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Hasib
April 28, 2006, 11:13 PM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.

TheWatcher
April 28, 2006, 11:24 PM
You don't have to start a thread with every silly idea that crosses your mind, you know.

Hasib
April 28, 2006, 11:29 PM
You don't have to start a thread with every silly idea that crosses your mind, you know.

1. i SAID not to flame me.
2. This is the 1st time i have posted an idea that just wondered into my mind
3. Now tell me why its silly

cricketboy
April 28, 2006, 11:44 PM
We cant have a batsman at NO 7 to slog when toporder batsman are faling and there is no scope to slog due to the lack of wickets. Plus if Rajin keeps on scoring 37 out of 102 balls we need sloggers from the beginning. :D

Baundule
April 28, 2006, 11:53 PM
I had another idea. In stead of putting that in a new thread, I think, this is the best place for it. How about playing him at no. 11? Everyone can play their natural game, i mean score at an strike rate of 30% thinking that Ash is there at 11 to slog at the end. What do you guys, especially Hasib, think about this?

TheWatcher
April 29, 2006, 12:12 AM
Hasib, I think you should have enough understanding of the game to see why keeping a specialist batsman for late order slogging is a silly idea, especially for Bangladesh, a team that badly lacks a genuine allrounder and whose wicketkeeper is not considered as a specialist batsman even at club level.

James90
April 29, 2006, 01:21 AM
Ridiculous. Ashraful is our match winner and needs time at the crease to make an impact. He's been guilty of going for everything far too early and not pulling it off. Don't encourage him. When Ashraful goes about building an innings and is seeing it reasonably well he's capable of anything. As can be seen from his match-winning knock against Australia in Cardiff. He would be absolutely wasted at 7. Alok/Pilot are perfect for the position. We're hardly getting into the position where #7 comes to the crease with less than 10 overs left and his role is to score as many runs as possible in a short period of time anyway. Unneccesary alteration to an already confused and unstable batting order.

Ahmed_B
April 29, 2006, 02:26 AM
Actually... we can forget about our squad and it's order for the next few months... untill another series is due.

So relax everyone. It has been quite hectic 2 months.. take a break. :)

Bengali_bradman
April 29, 2006, 03:03 AM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.
Not a bad idea ... :)I think wherever the position is BD batsmen will show the same display ... It doesn't matter much ...

Bengali_bradman
April 29, 2006, 03:04 AM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.
In fact whatmore tried a lot changing the batting order of players here and there ... Nothing came fruitful.

Bengali_bradman
April 29, 2006, 03:05 AM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.
But we definitely need a good opening partnership who will go 15 overs regardless the strike rate ...that will definitely frustrate the bowlers ...

Bengali_bradman
April 29, 2006, 03:07 AM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.
If you have played as a bowler, you will understand ... When you are giving good balls on stumps with good length but the batsmen doesn't fall, you feel really pissed off. That's what lead the bowler to give loose balls

Bengali_bradman
April 29, 2006, 03:10 AM
Just a thought that wondered into my mind the other day. Ash as we all know is a naturally aggrasive player. So how about saving him near the end in the slog time...preferably after 30-35 overs? Now this could seem like a stupid idea and maybe it is but its just an idea that came to me and had to post it....so don't flame me.
I can't suggest about Ash's position, he seems totally hopeless ... everytime when his days in the team becomes marginally numbered, he knocks a big innings and win everyone's hear with his cute innocent face ...Ridiculous!!!
Rather, Habibul should play in upper position, One down is best for him ... He got good stroke and he is matured.

Hatebreed
April 29, 2006, 07:30 AM
I'm disappointed at everyone except Bashar. At least he's doing a fair job (as a batsman) in his position.

Spitfire_x86
April 29, 2006, 08:21 AM
If you have played as a bowler, you will understand ... When you are giving good balls on stumps with good length but the batsmen doesn't fall, you feel really pissed off. That's what lead the bowler to give loose balls
In ODI, it doesn't matter. The bowler will be satisfied with good economy rate.

shamster
April 29, 2006, 03:40 PM
I like the idea it crossed my mind too. But to warrant batting at 7 you need to able to field excellent, and Bowl as well. Also teh top order must make runs. Also You need an all rounder to accomodate him taking a bowlers place.

Bancan
April 29, 2006, 04:16 PM
i like the idea. but i dont think it would do any good to ash.. he will play the same. one 100 then 20 under 20scores.

Hasib
April 29, 2006, 08:14 PM
YAY!!!! I got Flamed!!! lol...

Anyway... The reason i suggested this because the usual ODI tactic of slogging in the 1st few overs of the game is NOT working for us. Just because its A tactic doesnt mean its the ONLY tactic. We need to find something new.

LateCut
April 29, 2006, 08:44 PM
How about playing him at no. 11?


How about not playing him at all? He is completely devoid of confidence at the moment. God knows what kind and sources of advices he is getting! The so called pundits should lay off him. Let him play at less stressful situation (e.g. A-team or Lancashire Danda-Gooly league). Eventually, he will be a dependable batsman. He is just not ready for the big league yet. One good knock in a blue moon does not justify a permenent position in the senior squad. This could be said about many of the BD regulars. Another example is Tusher Imran. He was outstanding against SL-A but look like a deer caught in a headlight with his feet entombed in concrete. That is why we need the likes of Basher, Javed and Mashud to play a little while longer. I would not mind a few retired warriors coming back!

cricket_pagla
April 29, 2006, 09:36 PM
very pathetic thread abt positionin' ASHs battin position!... i heard hes a good cheer leader... so... i think he shud b our.... 12th man ;)

Spitfire_x86
April 29, 2006, 10:28 PM
That is why we need the likes of Basher, Javed and Mashud to play a little while longer. I would not mind a few retired warriors coming back!
Don't put a loser like Javed in the same league with Bashar and Mashud. And it seems that you wouldn't mind losing over 80% games against Kenya either.

Mon
April 29, 2006, 10:35 PM
Hasib bai:
Apnar uddeshota ami kichuta holao andaz kortay parchi. Amader cricket jay behal obostha, tatay erokom olowkick abhimoth- o ghrohonjoggo money hoi. Ashrfuler Baggo karaf, karon sahy openingio are jetay parbey nah karon owi positionay amader doi jon valo khelwar achen. Ami monay kori amara Ashrafulkay special hardhitting spottao ditay parbona karon shayi jaigata ekhon Rofiker dhokolay. Tai, Ashrafuler jaigata ekon khob norboray hoyai gelo..

Hasib
April 30, 2006, 07:03 PM
Hmmm i feel some of you just read the heading. I did mention to have him out there by the 35th over.... my point is instead of early in the innings have him out later.

safaat
May 1, 2006, 03:43 AM
To a certain extent I am with Hasib bhai. However I want Ash not at 7 but at 6. And at 7 I want Aftab. In other words Ash and Aftab would be occuping the 6 and 7 spots of the batting line up in odis. Yes Ashraful has now played for five years but look at his overall expeince as far as an aggregate of ODI and OD cricket and first class cricket. It is no where close to Kaif/Yuvraj or Clarke would have had. He is just twenty one and should be treated like a 21 year old youngster. And Aftab is only 1/half years old in international cricket. His average in OD cricket is average and we expect him to be one down. our selectors have already destroyed a few youngsters by prematurely giving them responsability and would destroy these two by doing the same. Although we are a weak team and keep saying we are developing then we should develop in the right way.

If teams like Australia, India or any other strong team were given players like Ashraful and Aftab, even today they would not be regulars and even if they were they would have been batting low in the order. Look at the Kaifs and Yuvrajs, Clarke and Symonds. Yes if Ash bats down the order there will be hole in the middle, but then where does Mashud bat. Now currently Mashud is out of form. But when in form we all know he is a superb rotater of strike and where Bangladesh sruggles is in that area. The last two odis were the best example. We need someone like him to bat from around the 15th to the 30/35th. Moreover he really is of no use in the slog overs where he to a certain extent slows things down. So he should in my opnion bat at 4. Currently he is just out of form. For all these years he has one of the batsman who has always been there when Bangladesh would collapse, and mind u his batting average (21) is higher than Ashraful's (19). And thus now when he is out form there is no point just throwing him away and discarding him as a batsman. To me the best way for Bangladesh to go now is Mashud at 4, Ash at 6 and Aftab at 7. Obviusly Nafees and Rajin would be my openers and Bashar at 5. The only spot that is now open in the line up is one down. Now there are a few options but none suit that crucial number.

Tigers_eye
May 1, 2006, 12:20 PM
I have an idea, how about "Ash at 22nd position". That way he will be out of the first 21 selected.

Sauron
May 1, 2006, 06:06 PM
very pathetic thread abt positionin' ASHs battin position!... i heard hes a good cheer leader... so... i think he shud b our.... 12th man ;)

i agree w u krick-pagla ... very pathetic thread abt positionin' ASHs battin position!... juss like a thread abt correctin' SOMEONEs correct talkin' stylin' ... so ... i think ... i shud think ... more ... n more ... cuz thinkin is gud ... less thinkin' is less gud ... so ... i think i shud think more ... not less ... dat shud b gud ... cuz i know dat cric-pgal is a gineus cuz he think more ... b4 he post in da thread ... ;)
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TheWatcher
May 1, 2006, 11:28 PM
Believe it or not Hasib, I gave your idea some thought :)

I still don’t think it is a good idea, even for the sake of Ashraful. If he comes to the crease after five wickets are gone for less than a hundred (which is very often the case with our team), the pressure will be more on him to stick in there longer. We rather have Mashud in that situation fighting for some respectability. Ash is better of at #4, knowing that there are few more batsmen to come after him when he fails.

The most needed shuffling in the batting order, I believe, is to bring Bashar back at #3 position. He finally seemed to have got hold of his role in ODIs. From this position, he can shepherd the youngsters better. The plan should be to send Ash, Aftab, Kapali/Tushar after him, but if Bashar gets out, send Mashud ahead of others.

:lol: What do ya guyz think of my ideaz ?

karimjay.
May 2, 2006, 04:43 AM
7? Why not? Where does Hussey Bat? Every team needs a finisher who can and wants to strike the ball. Not a bad idea.

Tigers_eye
May 2, 2006, 07:47 AM
i agree w u krick-pagla ... very pathetic thread abt positionin' ASHs battin position!... juss like a thread abt correctin' SOMEONEs correct talkin' stylin' ... so ... i think ... i shud think ... more ... n more ... cuz thinkin is gud ... less thinkin' is less gud ... so ... i think i shud think more ... not less ... dat shud b gud ... cuz i know dat cric-pgal is a gineus cuz he think more ... b4 he post in da thread ... ;)
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Shame on you Sauron!!
very = v
thread = thed
more = mor

total of 12 key strokes could have been saved. Imagine the amount of time you could save and finish up on more "thinkin".

Sauron
May 2, 2006, 09:29 AM
Shame on you Sauron!!
very = v
thread = thed
more = mor

total of 12 key strokes could have been saved. Imagine the amount of time you could save and finish up on more "thinkin".

My bad! Thanks for the pointers though. I hope to emulate cric_pagla better in the future.

Okay, dumbed down version -
My bad! Thx 4 tellin' me dough ... me hope Bcum kric-pgla beddr in futr ...