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sadi
April 26, 2006, 10:25 AM
I don't usually open a thread like this but this time, things got a little complicated. After we dropped Ash and Aftab was out in the 2nd odi due to a cold, Javed was back in the team and did his bit with a slow 30+ innings. For the 3rd odi, whats' your team?? Here is mine:

Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hussain

The question remains, do you drop Ash for another game or you bring him back? Do you give Tushar another chance? What do you do with Javed Omar?

Spitfire_x86
April 26, 2006, 10:27 AM
I'd go with your team

Mr-Cricket
April 26, 2006, 10:36 AM
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hussain

Personally, I think that team is currently our best team in ODI. The problem is Ashraful has only just been dropped due to his lack of form; Aftab has just missed a game through illness - opening the door for Javed Omar; and Tushar Imran and Alok Kapali have only just been re-introduced into the squad. We're in a real pickle here. Briefly, here is what I think should be done.

1. Keep Ashfaul out of squad for the last game (he clearly needs to get the message that he is expendible if he does not perform). To compensate, Aftab must be immediately recalled, provided he is over his 'illness'.

2. Javed really does deserve to retain his place now that he played a crucial role in digging us out of a hole, alongwith Bashar, when we were precariously placed at 8/3 (4.0) - the fact that we eventually lost the game should not come into consideration. The problem this presents then is that one of Tushar/Kapali will need to be dropped. Personally, I see far more potential in Kapali, both as a batsman and as a bowler (Rajin can bowl off-spin to cover for Tushars part time bowling). It is unfair on Tushar, considering he has only played the 2 games, but he really hasn't done anything of note just yet, to make that position his.

sadi
April 26, 2006, 10:36 AM
Well Shahadat did quite well I believe... eventhough mashrafee got all the wickets in teh beginning, I felt like Shahadat was bowling better than Mashrafee.... I guess Rasel will sit for a while

Miraz
April 26, 2006, 10:38 AM
I don't usually open a thread like this but this time, things got a little complicated. After we dropped Ash and Aftab was out in the 2nd odi due to a cold, Javed was back in the team and did his bit with a slow 30+ innings. For the 3rd odi, whats' your team?? Here is mine:

Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hussain

The question remains, do you drop Ash for another game or you bring him back? Do you give Tushar another chance? What do you do with Javed Omar?

This should be the team. Probably Masri will be out due to injury and Rasel will take his place.

I can bet for one thing, after todays performance selectors will keep JO with the expense of either Ash/Kapali or Rajin

sadi
April 26, 2006, 10:40 AM
If Ash sits out for the last game and aftab comes back, one of these three javed/tushar/alok will be dropped and I would drop javed eventhough he played an okay innings.... I don't see a place for him in the lineup... shahriar nafees and rajin should keep opening and selectors made it pretty clear by playing javed in number 3 in the second odi....

Mr-Cricket
April 26, 2006, 10:40 AM
Well Shahadat did quite well I believe... eventhough mashrafee got all the wickets in teh beginning, I felt like Shahadat was bowling better than Mashrafee.... I guess Rasel will sit for a while
Totally agree. He was really impressive when he came back for his last 2 overs at the death, mixed things up really well, and decieved Hussey on numerous occasions. I love watching that kid bowl.

sadi
April 26, 2006, 10:41 AM
This should be the team. Probably Masri will be out due to injury and Rasel will take his place.

I can bet for one thing, after todays performance selectors will keep JO with the expense of either Ash/Kapali or Rajin

I guess we got our new number 3 :o

Mr-Cricket
April 26, 2006, 10:42 AM
If Ash sits out for the last game and aftab comes back, one of these three javed/tushar/alok will be dropped and I would drop javed eventhough he played an okay innings.... I don't see a place for him in the lineup... shahriar nafees and rajin should keep opening and selectors made it pretty clear by playing javed in number 3 in the second odi....
Very good point you make. :up:

But do you think they will reconsider, after todays events? (It wouldn't be fair to drop Rajin down the order based on todays performance alone, but do you think the selectors will rethink their position anyway?)

islam
April 26, 2006, 10:56 AM
J omar
nafees
T imran
H bashar
A Ahmed
R S
K M
M R
M M
A R
S H

Mr-Cricket
April 26, 2006, 10:58 AM
'Islam' mate, your 19, and you live in Melbourne. Reveal yourself at once, I say! :lol:

Edit: Sorry, I just read through your posts, your not even Bangladeshi are you!

Sham
April 26, 2006, 10:58 AM
Personally, I would like to see both Ashraful and Aftab in the team in places of Javed and Tushar because they are definitely part of our best ODI team. I think Tushar's battle is with Kapali for number 6 position, or that is what it should be!

However, since the selectors are unlikely to bring Ashraful back for the next game, I'd Aftab back into the team at number 3 in place of the person who was covering for him in the first place, Javed Omar. It is a bit harsh on Golla after he scores some runs where 3 of the top 4 scored 2 runs combined. But after all, we need to look forward and unless Javed is opening the innings, I don't see any justification for having him in the middle order. If he is unsuitable as an ODI opener, he is definitely unsuitable as a middle order bat in ODIs.

So my team is:

Rajin
Nafees
Aftab
Bashar
Tushar
Alok
Mashud
Rafique
Mashrafe
Rajjak
Shahadat

And our captain has to understand that he needs to bowl out the bowlers who are doing the job for him, like Rajjak, and not overbowl part-timers like Rajin. What was the need for bowling the part-time bowlers for 13 overs and not letting Rajjak finish his quota? It made no sense, the guy was bowling really well!

amra_korbo_joy
April 26, 2006, 11:04 AM
Selectors made difficult to win by dropping Ashraful. I lost energy to make up my team.

Sauron
April 26, 2006, 11:25 AM
I think Syed Rasel deserves a recall, in place of one of the spinners.

Given how Fatullah wicket behaved in the 1st ODI, I'd day replace Kapali with Rasel. I know it would hurt our batting a bit, but not much.



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Sauron
April 26, 2006, 11:26 AM
And Ash might be given a chance as well, in place of JO

sensible
April 26, 2006, 01:45 PM
Are we Bangladeshis always maintain DOUBLE STANDARDS?

The team selection really surprised me. Some of the JO haters achieved a new low!

I think in the second oneday, JO did a very good job. Given the performence of all other so called STAR and TALENTED and MATCH WINNING batsmen in the team, he did great. And yet he is being dropped!! Some of us are willing to bet on Ash's formless talent instead of inform and apparently talentless JO. I don't understand this hypocrisy!

I agree JO is not as talented as Ash or Aftab. But he works hard and there is no question about his commitment to the team. He gets out because he lacks skills. Not because he is careless. Players like JO knows that even consistent performance on the field may not be enough for them to ensure a place in the team. That's why they try to maintain their performance level Unlike some other who thinks Bangladesh cricket cannot live without them! So they come to field with an attitude and plays one or two STUPID shots and gets out. And then they claim that the opponents are below standard! And some of us are still supporting them!!! I think this is one of the root cause for Bangladesh still strugling in every area: economy, sports, politics and what not.

I think we should realize that paper tigers won't be enough to beat any team, let alone Australia. So we should forget about the paper talents and go with those who performs on the field.

Imtiazk
April 26, 2006, 01:49 PM
What has Shahadat actually achieved ? Could someone remind me ?

sadi
April 26, 2006, 02:08 PM
Shahadat actually did quite well... you wouldn't know it by looking at the scorecard though.... he kept things quite tight...

Spitfire_x86
April 26, 2006, 02:17 PM
I agree JO is not as talented as Ash or Aftab. But he works hard and there is no question about his commitment to the team. He gets out because he lacks skills. Not because he is careless. Players like JO knows that even consistent performance on the field may not be enough for them to ensure a place in the team.
Yes, JO with his "consistent" performance will make sure that we lose matches consistently by "honorable margin", and occasionally suffer big defeats. On the other hand, players like like Ashraful makes sure that we win once in a while.

Who are setting double standards? Not Ashraful/Aftab fans. If JO scores single digit score, then it doesn't count. If he scores 20s/30s, then its equivalent of Ashraful/Aftab's 50. On the other hand, people demand Ashraful's head for single digit scores, 20s/30s count as nothing and 50+ scores come as expected from him.

That's why they try to maintain their performance level Unlike some other who thinks Bangladesh cricket cannot live without them! So they come to field with an attitude and plays one or two STUPID shots and gets out. And then they claim that the opponents are below standard! And some of us are still supporting them!!! I think this is one of the root cause for Bangladesh still strugling in every area: economy, sports, politics and what not.
Do you know why many of us still support players like Ashraful? Because we don't have equally talented + more consistent alternatives and the day of so called talentless "hard workers" and "honorable defeats" are over.

Spitfire_x86
April 26, 2006, 02:25 PM
What has Shahadat actually achieved ? Could someone remind me ?
He didn't give away 30+ runs in his final 2 overs, which Taposh, Nazmul (and even Mashrafee) often did in past.

sadi
April 26, 2006, 02:44 PM
Go Javed... our new number 3

shimraj
April 26, 2006, 04:45 PM
I think Syed Rasel deserves a recall, in place of one of the spinners.

Given how Fatullah wicket behaved in the 1st ODI, I'd day replace Kapali with Rasel. I know it would hurt our batting a bit, but not much.
...

So far in this series (both test and odi) our bowlers outperformed our batsmen by a mountain. So why are you trying to hurt the batting with the expense of bowling? :eek:

shimraj
April 26, 2006, 04:49 PM
And Ash might be given a chance as well, in place of JO

For scoring 34 in 56 as oppose to Ash 5 in 23. Bravo. You rock. :eek: :o

bop
April 26, 2006, 04:57 PM
Ash must be out for rest of the series. He needs to get in his head that if he doesn’t play sensibly then his one century not going to buy him free ride in BD team. ffice
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I used to be big time JO fan. But I think you can’t improve JO any more. He may do good here and there but JO reached his potential, you can’t make him an international cricketer then what he is now. I think it is better that we train a younger player to replace JO for future.

SN might score a century but all the video clip I have seen he seems like another ASH. He tries to play every ball come after him. I think he is riding his luck this time just like Ash did in UK.

Sauron
April 26, 2006, 05:01 PM
So far in this series (both test and odi) our bowlers outperformed our batsmen by a mountain. So why are you trying to hurt the batting with the expense of bowling? :eek:

That is exactly the reason why our batting could tolerate this Alok/Rasel trade-off. There was some swing and odd-bounce on Fatullah pitch and it is definitely not as dead as Chittagong pitch.

Instead of trying to perk up our flagging batting, a stronger bowling might do the trick better.

Sauron
April 26, 2006, 05:06 PM
For scoring 34 in 56 as oppose to Ash 5 in 23. Bravo. You rock. :eek: :o
Thank you, sir! For the compliment. Or was it sarcasm?

Anyway, to explain the Ash/JO trade-off a little more, I'd repeat what Spitfire said.

Ash had his little break. It seems like a good idea to pull him back in for the 3rd ODI and see if he has recovered from his hysteria. And if Ash comes back in the team, who should he replace? - JO. The only sane choice for replacement.

Frost
April 26, 2006, 05:11 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Alok Kapali
Khaled Mashud
Manjarul Islam Rana
Maohammad Rafique
Mashrafe Mortaza
Razzak
Shahadat Hossain

Mon
April 26, 2006, 05:29 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Khaled Masud
Habibul Bashar
Nafees Iqbal Khan
Alok Kapali
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Manjurul Islam Rana
Shahadat Hussain

I think rana can offer a whole lot more than Razzak. Nafees Iqbal would be a good choice. Also notice the change in the batting line up. I really think we need someone responsible at #3 and Masud is the best choice in my opinion.

zahid
April 26, 2006, 05:30 PM
My team choice is:

JAVED OMAR
SHAHRIAR NAFEES
RAJIN SALEH
HABIBUL BASHAR
KHALED MASHUD
MOHAMMED RAFIQUE
MUSHFIQUR RAHMAN
MASHRAFE MORTAZA
SYED RASEL
ABDUR RAZZAK
ENAMUL HAQUE JR.

You have 3 quality fast bowlers and 3 quality spinners. Enough to last 50 bowling overs.
And since we have only 2 all-rounders and the better of the two, Aftab is out of form, Rajin stays.

JO must stay. His batting was sensational today.:D

Ash, nope, not yet. Hey, Ash, have a vacation.:lol:

Shahadat was craaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap. He was bowling at THE same place and batsmen memorized his pitching spot and blasted him for fours! I saw the highlights and man! Almost every ball of his looked like a four shot! And let me quote Wasim Akram : "You can't give room to batsmen!" And yet, his balls were very outside the stumps.:eek:

Alok had 2 sixes in 1 over. Need I say more?:mad:

Why Mushfiq? Mushfiq is quite good.Not as good as Mashrafe, but he is suitable.

Yup, thats sums it all.

Mon
April 26, 2006, 05:36 PM
My team choice is:
MOHAMMED RAFIQUE
MUSHFIQUR RAHMAN
MASHRAFE MORTAZA
SYED RASEL
ABDUR RAZZAK
ENAMUL HAQUE JR.

Yup, thats sums it all.

The above does not sum up to me bro. why would you want to play 6 specialist bowlers in an ODI match? This does NOT make whole lotta sense!!!
:o :mad:

Hegar
April 26, 2006, 06:24 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Javed Omar
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Rajin Saleh
Alok Kapali
Khaled Mashud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafe Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain

Ashraful dosn't deserve to be in the team nor does Tushar

al Furqaan
April 26, 2006, 06:49 PM
pacers struggled in 1st match, spinners in 2nd. had they clicked together, we would almost certainly have had the series in our pocket already and would be thinking about whitewashing the Ozzies.

it isn't fair to axe russel after one poor showing, but at present there is no space for him.

my squad:

rajin
SN
aftab
ash
bashar
alok
pilot
rafique
masri
raj
rajib

cricketboy
April 26, 2006, 07:29 PM
Personally I think the team of the person opening the tread is the best for Bangladesh for ODIs. For the 3rd ODI if I was the selector I would play that team. Ashraful and Aftab have much more potential than Tushar and Javed and should be selected if we want a win. Proobably the selectors will drop Tushar and take AFtab-that will be the only change.

annie
April 26, 2006, 08:00 PM
why no body is talking about rajin. this guy shouldn't open at all. He can't play new ball let alone rotating strike. He even can't play lofted drive. I guess as long as debated 'Faruk' is there, this guy will be there. My team:

1. Golla/Nafis Iq
2. Shahreer Nafees
3. Aftab
4. Bashar
5. Ashraful (after every ball bashar should cool down this guy, remind him team position)
6. Alok Kapali
7. Mushfiq Rahim
8. Bagh (Tiger) Rafiq
9. Rajjaq
10. Shahadat
11. Mashrafee
12. Rajin

If there are no opening debacle, kapali can be brought in the middle order in place of bashar. In the middle order, they can also surprise aussi by bringing in left-hander rafiq after 15/20 over to play spin.

Zaheed Mahmood
April 26, 2006, 08:07 PM
I don't usually open a thread like this but this time, things got a little complicated. After we dropped Ash and Aftab was out in the 2nd odi due to a cold, Javed was back in the team and did his bit with a slow 30+ innings. For the 3rd odi, whats' your team?? Here is mine:

Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hussain

The question remains, do you drop Ash for another game or you bring him back? Do you give Tushar another chance? What do you do with Javed Omar?

I would like to go for the above list with the exception of either Ash or Rajin making way for Javed Omar!! Aftab deserves to be in the team before all 3 of them (at the moment), however, if he is ill, JO can replace him!!

thebest
April 26, 2006, 09:37 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Khaled Masud
Habibul Bashar
Nafees Iqbal Khan
Alok Kapali
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafee Mortaza
Manjurul Islam Rana
Shahadat Hussain

I think rana can offer a whole lot more than Razzak. Nafees Iqbal would be a good choice. Also notice the change in the batting line up. I really think we need someone responsible at #3 and Masud is the best choice in my opinion.

I like this time. And AFAIK NI is one of the better player of spin. so he can come in the middle order. Ideally I want Ash to make no 4 as his own. I think for this series selectors would not give him chance. Come on yesterday they thought JO> Ash is one of the worst decision by this selection committee. So NI would be there. As neither HB nor pilot can play over the top i do not want them at crucial no 3. Aftab is quite settled there. Mash probably would not playing. So Rasel would get the chance. I would not drop Rajjak after his performance. He with Rafiq are the best performers of the series.Also Rafiq should play whn spinners are operating. 6 balls from spinner to Rafiq could get us 20 runs. So my team

SN
RS
AA
HB
NI
Alok
Rafiq
Pilot
Rajjak
Rajib
Rasel

BagherBacha
April 26, 2006, 09:52 PM
The team should be and will be::::

Nafees
Jo
Aftab
Ash
Bash
Alok
Masud
Rafiq
Mash
Razzak
Shahadat

No Rajin Pls...he needs some punishment too for playing stupid shots in consecutive games..

Anher
April 26, 2006, 10:04 PM
I believe changing the batting line up could make a huge diffrence in our current best BD team. Ash should have given chance to play his game and find a spot where he wouldnt feel pressure. About alok i think we are not giving him a chance to play his natural game. Most of time when he come the match almost gone to our oppositon. Especially yesterday Khaled masud's coming before kapali was bad choice. Captain was scoring the run in pathetic rate & masud as well when we needed most. That could have been the turning point of the match. I would even prefer rafique at that time if he could add some quick runs to give the boosting power to chase. We should changed the batting line up according to match plan.
if bangladesh do batting first i would prefer the follwing line up....

Mohamad Ashraful
Shariar nafis
Habibul Bashar
Rajin
Alok
Aftab
Pilot
Rafique
Martaza
Razzak
Shahadat

sadi
April 26, 2006, 10:32 PM
I see so many people coming up with so many different lineups... just remember one thing.... lets keep it simple... don't bring in players like nafis or rana who are not even in the squad...

roaring tigerz
April 27, 2006, 12:46 AM
the 2nd odi reminded me of the 'old' bangladesh who huffed and puffed but didnt have the might to put up a fight. what separates that team from team bangladesh now are the young guns like nafees, ashraful and aftab.
to have any chance of pulling off an upset in the 3rd odi we have to be innovative and hope our shot makers fire. here's my team for the 3rd odi

shahriar nafees
rajin saleh
mohammed ashraful
aftab ahmed
habibul bashar
alok kapali
khaled mashud
mohammed rafique
mashrafee mortaza
abdur razzak
shahadat hossain

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 01:01 AM
I see so many people coming up with so many different lineups... just remember one thing.... lets keep it simple... don't bring in players like nafis or rana who are not even in the squad...
It's so depressing watching people butcher our side - making sweeping changes to the team when it's not even necessary. When will they ever learn? Selectors, please ignore the second half of this thread!:lol:

sonarbangla
April 27, 2006, 01:52 AM
Rajin Should Go Out...

Jo
Nafis
Habib
Kapali
Masud
Aftab
Rafiq
Razzak
Mash
Russel
Shahadat

Thunder
April 27, 2006, 03:02 AM
is there any official news about tommorow's team? Is that Asharaul included? what about Masrafe? any update about his injury?

nannu
April 27, 2006, 03:15 AM
u like it or not: this is our best team for odi.

javed omar
s. nafees
rajin saleh
ash
bash
aftab
mashud
rafique
razzaq
mash
shahadat

Bengali_bradman
April 27, 2006, 03:58 AM
My Team will be (as per initial batting order)

Javed Omar
Rajin Saleh
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohd. Ashraful
Alok Kapali (big earlier collapse might get him one step up)
Mohd. Rafiq (in case no big landslide in top order)
Khaled Mashud
Masrafee Mortaza
Tapash Baisshay (Is it possible?)
Abdur Razzak

REASONS:
1. Nafees played 2 good innings in test, and I think he is finding himself relaxed now. I guess he is now thinking himself safe in the team, and thus a bit careless. And, I don't think he has good class of a batsman, especially his batting style, footwork gave me that impression. Once the opponent bowlers have completed reading him - it does not cost them much to get him easily ...(FYI, If you remember, Jahangeer, another opener of BD team 10/15 years ago, used to play real BIG innings against weak bowling or the earlier matches in a series, but later on he contributed only collapses.)
2. We really don't need flying start, we need a steady start with this team. If we attempt to fly and break wings as we did in last match (8/3), we really wont have enough backup resources at the end. So, Rajin and JO should open, they can stick to the ground.
3. HB's order should come upper, it's no gain sending ashraful earlier for yet another gambling, and making the inform HB upset seeing Ash backing to the pav when HB enters crease.(It's likely that ash will play another irresponsible innings next match, but still I think the team needs him)
4. If Tapash can be included in the squad, he should be. The pitch in Fatullah is no good for lofted attacking fast balls of Rajib ... Rather we need one batsman who can score 15-20 in the tail (our ODI team seriously lacks that recently).

PoorFan
April 27, 2006, 04:13 AM
Here is my team same as nannu's team.


Javed ( no matter what people says untill ... )
Nafees
Rajin / Tushar
Ashraful ( no matter how pissed off those selectors are, but NOT now )
Bashar
Aftab
Mashud
Rafique
Razzak
Mashrafee
Shahadat

Mr-khan
April 27, 2006, 04:25 AM
My team:
S.Nafees
Aftab
Rajin
Ashraful
Bashar
kapali
Masud
Rafiq
Rajjak
Mashrafee
Shahadat

TAQATOO
April 27, 2006, 04:50 AM
My team :
Javed Omar
S. Nafees
Rajin Saleh
H. Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Alok Kapali
Khaled Masud
Rafique
Masrafe
Razaak
Sahadat
Tushar Imran should be rested. He is not god with anything. I was wondering why wasn't Bashar using Aftad as a bowler when for aus, MS bowler was doing good.

Mohiul
April 27, 2006, 05:23 AM
I've got a nice headache as I would like to put both Alok and Tushar in the team but there is only one slot for them. the following is my team:

RS
SN
AA
HB
MA
AK/TI
KM
MR
MM
AR
SH

BagherBacha
April 27, 2006, 06:36 AM
NO RAJIN PLS, he is so called cool headed. i am surprised no one even talking abt the way he got out in both odi. HIS ROLE HAD to stay in the crease and look what he did. so no RAJIN pls for now atleast

sadi
April 27, 2006, 08:21 AM
wow... so many people kept javed in the lineup.... about rajin or shahriar nafees... Both will definately play and do well.... its crazy how someone wanted shahriar nafees out of the lineup

sensible
April 27, 2006, 09:00 AM
the day of so called talentless "hard workers" and "honorable defeats" are over

So are the days of so called "talented" promise of a "great" innings in every 20 matches. Bangladesh team needs performance and we should not be happy with playing the best team on paper. We need to play the best best team on field, that is performing today. Not an empty promise.

Spitfire_x86
April 27, 2006, 09:16 AM
So are the days of so called "talented" promise of a "great" innings in every 20 matches. Bangladesh team needs performance and we should not be happy with playing the best team on paper. We need to play the best best team on field, that is performing today. Not an empty promise.
The "talentless hard workers" days are over because we have some inconsistent talented players now. When we will have consistent talented players, then their day will be over.

Miraz
April 27, 2006, 09:32 AM
The "talentless hard workers" days are over because he have some inconsistent talented players. When we will have consistent talented players, then their day will be over.

Good post, Spitty :up:

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 09:40 AM
The "talentless hard workers" days are over because he have some inconsistent talented players. When we will have consistent talented players, then their day will be over.

Very well put! :up:




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sensible
April 27, 2006, 09:59 AM
So in your opinion we should keep playing formless talented players and wish for a miracle to happen?

Thats where I disagree. I think we should be more practical and play the best team on the day of the match. Not wait for a miracle to happen so that our talented formless player gets their form back by the act of almighty! I think we should help our talented players to get their act together and teach them how to be responsible! I think we should tell our talented player that the TEAM is greater than any one player.

Miraz
April 27, 2006, 10:25 AM
Its about 9:30 PM, Bangladesh time. Is there any news about the playing XI on TV News???

Anybody here from Bangladesh????

sadi
April 27, 2006, 10:50 AM
How do you know a talented guy is formless?? The way he plays or the way he gets out?? As far as I am concerned, Ash doesn't look formless... he just need some work upstairs...

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 10:53 AM
How do you know a talented guy is formless?? The way he plays or the way he gets out?? As far as I am concerned, Ash doesn't look formless... he just need some work upstairs...

Another great observation! :up:

Now put Spitfire's post and Sadi's post together. And you got the two line explanation for all the Ash worshippers and all the JO worshippers.




...

amra_korbo_joy
April 27, 2006, 10:55 AM
Ashraful ( licence him to play his stroke. He will know himself. )
Nafees (form batsman)
Aftab (He can not play spin. So this is his batting order)(5 overs)
Bashar
Alok / Rajin (5 overs)
Mashud
Rafique (10 overs)
Razzak (10 overs)
Mashrafee (10 overs)
Shahadat (10 overs)

With out Ashraful and Aftab contribution, winning is far far dream. Do our selectors know this.

chinaman
April 27, 2006, 11:02 AM
Quite amazing to see how many of you dropped JO. Is it because he is too slow? If it is just a personal disliking, I've nothing further to say.

To me, accumulating runs is a prority over strike rates, given the current state of our cricket. I wouldn't mind losing match after match at all if we consistently score 250+ runs completing all 50 overs. We need runs, it just doesn't matter how many extra balls are required to play it out.

If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is no surprise, winning is bonus, making the opponent sweat for each win is the target.

limon
April 27, 2006, 11:04 AM
NS
JO
Ash
HB
RS
Af
KH
MR
MM
SH
AR

sadi
April 27, 2006, 11:15 AM
If we score 250+ runs in 50 overs, we won't lose all the matches.

chinaman
April 27, 2006, 11:35 AM
Yeah. It will come more often :) Even 230+ will do.

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 11:53 AM
Quite amazing to see how many of you dropped JO. Is it because he is too slow? If it is just a personal disliking, I've nothing further to say.

I do not know JO personally and I doubt anyone (not even Spitfire:)) knows JO personally. Obviously, it is nothing personal

I wish you'd be as agressive with your cricket logic as you are with your strikes on posters (or as I like to call them in Bangla - চায়নাম্যানের গায়েবী ঠাডা ) ;)

JO being too slow is one of the factors. But that is not the only thing.

If you have watched him play over the last decade (not just looked at the scoreboard, actually watched), you would realize that he is performing at the top stretch of his abilities and still not just good enough.

JO plays across.
JO defends while mooning the stumps ... both legs right in front ... prime LBW candidate.
He swishes and swings wildly
And pokes at outswingers outside off.
He does not rotate strike.
He rides on luck for his bigger innings.
Against smaller fries like Kenya, he is okay. But against quality bowling he is clueless.
Chinaman likes JOOkay, that last one is not a fault, it's a quality ;)

Most of our batsmen have one or more of the problems that JO has. But only JO can boast of possessing all of the qualities.




If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is no surprise, winning is bonus, making the opponent sweat for each win is the target.
I want to modify your statement this way -
If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is not an option, making the opponent sweat for each win is a fair consolation, winning is the target.

As long as you think losing is no surprise, I don't blame you for liking JO's style. Because that is what JO's style is - losing style.



...

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 11:56 AM
So in your opinion we should keep playing formless talented players and wish for a miracle to happen?

Thats where I disagree. I think we should be more practical and play the best team on the day of the match. Not wait for a miracle to happen so that our talented formless player gets their form back by the act of almighty! I think we should help our talented players to get their act together and teach them how to be responsible! I think we should tell our talented player that the TEAM is greater than any one player.

To me, accumulating runs is a prority over strike rates, given the current state of our cricket. I wouldn't mind losing match after match at all if we consistently score 250+ runs completing all 50 overs. We need runs, it just doesn't matter how many extra balls are required to play it out.

Great posts guy! Chinaman in particular for his emphasis on stability. :up:

sadi
April 27, 2006, 11:56 AM
I do not know JO personally and I doubt anyone (not even Spitfire:)) knows JO personally. Obviously, it is nothing personal

I wish you'd be as agressive with your cricket logic as you are your strikes on posters ;)

JO being too slow is one of the factors. But that is not the only thing.

If you have watched him play (not just looked at the scoreboard, actually watched), you would realize that he is performing at the top stretch of his abilities and still not just good enough.

JO plays across.
JO defends while mooning the stumps ... both legs right in front ... prime LBW candidate.
He swishes and swings wildly
And pokes at outswingers outside off.
He does not rotate strike.
He rides on luck for his bigger innings
Against smaller fries like Kenya, he is okay. But against quality bowling he is clueless.
Chinaman likes himOkay, that last one is not a fault, it's a quality ;)

Most of our batsmen have one or more of the problems that JO has. But only JO can boast of possessing all of the qualities.



I want to modify your statement this way -
If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is not an option, making the opponent sweat for each win is a fair consolation, winning is the target.

As long as you think losing is no surprise, I don't blame you for liking JO's style. Because that is what JO's style is - losing style.

well said :up:

istiak
April 27, 2006, 12:10 PM
After reading all the post i could not find any logical explanation to drop JO from the.

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 12:10 PM
JO plays across.
JO defends while mooning the stumps ... both legs right in front ... prime LBW candidate.
He swishes and swings wildly
And pokes at outswingers outside off.
He does not rotate strike.
He rides on luck for his bigger innings.
I'm not arguing with any of the points that you have made. But some of them do need to be addressed/clarified.

Points 1,2 & 3: Nafees does the same (he got out this way in the 2nd ODI), and yet, I do not want him to be omitted.

Point 4: Rajin got out this way in the 2nd ODI, and yet, I do not want him to be omitted.

Point 5: This was one of the positives I picked up from Omar's innings in the 2nd ODI. He (and not Bashar) was the one forcing the quick singles to be taken (whether or not all of these runs came off his bat is not the point). This is precisely the reason I want him to retain his place for the final ODI.

Point 6: Ashraful does the same, and this is precisely the reason I agreed with his omission.


Thanks mate. Your bringing up some good points, nonetheless. :up:

Imtiazk
April 27, 2006, 12:13 PM
I do not know JO personally and I doubt anyone (not even Spitfire:)) knows JO personally. Obviously, it is nothing personal

I wish you'd be as agressive with your cricket logic as you are with your strikes on posters (or as I like to call them in Bangla - চায়নাম্যানের গায়েবী ঠাডা ) ;)

JO being too slow is one of the factors. But that is not the only thing.

If you have watched him play over the last decade (not just looked at the scoreboard, actually watched), you would realize that he is performing at the top stretch of his abilities and still not just good enough.

JO plays across.
JO defends while mooning the stumps ... both legs right in front ... prime LBW candidate.
He swishes and swings wildly
And pokes at outswingers outside off.
He does not rotate strike.
He rides on luck for his bigger innings.
Against smaller fries like Kenya, he is okay. But against quality bowling he is clueless.
Chinaman likes JOOkay, that last one is not a fault, it's a quality ;)

Most of our batsmen have one or more of the problems that JO has. But only JO can boast of possessing all of the qualities.




I want to modify your statement this way -
If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is not an option, making the opponent sweat for each win is a fair consolation, winning is the target.

As long as you think losing is no surprise, I don't blame you for liking JO's style. Because that is what JO's style is - losing style.



...

I do not have any figures to back me up, but I would be surprised if JO is slower comparitively than others since the England tour. His average is better than the "average" batsman.

So, unless, it can be proved that, on recent form, say, the last six months, there are six batsmen whose strike rate and runs average are better than JO, I would imagine that for those asking JO to be dropped, it is nothing but a personal vendetta which should simply be ignored.

Yes, he gets out after scoring high teens and twenties. But tell me , in this team, who does not. Bashar scored a 70 but did not have the energy to take two's. So what good was it when the asking run rate was 5 odd when he came in and 10 odd when he got out.

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 12:18 PM
I'm not arguing with any of the points that you have made. But some of them do need to be addressed/clarified.
...
...

Thanks mate. Your bringing up some good points, nonetheless. :up:
Thanks for the kind thumbs up! And thanks for being such a reasonable person!
And I agree completely with your post. Your post nicely elaborates this line in my post -


Most of our batsmen have one or more of the problems that JO has. But only JO can boast of possessing all of the qualities.

sadi
April 27, 2006, 12:22 PM
Point 6: Ashraful does the same, and this is precisely the reason I agreed with his omission.


I don't necessarily agree with you about Ashraful... but just one question... if you support the omission of ash, why don't you support the omission of JO for the same reason?

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 12:28 PM
I don't necessarily agree with you about Ashraful... but just one question... if you support the omission of ash, why don't you support the omission of JO for the same reason?

From his post, I thought he changed his mind about JO :eek: ... hence I thought he is a reasonable person. Did I completely miss the turn???

And, yeah I agree with you Sadi - I think Ash is not quite that good a fit as JO for the "riding on his luck" category. But speaking in generalities, Ash does have his share of luck-ride ... and so does a lot of other players from all teams around the world.

Spitfire_x86
April 27, 2006, 12:30 PM
Great post, Sauron :up:

I want to modify your statement this way -
If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is not an option, making the opponent sweat for each win is a fair consolation, winning is the target.

As long as you think losing is no surprise, I don't blame you for liking JO's style. Because that is what JO's style is - losing style.
:great:

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 12:30 PM
I don't necessarily agree with you about Ashraful... but just one question... if you support the omission of ash, why don't you support the omission of JO for the same reason?
The points I made were obviously not definitive. I get into much more detail on Ashraful's omission in Miraz's thread. But in short, I personally saw some positives in JO's innings in the 2nd ODI in Ashraful's absense, and for this reason, and this reason alone, I think he should now retain his place for the final ODI today (Keep in mind that I am not necessarily a "JO Fan" - I am an open minded Bangladeshi supporter; and that I too wanted JO omitted from the ODI squad immediately following the Test series vs Australia).

istiak
April 27, 2006, 12:34 PM
Is this stat support our JO haters anyway:
Ashraful: 67 1209 100 19.50 1 8
Javed: 50 1142 85* 24.82 0 9

Ash Played 17 more matches and scored only 67 more runs than JO in ODIs. After playing 67 matches having an avg of 19.5 is just not defendable.

We all know JO have problem but who else is there not having those?

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 12:38 PM
And, yeah I agree with you Sadi - I think Ash is not quite that good a fit as JO for the "riding on his luck" category. But speaking in generalities, Ash does have his share of luck-ride ... and so does a lot of other players from all teams around the world.
Again, not making a huge fuss over this. But if you recall the Natwest Series, as one example, Ashraful was dropped no less than 3 times in his innings of 100 vs Australia; played onto his stumps on Chris Tremlett's hat-trick ball in his innings of 94 off 54 balls vs England (the bails miraculously failed to dislodge); and if my memory serves me correctly, he top-edged Brett Lee for 6 over Adam Gilchrist's head, then was promptly bowled the very next ball in his innings of 7 vs Australia several matches later. Now thats some serious luck! ;)

istiak
April 27, 2006, 12:41 PM
But in short, I personally saw some positives in JO's innings in the 2nd ODI in Ashraful's absense, and for this reason, and this reason only, I think he should now retain his place for the final ODI today (Keep in mind that I am not necessarily a "JO Fan" - I am an open minded Bangladeshi fan; and that I too wanted JO be omitted from the ODI squad immediately following the Test series vs Australia).

I like your comment!!

I like to see the best possible team playing for BD in every match, and because of this argument i don't want to see comment like we need to develop our young generation and so drop Jo and bring some new blood etc etc.

If somebody do well i got no problem dropping JO or even Basher. I hope i manged to get my point through.

Spitfire_x86
April 27, 2006, 12:44 PM
Again, not making a huge fuss over this. If you recall the Natwest Series, as one example, Ashraful was dropped no less than 3 times in his innings of 100 vs Australia; played onto his stumps on Chris Tremlett's hat-trick ball in his innings of 94 off 52 balls vs England (the bails miraculously failed to dislodge);
At least he scores big when he rides on his luck. In the 2nd ODI, JO nearly got bowled from insideedge when he was on 4.

and if my memory serves me correctly, he top-edged Brett Lee for 6 over Adam Gilchrist's head, then was promptly bowled the very next ball in his innings of 7 vs Australia several matches later. Now thats some serious luck! ;)
No, in that match he scored 50+. In his innings of 7, he pulled Brett Lee (clean hit) for SIX and got bowled in the next delivery (yorker)

istiak
April 27, 2006, 12:48 PM
At least he scores big when he rides on his luck. In the 2nd ODI, JO nearly got bowled from insideedge when he was on 4.

Problem is how many BIG he scored in his life? 8X50s and 1X100 out of 67 innings

Mr-Cricket
April 27, 2006, 12:48 PM
At least he scores big when he rides on his luck. In the 2nd ODI, JO nearly got bowled from insideedge when he was on 4.

Point taken. (I was only elaborating on some of my previous statements).

rudro
April 27, 2006, 12:55 PM
wow... so many people kept javed in the lineup.... about rajin or shahriar nafees... Both will definately play and do well.... its crazy how someone wanted shahriar nafees out of the lineup
I am not surprised. 8/3 to 183/10 was possible just for JO-HB-KM. The most experienced batting trio. Don't tell me you guys didn't see that!

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 01:01 PM
As I mentioned in another thread, this could be our team for 3rd ODI -

JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
Rafique
Mashrafe

We can send JO over and over again. And we need our two sure-shot bowlers.

chinaman
April 27, 2006, 02:11 PM
Wishful thinking is good, even hoping big is better but being realistic is probably the best idea. Of course I want to see my team win. However, we can not win every match but we can be competative at most if not all the matches. And that is where I set my eyes for now.

About liking and disliking. I think passing on this judgement without meeting some is quite possible. Someone doesn't have to meet Ash to either like or dislike him. No?

I don't have extra feeling for JO or anyone else in the team for that matter. I like them all and I'll support them till the end.

Current national players are kind of first generation of test players for us. Typically when they were growing up, they did not aspire to be professional cricketers. They got the first taste of institutionalized as well as professional touch at a much higher age. Musfiq and the likes represent the second generation. Aftab, Rajin, Nafees and the likes represent what could be called a transitional generation.

It is only natural that there will be flaws, both in technique and application, among the players of the first generation. Even the basics wouldn't be flawless. But still, Bashar, Gullu and Mashud continue to beat the odds and exibit worthiness with all their flaws. No wonder they say, cricket is a funny game.

sensible
April 27, 2006, 04:03 PM
After Natwest Trophy (SL Home and Away and Kenya Series), here are the averages:
Ave SR
MA 19.1 60.6
JO 26.8 39.6

In these matches, MI was caught 8 times, bowled once, and LBW once. The numbers of JO are: Not Out once, caught 5 times, LBW twice, and Run Out once.

So JO has a lower strikerate. However, he is more consistent and has a higher average.

Anyway, I'm not a JO fan. I want Team Bangladesh to perform well. We do have a chance to win tonight and I want all the inform players to be included in the team.

Tigers_eye
April 27, 2006, 04:08 PM
After Natwest Trophy (SL Home and Away and Kenya Series), here are the averages:
Ave SR
MI 19.1 60.6
JO 26.8 39.6
...


Who is MI? or is it NI?

sensible
April 27, 2006, 04:29 PM
sry, MA, not MI

annie
April 27, 2006, 08:24 PM
rajin saleh shouldn't open, he doesn't have the technique to play new ball. thats why opener is a specialist position. even in bd pitch (slow), he looks like a deer caught in the car headlight and i can't think of him as a opener outside subcontinent. after rajin got out in the first odi, harsha was saying, " when last time I saw rajin he was struggling against left hand pacer (irfan pathan), team management should notice that". bd should find out some settle openning pair for long time.

Now, if you put this guy in the middle order, he can not rotate strike at all. one match against kenya shouldn't be the judging factor. Overall pilot/rajin/golla are not suitable for odi, if runrate is soaring and one of this guy is in the middle, then opponent should not out them if they want to win with minimum risk. mashrafee should bat at 11.

anyway, any of you noticed bret lee baught a jackfruit just before the bd game, i guess he is buying that for bd batsman..

Sauron
April 27, 2006, 09:29 PM
Wishful thinking is good, even hoping big is better but being realistic is probably the best idea. Of course I want to see my team win. However, we can not win every match but we can be competative at most if not all the matches. And that is where I set my eyes for now.

I think Wasim Akram disagrees with you. Of course, what does Akram know?

Wasim Akram in his interview with Daily Star -
"See, they are happy when there's a draw. You'll never win (with that mentality). It's a general life principle. If you lose, it doesn't matter as long as you go for a win. And every time your team says they are learning from mistakes. I've been here for five years. The same team is playing and the same mistakes are being repeated"
Source - Daily Star

Fortunately you cannot moderate Wasim Akram.


...

Spitfire_x86
April 27, 2006, 10:23 PM
We got our dream team!! Aftab, Ashraful in and JO, Tushar out :joy: :fanflag:

A big THANK YOU to the selectors for not being deceived by JO's 34

chinaman
April 27, 2006, 10:52 PM
Well may be Akram knows something that nobody else does. What is the draw he is talking about? How many draws we could possibly muster so far? When I'm stuggling to score 1 run, I think I should set small targets of 20 or 30 runs instead of 100s.

Anyway, feel free to disagree. I have my logic, you have your's (or imported :) ).

BTW, I'd appreciate if you don't use formating. Thanks.

Spitfire_x86
April 27, 2006, 11:02 PM
How many draws we see in contemporary test cricket anyway?

sensible
April 27, 2006, 11:45 PM
Just wondering...if Sauron and team are still watching the game.....Bangladesh 41/3......

islam
April 27, 2006, 11:47 PM
Why drop J omar for asraful?

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:23 AM
The "talentless hard workers" days are over because we have some inconsistent talented players now. When we will have consistent talented players, then their day will be over.
Huh!!! Look at your talented inconsistents ... Kenya has far better talented players than these Shahria nafees, Ashraful, Aftab ...But the only thing they lack is consistency ... and you saw how they lost 4-0 ... Be sensible, the first thing in a slow and steady game like cricket require is consistency, well temperment and patience (all connected to each other so closely).

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:25 AM
Ashraful ( licence him to play his stroke. He will know himself. )
Nafees (form batsman)
Aftab (He can not play spin. So this is his batting order)(5 overs)
Bashar
Alok / Rajin (5 overs)
Mashud
Rafique (10 overs)
Razzak (10 overs)
Mashrafee (10 overs)
Shahadat (10 overs)

With out Ashraful and Aftab contribution, winning is far far dream. Do our selectors know this.
Man!!! 1 member missing!!! You think 10 bengals are enough to fight 11 aussies? ...hahaha

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:40 AM
I do not know JO personally and I doubt anyone (not even Spitfire:)) knows JO personally. Obviously, it is nothing personal

I wish you'd be as agressive with your cricket logic as you are with your strikes on posters (or as I like to call them in Bangla - চায়নাম্যানের গায়েবী ঠাডা ) ;)

JO being too slow is one of the factors. But that is not the only thing.

If you have watched him play over the last decade (not just looked at the scoreboard, actually watched), you would realize that he is performing at the top stretch of his abilities and still not just good enough.

JO plays across.
JO defends while mooning the stumps ... both legs right in front ... prime LBW candidate.
He swishes and swings wildly
And pokes at outswingers outside off.
He does not rotate strike.
He rides on luck for his bigger innings.
Against smaller fries like Kenya, he is okay. But against quality bowling he is clueless.
Chinaman likes JOOkay, that last one is not a fault, it's a quality ;)

Most of our batsmen have one or more of the problems that JO has. But only JO can boast of possessing all of the qualities.




I want to modify your statement this way -
If I like to be realistic I'd say for us, losing is not an option, making the opponent sweat for each win is a fair consolation, winning is the target.

As long as you think losing is no surprise, I don't blame you for liking JO's style. Because that is what JO's style is - losing style.



...
It's not a problem of you have to know him personally to hate him ..he is a national figure ... Your first logic sounded pretty much stupid ..

I am answering Your points about JO ... (1 by 1)
1. He is the BD player who plays accross the least ... you better check the videos ...JO and Hannan Sarker are the two batsmen played in BD team who are best in playing straight bat.
2.Your second point is pretty much right ... That's the weakest point about JO
3. He is the least wild hitter in BD team ...Take note and watch out all his fours ...I think no BD player can play such 'Matighesha' beautiful shot like him ...If you don't agree ask 'Raqibul Hassan' (legendary BD batsman) ...It was his comment
4. And pokes at outswingers outside off - Who doesn't in BD team ... Most players are out in this way.
5. He does not rotate strike. -- You don't expect that from an opener ...learn some cricket
6.He rides on luck for his bigger innings - He played the best chanceless innings in BD team ... Just watch the videos.

Of course JO is not a greaaaat player, but our team does not yet have such players that we can spare him. remember, cricket needs patiente, hard-work and concentration. JO does not lack these thing ... and he is the best fielder in BD team after Rajin.

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:50 AM
Problem is how many BIG he scored in his life? 8X50s and 1X100 out of 67 innings
So Ashraful rides on luck very rarely, right? ... May be we have to choose those players who ride on luck too often ...

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:54 AM
wow... so many people kept javed in the lineup.... about rajin or shahriar nafees... Both will definately play and do well.... its crazy how someone wanted shahriar nafees out of the lineup
Now you see what I meant!!! I have been with some sort of BD cricket team for a while, and I know the player's attitude. Especially, about youngsters. Once they think their position is firm in the team, they just forget responsibility!! And, that's what Abeer is doing. Plus, he hasn't got the class of a batsman (no footwork!!!) - to my opinion. To tell you more elaborately, in any series, he may be included in the team for the first match (at best until the second match), and in the 4th position. He doesnot judge balls, so when the opponent knows his style well, he is really an easy deal.

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 12:57 AM
Wishful thinking is good, even hoping big is better but being realistic is probably the best idea. Of course I want to see my team win. However, we can not win every match but we can be competative at most if not all the matches. And that is where I set my eyes for now.

About liking and disliking. I think passing on this judgement without meeting some is quite possible. Someone doesn't have to meet Ash to either like or dislike him. No?

I don't have extra feeling for JO or anyone else in the team for that matter. I like them all and I'll support them till the end.

Current national players are kind of first generation of test players for us. Typically when they were growing up, they did not aspire to be professional cricketers. They got the first taste of institutionalized as well as professional touch at a much higher age. Musfiq and the likes represent the second generation. Aftab, Rajin, Nafees and the likes represent what could be called a transitional generation.

It is only natural that there will be flaws, both in technique and application, among the players of the first generation. Even the basics wouldn't be flawless. But still, Bashar, Gullu and Mashud continue to beat the odds and exibit worthiness with all their flaws. No wonder they say, cricket is a funny game.
Very very nice comments ...I wish others could think this way

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 01:03 AM
I think Wasim Akram disagrees with you. Of course, what does Akram know?

Wasim Akram in his interview with Daily Star -
"See, they are happy when there's a draw. You'll never win (with that mentality). It's a general life principle. If you lose, it doesn't matter as long as you go for a win. And every time your team says they are learning from mistakes. I've been here for five years. The same team is playing and the same mistakes are being repeated"
Source - Daily Star

Fortunately you cannot moderate Wasim Akram.


...
Well their are order in things ...first try to avoid innings defeat in 10 consecutive test mathces, then try to fight until the end (like 1st test agains AU in Fatullah) in 10 consecutive mathches, then try to draw 10 test matches among 20 matches ...then go for win ...(That's the BD prescription) ... Take time ...even if our team avoids 10 consecutive Innings defeat no one is going to talk about our Test status ...

PoorFan
April 28, 2006, 01:49 AM
The "talentless hard workers" days are over because we have some inconsistent talented players now. When we will have consistent talented players, then their day will be over.
"talentless hard workers" days are over?? How? A team which constantly fail to score 200+ runs, but dont need "talentless hard workers"?

How many time BD managed to score 240+ runs in ODI since that win against India? And how many time it was against a quality opposition? If we were constantly scoring 240+ runs against any opposition, I would have agree with you. But ...

Nah ... your comment seems great, but NOT TRUE in case of BD. We still need "talentless hard workers"! because we have too much of "inconsistent talented" players in the team, not SOME!

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 08:52 AM
Khaisee,

If the "talentless hard workers" days are over, who are going to save us now?

Talentless scrubs like Gullu, Rana, etc are gone replaced by full of talented ( too full for me) honkey dorey Alok, Ashraful , Aftab ? And the end result a score of 124 and 9 wicket defeat by Australian A team?

Oh.... I am sorry.... the scorecard doesn't tell every thing... oh right.... its my fault its my fault....

Spitfire_x86
April 28, 2006, 08:54 AM
As I mentioned in another thread, this could be our team for 3rd ODI -

JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
JO
Rafique
Mashrafe

We can send JO over and over again. And we need our two sure-shot bowlers.
Your wish was granted :( :(

sadi
April 28, 2006, 08:57 AM
Actually I felt bad for Rajin yesterday.... poor guy looked so helpless out there

Spitfire_x86
April 28, 2006, 09:13 AM
How many time BD managed to score 240+ runs in ODI since that win against India? And how many time it was against a quality opposition? If we were constantly scoring 240+ runs against any opposition, I would have agree with you. But ...
Twice (almost thrice). 257 in the very next match with Rajin as opener, 250 in Cardiff, 249 in the last match of Natwest series against Australia. That was within seven months. How many times our team scored around 250 in past within 7 months with "talentless hard workers"? In the next 3 major series, our batting wasn't worse than "talentless hard worker" era.

We used to lose regularly against Kenya. With this team we've won 7 matches in a row against minnows. We registered our first 300 in ODI with this team. Doesn't these mean anything? How many times our team scored 300 against associate nations in past?

We had two really bad ODI serieses since the India series, and in both occasions both Aftab/Ashraful failed to perform. Coincidence? I think not.

Our progress hasn't been very fast or smooth. But we are definately progressing. Now our team and the fans (even the fickle minded ones) can think about winning a match against a big team. In the days of "talentless hard workers" nobody would dare to dream of victory.

Every team suffers through a very bad day in the field once in a while, when nothing works, nobody performs. Our team just had a day like this. How often you have seen Rafique score a 11 ball duck?

I've truly enjoyed the happy moments provided by this bunch of "talented underachievers" and I will stand beside them in their bad days.

sensible
April 28, 2006, 10:56 AM
When was the last time (or should I say first time?) Aftab and Ashraful performed consistently?

I'm not anti Ash. But the boy needs to be disciplined and need to learn to take responsibility. More importantly, we need to develop a team Bangladesh which does not depend on any one player. Just think about India in the 90s when the whole team used to depend on Tendu. Now Ashraful is no Tendu even though some of us think that way. But we really need a team spirit and only in a free and fair team environment, such a team spirit can develop. As long as we have double standard of giving chance after chance to some players at the cost of others, we'll not be able to build a TEAM. Cricket is a TEAM game and the sooner the players, administrators, and fans understand that, the better.

sensible
April 28, 2006, 11:00 AM
See I don't expect Rafiq to score big. It's not his duty to score runs. His duty is to bowl economically and get wickets. In a team, every player is like a part in a big machine. Every player has a role to play and he needs to do that.

This team did win against Kenya and Zimbus. But we should not set our standards or expectations low. That's why we should not be too happy about wins against Kenya or teams of that standard. We need to aim high, if we want respect as a TEST playing country.

Spitfire_x86
April 28, 2006, 11:50 AM
Ashraful scored three 50+ scores in a row in the Natwest series, and scored two consecutive fifties against Srilanka. Except Bashar I don't think anybody else scored three 50s in a row.

Tigers_eye
April 28, 2006, 12:07 PM
Ash also scored 3 centuries in test and one ODI. that doesn't give him permanent citizenship in the BD team. Let him get 3 hundred in one domestic season and then get back in the team. Sakib, Mehrab Jr. should get a chance in the next tour before AshraFool.

67 matches and the average is 19+ ????
33 tests and the average is below 25 ????

enough chances to prove his worth.

Sack him.

Spitfire_x86
April 28, 2006, 01:00 PM
Of course, if Sakib/Mehrab jnr can prove themselves better than Ashraful in terms of pure stat and match winning ability, I won't want him in the team (just like I don't want JO in the current team)

I think we should try Sakib and Mushfiq Rahim in the ODI series against Zimbabwe. Tamim is not ready yet and Sakib has proved himself more worthy to get a chance in the national team.

rudro
April 28, 2006, 01:35 PM
We got our dream team!! Aftab, Ashraful in and JO, Tushar out :joy: :fanflag:

A big THANK YOU to the selectors for not being deceived by JO's 34
And we got our dream result!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy, spitty?

sadi
April 28, 2006, 01:43 PM
Spitty, why didn't you go out there and play for Ash and Aftab? Its all your fault...

Spitfire_x86
April 28, 2006, 01:54 PM
And we got our dream result!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy, spitty?
Both your "dream result" (honorable defeat) and my "dream result" (huge defeat) count as a match lost. But there is difference between your "exceptional result" (huge defeat) and my "exceptional result" (victory)

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 02:00 PM
I nominate spitty the "Spin Master of the Year" award.

sadi
April 28, 2006, 02:04 PM
Both your "dream result" (honorable defeat) and my "dream result" (huge defeat) count as a match lost. But there is difference between your "exceptional result" (huge defeat) and my "exceptional result" (victory)

What a comeback... :D

rudro
April 28, 2006, 03:12 PM
কালকে খেলা দেখতে দেখতে আর একবার আতাহারের কথা মনে পড়ছিল। রোকনকে বাদ দেয়ার অজুহাত হিসেবে ও বলেছিল - রোকন শুন্যে শর্ট খেলে বেশী। রাজিন আর আশরাফুলকে দেখে মনে হচ্ছিল কেউই ফিল্ডারদের ফাঁক দিয়ে বল বের করতে পারছেনা। রোকন থাকলে হয়ত ওই ফিল্ডারদের মাথার উপর দিয়ে পাঁচটা চার কি একটা ছয় মেরে অন্তত গোটা চল্লিশেক রান পেয়ে যেতো!

Mr-Cricket
April 28, 2006, 11:13 PM
Both your "dream result" (honorable defeat) and my "dream result" (huge defeat) count as a match lost. But there is difference between your "exceptional result" (huge defeat) and my "exceptional result" (victory)
You've lost the plot. :D

Sauron
May 2, 2006, 10:11 AM
Anyway, feel free to disagree. I have my logic, you have your's (or imported :) ).

Hmmm ... I think I posted before the Akram interview came out ... Akram's view only corroborates mine. But if you think I imported the logic, that's fine too. We all grew up eating imported rice and lentils, what's a little logic import.


BTW, I'd appreciate if you don't use formating. Thanks.
Please feel free to disable the formatting toolbar if you want generic compliance to your "request".