Ashraful and Bashar's Performance UNACCEPTABLE

[bengaltiger]

The reason Aftab was playing aggresively was because he knew there were two world-class batsmen coming after him. But a less than 5 something and a 0!! We are expecting so much and paying thousands of dollars every month for this!! We cannot always completely depend on the first 2 or 3 batsmen every match. Even if B'desh goes on to win this match, I find it completely unacceptable.

[Toutais]

take it easy, in any batting lineup u will have some failures and some succeses. Even the aussie one.

batsmen arent machine u know its alot harder being consistent as a batsman rather than a bowler, as a batsman anything can happen and u only have one chance to bat.

[mhferdaus]

My only problem with Bashar was that, instead of playing anchor and supporting others he played a shot, which was nor aggressive neither passive and paid the price, that is the most unacceptable thing considering the situation. He should have grown up man, still he is our top batsman wish him good luck and good return to form.

[Beamer]

No mention of Javed Omar at the top of the topic? Or could it be that people actually have no expectation for him?

[Spitfire_x86]

Ashraful and Bashar's dismissal were really stupid. These deliveries could've been easily put away for four.

Originally posted by Beamer
No mention of Javed Omar at the top of the topic? Or could it be that people actually have no expectation for him?
His failure is what our team needs the most. 5 more failures, and hopefully our team management will try Nafees Iqbal or someone else.

[BanglaCool]

Originally posted by bengaltiger
The reason Aftab was playing aggresively was because he knew there were two world-class batsmen coming after him. But a less than 5 something and a 0!! We are expecting so much and paying thousands of dollars every month for this!! We cannot always completely depend on the first 2 or 3 batsmen every match. Even if B'desh goes on to win this match, I find it completely unacceptable.
Ash and Bash should own up to their failure and say sorry.

Edited on, March 23, 2006, 1:50 PM GMT, by BanglaCool.

[fwullah]

This failure from Bashar and Ashraful was to be expected.

(I was expecting it, so no surprise in there for me)

[Hasib]

*sigh*....after the other two games you lot found one person to pick on (ie JO in the 1st & Kapali in the 2nd).... this time you found two...must we ALWAYS complain... i mean after the first really easy game this was bound to happen anyway...at least no one has opened a poll this time round

[Rumi]

I wish I am wrong. But Ashraful, I feel is the most over rated player in history of Bangladesh cricket.

[yaseer]

Originally posted by Rumi
I wish I am wrong. But Ashraful, I feel is the most over rated player in history of Bangladesh cricket.

your wish is true........you are absolutely wrong

[Hasib]

Originally posted by yaseer
Originally posted by Rumi
I wish I am wrong. But Ashraful, I feel is the most over rated player in history of Bangladesh cricket.

your wish is true........you are absolutely wrong

:D yup! absolutely!

[Mon]

He also might be the most unpredictable player. I am hopeful that with age(and after a marriage), he will become all that he can be.

[sar2005]

Come On!! Are not they the 2 guys who designed our most of the ODI wins? Talking about the wins agains AUS or SL, the partnership of Ash-Bash actully presented us many happy moments.

I thought they 2 were a bit relaxed without getting much chance in the serries, and of course with the result of first 2 matches. The way they got out were really a shame to watch. But keeping the past aside, we must need them both to come up with some runs before the serries against AUS. What about sending Ash and no. 3 and Bashar at no. 4 on last odi?? Hope they will return with some good score.

Edited on, March 23, 2006, 1:04 PM GMT, by sar2005.

[green_cat]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Ashraful and Bashar's dismissal were really stupid. These deliveries could've been easily put away for four.

Originally posted by Beamer
No mention of Javed Omar at the top of the topic? Or could it be that people actually have no expectation for him?
His failure is what our team needs the most. 5 more failures, and hopefully our team management will try Nafees Iqbal or someone else.

i am still thinking..if JO played 57 out of 87 ball what SN played today (70%boundary)....the fans could have been thrown him out...nobody is blamming SN for slow batting...this is the sheet anchor role what JO normally play...if JO played that today..what fans would have been told...i wounder..;)

[green_cat]

Originally posted by fwullah
This failure from Bashar and Ashraful was to be expected.

(I was expecting it, so no surprise in there for me)

same here i was also ecpecting this...but i was expecting 50 innings from pilot...althoug he didn't played bad:up: but i am absolutely sure, they will show their true class in 4th ODI...;)

Edited on, March 23, 2006, 1:19 PM GMT, by crktjani.

[Sham]

Originally posted by sar2005

I thought they 2 were a bit relaxed without getting much chance in the serries, and of course with the result of first 2 matches. The way they got out were really a shame to watch. But keeping the past aside, we must need them both to come up with some runs before the serries against AUS. What about sending Ash and no. 3 and Bashar at no. 4 on last odi?? Hope they will return with some good score.

Edited on, March 23, 2006, 1:04 PM GMT, by sar2005.

While I think its right to blame them for their low scores, I think the pitch had a part to play in a lot of our dismissals! It was just so darned slow! Our entire top order perished because they played at balls which didn't come on to the bat, and they played their shots a little too early. They didn't quite get the measure of the pace in the wicket!

[sar2005]

Originally posted by Sham

While I think its right to blame them for their low scores, I think the pitch had a part to play in a lot of our dismissals! It was just so darned slow! Our entire top order perished because they played at balls which didn't come on to the bat, and they played their shots a little too early. They didn't quite get the measure of the pace in the wicket!

Well, it's not a good thing for the home country. Does that mean they have not played some cricket in Fatullah to know the pitch? Or the pitch was completely different from what it is known to be??

Another critereon of a good batsman is how quickly you can adopt the pace of the wicket. For that you need to play with singles for a while. I'm sure they know the basics but just like other days, it was another mistake :(

[Miraz]

Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Ashraful and Bashar's dismissal were really stupid. These deliveries could've been easily put away for four.

Originally posted by Beamer
No mention of Javed Omar at the top of the topic? Or could it be that people actually have no expectation for him?
His failure is what our team needs the most. 5 more failures, and hopefully our team management will try Nafees Iqbal or someone else.

Dear, his failure initiated the collapse otherwise it would have been a high scoring match. So he is really important to keep wickets

[Sham]

Originally posted by Miraz
Originally posted by Spitfire_x86
Ashraful and Bashar's dismissal were really stupid. These deliveries could've been easily put away for four.

Originally posted by Beamer
No mention of Javed Omar at the top of the topic? Or could it be that people actually have no expectation for him?
His failure is what our team needs the most. 5 more failures, and hopefully our team management will try Nafees Iqbal or someone else.

Dear, his failure initiated the collapse otherwise it would have been a high scoring match. So he is really important to keep wickets

Don't agree at all! His failure didnt initiate anything. There was a 44 run partnership after Javed got out! The batting problems (including Javed's dismissal) were largely due to the stickyness of the wicket. The ball just didn't come on to the bat!

Having said that, even the Javed-haters understand the need for a good start and the need for someone to play a responsible innings at the top. However, we don't think Javed is the best person to play that sort of role. We would like to see someone like Nafis Iqbal take that job on and do it better than Javed. But that isn't going to happen as long as Javed is there! This series would have been the perfect opportunity to get NI back in, but oh well, all that the selectors have done is allowed Javed to consolidate his position!

[fy288]

i think after ash plays a good innings he should be dropped for the nest match, its a all too familiar sequence after he plays well in one match he plays poorly in the next 3-5. i love ash to bits and on his day he is the best player of international superstar quality we have although mortaza catching up.

pleased with todays win, maybe ash should be rested for last match of series?

[roi]

5 front-roll for Ash and 1 extra-drill for Javed.
As the captain, i will have Basher for 2 days dress punishment.
For this poor performence...rest team will have 1 extra prep on friday.

:joy:

[realElastic]

Originally posted by bengaltiger
The reason Aftab was playing aggresively was because he knew there were two world-class batsmen coming after him. But a less than 5 something and a 0!! We are expecting so much and paying thousands of dollars every month for this!! We cannot always completely depend on the first 2 or 3 batsmen every match. Even if B'desh goes on to win this match, I find it completely unacceptable.

Very right.

[sadi]

Just give these guys a break...... Ash's out was kinda sad I believe.... Aftab put away similar kind of balls to fences more than once but when ash went to play it, it went stright to the fielder.....

[atheist]

Originally posted by bengaltiger
The reason Aftab was playing aggresively was because he knew there were two world-class batsmen coming after him. But a less than 5 something and a 0!!

Well such failure is needed:sorry: By law of statistical avarage I am sure they will do better in the next match. Forget about todays, we have won anyways. Think about it if aftab, ash and bash -all three clicks, it will be a nightmere for Keniya for sure. Most probably we are going to see it in the next match.

[roi]

Originally posted by atheist
if aftab, ash and bash -all three clicks, it will be a nightmere for Keniya for sure. Most probably we are going to see it in the next match.

Wel said..i also belive so...a 350+ is not impossible:fire:

[istiak]

Originally posted by fwullah
This failure from Bashar and Ashraful was to be expected.

(I was expecting it, so no surprise in there for me)

I think you were expecting a BD defeat, isn't it?:lol:

[nayef]

What stood out in these two dismissals was the glaring failure to play strokes along the ground. While SN understood that the wicket wasnt good enough to play strokes freely, he dug in deep.. kept picking singles.. Ash/Bashar should have done the same until they got their eyes in...

having said that... dismissals like these will happen and we just gotta take it in our stride... these dont make them bad players overnight and i'm sure they'll come good soon enough!

[sadi]

actually I was quite impressed with how SN batted...... he batted with great maturity till the ball he got out.... he got out in similar fashion against murali in the test series and here he showed he didn't learn anything from his mistakes yet

[Tigers_eye]

Originally posted by Sham
While I think its right to blame them for their low scores, I think the pitch had a part to play in a lot of our dismissals! It was just so darned slow! Our entire top order perished because they played at balls which didn't come on to the bat, and they played their shots a little too early. They didn't quite get the measure of the pace in the wicket!

Slow wicket is not an excuse. That should allow the batsmen see the ball better. This was a pure batting pitch. The bowlers didn't do anything. If a batsmen don't know the pace of the wicket then why 1) practice at the net, 2) why play those shot before getting set?

I totally disagree on pitch issue. Too much aggressiveness and shot selection and timing (game time not the shot timing). The batsmen are to be blamed 100%.

[nayef]

Originally posted by sadi
actually I was quite impressed with how SN batted...... he batted with great maturity till the ball he got out.... he got out in similar fashion against murali in the test series and here he showed he didn't learn anything from his mistakes yet

I guess we can excuse him for now... he seems to have the temperament to hang in there and really does well in the middle overs... but his technique against fast bowlers and his impulsive dismissals still count against his positives...

[Tigers_eye]

Originally posted by istiak
Originally posted by fwullah
This failure from Bashar and Ashraful was to be expected.

(I was expecting it, so no surprise in there for me)

I think you were expecting a BD defeat, isn't it?:lol:
Nope that was her cousin's daughter :) She picked Bd to win, I guess.

[nayef]

Originally posted by Cats_eye
Originally posted by Sham
While I think its right to blame them for their low scores, I think the pitch had a part to play in a lot of our dismissals! It was just so darned slow! Our entire top order perished because they played at balls which didn't come on to the bat, and they played their shots a little too early. They didn't quite get the measure of the pace in the wicket!

Slow wicket is not an excuse. That should allow the batsmen see the ball better. This was a pure batting pitch. The bowlers didn't do anything. If a batsmen don't know the pace of the wicket then why 1) practice at the net, 2) why play those shot before getting set?

I totally disagree on pitch issue. Too much aggressiveness and shot selection and timing (game time not the shot timing). The batsmen are to be blamed 100%.

I'm not sure i agree to this... a slow pitch tends to cut down ur ability to play strokes, simply because the ball appears to come later than expected... a recipe for mistiming.
its actually quite hard to time the strokes on a slow pitch

[Tigers_eye]

Originally posted by roi
5 front-roll for Ash and 1 extra-drill for Javed.
As the captain, i will have Basher for 2 days dress punishment.
For this poor performence...rest team will have 1 extra prep on friday.

:joy:
No kombol parade? How about can not participate in games for one month and must practice reciting, debate, songs.

By the way, those extra drills were kinda cool. expecially when you have your favorite NCO administrating.

[Spitfire_x86]

Originally posted by Miraz
Dear, his failure initiated the collapse otherwise it would have been a high scoring match. So he is really important to keep wickets
The point is, "Where was Javed, fighting the lone battle while others fell around him?"

His fans often preach this kind of fairly tale.

[Ejaj]

wel.. two most big guns of Kenya also hadnt fired yet.. so this eventually cancels out the failure of our two big guns. :D

This was just a good, bit competetive game. So.. things like this can happen. this is perfectly normal. But, i hope. it doesnt happen too many times in a row...then. we will have soem problem.

JO.. lol.. Well... its amazng.. when he failes cheap.. ppl think that.. since JO got out.. the team didnt score good. I wonder how much is it true. Btw.. i didnt really see how did he get out. Can anyne tell me about his dismissial?

[nayef]

closed the face of the bat too early while playing a legside shot.. ball looped to mid off.

[Warlock]

Bangladesh brought back to planet earth. Can't believe we were talking about scoring 400+ against Kenya. All credits to the old and faithful warhorse Mohammad Rafiq- who saved our- and Bashar's:head: a_s today!
One thing I cannot forget- is the stupid smile on Bashar's face when he got out. What was so funny!

Edited on, March 23, 2006, 3:27 PM GMT, by Warlock.

[nightwatchman]

I am sick of this TALENT blind hitter crap..

We need players who can play front foot..

In real estate there are 3 most importat things and they are; location location and location
In cricket they are
foot work foot work and foot work...
Give me one gramatically sound player and I will be happy..
even they loose

[aosaif]

Firstly I am shocked at how badly we batted today.....given that kenyan bowlers do not look the least bit threatening......however one must remember that we have done great things against the likes of mcgrath and lee, hence, it shouldn't be too much of a surprise if the kenyans can do this against us.

Obviously we gave our wickets away.

I hope this serves as a wake-up call to bashar who has outwardly expressed his arrogant determination to annhilate Kenya, giving the impressions that he thinks he can continue not contributing to the team and expect his teammates to somehow pull another 9 wicket victory out of the hat.

Hopefully these guys train harder and get really pumped in order to avoid another close call. An emphatic victory in the 4th ODI would make ammends for this 3rd ODI-"near debacle."

[BanglaCool]

Originally posted by Cats_eye
Originally posted by roi
5 front-roll for Ash and 1 extra-drill for Javed.
As the captain, i will have Basher for 2 days dress punishment.
For this poor performence...rest team will have 1 extra prep on friday.

:joy:
No kombol parade? How about can not participate in games for one month and must practice reciting, debate, songs.

By the way, those extra drills were kinda cool. expecially when you have your favorite NCO administrating.

I think the punishment should be augmented by 500 frog jumps and a full gear 12 mile test.

[Rohel]

i think, we need some new players in the team. Musf,sakib,

[Duck]

Originally posted by roi
Originally posted by atheist
if aftab, ash and bash -all three clicks, it will be a nightmere for Keniya for sure. Most probably we are going to see it in the next match.

Wel said..i also belive so...a 350+ is not impossible:fire:

What a big big IF.............kalpurush, dhrubo ar shuktarakey ek rekhai eney nissen! :-/

[Duck]

Originally posted by Rohel
i think, we need some new players in the team. Musf,sakib,

You ar eabsolutely right.......but after the 2007/2008.....not now.

[kaisermatin]

ashes average is really pulling him down. did anyone point him that. bash is generally a more responsible of the two. but his failure was more due to his complacency and stupidity ~ both traits should be rare in a captain. we all know bashar, is not that.

[al Furqaan]

Originally posted by sadi
actually I was quite impressed with how SN batted...... he batted with great maturity till the ball he got out.... he got out in similar fashion against murali in the test series and here he showed he didn't learn anything from his mistakes yet

i would like to opine that the majority of times that batsman get out after being set, is due to a bad shot rather than an unplayable delivery. and had this not been the case, batsman who would score at least 20 runs, would always be unbeaten. clearly it is not so.

while i hate to see a player score 50 and not convert it to 100 especially thru bad shots, i would take that over getting out first ball due to inability or idiocy any day.

[thebest]

Originally posted by Ejaj
... Can anyne tell me about his dismissial?

He was not finding juicy half volly or balled pitched on legside like 2nd one day. So the gritty, ever reliable JO wanted to manufacture shot

[zakirc]

Bangladesh WON .... Thankfully . .despite fwullah's high expectations ..... so whats all this fuss??

So the boys got a bit carried away .... I think some of them were even eyeying a 350+ score to improve on the record set in the 1st. ODI. In any case, we had the bowling firepower to restrict Kenya to whatever score we can manage. And we did that even with one bowler short.

I have seen so many times Inzi & Yunis or Tendul & Dravid fail in the same match. Poor shot selection, poor footwork watever you say ... you must admit that they are human beings just like you and me. They cannot play in exactly the same fasion day after day.

As for JO, yesterday the entire team missed his Anchoring role and I belive his early dismissal affected the team score by at least 40/50 runs.



:fanflag::fanflag::fanflag:

[Daddy_Mac]

Ya I agree, one bad display doesn't mean the end of the world!!!
But at he end of the day although Bd ha some hick ups they got through...and thatsthe most important thing......and besides Keneya's bowling was miles apart from what it was before....
At teh end of the day an enjoyable game for the neutrals.....:joy::joy::joy: