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User Name
April 25, 2006, 03:02 PM
Ashraful should retire now and migrate to a different country. If Bangladeshies fail to see his worth, then why should he stick around? I'm sure there are better opportunities.

These ungrateful fans and selection committee should help themselves as they please.

Its time to say EFF YOU to the moronic selection committee and the seasonal fans.

Beamer
April 25, 2006, 03:24 PM
Don't worry. He will be back soon. He does need to reflect a bit on his own game. Once he comes back, he muct cut down on his penchant for low percentage aerial shots. He is too good a player to play like he has been playing. He has this tendency to blast his way in to set his eyes. He needs to be more circumspect in the initial phase. Try to get runs by accumulating singles and twos with the occasional high percentage boundary shots. He is too often tempted to clear the ropes and the fielding sides challenge him by bringing the mid-on/off up. He needs to understand the situation better. He also needs to learn to repsect the opposition. Its all a mental state. Technically, he is faultless and has great ability to see the ball very late, and that is the part of his problem. He overestimates himself often and tries to manufacture shots too often when there aren't any shots for that given delivery. Can't help but to feel sad for him.

OZGOD
April 25, 2006, 03:37 PM
Slight overreaction from the original poster. Everyone gets dropped at some point in their career. If it's earlier in their career it's actually better, it gives them time to address deficiencies in their game. Ponting's been dropped, Clarke's been dropped, McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Marto...all these guys have been dropped and have come back stronger.

Being dropped from the team serves a number of functions:

1. It tells the player he is not indispensable and that he is accountable for his performances. Performance = talent + application. As they say success is 10% inspiration, 90% perspiration.
2. It gives the player time to work on his deficiencies (whether that be technique, mental approach or whatever) away from the public spotlight - PREFERABLY with someone who can help him. No point him trying to work it out on his own.
3. It makes the player keen to work hard, come back and regain his place.

SS
April 25, 2006, 03:50 PM
Don't worry. He will be back soon. He does need to reflect a bit on his own game. Once he comes back, he muct cut down on his penchant for low percentage aerial shots. He is too good a player to play like he has been playing. He has this tendency to blast his way in to set his eyes. He needs to be more circumspect in the initial phase. Try to get runs by accumulating singles and twos with the occasional high percentage boundary shots. He is too often tempted to clear the ropes and the fielding sides challenge him by bringing the mid-on/off up. He needs to understand the situation better. He also needs to learn to repsect the opposition. Its all a mental state. Technically, he is faultless and has great ability to see the ball very late, and that is the part of his problem. He overestimates himself often and tries to manufacture shots too often when there aren't any shots for that given delivery. Can't help but to feel sad for him.

Great observation by Mr. Beamer says it all about Ash. We are annoyed at him but there is no reason for us to expect more runs from us. We should lower our expectations on him till he rectify. We should divert our attention to the inform batsmen. But trust me this guy, has eagle eyes, opposition bowlers are too clever
and knew how to fool him. But his techniques has no problems. Hope he won't be another Al Shahriar. Back in the days during Nannu,Akram,Bulbul era ppl thought same about AlShahriar who was a fluent stroke maker. But look at him now.

We immediately need to send Ash to work with his batting style and mentality with the specialist coach and psychologist.

Omio
April 25, 2006, 03:50 PM
Ashraful will finish his carrer as a ...........

Sauron
April 25, 2006, 03:57 PM
Ashraful should retire now and migrate to a different country. If Bangladeshies fail to see his worth, then why should he stick around? I'm sure there are better opportunities.

These ungrateful fans and selection committee should help themselves as they please.

Its time to say EFF YOU to the moronic selection committee and the seasonal fans.

Is your First Name Mohammad and Last Name Ashraful, by any chance???

sensible
April 25, 2006, 04:19 PM
Interesting thread. But useless nonetheless. If everytime a player is dropped he decides to leave his country, then at some point it would be very difficult to keep track of who is playing for what country! It would be very very confusing!

Shakalaka
April 25, 2006, 04:33 PM
Ashraful should retire now and migrate to a different country. If Bangladeshies fail to see his worth, then why should he stick around? I'm sure there are better opportunities.

These ungrateful fans and selection committee should help themselves as they please.

Its time to say EFF YOU to the moronic selection committee and the seasonal fans.

Some people have come to world just to react to the news with all their emotions. You are NO differnece by stating this useless thread.

Pathetic!!!

Sometimes try to think for the team that representing your country for the best than an individual who is a failed act at this moment. You give a team a best chance to win and replacing someone with underperforming ASH is the right way to go.

layperson
April 25, 2006, 05:08 PM
i completely understand the posters feelings .... bro i also feel very angry towards the moronic selection committee... however i do hope ashraful is brought back for the third one day nd then he wins the match for BD tht wud be a slap in the face of the selectors ... u stupid as** clowns.... imagine india dropping tendulkar wen he is going through a bad phase wen the indian team was not as good as it is now.....ashraful is to bangladesh what tendulkar was to india wen they were strugling.... i m in no way saying ashraful is as good as tendulkar bcoz he hasnt performed as consistently ..... but his stature in the Bd team is like tendulkar's in the indian team wen they were strugling in INternational cricket..... my mpersonla msg to the selectors for this decision.... go eff urself....

User Name
April 25, 2006, 05:10 PM
why do you care?

you all think ashraful is not up to par - so does it matter for you if he retires or not? You think you have better players - so why bother about ashraful? or do you secretly wish ashraful to be back. --- what a bunch of pathetic hypocrites?

User Name
April 25, 2006, 05:12 PM
shahriyar , my post above is for other posters of this thread.

(you spoke my mind in your post.. thanks)

User Name
April 25, 2006, 05:19 PM
Some people have come to world just to react to the news with all their emotions. You are NO differnece by stating this useless thread.

Pathetic!!!

Sometimes try to think for the team that representing your country for the best than an individual who is a failed act at this moment. You give a team a best chance to win and replacing someone with underperforming ASH is the right way to go.

what emotion you are talking about your highness? simply put. Ashraful is the greatest batsman Bangladesh has ever produced. He is probably the greatest Batsman of his time - we should stand by him in his bad times.

Sauron
April 25, 2006, 05:24 PM
যেইসব ভাইজানেরা আশরাফুলের জন্য হা হুতাশ করছেন, তাদেরকে বলছি,

#১) আশরাফুল যদি নির্বাচকদের গালে চড় মারতে চায়ই, তাহলে এতোদিন বসে বসে কি আন্ডা ভাজছে? ওকে তো কেউ বলে নাই যে উলটা পালটা শট না খেললে টিম থেকে বাদ দিয়ে দেবে। ওর এতো ফাউল শট খেলা'র প্রয়োজনটা কি?

#২) আশরাফুলকে বাদ দেওয়া মানে এই না যে সে আর সুযোগ পাবে না। বাংলাদেশের হয়ে ক্রিকেট খেলা আশরাফুলের পিতৃ-প্রদত্ব অধিকার না। একটু মাথাটা ঠান্ডা হলে যখন সে নিজেও ওই কথাটা বুঝবে, তখন সে এমনিতেই দলে ফিরবে, আপনাদের চিল্লাচিল্লি ছাড়াই।

#৩) সিলেকশন কমিটি বা বাংলাদেশি জনগন, যার উপরেই খেপেননা কেনো, লাভ নাই। আশরাফুল কে যদি এতোই পুজনীয় মনে হয়, তাহলে একটা মূর্তি বানিয়ে পুজো দিতে লেগে যাননা কেনো? তবে মনে রাখবেন, যতোই পুজো দেন না কেনো, বিনিময়ে কিছই পাবেননা যতোক্ষন না আশরাফুল নিজের অবস্থানের মূল্য না দেয়।

সবশেষের কথা হল - আমি নিজেও আশরাফুলের ভালোই ভক্ত। কিন্তু সিলেক্টর আর কোচ যা করেছেন, ছেলেটা'র ভালোর জন্যই করেছেন।

fishyguy
April 25, 2006, 05:26 PM
Wow this board has reached new heights of disillusionment.

Ehsan
April 25, 2006, 05:27 PM
Ashraful needed a break for his own good. Every great player in history has been dropped when they were not in form and Ashraful is not an exception. I believe he would come back stronger than before, and I hope he finds his consistency.

User name, don't worry this would be an inspiration for Ashraful to work harder. Remember how he started performing after he was fined by Sonargao?

shimraj
April 25, 2006, 05:29 PM
Ashraful should retire now and migrate to a different country. If Bangladeshies fail to see his worth, then why should he stick around? I'm sure there are better opportunities.

These ungrateful fans and selection committee should help themselves as they please.

Its time to say EFF YOU to the moronic selection committee and the seasonal fans.

Hello Mr. user name, Don't be so pissed off. This is the best decision that they came up with so far. I am sure he will be a much better player after he comes back again. I can guarantee that. And if BD wins today, he will come back even a better player than if BD looses.

Sauron
April 25, 2006, 05:30 PM
simply put. Ashraful is the greatest batsman Bangladesh has ever produced. He is probably the greatest Batsman of his time - we should stand by him in his bad times.

আপনার এই পোস্টটা দেখার আগেই আমার আগের পোস্টটা করে ফেলেছি। এই পোস্টটা দেখলে আর অতো লেখা'র ঝামেলায় যেতাম না। আপনার তো মনে হচ্ছে ক্রিকেটের ন্যূনতম জ্ঞ্যানের অভাব রয়েছে।

এইটা করলে কেমন হয়? আশরাফুলের তো খারাপ সময় যাচ্ছে ... আপনি এই বোর্ডে এইসব যা তা না লিখে আশরাফুলের বাসায় গিয়ে ওকে সান্তনা দিয়ে আসেন। He may appreciate a sympathetic hug from you.

Sauron
April 25, 2006, 05:33 PM
Ashraful needed a break for his own good. Every great player in history has been dropped when they were not in form and Ashraful is not an exception. I believe he would come back stronger than before, and I hope he finds his consistency.

User name, don't worry this would be an inspiration for Ashraful to work harder. Remember how he started performing after he was fined by Sonargao?
:up:
Exactly! A player of Ashraful's calibre has to be handled with care. His own high self-confidence and the pressure of high expectation from fans screw up his game. This break would do him good.

ASA
April 25, 2006, 05:43 PM
Either UserName's age is the same as the number of letters in his nick - or he is just way too high up above (along with A-fool) to think sensibly. We are sticking with Ash in his bad times ... he's still in the team and nobody in the management or team is saying EFF words about him which he justly deserves. You have to produce in order to be in the 11. Mere talent can't be a factor - you gotta learn to be able to use it for your team's good. Ashraful should learn to work with the team - not the other way around.

In 2002-2003, Alok Kapali was dubbed as the 'Tendulkar' of Bangladesh - and he produced some classic innings along with a test hatric. So why was he dropped later on - and how come he is in the team again? Ask yourself that question first instead of posting stupid flaming messages.

Bancan
April 25, 2006, 06:09 PM
yo listen up user name. he is playing bad he got cut. if u dont perform y should u be in the team. ashraful's once in a while innings are great to watch but o cmon, they come so rarely. and many say that he is the greatest,best, blah blahblah of bd team. but he certainly doesnt perform like one.

SMHasan
April 25, 2006, 06:31 PM
Ash or selectors are not the biggest headache here. The biggest one is too many thrads in this forum!:floor:

ammark
April 25, 2006, 06:45 PM
Honestly, we've debated this topic so many times. I wish all these threads were merged. Its getting tiring to see the same two opposing views (some very emotional) in multiple threads!

akabir77
April 25, 2006, 06:51 PM
bhai ki shomosha.... Some of us don't even understand cricket and start worshiping people... If USER NAME had watch the last odi he could have seen how stick up he looked??? I think even though it was hard for the selectors they did the right thing. And I am pretty sure ash knows that too but some so called fans think that if he doesn't play a single match he will lose every thing... I think when he will come back from the back no one will find a place to hide... remember last time when he came back he got australia lets see what we can get next may be the world cup who knows.. so ANDHA (Blind) fans of ash be patient don't be like him and play harsh shot(in this case comment) and lose your position here ok....good luck to ash...

Sovik
April 25, 2006, 06:57 PM
No matter how good you are you have to perform to stay in the team. national cap is not so easy. and he needed to learn that. and his exclusion will do good for him

Frost
April 25, 2006, 07:15 PM
I've only one thing to say - thanks god, most of the people (including our players) do not think or react like the opener of this thread.

Ishtylish cricketer
April 25, 2006, 07:39 PM
Pathetic thread! Granted, that Ashraful does play selfishly most of the time meaning he plays the way he wants to play without considering team's requirements but he is a good player nonetheless and given his age it is incomprehensible to suggest that he should retire now. There is room for his improvement as there is with every cricket in the world. I am not a big fan of his batting either but he is among the best we have and he could ameliorate given that he receives good guidence. I personally think if he seeks advice from a highly respected batting coach ie. Gary Palmer, Geoffry Boycott he might buy into playing a bit safer which would help him become a better BATSMAN and less of a SLOGGER.

User Name
April 25, 2006, 07:48 PM
If he is such a terrible player, then why the heck you guys want him back in the team in future???

User Name
April 25, 2006, 07:59 PM
আপনার এই পোস্টটা দেখার আগেই আমার আগের পোস্টটা করে ফেলেছি। এই পোস্টটা দেখলে আর অতো লেখা'র ঝামেলায় যেতাম না। আপনার তো মনে হচ্ছে ক্রিকেটের ন্যূনতম জ্ঞ্যানের অভাব রয়েছে।

এইটা করলে কেমন হয়? আশরাফুলের তো খারাপ সময় যাচ্ছে ... আপনি এই বোর্ডে এইসব যা তা না লিখে আশরাফুলের বাসায় গিয়ে ওকে সান্তনা দিয়ে আসেন। He may appreciate a sympathetic hug from you.

You'll remember my words in 2020.

thebest
April 25, 2006, 08:00 PM
If he is such a terrible player, then why the heck you guys want him back in the team in future???
Listen man, carefully. No knee jurk reaction. No body here is arguing about his talent. if u get 50% of his talent in 90% of his matches we could have won 50% of our ODI and 20% of test. But the problem is we get 50% of his talent in 20% of matches. ofetn he is out for reckless shot. he is not learning. If u watch last match, u would find tht he can not take the pressure any more. His angelic smile is no more there. It seems to me tht he needs a break. The selectors did the right thing. they are sacrificing the short term benefit (If any, for fan like you) for the long term benefit of the country. Remember this is not the first time he dropped from the team. He came with a bang. Next time it would again. We all the fans are looking for the day

bd_cricket
April 25, 2006, 08:02 PM
As far my memory goes back - few years back Ashraful was dropped (given rest) in one series - (may be Zim tour) and after that series he came back with runs.
So this is not the first time he is given rest. And there is evidence that he can get back his form when he is given a break.

By the way, User Name, we all want Ashraful back - no doubt about that. We want him back like a real tiger.

Kamini
April 25, 2006, 08:05 PM
It is bad decision to drop somebody with match winning potential!

SMHasan
April 25, 2006, 08:21 PM
It is bad decision to drop somebody with match winning potential!

Yes. But what happens when he gets out by playing an ugly shot? And remember its not a drop at all, Ash needs a break from the pressure. Moreover there are other people in the country playing cricket so they need to get a chance as well.

ammark
April 25, 2006, 09:19 PM
It is bad decision to drop somebody with match winning potential!

Yes, poor Robin Singh and Saurav Ganguly! In their day they were India's match winners! And yet you discarded them when they were out of form or had an attitude problem.

cricketboy
April 25, 2006, 09:39 PM
Yes, poor Robin Singh and Saurav Ganguly! In their day they were India's match winners! And yet you discarded them when they were out of form or had an attitude problem.
I think Ahraful's case is different to others. He came to the team at very young age and has enormous talent as we know but sometimes plays stupid shots due to loss of concentration or recklessness thats why he is not scoring. He has continued to do so even after nearly 4-5 years of international cricket. How can you tolerate those kind of application from a player only beacuse he has played 3-4 match winning knocks in his life. Another reason I think his failure is due is his poor form in domestic cricket where he never scores a matchwinning knock which maybe because of him not being serious in those games. I hope his exclusion will make him understand that he needs to bat with responsibility. In November he was a part of Asia XI and now dropped from the Bangladesh team. :rolleyes:

Locutus
April 25, 2006, 09:42 PM
Well he is out of form at this time. I am sure he will be back. Retiring would not be smart idea.

Zaheed Mahmood
April 25, 2006, 09:51 PM
Now this is a bit too horrendous way of treating a player having a passing lean patch of form, I do agree completely about Ash’s way-below-par performance with respect to his potential and I too am equally frustrated with his continuous inconsistency, but just remember, when he is on song, he is simply sublime!! Undoubtedly a genuine match winner that he is, he certainly showed his mettle against mighty opponents only in the age of 21 and no such callous suggestion of having him retired should be encouraged. He has so many years in front of him to learn and groom himself!!
Zaheed

ammark
April 25, 2006, 09:56 PM
I think Ahraful's case is different to others. He came to the team at very young age and has enormous talent as we know but sometimes plays stupid shots due to loss of concentration or recklessness thats why he is not scoring. He has continued to do so even after nearly 4-5 years of international cricket. How can you tolerate those kind of application from a player only beacuse he has played 3-4 match winning knocks in his life. Another reason I think his failure is due is his poor form in domestic cricket where he never scores a matchwinning knock which maybe because of him not being serious in those games. I hope his exclusion will make him understand that he needs to bat with responsibility. In November he was a part of Asia XI and now dropped from the Bangladesh team. :rolleyes:
Please see my other posts, you'll note I said the same things you did.

I merely referred to Saurav Ganguly and Robin Singh because she mentioned the words "match winners" only. Both of them had talent no doubt, and both were dropped when they no longer performed or played with arrogant attitude. For eg. Ganguly debuted in 1992, didnt perform, and was dropped. Is that to discount the fact that he had Enormous talent?

I think Ashraful's attitude also reeked of arrogance and naivete a few weeks back. we gave him a granted place in our team, and he didnt perform. He gave silly excuses for getting out against Kenya. And worse, his shot selection and rashness in playing each of the last few games he played only demonstrated that he needs to mend his ways desperately otherwise we'll have to do away with him till he matures. I'm glad its come to that. If we could bash JO for being untalented and yet at times hard working, I think Ashraful should be bashed for being talented and not persevering!

sar2005
April 25, 2006, 10:01 PM
I really don't understand why we are not ready to accept reality. We are no longer just a team of 11/12 players. There are people always knocking the door of national side which is very good for our cricket. I know ash is talented match winner. But how long selectors can support someone just for scoring 10 odds run. I agree with many of you that he has the ability to produce a match winning innings. But the brutal truth is that he is out of touch right at the moment. Moreover, we just can't depend on only one ashraful to deliver everything for BD cricket. We are just not in those old days when a single player was produced in decade. We gotta look for new faces who will be leading our cricket in coming days (and of curse he is also one of those). They deserve a chance.

I am a fan of Ashraful but I still believe that the decision was fare enough to drop him for a while. It is all of his own good deeds. Let's wish strongly that Ashraful will return with all his fireworks and start winning matches for BD.

Fazal
April 25, 2006, 10:03 PM
It is bad decision to drop somebody with match winning potential!

Khaisee Kamini akhon ashraful fan? Gangulir Kopal purloo mone hoi.:(

ammark
April 25, 2006, 10:08 PM
Khaisee Kamini akhon ashraful fan? Gangulir Kopal purloo mone hoi.:(

Arre Fazal Bhai, ki koitesen apni?

Ganguly'o to talented "match winner", na ki?

Taile madam to Ganguly'reo support dibo? :lol:

jabbar
April 25, 2006, 10:12 PM
...imagine india dropping tendulkar wen he is going through a bad phase ...

REALITY CHECK: Ashraful is no Tendulkar.

PoorFan
April 25, 2006, 10:23 PM
<!--StartFragment --><!--StartFragment -->Whatever, Selectors should take the decision AFTER this series, not in the middle of a BIG series like Australia. I feel it's a bad decision, but Ashraful should RETIRE? Original poster just showed his anger that's all.

layperson
April 26, 2006, 02:02 AM
REALITY CHECK: Ashraful is no Tendulkar.

u cant just quote one single line frm my text myfriend ... i said clearly ashraful is not as good as tendulkar but he is to bangladesh now what tendulkar was to india wen india was going through a bad phase nd they relied heavily on tendulkar to score.... name one other player in the BD team who has played a match winning knock ? ..... so u seee my point ?

Sovik
April 26, 2006, 02:06 AM
he was out of form from 2nd test against sri lanka. he had a poor explanation against kenya. now the same story. he thought its easy to get national caps. he should realise the importance of his role as a batsman.

Dhurr
April 26, 2006, 02:19 AM
যেইসব ভাইজানেরা আশরাফুলের জন্য হা হুতাশ করছেন, তাদেরকে বলছি,

#১) আশরাফুল যদি নির্বাচকদের গালে চড় মারতে চায়ই, তাহলে এতোদিন বসে বসে কি আন্ডা ভাজছে? ওকে তো কেউ বলে নাই যে উলটা পালটা শট না খেললে টিম থেকে বাদ দিয়ে দেবে। ওর এতো ফাউল শট খেলা'র প্রয়োজনটা কি?

#২) আশরাফুলকে বাদ দেওয়া মানে এই না যে সে আর সুযোগ পাবে না। বাংলাদেশের হয়ে ক্রিকেট খেলা আশরাফুলের পিতৃ-প্রদত্ব অধিকার না। একটু মাথাটা ঠান্ডা হলে যখন সে নিজেও ওই কথাটা বুঝবে, তখন সে এমনিতেই দলে ফিরবে, আপনাদের চিল্লাচিল্লি ছাড়াই।

#৩) সিলেকশন কমিটি বা বাংলাদেশি জনগন, যার উপরেই খেপেননা কেনো, লাভ নাই। আশরাফুল কে যদি এতোই পুজনীয় মনে হয়, তাহলে একটা মূর্তি বানিয়ে পুজো দিতে লেগে যাননা কেনো? তবে মনে রাখবেন, যতোই পুজো দেন না কেনো, বিনিময়ে কিছই পাবেননা যতোক্ষন না আশরাফুল নিজের অবস্থানের মূল্য না দেয়।

সবশেষের কথা হল - আমি নিজেও আশরাফুলের ভালোই ভক্ত। কিন্তু সিলেক্টর আর কোচ যা করেছেন, ছেলেটা'র ভালোর জন্যই করেছেন।

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Now everyone else shut up!

Shakalaka
April 26, 2006, 06:13 AM
what emotion you are talking about your highness? simply put. Ashraful is the greatest batsman Bangladesh has ever produced. He is probably the greatest Batsman of his time - we should stand by him in his bad times.

Its sad that you think that way. ASh needs break, cos he is not at his best. And i would prefer the team more than an individual no matter how talented he is. Especially, when the talent is of no use as of recent time.

Just chill. He will be one of our best time for long time. But he needs to be mautred and his cricket IQ needs to be impoved. And being only 21, he has lots of time. So, keep your thoughts within urself.

OZGOD
April 26, 2006, 06:16 AM
Well, the ball's in Ashraful's court at the moment. He can choose to sulk about it, or he can choose to force his way back into the team. Somehow I think he'll choose the latter.

Shakalaka
April 26, 2006, 06:29 AM
u cant just quote one single line frm my text myfriend ... i said clearly ashraful is not as good as tendulkar but he is to bangladesh now what tendulkar was to india wen india was going through a bad phase nd they relied heavily on tendulkar to score.... name one other player in the BD team who has played a match winning knock ? ..... so u seee my point ?

This ia really absurd. Would you come back to earth??? ASH is compared with Tendulker??? Crap! even we have better player in our own team. What about Bashar? this guy comes in every game and knocking 50's. Most consistent batsman. And your ASH will hit good knock once in blue moon and he is the best player ever???

I think someone needs a "break"....

AussieFan
April 26, 2006, 07:02 AM
Yes, and he should take up the National coaching job !

Shafin
April 26, 2006, 07:10 AM
Terrible thought,terrible thread,but surely a hit one :D

Spitfire_x86
April 26, 2006, 08:05 AM
If he made that after today's team announcement, then it wouldn't be such a terrible thread at all.

JO > Ashraful? Enough said.

Rabz
April 26, 2006, 09:27 AM
i think it was a good idea to drop ash...

i mean..whats the difference...someone else taking his place would also score some mediocre 15 runs...

i would rather see that someone failing than seeing ash fails...
it really breaks my heart...

6alltheway
April 26, 2006, 10:25 AM
Yes, and he should take up the National coaching job !

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:D:up:

layperson
April 26, 2006, 05:48 PM
This ia really absurd. Would you come back to earth??? ASH is compared with Tendulker??? Crap! even we have better player in our own team. What about Bashar? this guy comes in every game and knocking 50's. Most consistent batsman. And your ASH will hit good knock once in blue moon and he is the best player ever???

I think someone needs a "break"....

sir do u not go through my whole post or u just pick out the word u feel like nd comprehend a meaning u want to !!!!!!!!! strange .... if u think me calling ashraful the best batsman of BD is crap then u shud hv answered my other question... name one other batsman who has played a winning knock for BD ? aftab u can say ... but u said bashar .... my dear bashar is the most consistent i agree but which one of his knocks was match winning :-/ .... it doesnt matter if ne batsman other than aftab nd ashraful click bcoz they r not match winners by themselves ... on the other hand these two can win matches by themselves ..... ashraful has proved it by playing along match winning innings but for aftab his match winning efforts were mostly 20's nd 30's but match winning none the less... however he did hv a match winnning 64 as well ...... nd once again i said ashraful is to BD what tendulkar was to india .... i did not say ashraful is as good as tendulkar .... ami boli nai tendulkar ar ashraful eki .... ami bolechi ashraful er worth to the BD team is same as tendulkar er worth to the indian team in the past wen they relied on him heavily ... erporo jodi nah bujhen kotha tahole i dont knw kon bhashay bolbo .....nd u said ash will hit one good knock once in a blue moon ..... well for ur info bashar is worse in terms of consistency where ODI is concerned... he averages less than 20 !!!!! it is in test matches tht he consistently scores half centuries .... get ur facts straight b4 u jump .... moreover those once in a blue moon innings frm ashraful will get bangladesh wins nd slowly those will become more frrequent.....as the whole team matures....we will find more matchwinners .... but for now no one other than aftab compares to ashraful in terms of match winning knocks .... comprende!!!!

Kamini
April 26, 2006, 08:17 PM
:D Hey guyes, I told you don't drop Ashraful.

You have seen the results!:D

layperson
April 26, 2006, 08:50 PM
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Now everyone else shut up!

if u r a supoprter of ashraful then i think he can do without suporters like u .... he just failed in ONE ODI series ... the one against kenya .... nd the first one day against aussies... so based on this if a BD player fails in 5 consecutive matches he needs to be "rested" for his own good according to to supporters like u instead letting him find his feet in the middle... well then y the hell the double standards? most bangladeshi batsmen fail in 5 consecutive matches nd even more ... they r not rested ... y ashraful ? bcoz he is more talented nd more in expected of him u will punish him ... well it is supposed to be the other way round ... if smone is better than the rest then he shud get more chances than the others ... nd no i never implied tht the national team is his "baper jagir" .... if u drop him afer one bad series then we hv to keep changing our squad for every other series ...ajob logic ...if he dint get out in the matches against kenya nd aussie first ODi then he wud hv scored ... tht wud mean he wud hv been scoring non stop for three consecutive series !!!! eitai chan .... well first of all bangladesh er kono player ekhono eto reliable nah je he will be scoring for three consecutive series .... we r talkign abt ODi here ... test e bashar is pretty consistent but still not three consecutive series .... on top of tht world cricket e o to mone hoy onek kom player ache jaara three consecutive series e bhalo khelbe ... ajob to .... now the poor kid cant hv a bad series . if he does f*** him !!!!!! fantastic attitude .... nd tht is supposed to help him ??? the last time he was dropped was bcoz at tht time he went through a lean patch for a prolonged time .... not one series ....:mad:

Dhurr
April 26, 2006, 09:37 PM
The way you guys are acting, one would think Ashraful has been kicked out of the team for good or worse yet, out of the country. Jeez! It's just one game!

How many of you smartypants think Ashraful would have won us this game? Please raise your hands.

We needed 251 runs to win against THE BEST SIDE IN THE WORLD... in a dead pitch. How many times in our ENTIRE HISTORY have we scored 251 runs in an ODI? Besides Bashar, Rafique and Pilot, Ashraful has played more ODIs than anybody else in BANGLADESH HISTORY! In how many of those matches have we scored 251 runs? In how many of those matches has ASHRAFUL come through?

Ashraful might have potential, but if that potential does not translate to success, then he's better suited sitting out a few games till he proves himself. Were you Ashraful fans even watching the same game everybody else in the world was watching? If you were, you should have seen how out of form Ashraful looked and how little confidence he had. If you're really well-wishers of this kid, you would cherish that Ashraful was given this opportunity. He needs a break, and he needs it badly. Now he can play in the national league against weaker opponents, get plenty of runs and his confidence back, and when he comes back to the international scene, he would be all charged up.

Dhurr
April 26, 2006, 09:42 PM
if u r a supoprter of ashraful then i think he can do without suporters like u .... he just failed in ONE ODI series ... the one against kenya .... nd the first one day against aussies... so based on this if a BD player fails in 5 consecutive matches he needs to be "rested" for his own good according to to supporters like u instead letting him find his feet in the middle... well then y the hell the double standards? most bangladeshi batsmen fail in 5 consecutive matches nd even more ... they r not rested ... y ashraful ? bcoz he is more talented nd more in expected of him u will punish him ... well it is supposed to be the other way round ... if smone is better than the rest then he shud get more chances than the others ... nd no i never implied tht the national team is his "baper jagir" .... if u drop him afer one bad series then we hv to keep changing our squad for every other series ...ajob logic ...if he dint get out in the matches against kenya nd aussie first ODi then he wud hv scored ... tht wud mean he wud hv been scoring non stop for three consecutive series !!!! eitai chan .... well first of all bangladesh er kono player ekhono eto reliable nah je he will be scoring for three consecutive series .... we r talkign abt ODi here ... test e bashar is pretty consistent but still not three consecutive series .... on top of tht world cricket e o to mone hoy onek kom player ache jaara three consecutive series e bhalo khelbe ... ajob to .... now the poor kid cant hv a bad series . if he does f*** him !!!!!! fantastic attitude .... nd tht is supposed to help him ??? the last time he was dropped was bcoz at tht time he went through a lean patch for a prolonged time .... not one series ....:mad:

4 innings vs Kenya
+ 4 innings vs Australia in tests
+ 1 innings vs Australia in ODI
= 9 consecutive innings where he failed.

Would you give Alok or Tushar or whoever else this kind of opportunity? Khali khali kotha pechaitesen, bhai. Ashraful looks completely out of form. Don't you think he needs a break for his own sake? Khali khali bechara'r confidence noshto koira kono labh ase? He's ONLY 21. He still has another 10-15 years of international cricket ahead of him. So, what's more important? Satiating the emotional needs of people like you for just one match or the nurturing a player who has yet to reach his peak and can give us another 10-15 years of scintillating cricket?

Dhurr
April 26, 2006, 10:07 PM
Here are Md. Ashraful's recent scores:

1st ODI vs. Kenya: 18 (24)
2nd ODI vs. Kenya: DNB
3rd ODI vs. Kenya: 3 (7)
4th ODI vs. Kenya: 11 (13)

1st test vs. Australia: 29 (28) & 4(14)
2nd test vs. Australia: 6 (16) & 29 (42)

First ODI vs. Australia: 5 (23)

That's 105 runs at an average of 13.13

His career average? 19.50 with 1 century and 8 half-centuries in 67 ODIs. So, on average, expect a show him from him every seven and a half innings or so. His test batting confirms that too. He has three 100s and six 50s in 65 innings in tests, and so, even there, you can expect him to do something noteworthy with the bat every seven innings or so.

Honestly, is this supposed to be our version of Tendulkar or Lara? Please! First, he needs to look up this word called CONSISTENCY in the dictionary. Inexperience can not be an excuse for him after five years, thirty-three tests and sixty-seven ODIs. Potential - he has oodles of it. Some of you would take it a step further and say he oozes match-winning potential. Well, unless his potential translates into success and consistency, I think we all need to back off a little bit and lower our irrational expectations. See him for what he is: a wildly inconsistent batsman with the potential to do big things, not a batsman whose absence is the glaring reason for every defeat.

ammark
April 26, 2006, 11:23 PM
[see posts above]

:up: Ar kisu bolar pailam na. Thank you bhai :up:

:flag:

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 09:31 AM
Ashraful has a big potential



What do you mean by potential?? And who told you that it's big?? Have you seen it?




:D Hey guyes, I told you don't drop Ashraful.

You have seen the results!:D

Oh crap! You are one accurate future-caster. Can you tell me when Aliens are going to attack earth? I will need to sell all my stocks and spend all my money before that happens. Obvioulsy, aliens will not honor earth money. Please help me!


...

ammark
April 27, 2006, 03:03 PM
didi'ke khepaite khub moja, tai na? :D

layperson
April 27, 2006, 05:00 PM
4 innings vs Kenya
+ 4 innings vs Australia in tests
+ 1 innings vs Australia in ODI
= 9 consecutive innings where he failed.

Would you give Alok or Tushar or whoever else this kind of opportunity? Khali khali kotha pechaitesen, bhai. Ashraful looks completely out of form. Don't you think he needs a break for his own sake? Khali khali bechara'r confidence noshto koira kono labh ase? He's ONLY 21. He still has another 10-15 years of international cricket ahead of him. So, what's more important? Satiating the emotional needs of people like you for just one match or the nurturing a player who has yet to reach his peak and can give us another 10-15 years of scintillating cricket?

So you are saying all the other batters have performed better than ashraful and none of them have gone through 9 consecutive innnings without scoring ??? bah bah bah . I wonder how bangladesh lose so many matches then .My problem with the whole episode is two fold. I cannot comprehend dropping ashraful in the middle of this series when his presence increases the chances of a win manifold. Second if you are dropping ashraful for nine consecutive failures( where u took the test matches into account ) then dont you think there are a lot of others who should be dropped too. As far as i can remember the only player who performs on a fairly regular basis is bashar and that too in test matches only. Why the hypocrisy then? Rules should be fair for all the players and if not then the more talented ones should have more chances not the other way round that you give lesser chances to the talented players. I want to see bangladesh win and having our best players out there increases the chances of that. Aftab and ashraful are the two best batsmen bangladesh have right now.

Dhurr
April 27, 2006, 05:13 PM
I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here. :(

Instead of making vague statements, please back up your arguments with some proof. Ami amar opinion er shathe shathe shei opinion ke support korar moto data o disi. Why don't you do the same? Then we'll talk.

ammark
April 27, 2006, 05:23 PM
Ashraful may be the best but he has looked DESPERATELY out of touch in EACH and EVERY innings he's played since SL. That is the only reason I want him rested. In every innings he got lucky to have not been out a little earlier than he was. He was NOT playing very confidently, or his idea of confidence probably means getting lucky every time. Simple statistics will never tell you how he played his game. And seeing his performance in the last ODI, I can only perceive from his body language that he has lost his self-confidence. How else do you explain him blocking every ball, taking 5 runs without any boundaries (very unlike ashraful) off 23 balls, and then when he decided to hit, he was out! Previously he was hitting and getting lucky, and then getting out to as some would say "controversial" decisions! But fact is he really didnt contribute with anything positive in those innings, and at times only added to the mire we were in.

Dhurr
April 27, 2006, 05:25 PM
So you are saying all the other batters have performed better than ashraful and none of them have gone through 9 consecutive innnings without scoring ???

Haven't they?


bah bah bah . I wonder how bangladesh lose so many matches then.
I guess Bangladesh loses "so many matches" because Ashraful isn't in the team, right? :wow:


My problem with the whole episode is two fold. I cannot comprehend dropping ashraful in the middle of this series when his presence increases the chances of a win manifold.
And how exactly does it increase "the chances of a win manifold"? Statistical proof? In tests, he comes through once every seven innings and in ODIs, he comes through once every seven and a half innings. Since he had two good innings against Sri Lanka, we shouldn't expect anything from him for another 4-5 games, statistically speaking, of course.

Second if you are dropping ashraful for nine consecutive failures( where u took the test matches into account ) then dont you think there are a lot of others who should be dropped too. As far as i can remember the only player who performs on a fairly regular basis is bashar and that too in test matches only. Why the hypocrisy then?

Of course I would take the test matches into account. Nine consecutive innings where he didn't really perform validates my argument that Ashraful is out of form. If you've seen those nine innings, then you should have seen with your OWN eyes that the guy did not look confident, and he looked unsure, to say the least. When the selectors dropped him, they did it for his OWN good, not because they love "hypocrisy".

Who else should be dropped, Mr. Shahriyar? Instead of making blanket statements like "dont you think there are a lot of others who should be dropped too", please give me the names of the players and your reasons, backed by numbers of course, for dropping them.


Rules should be fair for all the players and if not then the more talented ones should have more chances not the other way round that you give lesser chances to the talented players. I want to see bangladesh win and having our best players out there increases the chances of that. Aftab and ashraful are the two best batsmen bangladesh have right now.

It's not about fairness; it's about making our team better. That's why although it is unfair to give Ashraful opportunity after opportunity while the likes of Tushar or Alok have to stay out of the team for months for one bad series, the selectors give Ashraful that opportunity because he has tremendous upside. Like I have said time and again, unless that upside translates into consistent success on the field, it is meaningless to the team.


I basically demolished all your points.
1. You can't show that other players get so many chances (or even anything remotely close) like Ashraful does.
2. HIs presence doesn't "increase" our chances of winning; his performance does, and he hasn't been performing as of late.
3. Ashraful has been given chances; he wasted all those chances.
4. Please don't talk about Aftab. He wasn't "dropped", so bringing him up is meaningless.

Dhurr
April 27, 2006, 05:31 PM
Ashraful may be the best but he has looked DESPERATELY out of touch in EACH and EVERY innings he's played since SL. That is the only reason I want him rested. In every innings he got lucky to have not been out a little earlier than he was. He was NOT playing very confidently, or his idea of confidence probably means getting lucky every time. Simple statistics will never tell you how he played his game. And seeing his performance in the last ODI, I can only perceive from his body language that he has lost his self-confidence. How else do you explain him blocking every ball, taking 5 runs without any boundaries (very unlike ashraful) off 23 balls, and then when he decided to hit, he was out! Previously he was hitting and getting lucky, and then getting out to as some would say "controversial" decisions! But fact is he really didnt contribute with anything positive in those innings, and at times only added to the mire we were in.


Yes, precisely! Ashraful has looked very, very out of touch. His highest score in the last 9 innings was 29 (twice). In the first test, when he scored those 29 runs, he got lucky he made 29. He gave way too many chances. He was basically trying to slog when it wasn't needed at all and he was lucky to have made it to 29. The innings you, ammark, mention about the 5(23) innings also shows that Ashraful looked completely out of form. So, however way one looks at it, whether they look at the sheer numbers or they judge Ashraful based on his batting prowess and confidence and shot selection in the last nine innings, it is obvious Ashraful isn't "feelin it", so to speak.


People need to get off their high horses and also off the Ashraful bandwagon. If you're truly Ashraful fans, you'd appreciate the opportunity the selectors have given him in the past, and the favor they're doing him right now.

For the last time, Ashraful was not kicked out of the team permanently, nor has he been kicked out of the country. The selectors will take Ashraful back sooner or later(unfortunately, I have a gut feeling they might do it for the third ODI, and I hope, for his sake, they don't).

layperson
April 27, 2006, 10:05 PM
[quote=Dhurr

I basically demolished all your points.
1. You can't show that other players get so many chances (or even anything remotely close) like Ashraful does.
2. HIs presence doesn't "increase" our chances of winning; his performance does, and he hasn't been performing as of late.
3. Ashraful has been given chances; he wasted all those chances.
4. Please don't talk about Aftab. He wasn't "dropped", so bringing him up is meaningless.[/quote]

sorry but my reply this time also doesnt have any stats to please you. However from memory I can say that alok had a fairly long run before he was dropped for performing miserably. I just read in another thread in this forum in a post by spitfire that tushar imran failed for 9 consecutive innings starting in the England test matches and into the natwest series. I am not providing stats not because there is none but because I am too lazy or cannot manage my time well enough to spend hours digging up information. I talk based on my memory and the knowledge I have about the game.
You also said including ashraful does not include the chances of a victory. I think it does because he is our best batsman and has played a role in most of our victories. Now if you do not think he is our best batsman then obviously you will not agree with my judgement. Then it is just a difference of opinion based on my perspective and yours and no one on god's earth can say that you are right and I am wrong because these are all normative statements.
Yes ashraful has been given chances and he has somewhat capitalized on them. In terms of the bangladeshi players records he has done ok. Yes I also expect more from him than other players in BD simply bcoz he has the ability to do so. But dropping him wont give you another player who can do anything that ashraful cannot do. However when he does score it makes a difference to the team. Just as an example bashars 70 in the second ODI was useless because it just slowed down the runrate and made sure we lose( not to take any credit away from him, he tried his best and came at a difficult situation). This is my belief that if ashraful had scored a 70 in that match things would have been different.
I was not talking about aftab being dropped. I was just making a statement that him and ashraful are the best batsmen we have and we should play them if they are fit to have any chances of victory. This is because we do not have the reserve strength to replace two player like them. IN terms of BD standard they are the best we have got.

In conlusion I stand by what I said however I could not produce stats for you to satisfy or convince you and I already told you why. Now it is upto you to take it or leave it. If you dont buy what I am saying you can just go on about your business and I will go on about mine. If anyone else can and want they are more than welcome to produce the stats for "dhurr". But from memory I think javed omar, habibul bashar, shariar nafees, tushar imran, all were inconsistent in the england tour which was more than 9 matches consecutively since you take both the test innings into consideration that is actually 10 matches, 4 from the tests and 6 from the ODIs. And yes ashraful and aftab were also inconsistent. However their efforts bought that lone glory upon Bangladesh. That for me is the reason for persisting with these two because when they click they make a difference. Inconsistency is not a trait of only ashraful but all the BD batsmen so far.

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 10:14 PM
Honestly, is this supposed to be our version of Tendulkar or Lara? Please! First, he needs to look up this word called CONSISTENCY in the dictionary. Inexperience can not be an excuse for him after five years, thirty-three tests and sixty-seven ODIs. Potential - he has oodles of it. Some of you would take it a step further and say he oozes match-winning potential. Well, unless his potential translates into success and consistency, I think we all need to back off a little bit and lower our irrational expectations. See him for what he is: a wildly inconsistent batsman with the potential to do big things, not a batsman whose absence is the glaring reason for every defeat.
I love this post. That last sentence - I couldn't have put it any better, even if I tried.

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 10:15 PM
you could have easily got some stats in the time it took u to type this huge post

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 10:16 PM
So you are saying all the other batters have performed better than ashraful and none of them have gone through 9 consecutive innnings without scoring ??? bah bah bah . I wonder how bangladesh lose so many matches then .My problem with the whole episode is two fold. I cannot comprehend dropping ashraful in the middle of this series when his presence increases the chances of a win manifold. Second if you are dropping ashraful for nine consecutive failures( where u took the test matches into account ) then dont you think there are a lot of others who should be dropped too. As far as i can remember the only player who performs on a fairly regular basis is bashar and that too in test matches only. Why the hypocrisy then? Rules should be fair for all the players and if not then the more talented ones should have more chances not the other way round that you give lesser chances to the talented players. I want to see bangladesh win and having our best players out there increases the chances of that. Aftab and ashraful are the two best batsmen bangladesh have right now.
I completely understand the points you are making. But please take the time to read my two posts in the following thread to see the flip-side to this argument. Thanks mate.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=16223

layperson
April 27, 2006, 10:29 PM
I completely understand the points you are making. But please take the time to read my two posts in the following thread to see the flip-side to this argument. Thanks mate.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=16223

yes bro i completely understand your viewpoint. I also concede that ashraful has gorssly underachieved and is inconsistent. I never said he is consistent. If you have read my post the only problem I have is most of the bangladeshi players are inconsistent as well and singling out ashraful is not right. This is just my viewpoint. Moreover as you have feared I do not think we have the bench strenght to afford to drop players like ashraful and aftab.

And for Mr. Sauron I wrote that in about 7 minutes. I doubt I would be able to dig up stats that fast. Diggin up stats would mean going through each and every scorecard of all the tours bangladesh has played in the last one year and comparing everyones scores. Maybe I am not as fast in digging up things as some other people are which is why it takes me a long time to write research based essays for school.

reyme
April 28, 2006, 01:49 AM
Ashraful may be the best but he has looked DESPERATELY out of touch in EACH and EVERY innings he's played since SL. That is the only reason I want him rested. In every innings he got lucky to have not been out a little earlier than he was. He was NOT playing very confidently, or his idea of confidence probably means getting lucky every time. Simple statistics will never tell you how he played his game. And seeing his performance in the last ODI, I can only perceive from his body language that he has lost his self-confidence. How else do you explain him blocking every ball, taking 5 runs without any boundaries (very unlike ashraful) off 23 balls, and then when he decided to hit, he was out! Previously he was hitting and getting lucky, and then getting out to as some would say "controversial" decisions! But fact is he really didnt contribute with anything positive in those innings, and at times only added to the mire we were in.

I wonder why some people still dont get it? Some people are running out of excuses

arafath79
April 28, 2006, 08:20 AM
Ashraful is nothing but a hopeless player.

Shakalaka
April 28, 2006, 04:15 PM
yeah! i see the point now about the thread. Bloddy ASH. should be axed for a year minimum.