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DJ Sahastra
April 13, 2006, 04:26 PM
All these consolatory messages - fighting display, good performance all are a hogwash. The truth is, there aws a match to be won and definitely NOT to be lost. I would've understood if it had ended in a draw. But loss - this is unacceptable. No Sir, i am not buying and not taking any consolation from this one. It is worse than the Multan test. You had Aussies on their knees and not literally but ACTUALLY, not for one or two sessions but for a good two days. You had their reins, you had them shackled and all you needed to do was to just give them a push.

This is unacceptable. This defeat is as much unforgivable as unforgettable. Sorry, i can't derive any positives nor am i optimistic that this kind of display will do any good to anyone's morale. Such defeats can be very dampening to the spirits - it can create self-doubts.

There are no positives here. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

For two full days, BD team played like the Aussies and Aussies like the BD team of the yesteryears. Then somehow BD team decided to shoot themselves on their foot. More like hitting their leg on the axe. More like "Hear, take it". The role reversal started from day-three session one itself. My instincts told me it was bad. My worst fears came true.

This was the precise moment when Dave Whatmore's years of experience was needed. It was needed during the last session of day-2 and throughout day-3. The match changed it's course then. Day-3 was also the moment of reckoning for a certain Mr. Bashar.

In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team. And i am at loss of sense to derive any thing consolatory or positive out of this.

Hatebreed
April 13, 2006, 04:46 PM
I can understand your frustration, as I'm also very disappointed by what could have been the biggest upset in cricket history. It was BD's typical downfall in the 2nd inning that allowed Aussies to come back into the game. I just hope the our players will realise where they've failed constantly and need to improve soon if we are gonna beat or even draw against the top team.

Ajfar
April 13, 2006, 08:03 PM
hey hey....chill out...dav ain't going nowhere....we still hav another test...if bangldesh did it in this test...i'm pretty sure they hav something for us in the next one....i'm just one of those fan who always dreams and thinks something gud will happen...hopefully i'm right.....

Ishtylish cricketer
April 13, 2006, 11:09 PM
In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team. And i am at loss of sense to derive any thing consolatory or positive out of this.
Are you a Bangladeshi cricket fan or even Bangladeshi? Based on your comments it is extremely unlikely that you are Bangladeshi and even if you are than you are a disgrace for not applauding our boys efforts. Winning is a habit and it takes time to develop. I have a good Idea of where you are from and who are you kidding man? Do you know how long it took your country to become a decent cricketing nation? The only teams your country used to win not too long ago against only new comers such as Zimbawae and Srilanka. I know your country does have one big accomplishment but I can say that too was a fluck since you didn't see that kind of a performance by this guy again and in fact I don't think he has ever gotten close to that score ever again in ODI. So who are you kidding? Sure everyone can give us encouragements when we somehow find a way to win but too often we receive harsh remarks. The so called constructive criticism seem like this bdcricket member said "destructive" criticism. I have said it again and unfortunately i will have to say it again. Why did you join this site if you are not Bangladeshi cricket fan nor bangladeshi or at least well wisher? I mean I understand as many people join different forums for links of cricket matches but I think we only give links or mostly give links for Bd matches. But dude since according to you and everyone else who is not Bangladeshi that we are horrible than why would you join this forum? To give us advice? I think we would be ok without your advice and you should give some advice to some of the batsman who are struggling at moment in your team there are at least 2 batsmen in such state in your team.
Bottom line is that we need some more time to develop the stamina, we almost did it and there is no reason for me to believe that we won't beat them. This was the greatest accomplishments by Bd to date. Sure we won a series against Zimbawae but we were expected to win than. Against Australia who are #1 in ranking and on paper it was obviously supposed to be boys against men. But to the surprise of many haters like you, we showed that we have just as many bones in our spine as rest of the cricket playing nations. Obviously we needed to win to make a statement but the fact that we had Ricky Ponting and Gilchrist fighting for runs that is an accomplishments itself. There is a saying in bengali that bindu bindu kore Sindhu toyrii hoy!! And no i will not translate it for you! That test match proved that we do belong in the test arena. I can make harsh remarks about whichever country you're from as well but I choose not to as I know better. All I know all the Bd haters including Mark Richardson who complained about the need for better match practice than Bangladesh before playing against Australia obviously doesn't know that it took Newzeland long time i think 26 years if memory serves me well before winning a single test series. Were talks of this then? And worst of all is India not wanting to play against Bangladesh because they will not draw fans? What does ICC do? Nothing!!! You wonder why that is. This is ridiculous man. But you know what, this motivates bangladeshi players and thanks a lot for doing that. here is no better feeling than proving someone wrong and shoving it up their a!#$%. Bangladesh did that against Australian in ODI in England and we will do it in the test as well. Just need time. I hope we can do it against which ever country you are from. Mark my word man you will see us beat your team in tests as well I have a good idea of where you could be from. Australia is aging and so is yours! You guys have been playing cricket for a long time and I am well aware of your cricketing accomplishments and failures.
Again Bd needs time and I am willing them to give that time if they improve in this manner. Here's something I bet you didn't know. Heck our former captain Aminul Islam was a soccer player in his days. That tells you that we started out with nothing to be in this place... and flirting with a test victory I feel proud man and ain't nothing you say gonna take that away. I don't want anyone giving us false praises but I sure would like us to get some accolaids when we do do something well. I am too sick to type anymore but I think I made my point clear.

Mr-Cricket
April 14, 2006, 12:32 AM
In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team.
Call me crazy, but I think Australia deserve this gong for that game at Eden Gardens, Calcutta - all those years ago. You only need to refer back to games at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge during last years Ashes to see that these kinds of feats are possible. England had a 99 run lead in the 2nd test, and a mamoth 259 run lead in the 4th test (causing Australia to follow on) after the first innings. They eventually won those two games by a margin of just 2 runs, and 3 wickets, respectively (In the 2nd test, England posted 407 in the 1st Innings and then just 182 in the 2nd). And this is the world's two best sides going at it. (The 3rd test at Old Trafford, too, saw England set a 142 run first innings lead, only to see Australia fight-back for a remarkable draw).So you see, an 'upset' in this game was always on the cards (no disrespect to Bangladesh).

Zunaid
April 14, 2006, 12:51 AM
Are you a Bangladeshi cricket fan or even Bangladeshi? Based on your comments it is extremely unlikely that you are Bangladeshi and even if you are than you are a disgrace for not applauding our boys efforts..

You must not know DJ. DJ is an Indan subhakhanki of Bangladesh as his many posts here attesst. His post was another ecample of the pain we Bangladeshi fans feel after the loss.

insideedge
April 14, 2006, 02:46 AM
DJ has expressed the anguish of non Bangladeshi fans very well. I will think better of giving vent to my anguish, lest Ishtylish cricketer come up with another anti India harangue.
So, to be in the good books of Ishtylish cricketer- let me say that It was a great performance by Bangladesh, so what if they did not win. Let them keep the opposition outplayed for three days, only to lose on the fourth or fifth day.

To curry further favour, let me add that Indian cricket team is rubbish and all their cricketing achievements till date are fluke.

Ejaj
April 14, 2006, 04:54 AM
DJ....... I agree with u from top to bottom. The defeat is just so much not acceptable.. adn i was soo furious of Bashar's captaincy in the last one hour of day2 .. that.. I somehow lost my temper. got a warning from MOD not to have such hatered and not to stuff the thread with boring wining.. I Am glad to see someone else think like me ,,and not take any satisfaction what so ever from this performance.

Istylist vai.. I dont think.. its wise to make any personal attack on another fan. Does his nationality have anyting to do with supportng BD??.. u really need to open up ur mind before posting anyting.

Spitfire_x86
April 14, 2006, 05:26 AM
It's funny how a true supporter of BD team like DJ get bashed by some narrow minded fans for speaking their mind, while insideedge keeps posting derogatory stuff about our cricket and hardly ever gets attacked.

Anyway, I have to agree with DJ to some degree. If we don't win a test against any of the top test nations within 1-2 years, this test will be forgotten by rest of the cricket world, just like the Multan test.

Miraz
April 14, 2006, 05:32 AM
There are no positives here. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

For two full days, BD team played like the Aussies and Aussies like the BD team of the yesteryears. Then somehow BD team decided to shoot themselves on their foot. More like hitting their leg on the axe. More like "Hear, take it". The role reversal started from day-three session one itself. My instincts told me it was bad. My worst fears came true.

This was the precise moment when Dave Whatmore's years of experience was needed. It was needed during the last session of day-2 and throughout day-3. The match changed it's course then. Day-3 was also the moment of reckoning for a certain Mr. Bashar.

In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team. And i am at loss of sense to derive any thing consolatory or positive out of this.

DJ, positives are there if we can really take it and use it in coming test. I abolutely agree with you we badly needed Whatmore's year long experience during that havoc on 3rd & 4th day.

'In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team'. anothet very true comment. I am hoping next time Bangladesh will not allow same thing to happen.

AsifTheManRahman
April 14, 2006, 05:59 AM
DJ was simply voicing his frustration, the same frustration that a whole lot of us experience every now and then, out of love for our team. this just goes to show that he is a genuine fan, and not what istylish suggested he is here.

anyways, although i don't agree with DJ iin that losses like these do nothing for the team's morale, i do think that we should've taken the match home. letting brett lee score 29 in the second inning, dropping ponting no matter how difficult a chance that was, our own second inning collapse are all very frustrating.

the boys do deserve some pat in the back, though. after all it's a team made of a bunch of U-23's and this test match was a huge leap in performance for them, AND i guess fans should always be there with their players - remember how the south africans were treated once they went home after they lost that famous world cup semi-final clash against the aussies?

but then again the frustration is understandable.

fwullah
April 14, 2006, 06:30 AM
"dav ain't going nowhere"I am afraid the harsh reality is that we still have not matured enough as a cricketing nation to beat a test team of superior strength than us yet. I was really surprised to see the attitude of the newsreports after the first two days, when we were doing so good, every bangla report was saying as if we were in heaven already. The attitude was as if it is not possible for us to do so well in test matches for us. After reading those reports, even though I had wanted our players to beat Australia, I was actually 'afraid' of what might happen if we had really done it. May be some of our top bosses would lose their heads and start firing people, like Dav Whatmore stating that we don't need him anymore since we have done it ourselves. I was thinking this way because I have already seen it. After we defeated Pakistan in the WC 1999, we started thinking in such a way that we even hired Trevor Chappell, a specialist fielding coach, and then later Mohsin Kamal, a coach who is not supposed to be the coach of any test playing nation, let alone a 'newborn' test playing country. And our grounds were not properly taken care of, our indoor stadium, practice nets, bowling machines for the national team were not properly maintained, our selectors started dropping experienced players like Bulbul, Akram and that, just 1 year before the world cup - in short, it all started a chaos in Bangladesh Cricket. That is why I prefer the 'slow', but 'steady' way from where we won't be in a position to lose to teams like Canada in the future.

Tigers_eye
April 14, 2006, 09:28 AM
If the expectation before the match was "Yeah, we would win the match easy" then the loss would have been unexceptable. But if the expectation is "you suck, the match will end with in 3 days" then the result shold not hurt that much. I recall DJ saying this series would be a one sided one (favoring australia) something in that line. So am not sure why this out cry?

May be the match made him a true out and out BD fan and changed his entire outlook on the BD team and he started to believe BD would win the match before the match ended. Yes, then it would hurt, he would feel exactly how some of us feel now. Our expectation level has been raised to the stratosphere.

Hasib
April 14, 2006, 10:05 AM
DJ totally agree with you. Since we have not won this match at the end of the day its another defeat. If we could have won this game it would have been a big slap on the face for our critics and may have been the decisve blow that may have shut them up for good. But as we have fail after a few months have passed they will be back at us once more.

bhobishshot
April 14, 2006, 10:45 AM
All these consolatory messages - fighting display, good performance all are a hogwash. The truth is, there aws a match to be won and definitely NOT to be lost. I would've understood if it had ended in a draw. But loss - this is unacceptable. No Sir, i am not buying and not taking any consolation from this one. It is worse than the Multan test. You had Aussies on their knees and not literally but ACTUALLY, not for one or two sessions but for a good two days. You had their reins, you had them shackled and all you needed to do was to just give them a push.

This is unacceptable. This defeat is as much unforgivable as unforgettable. Sorry, i can't derive any positives nor am i optimistic that this kind of display will do any good to anyone's morale. Such defeats can be very dampening to the spirits - it can create self-doubts.

There are no positives here. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

For two full days, BD team played like the Aussies and Aussies like the BD team of the yesteryears. Then somehow BD team decided to shoot themselves on their foot. More like hitting their leg on the axe. More like "Hear, take it". The role reversal started from day-three session one itself. My instincts told me it was bad. My worst fears came true.

This was the precise moment when Dave Whatmore's years of experience was needed. It was needed during the last session of day-2 and throughout day-3. The match changed it's course then. Day-3 was also the moment of reckoning for a certain Mr. Bashar.

In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team. And i am at loss of sense to derive any thing consolatory or positive out of this.

Good post DJ. I definitely think it was ours to win. I think we started to lose the match on day three. We had Australia cornered and could have forced them to follow on. I think the Ausssies have won that mental battle. All we needed was Gillie's wicket and the truth is that Gillie was able to withstand that pressure and guide the ship to safety. As I did not watch the match, I can't tell whether we were able to create the kind of pressure that would have caused him to crumble. As I stayed up late that night and watched him tip toeing to his target (avoid follow on), I started having this horrible feeling that we are starting to lose this match.
When we were put into that same kind of pressure, we just got pressure cooked. 148 all out was failures in many areas. I don't know what Dav did, but Bahser getting run out was completely unexeptable. The good thing is that he himself recognizes that. I would say that Rafique might be the only one who is able to withstand this kind of pressure and actually elevate his performance on a consistant basis. Others can do it but not consistantly. This might be because of the average age of the team. Shahriar, Ashraful, Aftab, Mashrafee, Shahadat, Rajin, Enamul are all either in their early 20s or late teens.
We had started to lose control of the game on day three and were not able to take it back. I am sad about the loss but really not frustrated. In fact I am very hopeful.
Our bowling is consistantly improving. Our batting lacks the consistancy but is still improving. Right now, our batting ranges between midiocre to good most of the time and occasionally we have an outstanding innings, but we have bad innings more frequenly that the outstanding ones. It used to be bad all the time and we will have one midiocre innings. As much as I hate to see us lose, I can't be but optimistic. We have another test coming, and it would be a good test of the youngsters' fighting ability and a sign of improvement in their mental ability.

bhobishshot
April 14, 2006, 10:45 AM
All these consolatory messages - fighting display, good performance all are a hogwash. The truth is, there aws a match to be won and definitely NOT to be lost. I would've understood if it had ended in a draw. But loss - this is unacceptable. No Sir, i am not buying and not taking any consolation from this one. It is worse than the Multan test. You had Aussies on their knees and not literally but ACTUALLY, not for one or two sessions but for a good two days. You had their reins, you had them shackled and all you needed to do was to just give them a push.

This is unacceptable. This defeat is as much unforgivable as unforgettable. Sorry, i can't derive any positives nor am i optimistic that this kind of display will do any good to anyone's morale. Such defeats can be very dampening to the spirits - it can create self-doubts.

There are no positives here. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

For two full days, BD team played like the Aussies and Aussies like the BD team of the yesteryears. Then somehow BD team decided to shoot themselves on their foot. More like hitting their leg on the axe. More like "Hear, take it". The role reversal started from day-three session one itself. My instincts told me it was bad. My worst fears came true.

This was the precise moment when Dave Whatmore's years of experience was needed. It was needed during the last session of day-2 and throughout day-3. The match changed it's course then. Day-3 was also the moment of reckoning for a certain Mr. Bashar.

In the annals of history, this test will go down as the biggest let-up by any team. And i am at loss of sense to derive any thing consolatory or positive out of this.
Good post DJ. I definitely think it was ours to win. I think we started to lose the match on day three. We had Australia cornered and could have forced them to follow on. I think the Ausssies have won that mental battle. All we needed was Gillie's wicket and the truth is that Gillie was able to withstand that pressure and guide the ship to safety. As I did not watch the match, I can't tell whether we were able to create the kind of pressure that would have caused him to crumble. As I stayed up late that night and watched him tip toeing to his target (avoid follow on), I started having this horrible feeling that we are starting to lose this match.
When we were put into that same kind of pressure, we just got pressure cooked. 148 all out was failures in many areas. I don't know what Dav did, but Bahser getting run out was completely unexeptable. The good thing is that he himself recognizes that. I would say that Rafique might be the only one who is able to withstand this kind of pressure and actually elevate his performance on a consistant basis. Others can do it but not consistantly. This might be because of the average age of the team. Shahriar, Ashraful, Aftab, Mashrafee, Shahadat, Rajin, Enamul are all either in their early 20s or late teens.
We had started to lose control of the game on day three and were not able to take it back. I am sad about the loss but really not frustrated. In fact I am very hopeful.
Our bowling is consistantly improving. Our batting lacks the consistancy but is still improving. Right now, our batting ranges between midiocre to good most of the time and occasionally we have an outstanding innings, but we have bad innings more frequenly that the outstanding ones. It used to be bad all the time and we will have one midiocre innings. As much as I hate to see us lose, I can't be but optimistic. We have another test coming, and it would be a good test of the youngsters' fighting ability and a sign of improvement in their mental ability.

Ishtylish cricketer
April 14, 2006, 01:25 PM
DJ has expressed the anguish of non Bangladeshi fans very well. I will think better of giving vent to my anguish, lest Ishtylish cricketer come up with another anti India harangue.
So, to be in the good books of Ishtylish cricketer- let me say that It was a great performance by Bangladesh, so what if they did not win. Let them keep the opposition outplayed for three days, only to lose on the fourth or fifth day.

To curry further favour, let me add that Indian cricket team is rubbish and all their cricketing achievements till date are fluke.

I only gave my opinion and by no means you should abid by that. To me in my good books... man if are telling me that you expected this kind of a performance from Bangladesh before the start of play you must be lying! Even after the highs... I still knew that Australia could come back. Winning is a habit and against Australia most teams who win a fair amount including Pakistan, India, South Africa seem to crumble under pressure then who are we to beat Australia? Can you say before any match against any opposition that Australia is the underdog? You simply cannot. The thing is i get frustrated when even FANS from higher ranked teams start bashing us. We understand what we need to do to improve and play well in tests when there is no 4day first class matches in your country (I am talking about Bangladesh). Read the history of Indian cricket, Newzeland, Srilanka, zimbawae, etc. They all started out like us but with time they improved. All i ask is to give us time. We have been separated from Pakistan in 1971 and I think bangladesh started playing serious cricket by 1990s. In 10-15 years of cricket and oh yeah we have been awarded test nation after that. The reason the ICC gave declared us a test nation is because of the passion for this sport not because we were amazing. I am not saying India is bad right now but they too were bad at one point in their enfancy and once in awhile i like to remind them of that. I never said all the accomplishments that India achieved were fluke! I said that you can see Kapil's performance in a different wavelength as well. Listen Insideedge the world cup Indian won did anyone expect that type of performance (175) from Kapil? No. So if me as an outsider say this sounds bad and illogical whereas you discredit Bd for failing when tried hard to win despite not ever being in this position against Australia in a test match? Just like DJ thought we didn't accomplish much in that match because the results were not in our favour I can say in my opinion that could have been a fluke too... Even India is not expected to win against Australia at australia and i think in last tour they even beat India at India. I am mentioning India's name because the person who wrote this thread is Indian but that doesn't mean other countries don't do that us. Every other country does that us but I will no longer take that just because the countries of those fans are ranked higher. I AM CERTAIN ALL THE BANGLADESHIs CAN ATTEST TO THAT.
Coming back to history of bd cricket...
what is very telling of how new this sport was in Bd when we started out is illustrated by the fact that one of our first captain was a soccer player (I am talking about Aminul Islam Bulbul). He by the ways scored a century in his first test! People rarely talk about that. In the span of whatever amount of matches we played we have a guy who has test hat-trick. Learn to respect others and then you will get it back man. I love my country and if someone says something that is wrong against my country i will definitely defend it as I am sure you will too. We need to show the world that we can be aggressive too. I loved it when Ash responded well to Sanga's sledging... we need to show that we have just many bones in our spine as the other cricketing countries. Peace.

Ishtylish cricketer
April 14, 2006, 01:32 PM
DJ....... I agree with u from top to bottom. The defeat is just so much not acceptable.. adn i was soo furious of Bashar's captaincy in the last one hour of day2 .. that.. I somehow lost my temper. got a warning from MOD not to have such hatered and not to stuff the thread with boring wining.. I Am glad to see someone else think like me ,,and not take any satisfaction what so ever from this performance.

Istylist vai.. I dont think.. its wise to make any personal attack on another fan. Does his nationality have anyting to do with supportng BD??.. u really need to open up ur mind before posting anyting.

Listen man i don't think i should open up my mind as I think narrowed minded people who say more bad things about us that good don't deserve to take part in this forum. Read DJ Shastra's thread on trying out Ganguly as a batsman in bd? Just click on all of his posts and you will find it. He is indirectly saying that we can't develop good batsman. How long has it been since we started test cricket? This guy makes a mockery of our cricket and yet I shouldn't reply back? I am tired of hearing nonsense from other countries fans trying to show us the light. Believe me man i speak from experience and I most sure you will agree to that in general other countries fans give opinion in a way that degrades a lot of good things that Bangladesh has done to date.

kalpurush
April 14, 2006, 01:59 PM
I still can't believe how we could lost the 1st test! Agree with DJ in some point that it will surely kill our thrust of winning match against the mighty ones!!

sar2005
April 14, 2006, 02:42 PM
If we are back to our ususal innings defeat from next test matches, I would agree, Yes there was nothing in that match. It will also be considered as one more Multan tragic. But I can't agree that there were NO positives in the game. Haven't you seen a BD youngman's magnificent century? Haven't you seen a score of 350+ in a day? Haven't you seen how our legend Rafiq dominated the aussies? Haven't you see a true test fight of 5 days?? Now tell me, how many times you have see those from the BD team. Tell me how many team does that against AUS now a days?? Come on guys, you can't so miser in appreciating the performance. I understand a win is win and a lose is lose. Then why many of you said at the begaining that we want to fight? Not only we, experts also said the same and they just anticipated a crashing defeat for BD.

If we could win that match and then again start loosing all next matches badly, it could mean a one off. But, going forwards, if we can maintain the upward curve of our performance graph, I would definitely say that all the positives of this match starts paying off. If you want look for a long term possitiveness out of last game, perhaps we need to wait and see. However, one doesn't need to be an expert to appreciate the positives that we got from that game.

So, please be appreciative to our guys and say, "Well done BD! Keep it up!!"

sar2005
April 14, 2006, 02:51 PM
And see below to know what is the positives we got from the match ;)

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=15915

DJ Sahastra
April 14, 2006, 04:10 PM
Read DJ Shastra's thread on trying out Ganguly as a batsman in bd? Just click on all of his posts and you will find it.

I had a lengthy post and it got lost in the forum software somewhere. Nonetheless, let me make this very clear - I don't have ANY thread suggesting that Ganguly should be tried out as a batsman in BD. That particular thread, i believe, was started by a genuine Bangladeshi fan. I simply had a a post in that thread.

And even the solitary post by me was in the same vein as the thread - contemplation of a hypothesis.

There is limit to how far someone should let his terminal hatred dictate his thought-process.

Hasib
April 14, 2006, 05:25 PM
I had a lengthy post and it got lost in the forum software somewhere. Nonetheless, let me make this very clear - I don't have ANY thread suggesting that Ganguly should be tried out as a batsman in BD. That particular thread, i believe, was started by a genuine Bangladeshi fan. I simply had a a post in that thread.

And even the solitary post by me was in the same vein as the thread - contemplation of a hypothesis.

There is limit to how far someone should let his terminal hatred dictate his thought-process.

DJ don't mind the immature ppl on this forum....they will learn....one day.....

This is not a forum just for Bangladeshis. Its a forum for Bangladeshi FANS.

thebest
April 14, 2006, 07:31 PM
DJ well said. Damn it, we need to win. Nobody remember the loser. There is no positives. I am sorry to say. If it was our first year of test, I would take all those so called positives in both hands. Damn it we are in fifth year of tests. If we can not win when opposition is reeling, crowds are behind us, then I am sorry to say,we can not not win any where.
Thumbs up DJ.

bengaltiger
April 14, 2006, 09:34 PM
it is true that at the end of the day winning is the only thing that counts. stats won't say that bangladesh was 'close' on that particular match. i hope b'desh adapts that mentality. and i can cetainly envision a day when b'desh will play every match as a favorite...

PoorFan
April 14, 2006, 09:42 PM
You know, there are some people on this forum who repeatedly shouted that BD should NOT play big brothers in test cricket, rather play between Kenya, Zim and other associate teams, so that we can play compatible game and gain positives. When BD win series against Zim, they just forget about the logic of gain positive, and get shifted their mind to a depleted Zim issue. When we play against Kenya and dominate the series, they just lost interest to login in this forum, let alone share their thoughts on the positives we gained. When BD playing SL recently and competed 1st innings in both test, positives were unnoticed to those people, but not to Bashar co. Surprisingly when BD dominated a test against champion AUS for first 2, 3 days, and competed till 5th day, they find the logic of gain positive from a well competed match INVALID all of a sudden. May be they are always asking for something, which we dont have ( at that moment ).

If no positive out of that game for us, or nay other team from a similar test match, and it's all about win or loss, then what's the point of playing test between test nations? They should be playing associate team to keep the stat of win and full dominance intact.

Ejaj
April 15, 2006, 03:53 AM
Islyish :
I dont remember such post from DJ. I dont see any why are you so upset over him. He spoke similar like many BD fans who receieves this unfortunate even as someting of anger. I hade same and many more also had same. After 5 years of playing top level test cricket.. i just cant simply be happy wiht the thought that BD playes very well .. and took the game to 5th day. For me.. Isee. only one thing... BD lost again. Thats it. If we dont know how to kill a game.. then.. no matter what.. we wont gonna win any test. and Chance like this.. doesnt come that often. So.. I can see the frustation of DJ in me.. and i can feel his anger. I think.. DJ had been a real good supporter of BD like .. many others. So. .thats why. i ask u open up the mind and think rationally.

GuruTM
April 15, 2006, 10:20 AM
Listen man i don't think i should open up my mind as I think narrowed minded people who say more bad things about us that good don't deserve to take part in this forum. Read DJ Shastra's thread on trying out Ganguly as a batsman in bd? Just click on all of his posts and you will find it. He is indirectly saying that we can't develop good batsman. How long has it been since we started test cricket? This guy makes a mockery of our cricket and yet I shouldn't reply back? I am tired of hearing nonsense from other countries fans trying to show us the light. Believe me man i speak from experience and I most sure you will agree to that in general other countries fans give opinion in a way that degrades a lot of good things that Bangladesh has done to date.

I know where it comes from. :)

DJ Sahastra
April 15, 2006, 10:42 AM
Pls Delete.

DJ Sahastra
April 15, 2006, 10:43 AM
As i said earlier, i am sorry if it all sounded harsh. Positives to be derived from the match - absolutely. I am sure Bangla fans don't need me to tell them that this was a commendable effort and big leap in terms of performance. The world sat up and noticed. And every Test playing team will take Bangladesh more seriously from now on - or will be made to pay the way Aussies almost did.

My frustration - as also the anger and dejection is for a different reason altogether.

It is understandable when you play like a minnow and lose as expected. However, if you have raised your game and you have the opponent on the mat, you gotto deliver the finishing punch. You gotto win it. You just can't rest on the laurels of "Oh, we had a chance and we did well".

If Bangladesh had made like 280 in both inning and lost by the end of the 4th day, i won't be cribbing here. It would've been along the expected lines. However, that is not what happened. Bangladesh had played and dominated for 2 full days and had placed itself ina winning position. And when you do that, you gotto win it from there on. How else have the Test nations emerged out of the shadows of being called "minnows"? Once you have played yourself into a position of strength and dominance, you gotto take it to its logical conclusion. And this is even more applicable in case of an emerging Test-playing nation like Bangladesh since since opportunities, while they will come again, may not be so often or frequent. Every Team - SL, Zimbabwe, India, Pakistan, NZ - at some point, they did grab the opportunity that came their way and ran away with it. And by doing so, they made a statement in bold - we have arrived. Bangladesh team has made that statement too but it just falls short on the conviction part.

During the team-building phase and until Bangladesh has established itself firmly as one of the top Test team, every 10 or so Test, there will be an opportunity like the one that passed by, And they will have to be taken. This "letting it all go" started all the way from the first Test when BD scored 400 and had India in deep trouble at 150-odd for 6 before losing it's grip. The same story was revisited here after 45 tests. It is frustrating and mind-boggling.

I am not angry or frustrated with the defeat. It is not that i expected BD team to win the first Test before the start of the series. Nor did i expect them to last 5-days. It is just that after Day-2, i did expect them to win and least expected them to lose. And i am sure you'll all agree that it is a very reasonable expectation.

There are expectations based on the match-situation. That is where the let-down is. If i ignore the level of dominance during the first 2-days of the match and simply look at the final score - BD lost by 3 wickets on day-5, i'll probably be very happy and it would have exceeded all the expectations.

But sorry, i am unable to do that. And i am not so good with "constructive criticism", "destructive criticism" etc. I just speak my mind. Sorry if it sounds harsh.

Mr-Cricket
April 15, 2006, 10:58 AM
As i said earlier, i am sorry if it all sounded harsh. Positives to be derived from the match - absolutely. I am sure Bangla fans don't need me to tell them that this was a commendable effort and big leap in terms of performance. The world sat up and noticed. And every Test playing team will take Bangladesh more seriously from now on - or will be made to pay the way Aussies almost did.

My frustration - as also the anger and dejection is for a different reason altogether.

It is understandable when you play like a minnow and lose as expected. However, if you have raised your game and you have the opponent on the mat, you gotto deliver the finishing punch. You gotto win it. You just can't rest on the laurels of "Oh, we had a chance and we did well".

If Bangladesh had made like 280 in both inning and lost by the end of the 4th day, i won't be cribbing here. It would've been along the expected lines. However, that is not what happened. Bangladesh had played and dominated for 2 full days and had placed itself ina winning position. And when you do that, you gotto win it from there on. How else have the Test nations emerged out of the shadows of being called "minnows"? Once you have played yourself into a position of strength and dominance, you gotto take it to its logical conclusion. And this is even more applicable in case of an emerging Test-playing nation like Bangladesh since since opportunities, while they will come again, may not be so often or frequent. Every Team - SL, Zimbabwe, India, Pakistan, NZ - at some point, they did grab the opportunity that came their way and ran away with it. And by doing so, they made a statement in bold - we have arrived. Bangladesh team has made that statement too but it just falls short on the conviction part.

During the team-building phase and until Bangladesh has established itself firmly as one of the top Test team, every 10 or so Test, there will be an opportunity like the one that passed by, And they will have to be taken. This "letting it all go" started all the way from the first Test when BD scored 400 and had India in deep trouble at 150-odd for 6 before losing it's grip. The same story was revisited here after 45 tests. It is frustrating and mind-boggling.

I am not angry or frustrated with the defeat. It is not that i expected BD team to win the first Test before the start of the series. Nor did i expect them to last 5-days. It is just that after Day-2, i did expect them to win and least expected them to lose. And i am sure you'll all agree that it is a very reasonable expectation.

There are expectations based on the match-situation. That is where the let-down is. If i ignore the level of dominance during the first 2-days of the match and simply look at the final score - BD lost by 3 wickets on day-5, i'll probably be very happy and it would have exceeded all the expectations.

But sorry, i am unable to do that. And i am not so good with "constructive criticism", "destructive criticism" etc. I just speak my mind. Sorry if it sounds harsh.
Before I head off, I just want to say that I totally agree with everything you've just said. Although I did think your initial post went slightly overboard, good on you for speaking your mind. Nevertheless, it is funny how people tend to make more sense after 'giving it a few days'. :D

DJ Sahastra
April 15, 2006, 11:07 AM
Nevertheless, it is funny how people tend to make more sense after 'giving it a few days'. :D

Hard to stay angry for more than a 'few days'. It all wears off :D .

Ishtylish cricketer
April 15, 2006, 01:21 PM
I never said that Bd shouldn't have won and I too was as frustrated as you guys... but again you can't hope for a win against australia just like that. Winning is a building process and people need to accept that. Until you have a GOOD TEAM you will lose the close games. In close games you need to whole team to be good, especially in tests. I hate to point it out again but Bangladesh would have still won had it not been for that dropped catch. If we had really good fielders perhaps that catch would have been taken. How can you expect Australia to lose against Bangladesh when they have a 50-50 to win. We lost the match in Day four when Haydos and Punter played well enough to leave only 95 runs to win. If one's expectation is that Bd should win close matches, than obviously there's something wrong with that person. I knew after day 4 that barring a miracle Bd would not win. Most of you agree with DJ Shastra but to me it defies logic! On the fifth day it was probably at max 50-50 and you guys are extremely disappointed because BD lost. If you say you are disappointed because we were close to winning than I agree but DJ Shastra's post never mentioned that. When there is a 50-50 chance of winning most countries don't win against Australia, never mind Bd. My point was that DJ Shastra didn't give enough credit to Bd's accomplishments and yet he started talking about the negatives. Cricket's a mental game as well, if you think you're down because you lose how do you get back up? Also the reason why I stressed on the positives is because we do have another test to play against Australia and all the positives can taken from that the previous match. You won't worry about results untill you're a dominant team. Next time Bd will be in this situation against an opposition they might do better. That's how it works, you get better with experience. Had DJ Shastra and those who agreed known the history they would this loss and extract all the positives. Winning is a habit and you don't all of a sudden becomea winner... it takes few losses like that to build character. That was the point all along and this other guy is calling me immature... I too am speaking my mind. As far as DJ Shastra goes i agree that might have gotten angry at him for largely igoring the positives from the first test and furthermore that thread he posted which is was something along the line of "Should Ganguly play for BD" only added to the already villfied image of his in my head. I did take that personally. Sorry I don't know this guy personally nor do I read his posts enough to know what he is like but to me that post didn't show that he is a well wisher of Bangladesh cricket. I know many of the Bangladeshi people agreed with him but they also agreed that Bd deserved more praises than criticisms. The only reason i didn't get as mad as my fellow bangladeshis because I know that even if we criticise will still support Bd. But outsiders will only support or say good things only when Bd will win and say s!#% when we lose. I don't have anything more to say.

thasan
April 15, 2006, 03:52 PM
sorry sahastra...
cant agree with you.
it takes time to form a team formidable enough to challenge aussies and keep them under pressure for 5 days.
how do u think that bd is a changed team overnight even when SA failed miserably even in their own country?
get over it man.
bd played well, though they lost the game...

DJ Sahastra
April 16, 2006, 10:19 AM
Ishtylish Cricketer,

Upsets are not uncommon in either variation of cricket. Every major Test-playing nation, graduated to the big-league with one upset-win or the other.

The Test gone by had all the ingredients for that upset. After day-2, winning that Test shouldn't have been a miracle.

I still feel that the chances that came BD's way should've been taken and the match should've been won. It's only that i feel less passionate about it, for now. It's done with.

and furthermore that thread he posted which is was something along the line of "Should Ganguly play for BD" only added to the already villfied image of his in my head

And for the last time Sir, i DID NOT post that thread. I only posted in that thread. And it is not difficult to see that the thread was discussing a hypothesis and was not on any serious lines.

Ishtylish cricketer
April 16, 2006, 10:42 AM
Ishtylish Cricketer,

And for the last time Sir, i DID NOT post that thread. I only posted in that thread. And it is not difficult to see that the thread was discussing a hypothesis and was not on any serious lines.

I will take your word for it... I am done talking about this. I don't want to comment about that thread anymore.