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Thirdman
April 12, 2006, 11:22 AM
Do you think Aftab Ahmed should be included in the Test team?

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for his great attacking play. Even if he doen't score any runs at all in the rest of his career (no way thats happening), I will forever respect him for the 6 he hit in Cardiff last year.

But I believe he doesn't have "it" what it takes to be a Test player. He doesn't know how to take singles. His defence is not good either (yet). Remember how he played against Kenya? He scored great - but all he wanted to do was to hit 4's and 6's. He is a great ODI man! Not a Test player.

Ehsan
April 12, 2006, 11:27 AM
Yes, he should be in. He is just in two minds now: whether to play his natural game or conserve himself and its all because of selectors. He just needs to discover how to handle the long version of the game. I would recomend him that play your natural game when the bowler is bowling crap or a bad ball is bowled and conserve yourself when the bowlers are really firing.

Trust me when I say, the day he finds his rhythhm he will be one of our best test player and will be a great asset to the team. So, let him play and get used to the longer version of the game. He should be made to think about his position in the team but do not put extra pressure on him which may lead to a bad show in the field.

sadi
April 12, 2006, 11:49 AM
yeah he needs more opportunity... I m more disappointed with ashraful since he played so many test matches already and still don't know how to control himself...

Nasif
April 12, 2006, 11:51 AM
He needs more time to come to terms with his natural ability in test. It would be crime if he sits outside next test (which I believe will be happening, as Kapali might come in...)

layperson
April 12, 2006, 11:58 AM
Hell yeah ...... i hv said a lot of things to support my claims abt this topic in lots of other discussions where aftab's and ashraful's name came up .... if we want to see BD cricket progress forward we need to have these two in the team ...... ashraful needs to be more consistent but he has shown what he is capable of in the test arena ..... aftab on the other hand has shonw his capabilities according to me .... but ppl can argue tht nd i wud hv to accept it ..... but the fact remains tht aftab has only played 10 test matches.... nd in between he was dropped by the selectors to make way for other players based on god knws what ..... tht did harm to him ... i suggest the selectors give him an uniinterrupted run of at least 15 test matches and then decide on his fate ..... i m sure he will shut up all his critics b4 then ..... judhishthir bhai has said tht aftab doesnt hv a good defence nd doesnt knw how to take singles !!!!!!!! i cud not disagree more .... his technique is one of the best among the BD players hence his defence automatically is good ..... abt singles ... well i guess u ppl have not seen his innings against england where he scored 81* ..... tht innings was a typical aftab knock ..... punished the bad ballls nd took singles and twos ....... i dont remember the exact number of boundaries he hit tht day but i beleive he hit sth like 8 fours ... the rest of it came in singles twos nd threes ..... for now i say just let the chap play his own game ..... we shud focus on other matters tht r more imp..

layperson
April 12, 2006, 12:02 PM
if the selectors drop him for the next test ... i will make sure i bomb their house when i go to dhaka this summer...:mad: .... this is not a game of musical chairs .. if they do nething like this then they need profesional help bcoz their head might hv sm screws loose....how the hell do u expect a 20 yr old to perform if u keep on dropping him after one test match every other time :mad: ...

cricket_pagla
April 12, 2006, 12:16 PM
ofcourse.. r u outta ur mind.. why AFTAB hav 2 go.. hes tryin like Gilly.. but da diff is.. Aftab didnt get run.. in hes neu adaptation!...

Orpheus
April 12, 2006, 12:35 PM
The squad for second team should be unchanged. But I agree with the thread opener. Aftab doesnt have solid defense. Great ODI player though.

Spitfire_x86
April 12, 2006, 12:50 PM
Yes, he should be in. He is just in two minds now: whether to play his natural game or conserve himself and its all because of selectors. He just needs to discover how to handle the long version of the game. I would recomend him that play your natural game when the bowler is bowling crap or a bad ball is bowled and conserve yourself when the bowlers are really firing.

Trust me when I say, the day he finds his rhythhm he will be one of our best test player and will be a great asset to the team. So, let him play and get used to the longer version of the game. He should be made to think about his position in the team but do not put extra pressure on him which may lead to a bad show in the field.
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shimraj
April 12, 2006, 01:53 PM
With all due respect, I think Aftab does not have the test match temperament. He is a good one day player. how about Musfiqur Rahim. Poor Mushfiq just got axed after 1 test against SL. I think he needs more chances. Alok Kapali is another good choice. He has all round performance and is a composed batsman. He doesn't play loose shots. We need some cool headed good basmen who can carry on the 2nd innings batting.

Tigers_eye
April 12, 2006, 02:01 PM
I am against in shuffling players in the middle of the series. One has to have opportunity to see out the entire series and then the selectors can decide. Having said that and we all saw what the chief selector branded Aftab with, it will not surprize me if we see a change. Just like NI was kicked out because of his outrageous shots. With 2/3 over left on the 3rd day, aftab's shot was uncalled for. I am sure before he came out to bat the coach had reminded him at what was at stake and what his role was. This is not because of the pressure that was created by the selectors. The blame belongs solely on Aftab. So if the selectors make a change (even though I wouldn't like it) that would only prove that the selectors are being consistant in handing out punishment.

zakirc
April 12, 2006, 02:04 PM
Not only Aftab should be continued in Test Matches, we should actually offer him a permanent place in the test side for about 10 tests so that he can implement the required adaptation for test matches while playing his natural game.

Bangladesh do not have too many batsmen of Aftabs caliber and we need to extend full support to him so that he can serve the country up to his full potential.

sadi
April 12, 2006, 02:05 PM
If Aftab will get punished, then bashar and mashud should also get punished... but since thats not gonna happen, why have double standard

Miraz
April 12, 2006, 02:05 PM
Aftab is really the shadow of original Aftab. He lost his self beleif due to stupidity of our selectors. He was always in two mind and restricted himself from playing natural game. Aftab might get another chance in the 2nd Test but if he fails again it will be a long road for him to come back in the test squad.

fai_hasan
April 12, 2006, 02:06 PM
[edit] Aftab is the only all rounder who performs superbly in every field. the series has just began. wait and watch for my boy to play.

shimraj
April 12, 2006, 04:04 PM
Not only Aftab should be continued in Test Matches, we should actually offer him a permanent place in the test side for about 10 tests so that he can implement the required adaptation for test matches while playing his natural game.

Bangladesh do not have too many batsmen of Aftabs caliber and we need to extend full support to him so that he can serve the country up to his full potential.

This is exactly the reason why Ash is not playing well. He thinks his presence in the team is permanent and no one can remove him from his spot. If any player wants to be in the team, he has to show his worth consistently.
But I know BD doesn't have a good pool of players where the selectors can choose player to replace someone. I am sure when that pool becomes full, all the players will be automatically forced to play good. Just a matter of time.

shimraj
April 12, 2006, 04:07 PM
If Aftab will get punished, then bashar and mashud should also get punished... but since thats not gonna happen, why have double standard

Show me another player who has the capability of captaincy and at the same time an excellent batsman. Show me another world class wicket keeper who is as good a batsman as Mashud is. So where is the double standard?

Omio
April 12, 2006, 04:21 PM
he must be..

Hatebreed
April 12, 2006, 05:04 PM
Even though I'm very disappointed by his batting, I can't blame him entirely. He showed weakness against the spinners and needs time to correct his mistakes and adapt to the situation when the team needs him most. Right now he needs support, confidence from senior members and advice on his batting style. I hope he'll come up with a better performance in the next match.

cricketboy
April 12, 2006, 05:07 PM
Kapali should be in for Aftab for 2nd test.

layperson
April 12, 2006, 05:46 PM
Kapali should be in for Aftab for 2nd test.


:mad: :mad: ...... can i be more angry at hearing this ????? .... nor can i be more confused ...... dont knw what scale u r usingto compare th two players but kapali doesnt even come close to aftab .... kapali has shown signs of improvement in the kenya series ....but as i said earlier he does not deserve a chance in the national squad now .... he has to wait till sm senior players retire ... otherwise i dont see ne reason for omitting neone frm this team to give kapali of all ppl a chance .........

sadi
April 12, 2006, 06:03 PM
Show me another player who has the capability of captaincy and at the same time an excellent batsman. Show me another world class wicket keeper who is as good a batsman as Mashud is. So where is the double standard?

Well I guess you missed the point... I know Sumon and Pilot are irreplaceable right now... my point was just because of one shot, noone should be dropped and for that reason, aftab deserves another chance....

zmahbub
April 12, 2006, 06:24 PM
Well I would keep him out of the team if I had a better replacement. Since we dont have any at moment, he is ok...just plays too many shots

istiak
April 12, 2006, 06:47 PM
i hope he will stay but the way he got out was difficult to digest.... i just cann't forget 1st day afternoon and his poor shot selection.....

BappyHayat
April 12, 2006, 06:49 PM
If the selectors include him in the test side, they should give him the freedom to play his natural game - which unfortunately is not happening now

Bancan
April 12, 2006, 07:18 PM
he should stay. kapali shld come in the team in the next match.

ammark
April 12, 2006, 07:43 PM
Aftab should play instead of Ash, and Kapali should be in Aftab's batting slot. This is a test match, and even a 40 ball hanging-around session is better than half that. We cant bludgeon Aftab's confidence more by kicking him out all of a sudden, and we cant tolerate 2 idiots. So I'd pick Aftab, the lesser of the two evils since Kenya series started! It would also punish Ashraful for his attitude. 3-in-1 option here for BD cricket!

mshakir56
April 12, 2006, 08:35 PM
According to the First Test, he doesn't deserve to be in the test team. Lets see if he can improve in the second test.

mildwind
April 13, 2006, 02:27 AM
Time for ashraful to take a bit rest like rajin and come back again. Aftab should be allowed to play natural game. His natural defense is offense. When he is forced to do other way, he wont be successful. IF he can score so fluently in ODI, why not in test? He has the ability. Let him decide which way to play.

Shakalaka
April 13, 2006, 02:43 AM
Ashraful should get serious consideration to be dropped. This fella is good for nothing. Once in a blue moon he hits something.

Sovik
April 13, 2006, 03:03 AM
Ashraful is a total waste. he has the talent but he is too arrogant to use it. he is the only batsman in the team to play all the shots but some how he manages to play the wrong shots.

Same goes for aftab. he has a tendency to play the ball on the air. he is aggressive but he was confused about his style, whethter he should go after the bowlers or defend everything.

Khaled masud is not as good as he was before with the bat and that should be taken in consideration. i am not saying he should be dropped but our batsman should remeber that and play sensibly. cause when pilot comes to bat he can only support the batsman on the other end and build up a partnaership. and for that a good batsman is neccessary to be on the other end. aftab should realise that when he gets out our tail is exposed. so he should not play rash shots and choose shots carefully.

i don't see any good players in place of aftab. Nafees iqbal is an opener and he will take omar's place sooner or later. and tusher imran is no good in national team. he is another "Rokon". So ashraful and Aftab should realise their importance in the team and play accordingly for our country's sake

BanCricFan
April 13, 2006, 03:05 AM
Aftab should not be in Test side against champion spinners like Warne and Mcgill. He doesn't have a clue how to play proper spinners and in this match his technique was absolutely owefull! Also, temperment is not his greatest forte! He is very good for the ODIs,though!

I know it will be tough against Aftab (just one match) but I want to see Kapali in his place for the second match.

mhferdaus
April 13, 2006, 03:07 AM
Ashraful is a total waste. he has the talent but he is too arrogant to use it. he is the only batsman in the team to play all the shots but some how he manages to play the wrong shots.

Same goes for aftab. he has a tendency to play the ball on the air. he is aggressive but he was confused about his style, whethter he should go after the bowlers or defend everything.

Khaled masud is not as good as he was before with the bat and that should be taken in consideration. i am not saying he should be dropped but our batsman should remeber that and play sensibly. cause when pilot comes to bat he can only support the batsman on the other end and build up a partnaership. and for that a good batsman is neccessary to be on the other end. aftab should realise that when he gets out our tail is exposed. so he should not play rash shots and choose shots carefully.

i don't see any good players in place of aftab. Nafees iqbal is an opener and he will take omar's place sooner or later. and tusher imran is no good in national team. he is another "Rokon". So ashraful and Aftab should realise their importance in the team and play accordingly for our country's sake

ah ... why do we forget so easily?

did you notice in which manner did ash got out? both of them lbws and both of them missing the l ( leg ).

TAQATOO
April 13, 2006, 03:11 AM
Everybody is talking about Aftab to axed from the team. Why ?
1. He doesn't score many runs in this two innings? (Ash does less then him)
2. He don't have a solid defence (Bashar also)
3. He is a one-day player (There is nothing in BD as one-day or test speacialist, remember Rajn enter into the squad making a one-day century and that is against Kenya)
4. He plays too many shots (Ash also).
Remember that not a single excuse can ruled him our from the test squad. Someone might say that Ash is more experienced then Aftab. What is the value of that experience that can't help the tem to rescue from trouble. Aftab stays 73 min. in second inngs while ash might be 15-20 min. (As i m not sure). But still if ash got a second chance after showing this poor performance for a long time and hang around with the team, how could u axed aftad for just one test performance within one year or so.

BanCricFan
April 13, 2006, 03:11 AM
IF he can score so fluently in ODI, why not in test?

Well, Test and ODI are not the same! One can be one dimensional in the ODIs and get away with it but not in the test!

crickwizard
April 13, 2006, 03:27 AM
Play the same winning (well, almost) combination on 2nd test

ammark
April 13, 2006, 03:45 AM
ah ... why do we forget so easily?
Please ask yourself your own question. Ashraful may have been unlucky to be out, but he was lucky to be in after facing all those other balls. His attitude and shots were obnoxious at times. And his batting seemed far from the composed and tempered attitude that was required - in both the innings when he came to bat! It is continually irresponsible of him.

This is why I am so annoyed by people calling for Aftab's head. Just because Ash has a few centuries doesnt make him the better option. In both innings, Aftab did better in building a partnership than Ashraful, and scored more runs too. If you are calling for Aftab to sit it out, then take Ash with you.

But if you think you want an aggressive player, its high time Ashraful gets punished and is made to sit out and correct himself like Rajin, and Aftab should be given his slot. Aftab - because he's been wrecked by the selectors decisions and comments and expectation! There should be none of these ruining the future career of a promising player! We owe him a chance to correct himself. Kapali should not be brought in at Aftab's expense, he should be there to fill the slot if and when Ashraful goes.

shaoun
April 13, 2006, 08:12 AM
Aftab is really the shadow of original Aftab. He lost his self beleif due to stupidity of our selectors. He was always in two mind and restricted himself from playing natural game. Aftab might get another chance in the 2nd Test but if he fails again it will be a long road for him to come back in the test squad.
aftab is a great player for both odi and test. he was dropped against srilanka which i believe was a mistake. he just had a bad game. i think he should play his natural game. he is a great talent and i think he is equally good for both test and odi. he needs little more time to make an impact in test. i am sure he will come back and perform well in second test.

fwullah
April 13, 2006, 08:53 AM
As long as we're not hoping for test draws or playing test matches to draw them, all our ODI specialists should play in Test cricket. Because this is the place for the experienced and inexperienced youngsters where they have some time to learn. And when our players - youngsters especially, are not learning after playing tons of test matches, if they're repeating the same mistakes, then they should go. And Ashraful falls in that category, whereas Aftab has not had enough time in test cricket to really realize what test match cricket is all about, and it was criminal for Bashar to get himself runout in such a crucial time!Talking about learning, I had seen Mashrafee had grown some attitude in the 1st test, which clearly shows that he needs to learn something about his attitude (And it clearly showed that even though he may have played for Bangladesh for ages, his time of actually spent during injury had not helped him to mature as expected). On the other hand, Rafique had proved to us that how valuable is an experienced player when he is on song.

Carte Blanche
April 13, 2006, 09:10 AM
I don't necessarily agree with the problems arising from his lack of technique. Most of our players don't have sound techniques, barring Ashraful. His main problem lies in his approach towards the game. His aggression isn't controlled, a vice he shares with his mate Ash.

It will be unfair to sit him out in the 2nd test. He hasn't done anything horribly wrong. Besides, too much chopping and changing in a team that was 70-80 runs short of beating the world's best team, isn't a good idea. They have a chemistry and it seems to work very well - in fact, better than most other cricket teams you will find around the world. Aftab deserves more opportunities to establish himself in the team and translate his chances into runs. If he continues a poor run at the end of this series, only then should we re-evaluate his necessity in the team and search for alternate options. Don't forget that we already have a resurgent Tushar Imran and a hard-done Kapali knocking at the door. I'm sure Aftab is aware of that. Hopefully he will pick up his game and play more responsibly not for himself, but for the sake of his team.

sadi
April 13, 2006, 09:37 AM
Totally agree with you carte... I can't believe people has already started talking about dropping ash... I mean come on... I know he is irresponsible and all but give him another chance... he just made a century few test ago... same goes with aftab... he was quite impressive on both innings eventhough the way he got out was kinda disappointing... I m sure he will learn things with time and will only gonna get better... we have a bright future ahead of us with young players like ash, aftab or shahriar nafees getting valuable experiences

Shaan
April 13, 2006, 10:32 AM
:mad: :mad: ...... can i be more angry at hearing this ????? .... nor can i be more confused ...... dont knw what scale u r usingto compare th two players but kapali doesnt even come close to aftab .... kapali has shown signs of improvement in the kenya series ....but as i said earlier he does not deserve a chance in the national squad now .... he has to wait till sm senior players retire ... otherwise i dont see ne reason for omitting neone frm this team to give kapali of all ppl a chance .........

sorry can't agree with you, may be in your view Aftab is kinda genoius as he proved with two innings that he is not near to paly test yet. Perhaps good option for one day. One the contrary Alok is far more pact batsman with the calm donw mentality(which we need most in the test) and very much able to play with the full face of bat which was very much lacking from Aftab. I'm also fan of Aftab for his oneday playing style, but from last two innings I see he needs more time for test. Aftab was more like kinda addicted to risk some big shots, and he got his prize

Kapali deserve always with the team, there are plenty of players in current team not doing much better than Kapali, so give up break mate.

sufism
April 13, 2006, 11:26 AM
Shaan bhai, ekkere amar moner kotha ta koiya falaisen. kintu boss somossa hoilo team management mone hoy na kapali-re test-e khlabe. ami nije ekjon die hard kapali fan, kintu eta mani j kapali-r bowling ta ekkebare gese. joghonno. jodi or bowling tay ektu strength thakto amar mone hoy o aftab ke replace kore felto. tobuo ami kapali ke chai next match-e.

sar2005
April 13, 2006, 11:33 AM
Unless selectors can motivate aftab to play his natural game, he would be dropped and Kapali will be back. I agree Kapali is not in his good days with the ball but have to remember a test hatrick against pakis. Provided that the pitch will be turning, we may want to try to add one more occasional spinner in the team. And if his bat sings, it would terrefic for BD.

mildwind
April 13, 2006, 01:53 PM
I dont know whether everybody will agree with me. It seems to me that Aftab is a more consistent than Ash. All he needs right now is a healthy score to start with. We can wait till than as we have been waiting for Ash to play a good knock.

rudro
April 13, 2006, 03:19 PM
Don't even think about it!

ammark
April 13, 2006, 05:59 PM
I dont know whether everybody will agree with me. It seems to me that Aftab is a more consistent than Ash. All he needs right now is a healthy score to start with. We can wait till than as we have been waiting for Ash to play a good knock.

Absolutely - I agree fully. If we can wait for Ashraful, we MUST wait for Aftab too. He's been toyed with as it is!

Anher
April 13, 2006, 06:17 PM
A big NOOOOOOOO!! He and His no 6 position, temperment, style is useless against McGill or australian spin attack. I always wanted him in Test team before the series. Its time now face the reality. I know its hurts. We are a much more balance team now. Some good inform player are waiting in Squad. Bring Alok in...we will get one more bowler....