level than warne or Murali.

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 08:34 PM
areyoushpongled's post should be framed and put on the front page with pride.

One of the best posts ever in Banglacricket.

RazabQ
March 8, 2006, 09:07 PM
shpongled should post his thing on all the SL boards - he will be the poster of the year :)

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by RazabQ
shpongled should post his thing on all the SL boards - he will be the poster of the year :)

This article, if posted on cricinfo front page, could be immortal. Would be quoted by cricket fanatics for decades.

Hatebreed
March 8, 2006, 10:10 PM
SL bowls murali too much... he bowled 30.5 out of BD's 76.5 overs... as effective as he is, Murali is only trying to boost his records... it's a win-win situation for SL... warne is probably feeling jealous and insecure

but remember, without vaas/murali/jayasuria - SL will be nothing

HereWeGo
March 8, 2006, 10:11 PM
I'll keep it small and simple. I don know much statictics but i am sure that even against Bangladesh there is none that has a better strike rate than murli. I mean there have been a lot of bowlers who got their chances against bangladesh but none i think were as succesfull as Murli.

As far as chucking goes, i personally feel that Shoib was always a chucker. Murli's chucking is not that prominent.

Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled. before i drift away furthur from the actual topic.. Adios....

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by HereWeGo
Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled.

:P

zakirc
March 9, 2006, 12:55 AM
After the long analysis of Murali vs Warne, I think someone should promote areyoushpongled to ODI or Test. Good one dude.

fy288
March 9, 2006, 06:51 AM
Originally posted by Cats_eye
Who cares? Warne would have his chance to get cheap wickets in coming months. When Murali will shatter his record to dust I'd be more than happy. Sour grapes for the "Oh, I didn't know. My Mom gave me those pills."

Yeah classic LOL!!!

Unlike murali warne spends more time on dirty lurid phone calls than honing his spinning skills!!!!

I personally feel that if he tours BD in april he wont get as many wickets murali.

Tigers_eye
March 9, 2006, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by battye
... hasn't played Bangladesh yet.
Who asked him to take banned substance?

Tigers_eye
March 9, 2006, 09:07 AM
areyoushpongled,
What a post; didn't see it before. Great stuff.

areyoushpongled?
March 9, 2006, 01:49 PM
Everyone is forgetting about Saqlain the inventor of Doosra

This is not strictly true. In all but name, Sonny Ramadhin was bowling the doosra, or something to the same effect, during the late 1940s.

Xavier
March 9, 2006, 02:19 PM
Shane Warne is just envious (is this word used in spoken english?) for Murali reaching 1000 international wicket mark and he's afraid that Murali could also take the record for best test wicket-taker... isn't he known to be very proud? (like most Aussies)

fhstar
March 9, 2006, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by HereWeGo

Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled. before i drift away furthur from the actual topic.. Adios....

Please don't make fun of disabled people (even if u r joking) ... it's not their fault that they are disabled ... that includes anybody who's disabled .. not just cricket players ... please be courteous ... the above comments could have been made in a different tone ... not just ICC ... in general any disable person should have the same rights/opportunities as any other human being.

hkooraham
March 10, 2006, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by HereWeGo
.........
Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled. before i drift away furthur from the actual topic.. Adios....


Hope people would not be so inconsiderate as this to ridicule deformities of people.

I hope the moderators would take note of this.

Baundule
March 10, 2006, 09:59 AM
Originally posted by hkooraham
Originally posted by HereWeGo
.........
Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled. before i drift away furthur from the actual topic.. Adios....


Hope people would not be so inconsiderate as this to ridicule deformities of people.

I hope the moderators would take note of this.

Press the report button please ;)

n.b. chorer maar boro gola bole ekta kotha shunesilam sotobela.

RazabQ
March 11, 2006, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by HereWeGo
Finally it is about time that instead of looking for tall strong people to be fast bowlers we should try searching for someone who has a birth defect of bend arm. Seems like ICC is very friendly towards the disabled. before i drift away furthur from the actual topic.. Adios.... Murali has been pilloried and scrutinized senseless. And he has borne it all with much more grace and manner than you displaying with the above comment.

mod.warning - please do be respectful of those have succedeed inspite of physical handicaps.

Tasin
April 9, 2006, 11:33 AM
Those cheap wickets !!!!

Feeling kinda sorry for Shane Warne !!!!!


:embaressed:

:lol:

Edited on, April 9, 2006, 5:06 PM GMT, by Tasin.

shamster
April 9, 2006, 11:51 AM
It shows it does not matter who you play against. You still have to go and get the. You don't just turn up and expect the wickets to be handed to you on a plate. I mean the way Warne was talking yes its a fact he has got x amount of wickets against Zim/BG.

But he was there to take them and he took them. Where was you Mr Warne, you were banned having too much fun. I think Mr Warne got one thing wrong BG/Zim just dont give you thier wicket you got to work for it!

No excuses Mr Warne needs to retract his comments like Ponting did. Bet Ponting feels releived he went back on his words.

Shaan
April 9, 2006, 12:01 PM
No excuses Mr Warne needs to retract his comments like Ponting did. Bet Ponting feels releived he went back on his words. [/quote]

very well said,, I feel really sorry for warne to make himself as a joke by nonsense comment :fanflag:

Locutus
April 9, 2006, 12:09 PM
I am just afraid that Shane Warne might just bolw us away in day 2.

mildwind
April 9, 2006, 12:28 PM
If warne can get a wicket, he will feel like priceless wicket for sure. Ignore him. He has no use for the good of our cricket.

thasan
April 9, 2006, 01:03 PM
tonight that chubby joker will have to eat his own words!!!
:fire::fire::fire::fire:
go bangladesh go!!:fanflag:

sunniath
April 9, 2006, 01:06 PM
bd wickets dont seem so cheap now,do they shane?:cool:

Anher
April 9, 2006, 01:12 PM
forget about wickets thing.."boro maramari hoiche". i'm worried about his average and run rate. Its his highest run rate given in a test innings. check our cricinfo column.

ASA
April 9, 2006, 01:53 PM
A 20 year old kid smacked his 56 deliveries for 67 runs ... cheap indeed!!!

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layperson
April 9, 2006, 03:00 PM
maybe Mr warne was too busy, sending text msgs to the "female fans".... since he thut cheap wickets wud come no matter what, to think abt his game .... or maybe he was actually running around tanbazar looking for his next "prey" ..... god knws what .... but this wud be a kick in his rear end ..... i knw he is one of the greatest bowlers this game has ever seen but his character is sth i wudnt even spit on ..... he talks too much crap abt murali as well ... probably bcoz of jealousy tht murali will overhaul him in the long run....infact most of the aussie squad are very ignorant nd way too proud(in a bad way) ...... i wud love it if BD teach them all a lesson .... however tht is still wishful thinking coz one day out of 5 is only 20 percent of the job done.....inshAllah we can send them back home with red faces.....