View Full Version : Why so high on "Practice Match" Tushar and So low on "gets it once in a while" Ash?

cricman

April 24, 2006, 10:03 PM

Explain, Ok Ash doesnt always perform but I think he's got the formula right now 1 century for about every 2-3 tours and possibly a streak of 50's as well. Hey you may argue thats not good enough but live with it, your not gonna find anyone better.

Now heres Tushar Imran, A player who always performs in "Practice Matches" scored 225 vs some B side Indian cricket club, Dominated the Second String Counties, Did fairly well vs Sri Lanka A and always top the list in the NCL. But when puts on that BD uniform he's biggest choke artist I've ever seen.

You Call Ash an underachiver well this guy Tushar Imran is the biggest of them all. I don't know why Chacha retired he can take TI's spot anytime.

ghalib.imtiyaz

April 25, 2006, 01:11 AM

Tushar should be persisted with at least for 10 matches, before we can start talking about his average. Ash is a class of his own in a sense that every magnificent innings he produces is ought to be followed by a string of failures. Tushar's bowling was very good and better than Rasel who is a specialist bowler. Rasel will fail to get into any 1st grade side in Australia as Australian team players are from the state sides and they are from the first grade sites. Because in a bouncy pitch 120 kph is easy to handle. 135 kph plus what we should expect from a fast bowler in any international game be it test or ODIs. The odd slower ball should be good too but not always slow at least not to Gilchrist.

Hasib

April 25, 2006, 02:01 AM

Ashraful has benn given plenty of opportunities....Tashar has been given hardly any chances.

(http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=1959)

Rubu

April 25, 2006, 07:35 AM

cricman, I've been saying the same thing with Tushar for a long time. He is a choker. No, he has already been given enough chances since he has been with the team on and off starting 2002 or so. I have not seen him play too much but from what I've seen this is my explanation of him not being able to perform playing for national team.

Explanation: He lacks the basics of judging the quality of the ball. He goes for hitting at everything. Now, when playing against non quality bowlers, there is hardly any quality balls. So, you can go without the ability to judge the ball. that is not the case with quality opponents. You have to make sure to survive the good ones. he is not able to do that.

The biggest problem is, if this is true, he does not have any hope for the national team.

Fazal

April 25, 2006, 07:51 AM

cricman, I've been saying the same thing with Tushar for a long time.

Explanation: He lacks the basics of judging the quality of the ball. He goes for hitting at everything.

Good observation. However if you make a case for Rana (against Tushar), who some how over achieve whenever given a chance, I can buy into it.

But if you try to make a case for Ash (against Tushar), I don't think it will fly that much based on the above logic alone. I see Ash and Aftab basically have the same problem (that you mentioned above) like Tushar. Now are they going to change? who knows? However I feel if anyone is going to change it will be most likely Aftab or Tushar rather than Ash (after playing 64 ODI).

Rubu

April 25, 2006, 08:14 AM

Good point and agree with you. The things is ash and aftab is not consistant either. However, their talent is a step ahead of tushar. That makes a difference in terms of getting success inconsistantly. I think all 3 of them need to go through the u19 cricketing school once again to get the basics right. What ball to play, what shot to play, what not to play and what the match situation demands. These people really lacks in these common sense issues. Since we do not have any better prospect readily available, we should try to mend what we have.

SMHasan

April 25, 2006, 08:43 AM

Ashraful has benn given plenty of opportunities....Tashar has been given hardly any chances.

(http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/member.php?u=1959)

A plain truth.

Shafin

April 25, 2006, 09:19 AM

And a drop always pump ashraful up :)

sadi

April 25, 2006, 09:56 AM

Play tushar the whole series and I am sure he will come out good.... Ash needs to grow up

cricman

April 27, 2006, 12:56 AM

I didn't wanna say it but he choked again! This guy never produces, Bangladesh 'A' are gonna tour Sri Lanka in May let him off there, he can get cheap runs again.

He's had enough chances 4 years of them. Tushar and Ashraful came up around the same time. Ash has played in more matches because he's made most of his opportunities you can't say that about tushar. I've seen enough of Tushar Imran After he choked vs Sri Lanka in 2005, I knew when enough is enough.

Give N.Iqbal the other teenage prodigy or M.Rana the OverAchiver who can hit and bowl or M.Rahim he has class and composure they already thrown him into the wolves of Murali and Flintoff now give him a bone he can chew on like Zimbos and Kenyans.

One thing I can say about Ash that none of the other cricketers in BD can do and a few in world cricket can do is that he can turn the page and forget about what happened the other day. I remember he told his brother after the first duck vs England in the Natwest series " Even Sachin scores 0 sometimes " Thats the type of arrogence and Confidence I like. Plus only Rafique and Ashraful smile and show there true emotions with positive attitudes.

Mohiul

April 27, 2006, 04:50 AM

I think our selectors maintain double standards in terms of giving chance to players. They hardly give tushar a chance and when they give him a chance it is for only one or two match. Why don't they stick with him for more than five matches?

Players have ups and downs in their career. Thus they do well in a period of time. After this they have some bad patch and when they get rid of this bad patch they perform well again. For Tushar, I think he is getting selected for the team when his bad patch gets starting as he needs to perform well to get the attention of selectors.

I mentioned this before in other thread about Tushar and I will keep mentioning this unless he gets an sticky chance. He keeps performing well in practice matches. By the time he gets the attention of selectors, he burns out all his energy to produce this type of performance and thus cannot perform well when he is selected for the team for only one/two match. Now the question is is there any player in the world who can get rid of his bad patch in only one/two match? The answer is obviously is no

TAQATOO

April 27, 2006, 05:25 AM

Whats Tushar statistics ? Avg. Strike rate ? Any info ?

PoorFan

April 27, 2006, 05:35 AM

I never saw Tushar played 3 consecutive match, hardly can remember 2 consecutive match too. That's the big difference among Ash, Aftab, Alok, and even Rajin I think. Tushar deserve to finish atleast one series before we final judge him, he has more potential than Ash and Aftab to be consistent.

Miraz

April 27, 2006, 06:05 AM

I mentioned this before in other thread about Tushar and I will keep mentioning this unless he gets an sticky chance. He keeps performing well in practice matches. By the time he gets the attention of selectors, he burns out all his energy to produce this type of performance and thus cannot perform well when he is selected for the team for only one/two match. Now the question is is there any player in the world who can get rid of his bad patch in only one/two match? The answer is obviously is no

Good observation, quite interesting. I find a different reason for Tushar's failure, he lacks footwork and techniques to score consistently in international level.

Miraz

April 27, 2006, 06:07 AM

Whats Tushar statistics ? Avg. Strike rate ? Any info ?

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#cccccc height=17><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap align=left>class</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> mat</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> inns</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> no</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> runs</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> hs</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> ave</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> bf</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> sr</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 100</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 50</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 4s</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 6s</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> ct</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> st</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=right><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap align=left>Tests</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 4</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 8</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 55</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 28</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 6.87</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 182</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 30.21</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 7</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 1</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top align=right><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap align=left>ODIs</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 35</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 34</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 545</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 65</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 16.02</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 876</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 62.21</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 2</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 63</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 1</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 5</TD><TD class=profiles-stats-data noWrap> 0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Spitfire_x86

April 27, 2006, 08:01 AM

I never saw Tushar played 3 consecutive match, hardly can remember 2 consecutive match too. That's the big difference among Ash, Aftab, Alok, and even Rajin I think. Tushar deserve to finish atleast one series before we final judge him, he has more potential than Ash and Aftab to be consistent.

IIRC, he played in all matches in the Natwest trophy. That's six matches in a row. After that he played in all ODIs in the Srilanka tour. That makes it 9 matches in a row. He failed to register a single fifty and his only 30+ score came when the match was practically over.

He hasn't got enough chances in test cricket, but the same can't be said about ODIs

sadi

April 27, 2006, 08:35 AM

well double standard is always there in international cricket... do you think india will drop sachin or WI will drop lara if they do bad in ten games in a row? the answer is no... but what about raina or powell? They do bad in three or four games and they are out.... the main batsman of the team always get a little preference over the players who are not yet regular in the team... thats how it goes.... what goes against ash though is his immaturity.... if he was getting out in good ball, I am sure selectors wouldnt have dropped him.... but he clearly lacks the touch and need a break thats why he got one... if tushar gets a chance in the last odi and fails again, i fear that will be it for him for a while....

PoorFan

April 27, 2006, 09:08 PM

IIRC, he played in all matches in the Natwest trophy. That's six matches in a row. After that he played in all ODIs in the Srilanka tour. That makes it 9 matches in a row. He failed to register a single fifty and his only 30+ score came when the match was practically over.

He hasn't got enough chances in test cricket, but the same can't be said about ODIs

<!--StartFragment -->He played 9 match in raw and failed all of them!! Oh no that really sucks! Now I understand why people call him another Rokon. This is too bad for him, he should do something to keep his career intact. Other he will lost in no time.

ammark

April 27, 2006, 11:48 PM

10 matches in a row now. How disappointing

islam

April 28, 2006, 12:03 AM

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islam

April 28, 2006, 12:04 AM

ODI stats (t imran)

<TABLE borderColor=silver cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="90%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=TableHeadingLeft2>Year </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>M </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Inns </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>NO </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>50s </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>100s </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>HS </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Runs </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Avg </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Ca </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>St </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2001 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2998&Year=2001) </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>6 </TD><TD align=right>6 </TD><TD align=right>6.00 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2002 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2998&Year=2002) </TD><TD align=right>12 </TD><TD align=right>12 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>65 </TD><TD align=right>271 </TD><TD align=right>22.58 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2003 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2998&Year=2003) </TD><TD align=right>11 </TD><TD align=right>10 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>48 </TD><TD align=right>126 </TD><TD align=right>12.60 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2005 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2998&Year=2005) </TD><TD align=right>9 </TD><TD align=right>9 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>32 </TD><TD align=right>120 </TD><TD align=right>13.33 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2006 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2998&Year=2006) </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>20 </TD><TD align=right>22 </TD><TD align=right>11.00 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

same period Asraful:

<TABLE borderColor=silver cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="90%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TD class=TableHeadingLeft2>Year </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>M </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Inns </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>NO </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>50s </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>100s </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>HS </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Runs </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Avg </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>Ca </TD><TD class=TableHeadingRight2>St </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2001 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2001) </TD><TD align=right>4 </TD><TD align=right>4 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>16 </TD><TD align=right>46 </TD><TD align=right>11.50 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2002 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2002) </TD><TD align=right>7 </TD><TD align=right>7 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>44 </TD><TD align=right>125 </TD><TD align=right>17.86 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2003 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2003) </TD><TD align=right>13 </TD><TD align=right>13 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>56 </TD><TD align=right>155 </TD><TD align=right>12.92 </TD><TD align=right>3 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2004 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2004) </TD><TD align=right>19 </TD><TD align=right>19 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>66 </TD><TD align=right>332 </TD><TD align=right>18.44 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2005 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2005) </TD><TD align=right>16 </TD><TD align=right>14 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>100 </TD><TD align=right>395 </TD><TD align=right>28.21 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2006 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2964&Year=2006) </TD><TD align=right>8 </TD><TD align=right>7 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>64 </TD><TD align=right>156 </TD><TD align=right>22.29 </TD><TD align=right>3 </TD><TD align=right>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Tushar averages 16, Asraful (had more chances) average 19

Mr. Omar

<TABLE borderColor=silver cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="90%" border=1><TBODY><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2001 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2001) </TD><TD align=right>5 </TD><TD align=right>5 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>69 </TD><TD align=right>186 </TD><TD align=right>46.50 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2002 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2002) </TD><TD align=right>8 </TD><TD align=right>8 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>35 </TD><TD align=right>93 </TD><TD align=right>11.63 </TD><TD align=right>4 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2003 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2003) </TD><TD align=right>4 </TD><TD align=right>4 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>16 </TD><TD align=right>37 </TD><TD align=right>9.25 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2004 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2004) </TD><TD align=right>7 </TD><TD align=right>7 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>68 </TD><TD align=right>159 </TD><TD align=right>22.71 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#fff8dc><TD align=left>2005 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2005) </TD><TD align=right>9 </TD><TD align=right>9 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>81 </TD><TD align=right>225 </TD><TD align=right>25.00 </TD><TD align=right>2 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ffdab9><TD align=left>2006 (http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerProgressBat_ODI.asp?PlayerId=2733&Year=2006) </TD><TD align=right>6 </TD><TD align=right>6 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>1 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>*64 </TD><TD align=right>191 </TD><TD align=right>38.20 </TD><TD align=right>0 </TD><TD align=right>0</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Same period of time is a much better player than bother Mr. Imran and Asraful. Now averaging 38 this year, opening the batting, why isn't he playing?

NO one knows... (and over 20 in the last 2 seasons)

source : howstats

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