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fwullah
March 8, 2006, 08:54 AM
I didn't watch the full match today, just looked at the way our batsman got out. I think that even though we did not score much (only 234 compared to 319 of the 1st test), it is good to see that our specialist batsman did not throw their wickets away like in the 1st test match. What do you think?

However, their lack in reading Murali's balls is still a matter of great concern. In order to get rid of this, we have to identify who are our best batsman against spin bowling and who are our best batsman against pace bowling.

Our selectors have already thought about this issue and they have identified that Aftab, although a very good player, lacks the ability to read spin bowling (at least, in the International level). So how can someone overcome this defficiency?

It is one thing to have weaknesses against pace bowling, an art in which we are not particularly good at given our environment and pitch conditions, but we should be able to have players who can at least play spinners like Bandara pretty well, if not a world class bowler like Murali.

al Furqaan
March 8, 2006, 09:00 AM
our boys handle quicks quite well...lee, akhtar, harmy, flintoff...at least in ODIs.

sadi
March 8, 2006, 09:04 AM
I didnt see how shahriar nafees got out but looking at the match report, it looks like he was chasing a ball way outside the offstump.... anyone saw the dismissal??

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 09:33 AM
Even I also did not see the match. But according to cricinfo, total throw away was for 5 cases -

1.Shahriar Nafees c Sangakkara b Malinga 9 (106 for 3)
Reached for a wide, swinging delivery
- Why to chase a wide delivery?


2.Habibul Bashar c Tharanga b Muralitharan 69 (186 for 6)
Caught bat-pad while trying to use his feet
- Why to go down the wicket just in 2nd last over before tea?


3.Mohammad Rafique c Muralitharan bFernando 32 (231 for 8)
Holed out trying to hit over the top
- Understandable that he was trying for some quick runs.


4.Shahadat Hossain c Muaralitharan b Fernando (233 for 9)
Flat-batted straight to mid on
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


5. Syed Rasel c Bandara b Muralitharan 0 (234 for 10)
Picked-out mid on with attempted lofted drive
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


Well, we still have five outs in ten who actually made mistake, more or less. It gotta be strongly understood by the batsman that we should not get out unless the bowler gets them out. Remember, test wcickets are costly and not cheap. Never throw away a wicket, no matter what the situation is!!

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:41 PM GMT, by sar2005.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 5:12 PM GMT, by sar2005.

reverse_swing
March 8, 2006, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by sar2005
Even I also did not see the match. But according to cricinfo, total throw away was for 5 cases -

1.Shahriar Nafees c Sangakkara b Malinga 9 (106 for 3)
Reached for a wide, swinging delivery
- Why to chase a wide delivery?


2.Habibul Bashar c Tharanga b Muralitharan 29 (186 for 6)
Caught bat-pad while trying to use his feet
- Why to go down the wicket just in 2nd last over before tea?


3.Mohammad Rafique c Muralitharan bFernando 32 (231 for 8)
Holed out trying to hit over the top
- Understandable that he was trying for some quick runs.


4.Shahadat Hossain c Muaralitharan b Fernando (233 for 9)
Flat-batted straight to mid on
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


5. Syed Rasel c Bandara b Muralitharan 0 (234 for 10)
Picked-out mid on with attempted lofted drive
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


Well, we still have five outs in ten who actually made mistake, more or less. It gotta be strongly understood by the batsman that we should not get out unless the bowler gets them out. Remember, test wcickets are costly and not cheap. Never throw away a wicket, no matter what the situation is!!

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:41 PM GMT, by sar2005.

This thread is about specialist batsman. Among the specialist batsmans only SN threw his wicket today.

Rafique.Rajib and Rasel are bowlers not specialist batsmans.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:55 PM GMT, by reverse_swing.

sadi
March 8, 2006, 09:56 AM
I saw how nafis iqbal and javed omar got out... true they didn't give away their wickets but they should use their common sense a little more... I am sure whatmore told them not to play murali in the backfoot.... its very hard to play him in backfoot cuz he gets such sharp turn........ even if whatmore didn't mention.... atleast javed omar should have learned the lesson after nafis got out... but seems like our batsman cant use their head......

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by reverse_swing
Originally posted by sar2005
It gotta be strongly understood by the batsman that we should not get out unless the bowler gets them out. Remember, test wcickets are costly and not cheap. Never throw away a wicket, no matter what the situation is!!

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:41 PM GMT, by sar2005.

This thread is about specialist batsman. Among the specialist batsmans only SN threw his wicket today.

Rafique.Rajib and Rasel are bowlers not specialist batsmans.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:55 PM GMT, by reverse_swing.

Yeah, you are right. They are bowlers. But what I'm trying to say is none should throw away the wickets, even not the bowlers. All 10 wickets count, aren't they?

I know Dev is also working on this to lengthen our batting :lol:

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by sadi
I saw how nafis iqbal and javed omar got out... true they didn't give away their wickets but they should use their common sense a little more... I am sure whatmore told them not to play murali in the backfoot.... its very hard to play him in backfoot cuz he gets such sharp turn........ even if whatmore didn't mention.... atleast javed omar should have learned the lesson after nafis got out... but seems like our batsman cant use their head......

Exactly what was also said by NTV sports reporter right now. You are spot on!! I think it just does not work when they are in the game :(

Sauron
March 8, 2006, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by sar2005
Even I also did not see the match. But according to cricinfo, total throw away was for 5 cases -

1.Shahriar Nafees c Sangakkara b Malinga 9 (106 for 3)
Reached for a wide, swinging delivery
- Why to chase a wide delivery?

Not that wide really. It was not a bad delivery. By the same token, Shahriar Nafees scored a bunch of boundaries from very similar deliveries. He did not throw his wicket.

Originally posted by sar2005
Well, we still have five outs in ten who actually made mistake, more or less. It gotta be strongly understood by the batsman that we should not get out unless the bowler gets them out. Remember, test wcickets are costly and not cheap. Never throw away a wicket, no matter what the situation is!!

Bad batsmanship was from JO and Nafis Iqbal. They both played on the backfoot to Murali's turners and paid the price. Even Shahadat was handling Murali better than JO and NI.

And Rafiq could have (& should have) hung around longer and scored a few tens more. Shahadat was giving him fairly good company.

Pilot is running out of steam both in batting and wicket keeping.

Spitfire_x86
March 8, 2006, 10:10 AM
When the score is 234 all out on the first day in a batting wicket, who cares whether they gave away their wickets or not! :duh:

I've watched the morning session and half of the post-lunch session. Only Ashraful (and Bashar to some degree) seemed competent enough to handle Murali.

In the 1st test, there was Ashraful's 136 saved us and in this test he couldn't score another century. That made the difference.

"Aftab is out of the playing XI because he can't handle Murali" is another lame excuse for keeping him out. He can't be worse than the other BD batsman (except Bashar and Ashraful). But players like Aftab and Ashraful can make a big difference on their days.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 3:15 PM GMT, by Spitfire_x86.

reverse_swing
March 8, 2006, 10:11 AM
Originally posted by Sauron
Originally posted by sar2005
Even I also did not see the match. But according to cricinfo, total throw away was for 5 cases -

1.Shahriar Nafees c Sangakkara b Malinga 9 (106 for 3)
Reached for a wide, swinging delivery
- Why to chase a wide delivery?

Not that wide really. It was not a bad delivery. By the same token, Shahriar Nafees scored a bunch of boundaries from very similar deliveries. He did not throw his wicket.


Are you sure? SN scored only 9 today and no boundaries. :) And it was a wide, swinging delivery according to Cricinfo.I haven't seen today's match though.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 3:13 PM GMT, by reverse_swing.

sadi
March 8, 2006, 10:14 AM
I feel like they were too defensive against murali.... when you are so defensive against murali, basically you are giving him to get his full rhythm and you are playing to his hands... thats what happened.... Bangladeshi batsman should've a little more aggresive against Murali..... Rafique is the man :D

khalifa
March 8, 2006, 11:17 AM
I also couldn't watch BD's inning (as none of the freebie sites were working :-/), but according to BBC sports, Bashar was guilty of throwing away his wicket to Murali.

"And Bashar was guilty of giving his wicket away just before tea when he advanced down the wicket to a ball from Murali, but edged the ball onto his pad and Upul Tharanga took the catch at short leg."

SMHasan
March 8, 2006, 11:26 AM
Bright sunny day, no moisture in the wicket....still we cudnt make descent score. Bowlers bowled well true but we didnt bat well either.So there is no point of saying that we didnt throw our wicket.In this level u need to play well to make runs.As there are not enough runs on the board that means we played some rubbish cricket.

You cant play murali in the back foot!!!!!!

zakirc
March 8, 2006, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by sar2005
Even I also did not see the match. But according to cricinfo, total throw away was for 5 cases -

1.Shahriar Nafees c Sangakkara b Malinga 9 (106 for 3)
Reached for a wide, swinging delivery
- Why to chase a wide delivery?


2.Habibul Bashar c Tharanga b Muralitharan 29 (186 for 6)
Caught bat-pad while trying to use his feet
- Why to go down the wicket just in 2nd last over before tea?


3.Mohammad Rafique c Muralitharan bFernando 32 (231 for 8)
Holed out trying to hit over the top
- Understandable that he was trying for some quick runs.


4.Shahadat Hossain c Muaralitharan b Fernando (233 for 9)
Flat-batted straight to mid on
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


5. Syed Rasel c Bandara b Muralitharan 0 (234 for 10)
Picked-out mid on with attempted lofted drive
- Was afraid of running out of parters and hence charged


Well, we still have five outs in ten who actually made mistake, more or less. It gotta be strongly understood by the batsman that we should not get out unless the bowler gets them out. Remember, test wcickets are costly and not cheap. Never throw away a wicket, no matter what the situation is!!

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 2:41 PM GMT, by sar2005.

Habibul Bashar made 29 :-/

Habibul Bashar, Bangladesh's captain, provided lone resistance with a pugnacious 69, an innings full of positive strokes, including some pulls early on as Sri Lanka tested his compulsion to hook. Against Muralitharan he was less secure, switching onto the defensive apart from two fine strokes, a crisp sweep that split the field and a dancing checked-drive that left Muralitharan scowling in annoyance.

Check out the score dude ... and Bashar Did not throw his wicket,

A few overs later, Bashar also departed as Upul Tharanga claimed a fine catch diving forward one-handed at silly point.

I understand you did not watch the entire match live but at least read Cricinfo properly before making a posting claiming to be based on thier info.:sorry:

The only specialist batsman to throw his wicket was Shahrier Nafees :down: and he did it in the same fasion as the 2nd innings in 1st test.

istiak
March 8, 2006, 11:53 AM
the ball was turning and you need to come out and try to play as close as possible to the pitch of the ball. Basher did exactly that only that ball turned more than he thought and got an inside edge.

Its true that we got real problem with good spinners and its not a new problem.

FaridpurChicago
March 8, 2006, 12:16 PM
I watched the match in Willow TV. Bashar played a captains innings. Except SN, no one threw his wickets. Ofcourse I'm not counting the specialist bowlers although their wicket matters. Rafiq played his usual innings and that's why he was out trying to deliver overhead. You want to know what would happen if he would be defensive. Just see what happened to Pilot for being over defensive (in all 3 test innings). Bashar played freely to others and cautiously to Murali. The catch he offered was not a catch either, he was too unlucky.
The way the pitch is behaving and SL down 2 wickets, I hope SL will not take a big lead as long as my favourite Rafiq is there.

Our best team could be replacing SN with Aftab and now no use of talking about it.

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 12:19 PM
Originally posted by zakirc

Habibul Bashar made 29 :-/

I understand you did not watch the entire match live but at least read Cricinfo properly before making a posting claiming to be based on thier info.:sorry:


I have corrected my post. Could you do me a favor? Could you please request cricinfo to correct it. I just copied it from -

http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/bdeshvsl/content/current/story/239883.html

Regarding throwing the wicket of HB, it was my personal view as I read he danced down the wicket just few balls before tea break. Hope clarifies!

fishyguy
March 8, 2006, 12:24 PM
As disappointed as I am that we scored a low total its true our top order batsmen did not through away their wickets with wild extravagant shots.

This time they just werent good enough.

But thats ok because I beleive in the future once they permanently reduce the number of wickets they just throw away and improve their quality to compete they can finally make their presence felt.

sar2005
March 8, 2006, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by istiak
the ball was turning and you need to come out and try to play as close as possible to the pitch of the ball. Basher did exactly that only that ball turned more than he thought and got an inside edge.

Its true that we got real problem with good spinners and its not a new problem.

My friend, that's always being my problem.
If the shot could reach boundary, I would say, what a shot! But when he got out just before few balls to tea break, I said, it rubbish!!

Yeah, poor BD fan!! Indeed Bashar played a captain's knock. But you know, expectation has never any bound :lol:

Sauron
March 8, 2006, 12:28 PM
Originally posted by reverse_swing
Are you sure? SN scored only 9 today and no boundaries. :) And it was a wide, swinging delivery according to Cricinfo.I haven't seen today's match though.


I was referring to Nafees's boundaries in other innings against SL and previously in ENG. The delivery swung a bit and he just did not middle it as much.

I watched the match almost fully ... and saw multiple replays of Nafees's wicket. He should not be hanged for this out.

On the other hand, Shahadat could teach NI and JO as to how to smother Murali's spin. He was playing with straight bat and coming down on the ball. After Rafiq got out, Shahadat tried hitting and that's how Murali got him.

Frontline batsmen like JO and NI should know enough to avoid going on backfoot to Murali. He was just toying with them.

sadi
March 8, 2006, 12:53 PM
yeah our top order batsmen can definately use shahadat's tips for second innings......

Umar
March 8, 2006, 01:15 PM
Dont worry about 2nd Inngs yet ! u never know!

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by sadi
yeah our top order batsmen can definately use shahadat's tips for second innings......

Isn't that unfortunate!

Nice thread. Good thinking Fwullah.

TheWatcher
March 8, 2006, 01:32 PM
No, other than SN, our batsmen didn't throw their wickets, but most of them went into shells and let Murali make complete fool out of themselves.

Before the match, Bashar said they were going to handle Murali positively this time, but, I guess, our batsmen, other than Ashraful, did not hear him.

LateCut
March 8, 2006, 01:36 PM
Whenever there are thant many LBWs one would question the technique of the batsmen. To get out LBW to a spinner means that you are not picking the line (or Doosra). I can see why BD batsmen can be vulnerable against quality pace bowelers due to lack of practice but against spin they should do better. I do not know why they don't.

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
No, other than SN, our batsmen didn't throw their wickets, but most of them went into shells and let Murali make complete fool out of themselves.

Before the match, Bashar said they were going to handle Murali positively this time, but, I guess, our batsmen, other than Ashraful, did not hear him.

Ashraful didn't hear him either. He just did what he always tries to do. I like how he started though. He had 1 run in the first 10 balls. And then he took off. The innings would have been totally different if didn't lose his concentration in the next ball after Basher's 50.

billah
March 8, 2006, 02:44 PM
We should not overlook these two factors:

1. The pitch, contrary to what the curator said, is a faster one than Chittagong. It is quite bouncy also. Our batsmen were actually ducking under Murali's short ball. Masud, in dealing with the Dusra, caught it at half volley height and turned it to square leg! Murali got surprising height off those deliveries.

2. Murali's Dusra was getting very sharp turns. When the delivery was squaring after pitching, playing on the backfoot caused the detriment of both Nafis & Javed. The extra sharp turns mixed with Murali's variation caused all the problem.

The pitch continues to support the bowlers, look at how Rasel got his wicket. I just wished at least one of our batsmen took the attack to Murali on the front foot & hit him for sixes. Murali was called in very early (after 2 Maharoof overs) and bowled practically all day. A few good hits would have forced them to pull him towards the end. Instead, he had his way with the tailenders also.

RazabQ
March 8, 2006, 02:48 PM
Argh, my long post on the pitch differences got deleted.
Spot on billah. To summarise. Pitch faster. On slow pitch playing back smart. Not so on this one. Coach should have made that adjustement. Dav is just a glorified motivational speaker.

pagol-chagol
March 8, 2006, 02:48 PM
Murali started the 13th over. Fernando replace Mahroof in the 6th over

billah
March 8, 2006, 02:51 PM
Originally posted by pagol-chagol
Murali started the 13th over. Fernando replace Mahroof in the 6th over

I stand corrected:embaressed:

Regardless, he bowled long spells and a lot of overs, is my point there....

TheWatcher
March 8, 2006, 03:05 PM
Originally posted by RazabQ
To summarise. Pitch faster. On slow pitch playing back smart. Not so on this one. Coach should have made that adjustement. Dav is just a glorified motivational speaker.
I was just thinking how about adding Minhajul Abedin as our batting coach. True, he lacks in international experience, but the guy sure has a good cricketing mind. At this point, he is doing a fine job with Chittagong batting side. He should know about our home grounds thoroughly and should be a good adviser for out batsmen on the matter.

Edited on, March 8, 2006, 8:09 PM GMT, by TheWatcher.

Bat-PadTogether
March 8, 2006, 04:36 PM
I watch some part of the match!SN throw his wicket away because he loves fishing and chasing wide deliveries.

rudro
March 8, 2006, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by TheWatcher
I was just thinking how about adding Minhajul Abedin as our batting coach. True, he lacks in international experience, but the guy sure has a good cricketing mind. At this point, he is doing a fine job with Chittagong batting side. He should know about our home grounds thoroughly and should be a good adviser for out batsmen on the matter.


I like the idea! I am a "Nannu-fan" other than his temper. He plays spin better than any Bangladesh Batsman.

billah
March 8, 2006, 05:01 PM
Nannu used to take wickets regularly as a bowler in the ICC matches...(not that I'm suggesting him as our bowling coach)