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Anher
April 13, 2006, 07:20 PM
Aftab have raised concern about his test placement against Aussies. Before the series almost all BC members including me supported aftab to include in the test XI and blamed Selectors for continously basing him in. But i think its time to face the reality. He wasnt in control, out of temperment, wrong ball selection have changed my mind and more membes i think. I know he wasnt free to play shots as he usually do but thats what test cricket is. You have to have the sticky, temperment, bad ball selection ability in test. when he come to crease at no 6 spinner usually bowl and i have to say he is not comfortable at all against spin.

Lets have a vote to see whom most BC members want in no 6 postion.

FireBall
April 13, 2006, 07:28 PM
Agree!! Aftab is my favourate batsman. Wish he will learn quickly to back the test squad.

Hatebreed
April 13, 2006, 07:38 PM
Even though I'm very disappointed by Aftab's performance, it's probably wise not to replace him straight away coz it'll shatter his confidence as it is... but if he's to be replaced I'll go for Alok since he's also a leg-spinner he should have some understanding how to play Warne & MacGill.

AllOutAttack
April 13, 2006, 07:45 PM
Pretty disappoint. at least he shoulnt picked against Aus in 2nd Test. no 6 postion is very importnat for bangladesh thats where u need to stop the collusp.

HereWeGo
April 13, 2006, 09:04 PM
before i didnt believe the selectors word but now after seeing the match i do feel that he is a little vulnerable against quality spin bowling but doesnt mean he should be dropped. he can only learn by playing more..

Anher
April 13, 2006, 09:36 PM
before i didnt believe the selectors word but now after seeing the match i do feel that he is a little vulnerable against quality spin bowling but doesnt mean he should be dropped. he can only learn by playing more..

but u vote for dropping him:rolleyes:

OnTheStumpss
April 13, 2006, 10:51 PM
well...its not only aftab should go...Javed omar should have replaced by Nafis. He is still pathetic like always. Why wouldnt u give a when Nafis has learnt from his mistake and in form. He is solid batsman for opener.

Javed suckssss

BD Tigers
April 13, 2006, 10:58 PM
My vote goes to Alok. I know Alok hasnt done anything special but I always thought he cud be a good no 6 batsman. Aftab is still an ODI player.

Ishtylish cricketer
April 13, 2006, 11:11 PM
My vote goes to Alok. I know Alok hasnt done anything special but I always thought he cud be a good no 6 batsman. Aftab is still an ODI player.

I did vote for Alok and I agreed whole heartedly with your remark.

real123
April 13, 2006, 11:18 PM
Aftab is also my favorite but I think he should be out for his own good and can come back after showing some good performance in longer version games like 4 day macthes.
I went for Alok, I saw him agianst SL and he looked very confident against spin which he was lacking during the time he was dropped. But looked like he worked hard to get used to spins.

Also, I think we should make one more changes- Nafis should be in for Golla.

It would be a mistake if we selectors do not make any change, I belief by doing so Aus will need some time to have somekind of game plan for these players. New players will boost the energy level as well.

Dhakablues
April 13, 2006, 11:26 PM
Totally in agreement with real123. I think at this point its proven that Javed Omar is pretty consistent ( in his scoring 20 runs the most) and we need to replace him with nafis. Atleast the latter has the temparment, potential, skills to score more runs. For Aftab, his blood is still too hot for Test... so lets keep him for ODIs. Alok is a better option for his batting skills, useful legspins, superb feilding.. The question is will the selector break the winning ( glorious defeat) combination..?

DotBall
April 13, 2006, 11:34 PM
Aftab needs to stay away from Test cricket for sometime and should play in A team and domestic. For the 2nd test I would go with Alok. I am not in favor of knee jerk reaction but for his sack and BD team sack we should let him grow first.
Javed must stay, no nafis iqbal deal, he is a big time fisherman.

Ahmed_B
April 13, 2006, 11:49 PM
Sometimes we blame our selectors for being too shaky and losing faith on a player just after playing him in 1/2 matches.

Now it is us fans who are being inconsistant by losing faith in Aftab just in 1 match. And he did not do that bad either. He is a bad player of spin yet had to come out when the game was only spinning. :)

Mr-Cricket
April 14, 2006, 12:21 AM
Ridiculous really. How can so many of you vote for Alok. What has he done to warrant selection? Aftab deserves more than 1 Test to prove himself against the worlds best. I think you all have amnesia or something. Aftab had a poor first innings in the 1st Test against England last year (coming out in cavalier fashion and blasting a highly irresponsible 24 runs off 14 balls), but he bounced back hard and hit a wonderfull unbeaten 82 in the second innings of the 2nd Test. He deserves this chance to prove himself yet again. This is not the time to drop him.

irteja
April 14, 2006, 01:35 AM
Ridiculous really. How can so many of you vote for Alok. What has he done to warrant selection? Aftab deserves more than 1 Test to prove himself against the worlds best.

can not agree more...alok at 6 :E ....HELL NO...how many change alok need more to preform..he is the luckest cricketer in resent past...he cant score runs...he cant take wicket...what role he play in the team...how come this cricketer get so many chances....ALL THE ALOK LOVERS GIVE US A BREAK .....my vote goes to aftab...please let him play...

Spitfire_x86
April 14, 2006, 01:44 AM
Aftab, without any doubt.

Enough has been done to damage his confidence. He deserves lot more chances than just one in the next test.

layperson
April 14, 2006, 01:45 AM
dropping aftab is not at all a wise move ..... you have to give a player several matcvhes to prove himself ... time and again i hv mentioned this on this forum....dropping him will only make him more confused bcoz then he wont be playing his natural game and the only way he will be a success is by playing his natural game.... players like him dont perform every game by contributing 40 to 50 runs.... players like perform sporadically but with little gaps in between and when they do perform they take the match away or at least makes a significant difference... most importantly he has only played 10 test matches and has been already droppped sometimes in the past .... he has not got a long run to prove himself .. instead hi omission frm the sri lanka squad was a terrible decision whic dented his confidence and probaly made him confused about how he shud play ...i see tht alok is leading the polls which means a lot of you hv voted for him ...well it is opinion nd i respect it but i just want to ask this ...how much did alok score in the test matches with sri lanka even compared to aftab's two innings here against australia? i think the only reason alok is getting the vote is based on his one day performance against kenya more specifically his half century which was crucial against kenya ... does that really warrant a place in the test team .... i think not .... the thing is aftab is so talented nd so much is expected of him tht even whn he scores high 20's ppl r angry at him nd rightly so ..... but i m sure if alok had scored two 30 's ppl wud be singing his praise saying he did very welll ... thts coz expectations frm alok is not as huge as expectations frm aftab which is y aftab's failures come out looking big whereas everyone forgot tht alok had a looooonnnnnnnggggg run in which he proved what i think of him ... he is not worthy of playing in the national team at the expense of players much better than him.... nd his leg spin does not warrant a place in the team as well .... he is a terrible bowler .... his hattrick might hv been all luck as far as i m concerned... i saw tht test match nd i saw his bowling ... absolutely nothing to write home abt .. nd i hv seen his recent bowling as well .... he is a lesser replica of upul chandana for sri lanka ... does not turn the ball tht much nd just bowls line and length .... but for alok he does not turn the ball tht much doesnt hv variations in his bowling neither does he maintain line and length consistently ... at best he can be used in one day matches to bowl a few overs .... but thts it ...there is no comparison between alok and aftab in my opinion nd there is no doubt in my mind who is the better nd more deserving player.... if aftab gets a chance in the second test as well then i m sure he will prove the point ...

vv_sunil
April 14, 2006, 01:47 AM
i would prefer for alok in place of aftab. my mind says, alok will come back just as in the case of rajin... ashraful is also need a break....

layperson
April 14, 2006, 01:49 AM
ohh nd one more thing i forgot to mention .... my friend who played alongside me in my school cricket team was a better legspinner than alok kapali .... neone who is frm my school nd has seen him in action will vouch for tht .... so alok is utter rubbish where his bowling is concerned.... batting wise he is ok but definitely not comparable to aftab

rafiq
April 14, 2006, 02:02 AM
this thread will put a smile on Mushifqur Rahim's face as he bides his time!

I don't agree one bit about shattering alok or aftab's confidence by making a change. Both are in the squad and at least aftab figures prominently in the national team's rotation. Making a change for one game is not going to shatter his confidence. Having said that I don't know if Alok wil fare much better but at least he may not piss off people with a stupid dismissal at the end of the day as often. I was dissapointed to not see Aftab bowl when we only had two pacers - the #6 should be used to bowl as well, and Bashar hardly does that.

PoorFan
April 14, 2006, 02:37 AM
Sooner or later Aftab must have to play TEST cricket for us, He must have to learn how to build an innings and partnership. Having said the how bad Aftab may have done compare to Alok in NEXT test? I don't see much different except Alok's spin bowling, but we are not in short of bowler anyway. So what the point of dropping Aftab at this moment just after one test?

Besides, Aftab should have more chance compare to chance master Alok I think.

AsifTheManRahman
April 14, 2006, 06:33 AM
i think we are being a bit harsh on aftab here. we are showing the same kind of immaturity that our selectors have displayed year after year.

enough has been done to kill the guy's confidence in the first place. the selectors should simply have let him play his natural game, and picked him against sri lanka. he would probably have made a few mistakes, learnt the game on his own, and done a lot better against australia.

either you take him or you don't, and i was always in favour of including him in the test squad; and now that he's in, it will be very unfair to him if we dropped him after only a single test. the selectors should give him the opportunity to develop his game in this version. the last thing you want is a broken aftab trying to slow down his odi innings as well in an attempt to make it to the test XI, making a mess of everything and, eventually, missing out on the XI for the inter-para tournament.

Tigers_eye
April 14, 2006, 08:22 AM
Just like rajin he (Aftab) will learn. May be not at that rate but he would be more devastating test player in couple of years. At this age most of the aussies were working hard to get into their regional squad let alone in dealing in the international stage. We need him for the next Aus, Eng, SA, NZ away series.

sadi
April 14, 2006, 10:03 AM
Since we gave Aftab a chance in the first test, we have to go with him for the second test. We can't make the same mistake that we made with Kapali in Srilanka series where we gave him only one test to prove his worth. I really like Kapali and I know he will come back stronger than ever but right now I don't see him playing instead of Aftab. Aftab is one of the best batsman we got who is a little confused right now and need to work on his temperament and batting and it will be really devastating if he gets dropped for the second test. It will shutter his confidence and we can't do that to him.

truetruetiger
April 14, 2006, 10:38 AM
JO
S. Nafees
Bashar
Rajin
Ash
alok
pilot
rafique
masri
rajib
enamul
or if it is a bouncy pitch, replace enamul with rasel and make him no.10 batsman

BD Tigers
April 14, 2006, 11:04 AM
i like aftab , dont get me wrong. but i saw him playing and he looked clueless against warne and mcgill. Also his temparment is very questionable. His ugly sweep slog at the end of the day was utter nonsence. I know Alok hasn't done anything either. But I think he can play the spin and his temparment is alo better. We need more players like Rajin who will bat w/ straight bat and stay there. Not play aggressively all the time. Aftab will get better soon - i have that belief too.

anthrax
April 14, 2006, 11:23 AM
aftab is not at all fit for playing test cricket where u gotto have a rajin saleh kind of batting style.....his attacking wont do any favor to bangladesh test cricket...

so alok:)

rudro
April 14, 2006, 11:55 AM
Is this poll another attempt to somehow push Alok over Aftab or somebody else?

AsifTheManRahman
April 14, 2006, 11:57 AM
it is disheartening to see so many people calling for aftab's mundu. we are worse than we blame our selectors to be at times.

DotBall
April 14, 2006, 01:25 PM
Sometimes we blame our selectors for being too shaky and losing faith on a player just after playing him in 1/2 matches.

Now it is us fans who are being inconsistant by losing faith in Aftab just in 1 match. And he did not do that bad either. He is a bad player of spin yet had to come out when the game was only spinning. :)

Agree with you. Some fans did not want Aftab to play last match, but many deshi media kept nagging about taking him to the test. He is good but not ready. The delima is if we drop him now that might have some impact on him (if you does not read the message properly) and if we don't drop him he still might not get the message and continue trying to get his form by slogging few. What to do, what to do? :confused:

sadi
April 14, 2006, 01:38 PM
just let him play his natural game... that doesn't mean he is gonna try his slog sweep again but just to relax him a bit

zakir
April 14, 2006, 01:48 PM
How about replacing Golla by Rajin for opening. In that case
both Aftab and Alok will be able to play and we will have the option
of using Rusell in place of Enamul ( as we will have Aftab and Alok
to ball)

Beamer
April 14, 2006, 01:51 PM
Aftab has problems against spin. That much is obvious. He looked pretty lost when we visited SL last year. As a result, he was dropped from the test squad when SL came to play us. His talent is beyond doubt. Maybe the no.6 position in tests is doing him more harm than anticipated. He needs to curb his apetite for big aerial shots in the air. If he does that, he will get the occassional bad balls to hit. Playing high percentage shots are needed if you want to be a test batsman. If he plays, maybe he can bat up the order a bit. He can play himself in.

FaridpurChicago
April 14, 2006, 01:54 PM
I don't know why the Alok lovers want the Mundu of Aftab. Are you guys gone wild as you don't see your favourite batter. If Aftab loses his place for not performing then there are a lot of other players ahead of him. According to 2nd innings, Only Nafees, Golla and Rajin can stay. Everyone else should be dropped before thinking about Aftab. According to 1st Innings, Only bashar, Nafees and Rajin can stay if Aftab is dropped. Combining both the Innings, Only SN(171), Rajin(100) and Bashar(83) scored more than Aftab. If you talk about Aftab then why not Ashraful. You guys also pointing towards JO ! In both the Innings, the 1st wicket partnership was close to 50 that we have been looking for a quite long time.
Why don't you talk about Pilot. Doesn't a keeper need to score at all? What an irritating batting he has now a days. He took six balls to score the winning run in the 2nd ODI against SL. Stand up against Ash and Pilot, think about the team, not your personal liking.

Shaan
April 14, 2006, 02:28 PM
aftab is not at all fit for playing test cricket where u gotto have a rajin saleh kind of batting style.....his attacking wont do any favor to bangladesh test cricket...

so alok:)

I'm completely at your site...

DotBall
April 14, 2006, 02:28 PM
Whether it is Aftab or Alok it doesn't matter. As long as BD team is fighting hard and embracing opportunity to win, I am okay. Aftab, Bashar and Ashraful have all made crucial mistakes, but what is more disappointing is that they all lacked the imagination of winning the test match. If Alok or whoever (cricket player) can bring the infinite hunger for winning the next test match I am willing go with that person.

We already saw our bowlers showing the desire to get <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Australia</st1:place></st1:country-region> out even until the last ball, we just need 2 more batsmen to join SN to take it to Aussies and really win. Winning is a habit; we have all the skills we need to beat AUS or anybody but we must want it.

DotBall
April 14, 2006, 02:52 PM
I don't know why the Alok lovers want the Mundu of Aftab. Are you guys gone wild as you don't see your favourite batter. If Aftab loses his place for not performing then there are a lot of other players ahead of him. According to 2nd innings, Only Nafees, Golla and Rajin can stay. Everyone else should be dropped before thinking about Aftab. According to 1st Innings, Only bashar, Nafees and Rajin can stay if Aftab is dropped. Combining both the Innings, Only SN(171), Rajin(100) and Bashar(83) scored more than Aftab. If you talk about Aftab then why not Ashraful. You guys also pointing towards JO ! In both the Innings, the 1st wicket partnership was close to 50 that we have been looking for a quite long time.
Why don't you talk about Pilot. Doesn't a keeper need to score at all? What an irritating batting he has now a days. He took six balls to score the winning run in the 2nd ODI against SL. Stand up against Ash and Pilot, think about the team, not your personal liking.

For the 2nd test we need to replace him. We don't want to make another Ash our fo Aftab. He can get experience in A-team and domestic before coming back to Test.
As for Ash, he just needs to go. I hope they don't bring him back to test cricket; but for next test we don't have anybody who can come in and fill that position (3rd down).
As for Pilot, he is the best keeper we have and we need him to keep. I don't think Musfique is good enough keeper for test yet. Pilot has 40+ test match experience, I will bet on him than Musfique.

Miraz
April 14, 2006, 03:48 PM
How about replacing Golla by Rajin for opening. In that case
both Aftab and Alok will be able to play and we will have the option
of using Rusell in place of Enamul ( as we will have Aftab and Alok
to ball)

Not a bad idea!! But bringing Rajin in opening might destabilize middle order. In that case I will prefer to take Mushfiqur Rahim as a batsman instead of Alok. Mushfiq can settle the middle order of BD or we can also think to bring Tushar Imran back in the side

shamster
April 14, 2006, 04:22 PM
What joke looking at the votes ! its Aftab all the way and may be Rahim in the future. Its Ashraful who needs to go we need to win as a time not with one hit wonders every 30 innings or more

Sovik
April 14, 2006, 05:15 PM
aftab has a lot to offer in this team. i was disappointed to see him getting out in crucial time.

ammark
April 14, 2006, 05:40 PM
Aftab in place of Ash at 4, Alok in place of Aftab in 6. Just because aftab has been toyed with and his confidence shattered. He deserves more chance. And last thing he needs is to be suddenly discarded.

Ash on the other hand, needs a Rajin type lesson and punishment. He was reckless and arrogant in the way he carried his last 5 innings.

mildwind
April 14, 2006, 06:57 PM
I would like to see aftab for next 5-6 test matches where he will be able to play 10-12 innings in position 6. I believe that he is capable of taking any bowling attack in ODI as well as in test. As soon as he will have a go, I am preety sure BD will have a real asset for test cricket.

HereWeGo
April 14, 2006, 08:31 PM
but u vote for dropping him:rolleyes:

How did u know.... that was a Cliko (clicking mistake.... U know how Hang Overs are like) :D

cricket_pagla
April 14, 2006, 09:21 PM
Aftab still in the lead...
btw i voted 4 Aftab ;)

Special 1
April 14, 2006, 09:26 PM
Aftab should be replaced for this test if the track is spinner friendly. I would choose him in the squad, but if the wicket is anywhere like fatullah Alok would be the choice. Against the formidable aussi atack both will pretty much produce the same with the bat, but aloks bowling will definately come in handy. If it were a weaker bowling attack, Aftab would be a better choice.

thebest
April 14, 2006, 10:27 PM
why everybody is droping for Aftab. Why not Ash. He scores same run as Ash in 1st innings and 14 runs more in 2nd innings. Crucially he was a partner in two imporatnt partnership of 56 and 47 (the 2nd highest partnership in 2nd inng). Ok he was out in 2 foolish shot. But who were not starting from JO, HB, Ash, Masud. So why blaming him.
Alok in place of Aftab. Some one must be joking. Hell NO. Alok is niether a batsman not a bowler. He is good at odi but not a test material yet. give him time to establish in ODI
Rahim - I was supporter of Rahim's inclusion. But after seeing his batting againest SL, I feel he needs more time in 1st class and A team.He is too weak againest spin. As number 6 he have to be good at 6.
The betr idea might be swapping ash and aftab.

Mon
April 15, 2006, 02:33 AM
My confidence on Aftab has gotten bit shakey lately; so, ALok is my pick.I

Shafin
April 15, 2006, 05:01 AM
Alok for 6,Aftab for 5,Rajin for JO.

Shafin
April 15, 2006, 05:22 AM
হায়রে সমর্থকের গুষ্ঠি, দুদিন আগেই তো আফতাবকে বাদ দিয়ে অলোককে নেয়ায় ফারুকের মাথা চিবিয়ে খাচ্ছিলি।রাজিনকে দলে নেয়ায় কতো কথা বললি।তারপর রাজিন আর কাপালি একটা ম্যাচে ভালো করলো,আফতাব করলো খারাপ,অমনি ভোল পালটে ফেললি।
এখন তো আশরাফুলকে বাদ দিতে চিল্লাচ্ছিস,এখন যদি ও পরের ম্যাচে ভালো করে,তখন এসব মনে থাকবে তো?
যারা বলছিলো অলোক চন্দ্র সাহা,তারা এখন কই?আর যারা আফতাবকে টেন্ডুলকার বানিয়ে দিচ্ছিলো,তারাই বা কই?
রাজিন আবার খারাপ করা শুরু করুক,কাপালি দুইটা ডাক মারুক,তখন দেখা যাবে,কতো ধানে কতো চাল।

Miraz
April 15, 2006, 07:09 AM
হায়রে সমর্থকের গুষ্ঠি, দুদিন আগেই তো আফতাবকে বাদ দিয়ে অলোককে নেয়ায় ফারুকের মাথা চিবিয়ে খাচ্ছিলি।রাজিনকে দলে নেয়ায় কতো কথা বললি।তারপর রাজিন আর কাপালি একটা ম্যাচে ভালো করলো,আফতাব করলো খারাপ,অমনি ভোল পালটে ফেললি।
এখন তো আশরাফুলকে বাদ দিতে চিল্লাচ্ছিস,এখন যদি ও পরের ম্যাচে ভালো করে,তখন এসব মনে থাকবে তো?
যারা বলছিলো অলোক চন্দ্র সাহা,তারা এখন কই?আর যারা আফতাবকে টেন্ডুলকার বানিয়ে দিচ্ছিলো,তারাই বা কই?
রাজিন আবার খারাপ করা শুরু করুক,কাপালি দুইটা ডাক মারুক,তখন দেখা যাবে,কতো ধানে কতো চাল।

Well said Shafin. We need to keep our beleif on Aftab. He is a much better player than he played in first test. He was always in double mind and checked his natural play which resulted in his downfall. Same is happening with Shehwag in India, Shehwag is out of form because he restricted his natural play.

We should allow aftab to play his natural game and that will make him a better batsman.

Spitfire_x86
April 15, 2006, 07:51 AM
হায়রে সমর্থকের গুষ্ঠি, দুদিন আগেই তো আফতাবকে বাদ দিয়ে অলোককে নেয়ায় ফারুকের মাথা চিবিয়ে খাচ্ছিলি।রাজিনকে দলে নেয়ায় কতো কথা বললি।তারপর রাজিন আর কাপালি একটা ম্যাচে ভালো করলো,আফতাব করলো খারাপ,অমনি ভোল পালটে ফেললি।
এখন তো আশরাফুলকে বাদ দিতে চিল্লাচ্ছিস,এখন যদি ও পরের ম্যাচে ভালো করে,তখন এসব মনে থাকবে তো?
যারা বলছিলো অলোক চন্দ্র সাহা,তারা এখন কই?আর যারা আফতাবকে টেন্ডুলকার বানিয়ে দিচ্ছিলো,তারাই বা কই?
রাজিন আবার খারাপ করা শুরু করুক,কাপালি দুইটা ডাক মারুক,তখন দেখা যাবে,কতো ধানে কতো চাল।
সবার বেলায় এক কথা প্রযোজ্য না।

- আমি আগেও আফতাবকে টেস্ট দলে দেখতে চেয়েছি, এখনও চাই।
- আমি সাম্প্রতিক সময়ে অলককে টেস্ট দলে চাইনি, এখনও চাই না।

Anher
April 15, 2006, 11:08 AM
Its neck to neck contest going on between aftab n alok. Aftab points of view its a huge downfall of his popularity in test. Before the series aftab would have got 90% of vote in his preference. Well...whoever play tomorrow we want consistancy, tendency, responsibility which bear the indication of huge improvement of BD team as a Test team. " Talent without performance n temperment is useless".
But i would prefer aftab to play more non-international longer version cricket before stick his place in BD team. I want to see him come hard and through bowlers all the way around. He is my favourate.