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cricman
May 5, 2006, 09:59 PM
Since theres nothing to talk about besides Ashraful might as well talk about something else

I know i said that any team from the Subcontient would get crushed by England if they had to play in early summer time conditions like we had to. Looks like ECB got the message so they can prep up for the Ashes.

Sri Lanka are having a really hard time right now and even though they are sans Murali, how good would he be in England in May?

Even though Lanka are doing better than we did than vs the County's and BU, they havent been impressive either. They get to play 2 more practice matches then we did so lets see how fast they get accustomed to the conditions as it took us until the ODI series to improve our Batting and Bowling.

I think so far there bowling has been much better than our effort last may, but i have to say we through Rajib into the fire and Tapash was hurt and Anwar Hossain Monir was playing

Batting wise they are up to par with us. They are struggling perhaps even worse than we did.

Omio
May 5, 2006, 10:18 PM
srl going to lose agnst eng a team..

Sovik
May 6, 2006, 06:03 AM
they are 92 for 7 now. the difference between bangladesh and sri lanka is mostly muralitharan. so murali clicks sri lanka will have better result

Huda
May 6, 2006, 07:10 AM
not mostly Murali difference btween BD and sri lanak is the top 6 batsmen of sri lanka which most of their team not just murali.

stats tell the story

Vandort (Age 25): 341 runs in four Tests at 68.20
Tharanga (25): 440 runs in five Tests at 48.88
Sangakkara (28): 4,225 runs in 57 Tests at 47.47
Jayawardene (28): 5,510 runs in 78 Tests at 47.09
Dilshan (29): 1,794 runs in 34 Tests at 38.17
Samaraweera (29): 2,072 runs in 37 Tests at 45.04

al Furqaan
May 6, 2006, 09:51 AM
stats are skewed by home permformances.

truth is, SL are almost as big minnows as we are on the road.

look at their recent ODI and Test history: when was the last time they won an away series?

i'd be surprised if they EVER won an away test series.

their top 6 batsman are much better than us, but as we saw in our series against them, Murali was the difference.

Sovik
May 6, 2006, 11:25 AM
if it wasn't for the murali we would have had a much better series.

Miraz
May 6, 2006, 12:10 PM
Its too early to comment. Let's wait for the test's to begin.

TheWatcher
May 6, 2006, 06:34 PM
Guys, consider this- Lanka has lost to England second stringers by 10 wickets, while Bangladesh had lost to Sussex second stringers by an innings and two hundred some runs.

Rabz
May 7, 2006, 08:46 AM
very poor thread i hv to say...
so now what ?? next time u compare every other team who visited every other country after our home or away series against them???

u cant just compare SL with BD yet...and guys,,, its NOT just murali...
its the whole team... they got their test status yrs before us and rightly so now they r also standing yrs before us .... their player's professionalism, mental strength, responsibilities and maturities are far far better than our boys...

so stop this kinda stupid comparisons...

Huda
May 7, 2006, 12:34 PM
stats are skewed by home permformances.

truth is, SL are almost as big minnows as we are on the road.

look at their recent ODI and Test history: when was the last time they won an away series?

i'd be surprised if they EVER won an away test series.

their top 6 batsman are much better than us, but as we saw in our series against them, Murali was the difference.

you say their stats are skewed by home perfomances?

Sanga averages 45.60

Dilshan averages 32.80

Jayawardene 38.80

Samaraweera 30.00

The other havent played aborad yet, those arent that much lower than ther career averages. Their batsmen have are much beter than ours, and they lakced experience in their top order with no Atttapatu. We are still far away from comparing ourselves to sri lanka, who were ranked 2nd in both forms of the game not so long ago

Sovik
May 12, 2006, 12:08 PM
england 551 for 6 declared and sri lanka struggling at 91 for 6.

sadi
May 12, 2006, 12:38 PM
There is no way you can compare Srilanka with us... not yet.... Attapattu is not even there because of the injury and take out vandort and put jayasuriya in there... jayasuriya, tharanga, sangakara, attapattu, dilshan, jayawardane... they have quite a good batting lineup... we would be more than lucky to have any of these batsman as our main batsman...

al Furqaan
May 12, 2006, 03:38 PM
you say their stats are skewed by home perfomances?

Sanga averages 45.60

Dilshan averages 32.80

Jayawardene 38.80

Samaraweera 30.00

The other havent played aborad yet, those arent that much lower than ther career averages. Their batsmen have are much beter than ours, and they lakced experience in their top order with no Atttapatu. We are still far away from comparing ourselves to sri lanka, who were ranked 2nd in both forms of the game not so long ago

all i am saying is that there batsman are much better than ours but in the recently concluded test series murali and bashar's idiotic captaincy were the difference makers. please check the scorecards.

the same team blew us out in Lanka. Lanka are not much better than us on the road. and if they are indeed 91-6 chasing 551 (haven't seen the scorecard so i cant verify), then you tell me how much worse bangladesh's performance was.

again, this lanka team has always struggled on the road. a strong team like india hasn't won more than a couple of away series in decades, how is a team like Lanka gonna suddenly be killing people on the road.

please bear in mind these facts.

home performances do skew statistics for most anyone, for teams like Lanka doubly or tripley so.

sadi
May 12, 2006, 04:00 PM
Atleast they play good at home...

6alltheway
May 13, 2006, 06:18 AM
reminds me of bangladesh, now they know how we feel:

Sri lanka
150 for 8 (46.1 overs)

Miraz
May 13, 2006, 06:22 AM
reminds me of bangladesh, now they know how we feel:

Sri lanka
150 for 8 (46.1 overs)

Every team suffers in England during spring time.

Sam
May 13, 2006, 11:58 AM
SL really did bad in the first innings. Their tailenders have helped them to reach 192, but could not save from follow on. However, they are doing much better in the second innings. 178 for 2 is quite a good score in the second innings.

Albanycrew
May 14, 2006, 10:32 AM
I guess the first test answered everyone's questions. We don't have the ability to put up such an impressive rearguard performance as Srilanka did. It is absolutely ridiculous to compare their test performaces with us....... atleast as of now. So plz get off your high horses.

fwullah
May 14, 2006, 11:49 AM
SL are now on the verge of drawing this test match with their 2nd innings score at 350/5 a while ago.

I wonder when we're gonna get such a dependable batting line up to make such a strong comeback. The top 5 batsman of SL has ensured that England will have to bat again with 5 wickets of SL still in hand.

al Furqaan
May 14, 2006, 09:18 PM
very good comeback, indeed.

i fully expected, and wished that SL would be crushed by an innings and change so as to make our performance look better.

but lets remember simon jones and harmison are not playing...thats half of the 4 headed english pace monster. and jones i feel could be england's best pacer. good speed and can really swing the ball.

i still feel england will win this one and that SL has no shot at a draw, but maybe only a 5 wicket loss.

not bad for the lankans at all.

Huda
May 15, 2006, 05:18 AM
The Lankans may not win much away from home, but they do compete mreot han us, as a team the lankans are better than us, home and away. One series doesnt really count as comparison, CURRENTLY they have a btter batting line up, but there bowling, is only murali

Sovik
May 15, 2006, 10:21 AM
great comeback by Lankans. 5 fifties and 1 century in 2nd innings. great team effort

istiak
May 15, 2006, 10:36 AM
The way Vaas and Kulasekara batted today......answered the comparison.
Right now they are 520/8 in 189.3 overs.

babubangla
May 15, 2006, 11:59 AM
great comeback by Lankans. 5 fifties and 1 century in 2nd innings. great team effort

Make it 6...Vaas just got his fifty.
6 fifties and 1 century in the 2nd innings for SL.

cover_point
May 15, 2006, 02:08 PM
English armour dented by Sri Lankan pride
Andrew Miller at Lord's
May 15, 2006
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A fortnight ago, a charity fundraiser by the name of Lloyd Scott limped to the end of the London Marathon, a full eight days behind the rest of the competitors. Admittedly, he was dressed in a suit of armour and dragging an eight-foot dragon behind him, which hampered his progress somewhat, but at least he didn't compound his woes by adding another 12 miles to the distance he had to cover.
That was the sort of stunt that England's cricketers tried to pull off in this match. At 91 for 6 with a humungous deficit to surmount, Sri Lanka's ambitions had been reduced to two damage-limiting aims - avoiding the innings defeat, and taking the game to the fifth day. And yet, as chance after chance was shelled in the slip cordon, so their confidence swelled and along with it, their pride. The end result must be ranked as one of the most sensational escapes of all time.
Lord's is a venue that can inspire or overawe you, said Kumar Sangakkara at the midway point of this Test, and Sri Lanka have demonstrated that both can be true in the same match. Their young and unproven side was caught cold in the sunshine of the first two days, but as the chilly conditions returned so the ghosts of performances past began to surge up their spines. Instead it was England who felt the cruel pinch of desperation.
Perhaps we should not be surprised at Sri Lanka's resilience. This was the fourth time they had made 500 runs in an innings against England - but two of those occasions came on their last two visits to London: at The Oval in 1998 and here at Lord's in 2002, a match that England themselves had to pull from the fire in the follow-on, after conceding a first-innings deficit of 280.
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And let's not forget their first and most fabulous appearance at Lord's - in the late summer of 1984, when a complacent England were flogged for 491 of the finest by Siddath Wettimuny and Duleep Mendis. Twenty-two years later, Mahela Jayawardene was the star as he added his name to the Lord's honours board for the second time in as many visits, but new heroes were unearthed at every turn - from the young opener Upul Tharanga, who established a platform for defiance with a classy 52, to the tailenders Farveez Maharoof and Nuwan Kulasekara, whose strokeplay sparkled as England's belief began to wilt.
No fewer than seven Sri Lankans made half-centuries in the innings - only the third time such a feat had been achieved in Test cricket, and for the first time in 80 years, every player in the team improved on their first-innings performance. But the stand-out stat was the one that made the difference. England dropped nine of the 22 chances that came their way in the match, and any of the three that went down today could have enabled a face-saving run-chase.
Alastair Cook, Andrew Strauss, Geraint Jones and Paul Collingwood all erred twice, but if any chance could be said to have made or broken the game, it was the one that fell to captain Velcro himself. When Andrew Flintoff's bucket hands reprieved Chamara Kapugedera at second slip in just the third over of the final day, the modus operandi of his captaincy was fatally undermined.
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For Flintoff it has been a salutary lesson in the hardships of international leadership, and a timely one as well. His cheery grin as the Sri Lankans left the field for tea was proof that he has not yet lost his good humour, but perhaps in the circumstances it was high time that he had. One of the harsh truths about the job is being likeable isn't always an option, as his predecessors, Nasser Hussain and Michael Vaughan, would both be quick to testify.
Sometimes it is necessary to deliver a rocket up the backsides of your underperforming players. In Mumbai such drastic action was not needed - Flintoff was able to lead through inspiration alone, and his team rode a crest of euphoria to secure a remarkable triumph. But when the magic touch deserted him and his team-mates today, he responded in the only manner he really knew - by patching up his blisters and charging in for another spell.
So much for letting Freddie take it easy this summer. He has just become the first England seamer since Martin Bicknell and Mark Ilott at Headingley in 1993 to send down 50 overs in an innings, and only twice in his career has he bowled more than that number in an entire match. Letting him lead the side is like putting Boxer the carthorse in charge of Animal Farm. His mantra of "I must work harder" is admirable but flawed, as his under-recognition of Monty Panesar would testify.
Of course, Flintoff is no carthorse, but if his only solution in adversity is to mark out his run-up for another tilt, then that's what he risks becoming. And if that comes to pass, then England will find their attempts to win marathons - even inside the regular distance - as cumbersome as that man in his suit of armour, dragging an eight-foot dragon.
Andrew Miller is UK editor of Cricinfo

Fazal
May 15, 2006, 02:59 PM
Sorry Compare korte Parlam ne boley dukhito...

but looks like based on recent performance ...batting alone ...Kulasekara is better than Aftab, Vaas is better than Ashraful and Maharoof is better than Alok and Tushar (combined)

cover_point
May 15, 2006, 03:10 PM
Sri Lanka find inner-strength
Charlie Austin
May 15, 2006
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</td></tr></tbody></table> </td></tr></tbody></table> On Friday evening, after a powder-puff bowling display and a spineless top-order performance, Sri Lanka lay in tatters. A three-day finish appeared inevitable. If you wandered into the Lord's Media Centre and predicted a draw on the Saturday morning you'd have been branded insane and hurried-off for a reality check with Geoff Boycott, who was announcing on Test Match Special that the hitherto unknown bowling skills of his mother - a lady previously renowned just for her batting - would be sufficient to see-off these sorry tourists.
But at 5.43pm on Monday bad light was offered for the last time on a stop-start final day, completing one of the most remarkable rearguards in the history of the game. Sri Lanka, having been asked to follow-on, displaying fortitude that few believed they possessed, held England at bay for eight sessions, through three new balls and 199 overs. They'd scored their highest second innings score in their 25-year history as a Test nation, the highest ever second innings score at Lord's and seven players passed fifty - a world record.
If ever a draw was worth more than a victory then this was it. Written-off, openly derided, widely underrated - even by their chairman of selectors - Sri Lanka were on the brink of meltdown. An innings defeat may have caused irreparable damage to their already fragile confidence, paving the way for a humiliating thrashing in the remaining games. But their astonishing transformation in the second innings, salvaged pride, gained respect and will have injected fresh self-belief into a team that will now truly believe, probably for the first time, that they can really challenge England during the coming weeks.
When Mahela Jayawardene, the new leader that galvanised the fight-back with a brilliant hundred, deservedly winning the Man of the Match award, was robbed of his wicket on Sunday evening by a short ball that tickled his rib cage but not his bat, it appeared that only London's rain and gloom could be Sri Lanka's savour. But, aided by England's hapless catching, Sri Lanka's resistance stiffened with Tillakaratne Dilshan, Nuwan Kulasekera and, especially, Chaminda Vaas, who dead-batted his way to 50 not out from 188 balls, all playing crucial roles. Even Murali, a serial bat-swisher, swung into line and defended stoutly.
Indeed, while Jayawardene's performance was exceptional - showing his team-mates that the impossible was possible - what made Sri Lanka's escape so special was the number of contributors. It was a team effort from the top to the bottom with several players lifting themselves to hitherto untouched heights. Sri Lanka knew they had some talented young players in this squad with great potential, but during this game they discovered some of those youngsters - Tharanga, Maharoof and Kulasekera - also had the inner-strength to perform at the highest level.
Of course, Sri Lanka, once the thrill of their escape settles, will realise that their survival would not have been possible without such a torpid display from England in the field. They're astute enough to understand that England's terrible catching ultimately let them off the hook. In the words of one seasoned English writer, this was, from the home team's perspective, "the mother of all xxxx-ups."
Sri Lanka have survived to fight another day but at Edgbaston in ten days time they need to start as strongly as they finished here. The bowlers must find a cutting edge and the top order must provide first-innings runs. This match was a friendly affair, marked with the overt chumminess between Flintoff and Muralitharan, but the next contest will surely see a ramping-up of intensity. Sri Lanka left England red-faced today and must quickly start preparation for the backlash because the fires of a real battle have now been lit.
Charlie Austin is Cricinfo's Sri Lankan correspondent
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istiak
May 15, 2006, 04:02 PM
cover_point bhai link ta dilei to parten.......

Cricinfo report BC member der sobai BC page open korar agei pore fele.

It also could be copy-right violation.

abherath
May 16, 2006, 12:02 AM
Some thoughts, from a Sri Lankan...

Sri Lanka is going through a phase where there is an exodus of senior players and a lot of youngsters are coming in. For the next year or so, they will suffer losses but the future looks good. The first test with England has just ended and every sign of a great future for Sri Lanka is seen in the result. Sure, they fared badly in the first innings and had to follow on. The second innings started on the third day and never ended ! One century and 6 half centuries in that innings, in a resolute effort to save the match. A good example of how test cricket is played. In the end, if England were to chase the kind of target Sri Lanka was setting, they (England) could have collapased. 179 runs in about 20 overs, under fading light and overcast conditons is too tough even for England.

A word about the spotsmanship of the English players. It was exemplary and a refreshing experience. The English crowds are great too, cheering both sides. You see that only in England.

Losing to England A was bad but touring teams do lose side games, even to counties. Sri Lanka has even lost to club sides on some tours on which they did tremendously well in the main games.

abherath
May 16, 2006, 12:07 AM
The very positive comments on Sri Lanka here are heart warming. I thank you all, as a Sri Lankan.

I have been thinking of Bangladesh not getting enough test cricket. Bangladesh has shown great improvement recently but unfortunately they cannot maintain that momentum as they don't have enough games, which is not fair. Asia could do with another cricketing force, in the form of Bangladesh. That will hapen if you get enough cricket at the highest level, a concern Bashar and Whatmore have expressed.

abherath
May 16, 2006, 12:14 AM
reminds me of bangladesh, now they know how we feel:

Sri lanka
150 for 8 (46.1 overs)

Sri Lanka has been playing test cricket for a long time and this is nothing new. Nothing to crow about.

But see how the game ended.

abherath
May 16, 2006, 12:24 AM
very good comeback, indeed.

i fully expected, and wished that SL would be crushed by an innings and change so as to make our performance look better.

but lets remember simon jones and harmison are not playing...thats half of the 4 headed english pace monster. and jones i feel could be england's best pacer. good speed and can really swing the ball.

i still feel england will win this one and that SL has no shot at a draw, but maybe only a 5 wicket loss.

not bad for the lankans at all.

I beg to differ. This is test cricket You cannot say this one did not play, that one did not play. A test playting nation, especially England, cannot have such excuses. (I don't think they are giving any, either.) If you are playing test cricket, you are supposed to have more than just 11 good players. England does have enough good playes to make 2 national teams; so is true for India and Australia, which is why those are the top teams in the world today. Hats off to them.

End even if those 'missing' players played, the result would not have been much different. Sri Lanka focuses on the cricket to be played, not who's playing and who's not. Both Bangladesh and Australia are equal in the eyes of Sri Lanka; that is the respect every opposing team deserves.

istiak
May 16, 2006, 02:43 AM
I think the last day's play showed us the difference btw Srilanka and Bangladesh! Its the partnerships one after another and thats made Eng frustrated.

I feel the comment of Al_Furqaan is somewhat like "Nijer nak kete porer jatra bhongo".

Baundule
May 16, 2006, 03:28 AM
Congratulations to SL for their extra-ordinary performance.

The difference between BD and SL is in the attitude. If we were in a similar situation, in the second innings we would have been trying to SLOG everything and score some 300+ plus runs in 60 overs and inevitably facing an innings defeat. I like SL because of their attitude of trying till the end.

6alltheway
May 16, 2006, 05:21 AM
now we know why SL are SL and why BD are BD.

Ejaj
May 16, 2006, 08:04 AM
No doubt.. this was an extraordinary performance from SL.. Man.. I love this team. I wonder, when BD will learn to play like that. This draw is better than many wins by any team. HAts off to SL cricket.

DotBall
May 16, 2006, 10:28 AM
Good to see that SL did not show "dhur sala, ja hobar hobe, kissu 4 ar 6 maire assi, game too emni-e harbo" attitude and pulled off a stunner.
One more example for our cricketers and fans.