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aosaif
April 28, 2006, 02:43 AM
Pressure on Ashraful and Aftab to perform has gotten to them. They cannot perform under this kind of pressure, especially Ashraful. And as we know, if they don't perform, it means our batting will succumb.

Any way out of this rat hole? Not in the near future. If Bangladesh is to improve in one-day cricket (and to a certain extent in tests although we have other more capable batsmen in that form of the game), then Aftab and Ash must find a way to handle the pressure and become the superstars that they have been "conscripted" to be.

Bangladeshi fans have many difficult days ahead of them.

jabbar
April 28, 2006, 03:25 AM
I don't think teh pressure is on these 2 batsman alone. Watching Basher making his 70 the other day, I saw the look of a man under tremendous pressure, not only for his captaincy but his batting as well. It doesn't help that he always sells himself short when asked about his performances. If the intention is to deflect pressure, it has only succeeded in making matters worse for him.

As for the other bastaman such as Shariar Nafees and JO, I think they escape a lot of scrutiny because they haven't been 'earmarked' for greatness like Ash and Aftab have. I think there needs to be a acceptance from the global cricketing community that Bangladesh are not up to the same standard as consistent performers and that there is no one player who can be regarded as a consistent match winner or even a gifted/genious cricketer. We must start from scratch again and play with the philosophy that no one team member can dig the team out of a hole: it must be done as a team.

PS: aoasif: I think you should leave others to judge who and who isn't the "most underrated poster" of BDcricket. For teh record, that mantle belongs to me :)

ammark
April 28, 2006, 03:31 AM
Pressure on Ashraful and Aftab to perform has gotten to them. They cannot perform under this kind of pressure, especially Ashraful.
Exactly, thats why Ashraful could have been dropped for the series outright. And the management has to stop shuffling players in and out, and up and down the order. They have to give ALL the batsmen, even the underperforming ones a stable and consistent platform to play from.

On the brighter side, we are playing not-as-competitive teams for much of the immediate future. Both of them, especially Aftab, ought to be retained and given the room to perform independently of the pressure that they face playing the no.1 team in the world. I point to Aftab because of how the management has toyed with him in the recently concluded SL series. In the test series vs Aus as well, he exuded more confidence than Ashraful, and also played a relatively more responsible consolidating innings too. You CANNOT just discard him now because of his mistakes in one or two matches. Again, Ashraful and Aftab will have the ball in their court to get more comfortable and relieve themselves of pressure in the team if they continue to have a consistent management policy for them, esp. with the tours coming up against not-as-competitive teams.

Bengali_bradman
April 28, 2006, 04:05 AM
Pressure on Ashraful and Aftab to perform has gotten to them. They cannot perform under this kind of pressure, especially Ashraful. And as we know, if they don't perform, it means our batting will succumb.

Any way out of this rat hole? Not in the near future. If Bangladesh is to improve in one-day cricket (and to a certain extent in tests although we have other more capable batsmen in that form of the game), then Aftab and Ash must find a way to handle the pressure and become the superstars that they have been "conscripted" to be.

Bangladeshi fans have many difficult days ahead of them.
If Ash or aftab don't perform then why the hell we don't have huge score? ...don't get into that much 'Hujugey' comment!! In the first test 1st inngs, what was their score? ... It's totally ash and aftab's fault ..and also fault goes to Nafees ..no one wants to see a Big innings from them ...I just mean why aren't they capable of scoring around 30 consistently? ..what's wrong with them ...even big players like Ponting, Bevan said, when they get to the crease, the set a target of 20 ...then when they reach then extend it to 40, and thus goes on ... I think our batsmen get in the crease with an aim of a flashy 100 what they are not even capable to do once in a hundred chances ... They should learn their limitation, they should have clear game plan ... say, we had 7 good batsmen in the team today ... all of them are capable of scoring 30 I guess ... Nafees, Ash, Aft, Habib, Rajin, alok, pilot ...and evn Rafiq and masri can contribute some ....well, I admit everyone won't score 30 on the same day ...say 50% could not ..even then 4 people should come up with 30 runs ...and some added from other 7 batsmen ...that's a real one day score ..it's not test ..no one is asking for a huge innings!!! They have got to understand that!!!

mhferdaus
April 28, 2006, 04:51 AM
Javed Omar should open for BD in both tests and one days till some days to come, even though I do not like his squaring up defense, his temparament is good, and also is his cut shots, which can really frustrate the bowler if put to good use.

Mridul
April 28, 2006, 04:57 AM
The only answer i would say is that our batsmen are simply not good enough in international level...anyone can score in any match...but to be kind of consistent in international cricket..i think our batsmen's standard is well below average....just look at how Mark Crosgrove played....looked technically impressive..no awkward shot or follow thru ......on the other hand u will find at least 10 awkward shots or follow thrus from our batsmen....it shows that our batsmen have more weaknesses than strenths.....

Miraz
April 28, 2006, 05:23 AM
Similar thread, that's why I am posting my analysis again here

Its not only the batting order experiment but also the team composition that resulted in such a dismal show from Bangladesh.

We are in a real dilemma in opening slot. Bringing Tushar in the opening slot will further worsen the situation. Opening should for someone specialist in that place, particularly for a team like Bangladesh. If we experminet we can only experiment with those people who started their career as opener or is playing as opener. If we can solve the opening problem, half of our problem will be solved.

IMO, we have four batsman who can take the spot..

1. Shahriar Nafees - He is the one who is fixed, unfortunate in this series but lot to deliver in future.

Now let's see who can be the ideal partner for SN

1. Javed Omar - Despite constant critism, he should be still a choice.
2. Nafis Iqbal - He has got the techniques required by an opening batsman. He needs few confident innings only to find his place in the national side.
3. Mohammed Ashraful - He started his career as an opener. In fact opening is the best slot for Ashrafuil as he is attacking batsman with solid techniques. He can take the advantage of powerplay. I agree he will not be consistent but he is not consistent in middle order either. In middle order more than often he comes to the crease with pressure due to loss of early wickets and he is not capable of taking that pressure. In opening he will be without that pressure and should be allowed to play his natural game. IMO he is the best candidate to be the partner of SN.

4. Hannan Sarkar : He is also a good batsman with good techniques as an opener. He lacked the technique to deal with left arm seam bowler, if he can overcome this, he is a better choice.

5. Golam Rahman : This young boy has scored consistently as an opener in first class matches, has got an average of 46 which is quite good. He can be nartoured with the team and can be given occasional opportunities like Cosgrove had today.

I don't find anybody else. Rajin is no way fit as an opener in ODI. More than often he gets bogged down and kills valuable balls. Even he is more pathetic than JO in many cases.

Now we have zim and kenya series infront ahead of Champions trophy. Selectors and team management has to come out with a solution for the opening slot. If we can consolidate opening slot, players like Aftab, Ashraful, Habibul Bashar will definitely perform in the top order.

Another two position where Bangladesh is lacking is Wicketkeeper batsman and all rounder who can take no. 6 slot in batting order.

With proper respect to Pilot, we need to give Mushfiqur rahim some solid chance to settle himself in the national side. He is a much better bastman and we must try him in the upcoming Zim/Kenya series. We need to build him as a cpable wicketkeeper batsman before the world cup 2003.

Now, the allrounder position. Alok should be dropped for good. He is not at all fit for the allrounder position. He forgot how to bowl and bat as well. It may sopund early but we need to again experiment with either Sakib or Mehrab Jr. for this spot in the coming Zim/Kenya series.

I know our batting is not performing, but i beleive if we can find a solution for this three slot, we will be converted into a very good team to compete in each and every match.

Our bowling is more than okay. Tail enders need a batting coach like wayne Matao to consolidate their technique.
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shimraj
April 28, 2006, 12:30 PM
If Ash or aftab don't perform then why the hell we don't have huge score? ...don't get into that much 'Hujugey' comment!! In the first test 1st inngs, what was their score? ... It's totally ash and aftab's fault ..and also fault goes to Nafees ..no one wants to see a Big innings from them ...I just mean why aren't they capable of scoring around 30 consistently? ..what's wrong with them ...even big players like Ponting, Bevan said, when they get to the crease, the set a target of 20 ...then when they reach then extend it to 40, and thus goes on ... I think our batsmen get in the crease with an aim of a flashy 100 what they are not even capable to do once in a hundred chances ... They should learn their limitation, they should have clear game plan ... say, we had 7 good batsmen in the team today ... all of them are capable of scoring 30 I guess ... Nafees, Ash, Aft, Habib, Rajin, alok, pilot ...and evn Rafiq and masri can contribute some ....well, I admit everyone won't score 30 on the same day ...say 50% could not ..even then 4 people should come up with 30 runs ...and some added from other 7 batsmen ...that's a real one day score ..it's not test ..no one is asking for a huge innings!!! They have got to understand that!!!

very good point.

protik
April 28, 2006, 03:48 PM
3. Mohammed Ashraful - He started his career as an opener. In fact opening is the best slot for Ashrafuil as he is attacking batsman with solid techniques. He can take the advantage of powerplay. I agree he will not be consistent but he is not consistent in middle order either. In middle order more than often he comes to the crease with pressure due to loss of early wickets and he is not capable of taking that pressure. In opening he will be without that pressure and should be allowed to play his natural game. IMO he is the best candidate to be the partner of SN.



Are you crazy? How come Ash has the best technique?!?!?!? Shot selection is part of the batting technique, isn't it?!:mad: