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Ahmed_B
April 28, 2006, 04:14 AM
A very much disappointing ODI series from the BD team already. And that mostly because of pathetic batting performances again. I would call this ODI series as the worst for BD in the last 1 year.

Previously, it was trademark for BD team to be pathetic in batting, but things are expected to be better these days. The opposition, the media, the TV commentators... everyone expect BD to do far better these days and what can be said fairly enough is that they hopelessly ‘underperformed’ consistently in this ODI series.

Some of our core-performers (eg. Ash, Aftab) were flops but what annoys me very much is the selector’s game with the batting squad and the batting order which pathetically backfired. Here are some of my own observations:

1) Putting Rajin Saleh in opening did not work. He was brought back in the ODI team after some long and put to opening straight. He could probably be a good choice for #4 or #5
2) What the hell were the selectors/coach thinking when putting Bashar, who is currently in best form, at #5?? He should have come at #3 in each of the games and not put vulnerable players like ash or aftab so far up the order.
3) BD played a different squad in each game which was sure to hamper the team’s consistancy.
4) The ‘Alok’ experiment backfired quite a lot. He has been utter stupid. Selectors did a poor job by taking Tushar in and out and also with his position in batting order. Even when they played Alok, why send him after Pilot?
5) The positions of Pilot & Rafiq was pretty much experimental. Pilot was either brought in the game too early or too late.
6) Rafiq: what happened to his batting again? After doing a fair job in the tests... he stumbled in the ODI’s where it mattered most. And the rest of the tail -frustrated by top-order collapse?

BD probably should have played a consistant batting order like this below:
Nafees
Tushar
Bashar
Ash/Aftab
Rajin
Aftab/Alok
Pilot
Rafiq
Mash
Rajjak
Rasel/Shahadat

I know it’s pretty easy to come up with a possible batting order/squad after the series is finished. But except for the Rajin/Tushar positions... everything else could be much better pre-planned that whan it was. Changing the squad in each match was another funny thing to do.

PoorFan
April 28, 2006, 04:35 AM
There are other threads on this same topic from sensible and aosaif, it would be nice if you merge them all together.

btw, I fully agree with the title of your thread.

cricket_pagla
April 28, 2006, 05:08 AM
Nafees
Tushar << TELL ME WHY WE NEED THIS GUY!.. SO FAR.. HE'S JUST TOO ORDINARY!!..:confused:
Bashar
Ash/Aftab
Rajin
Aftab/Alok
Pilot
Rafiq
Mash
Rajjak
Rasel/Shahadat



lookin 4wrd 2 c.... T.Imran's inclusion!... :rolleyes:
n why all dere is 2 many.. T.Imran's FAN out dere?.. tho i neva c em perform!..

Miraz
April 28, 2006, 05:20 AM
Its not only the batting order experiment but also the team composition that resulted in such a dismal show from Bangladesh. I agree with you in most point regarding batting order.

We are in a real dilemma in opening slot. Bringing Tushar in the opening slot will further worsen the situation. Opening should for someone specialist in that place, particularly for a team like Bangladesh. If we experminet we can only experiment with those people who started their career as opener or is playing as opener. If we can solve the opening problem, half of our problem will be solved.

IMO, we have four batsman who can take the spot..

1. Shahriar Nafees - He is the one who is fixed, unfortunate in this series but lot to deliver in future.

Now let's see who can be the ideal partner for SN

1. Javed Omar - Despite constant critism, he should be still a choice.
2. Nafis Iqbal - He has got the techniques required by an opening batsman. He needs few confident innings only to find his place in the national side.
3. Mohammed Ashraful - He started his career as an opener. In fact opening is the best slot for Ashrafuil as he is attacking batsman with solid techniques. He can take the advantage of powerplay. I agree he will not be consistent but he is not consistent in middle order either. In middle order more than often he comes to the crease with pressure due to loss of early wickets and he is not capable of taking that pressure. In opening he will be without that pressure and should be allowed to play his natural game. IMO he is the best candidate to be the partner of SN.

4. Hannan Sarkar : He is also a good batsman with good techniques as an opener. He lacked the technique to deal with left arm seam bowler, if he can overcome this, he is a better choice.

5. Golam Rahman : This young boy has scored consistently as an opener in first class matches, has got an average of 46 which is quite good. He can be nartoured with the team and can be given occasional opportunities like Cosgrove had today.

I don't find anybody else. Rajin is no way fit as an opener in ODI. More than often he gets bogged down and kills valuable balls. Even he is more pathetic than JO in many cases.

Now we have zim and kenya series infront ahead of Champions trophy. Selectors and team management has to come out with a solution for the opening slot. If we can consolidate opening slot, players like Aftab, Ashraful, Habibul Bashar will definitely perform in the top order.

Another two position where Bangladesh is lacking is Wicketkeeper batsman and all rounder who can take no. 6 slot in batting order.

With proper respect to Pilot, we need to give Mushfiqur rahim some solid chance to settle himself in the national side. He is a much better bastman and we must try him in the upcoming Zim/Kenya series. We need to build him as a cpable wicketkeeper batsman before the world cup 2006.

Now, the allrounder position. Alok should be dropped for good. He is not at all fit for the allrounder position. He forgot how to bowl and bat as well. It may sopund early but we need to again experiment with either Sakib or Mehrab Jr. for this spot in the coming Zim/Kenya series.

I know our batting is not performing, but i beleive if we can find a solution for this three slot, we will be converted into a very good team to compete in each and every match.

Our bowling is more than okay. Tail enders need a batting coach like wayne Matao to consolidate their technique.

SMHasan
April 28, 2006, 10:15 AM
Miraz bhai, world cup 2003 gone! Are you still sleeping?

Miraz
April 28, 2006, 10:37 AM
Miraz bhai, world cup 2003 gone! Are you still sleeping?

Typo mistake mate ;)

Sorry for that.

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 10:41 AM
Here is my observations about all-rounders and tailenders in our ODI team:

Basically we don't have any effective allrounders.
- Aftab may be the one. But now a days, he is failing with the bat and not used as a bowler that much.

- Rafique is a non-dependable slogger than a real all-rounder. I am kind of hesitent to call him a genuine all-rounder. As a batsman now a days Rafiq is playing more like #10, #11 rather than #8.

- They didn't used Alok with the ball that much. Whenever they used, Alok with the ball is not impressive at all. So at this moment, I will discount him as an effective all-rounder. His batting is also not that great to be considered as a batting all-rounder like Aftab.

- Mashrefee is ineffective with the bat now a days.

- Haven't seen enough of Tushar as a bowler to be considered as an all-rounder. Also he need to perform with the bat first to be considered in the mix.

- Pilot is good and dependable with the wicket as well as with the bat. But we cannot call him a batting wicket keeper (and therefore an all-rounder) in the mold of current ODI wicketkeepers that other countries have. That is putting more pressure to the selectors for constructing a balanced team.

Therefore it looks like our ODI team has a long tail-enders as well as lack of quality bowlers to bowl 50 overs. Batting wise, Rafiq is effective (in ODI) once in a while and not long enough to prevent collupse. Mashrafee, Razzak, Shahadat, Rasel is pretty much useless with the bat now a days compared with old days when Rafique, Mashrafee and Taposh used to bat at the end.

This need to be addressed sooner than later, some how we need to reduce our tail, find some better allrounders for ODI.

Tigers_eye
April 28, 2006, 10:44 AM
Good post Miraz bhai.

Ahmed bhai,
1) Give Rajin more time. He will become a better opener. His game is not suited for 5, 6th down anyways. What happened to Nafiz Iqbal?

2) Bashar does not want to come early when the power play is on. He himself admitted that Ash-Aftab-tushar are better arial ball striker than him. They want to capitalize on the powerplay.

3) Yes, too many lineup and personal changes will get the production down for sure. Selectors are losing faith on these top order as the collapse is being a regular affair in every match. how many top order batsmen got out from a good ball in the last series? not more than 3. All went out because of their carelessness.

4) This is where I don't see I eye to eye with the selectors. Alok shouldn't have gotten the recall in the first place. Aftab should come at 6. If not then, no reason for Rana to get dropped in the first place.

The rest I really don't have anything to say.

fwullah
April 28, 2006, 11:44 AM
I think our selectors and team management are also confused with Alok. They don't know what they should expect from him, and Alok doesn't also know this himself. From my previous experience, it is not a good idea to include completely new players in the national team just the year before the World Cup. So, I wouldn't recommend on including either of Muhfiqur Rahim, Mehrab Junior or anyone else.Until the World Cup 2007, we have to stick with what we have got, and let our 'A' team to have some more tours this year before the World Cup so that even if a couple of our regular team members get injured or sick at the last moment, we have enough experienced players to come at the front at the if required (players like Tushar Imran, Alok Kapali comes in because of this - as backup players).

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 01:28 PM
<b>Batting experiments backfired! </b>

Backfire korbe na to ke korbe? Premium Car (ODI teams) requires Premium Gas even if it cost more money. Our selectors wanted to save money by using regular gas. Thats why the engine is backfireing....

sadi
April 28, 2006, 01:45 PM
I am sure selectors would pay you their salary if you can tell them which one is the premiem gas.... to me, everyone looks like kerosin

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 01:56 PM
I am sure selectors would pay you their salary if you can tell them which one is the premiem gas.... to me, everyone looks like kerosin

Then they shouldn't run primium car, they should run Scooter. They run very well with kerosin.

Kerosin, Diesel, Regular Gas, Primium Gas, Octane all come from same source. Its a matter of spending some time and money and refining them before using them. Further hints? Investing money in creating better infrastructure for 1st class cricket league and forward thinking in advance and start creating better reserve/substitute players not recycling old garbage again and again and hope for miracle.

No more details, first let the selectors send me the money, only then the details will be revealed later on.

sadi
April 28, 2006, 02:08 PM
So which one is premium gas again?

Fazal
April 28, 2006, 02:20 PM
So which one is premium gas again?
Go to your nearest gas pump ask them. They will guide you.:)

For BCB, who knows some u-19 players are potential premium gas in making. But then who know, at that time, they may no longer have the primium car anymore. In that case using premium gas in non premium car will not backfire but will definitely not give added advantage.

sadi
April 28, 2006, 02:35 PM
Go to your nearest gas pump ask them. They will guide you.:)

For BCB, who knows some u-19 players are potential premium gas in making. But then who know, at that time, they may no longer have the primium car anymore. In that case using premium gas in non premium car will not backfire but will definitely not give added advantage.

I wish the selectors knew where the gas pump is... they could've picked up some premium gas from there... obviously noone knows where this mysterious gas pump is... :)

Since there is no premium gas available right now and most of them are in making, I guess the selectors had no option but to use so called regular gas...

real123
April 28, 2006, 07:17 PM
Its not only the batting order experiment but also the team composition that resulted in such a dismal show from Bangladesh. I agree with you in most point regarding batting order.

We are in a real dilemma in opening slot. Bringing Tushar in the opening slot will further worsen the situation. Opening should for someone specialist in that place, particularly for a team like Bangladesh. If we experminet we can only experiment with those people who started their career as opener or is playing as opener. If we can solve the opening problem, half of our problem will be solved.

IMO, we have four batsman who can take the spot..

1. Shahriar Nafees - He is the one who is fixed, unfortunate in this series but lot to deliver in future.

Now let's see who can be the ideal partner for SN

1. Javed Omar - Despite constant critism, he should be still a choice.
2. Nafis Iqbal - He has got the techniques required by an opening batsman. He needs few confident innings only to find his place in the national side.
3. Mohammed Ashraful - He started his career as an opener. In fact opening is the best slot for Ashrafuil as he is attacking batsman with solid techniques. He can take the advantage of powerplay. I agree he will not be consistent but he is not consistent in middle order either. In middle order more than often he comes to the crease with pressure due to loss of early wickets and he is not capable of taking that pressure. In opening he will be without that pressure and should be allowed to play his natural game. IMO he is the best candidate to be the partner of SN.

4. Hannan Sarkar : He is also a good batsman with good techniques as an opener. He lacked the technique to deal with left arm seam bowler, if he can overcome this, he is a better choice.

5. Golam Rahman : This young boy has scored consistently as an opener in first class matches, has got an average of 46 which is quite good. He can be nartoured with the team and can be given occasional opportunities like Cosgrove had today.

I don't find anybody else. Rajin is no way fit as an opener in ODI. More than often he gets bogged down and kills valuable balls. Even he is more pathetic than JO in many cases.

Now we have zim and kenya series infront ahead of Champions trophy. Selectors and team management has to come out with a solution for the opening slot. If we can consolidate opening slot, players like Aftab, Ashraful, Habibul Bashar will definitely perform in the top order.

Another two position where Bangladesh is lacking is Wicketkeeper batsman and all rounder who can take no. 6 slot in batting order.

With proper respect to Pilot, we need to give Mushfiqur rahim some solid chance to settle himself in the national side. He is a much better bastman and we must try him in the upcoming Zim/Kenya series. We need to build him as a cpable wicketkeeper batsman before the world cup 2006.

Now, the allrounder position. Alok should be dropped for good. He is not at all fit for the allrounder position. He forgot how to bowl and bat as well. It may sopund early but we need to again experiment with either Sakib or Mehrab Jr. for this spot in the coming Zim/Kenya series.

I know our batting is not performing, but i beleive if we can find a solution for this three slot, we will be converted into a very good team to compete in each and every match.

Our bowling is more than okay. Tail enders need a batting coach like wayne Matao to consolidate their technique.

Good observation- my thoughts are reflected. We should have genuine openers rather than experimenting one-if really need to experiment that Ash can be in. But I would bring back nais Iqbal.
We should try Rahim in ODI at least one game in a series in place of Pilot.