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Mohiul
May 12, 2006, 04:37 PM
As ICC ODI championship table changes every August, there is a chance for BD to be in the No # 8 of the table. The next table of ranking will take into account the matches that were played after August 1, 2003. From this timeline - I reckon - the difference of number of matches won by BD and West Indies won't be that much. Moreover, BD will play 5 matches against Zimbabwe and Kenya this year. So, I think the possibility is there. What do you think?

I don't have the exact statistics in my hand. Can anyone please provide some statistics on this aspect?

TheWatcher
May 12, 2006, 06:07 PM
ICC's rating system is very complex, it just doesn't depend on number of wins and loses in the last three years only. Without going into details, the difference between the ratings of WI and BD is too big now, it may take couple more years for us to catch them up (provided WI continues to decline while BD continues to improve). But, there is a good possibility that we will overtake Zimbabwe's rank, if not in August, most probably in October, during the Champions Trophy.

BTW, there is a good chance that BD's tour of Zimbabwe will be scraped as Zimbabwean players (current ones) are unwilling to leave their English clubs in the middle of the domestic season to come home. ZC requested BCCB to delay the series until September, but BCCB so far have not agreed to the proposal as there is a good chance that Afro-Asia matches will be played during the period.

SMHasan
May 12, 2006, 10:09 PM
ICC's rating system is very complex, it just doesn't depend on number of wins and loses in the last three years only. Without going into details, the difference between the ratings of WI and BD is too big now, it may take couple more years for us to catch them up (provided WI continues to decline while BD continues to improve). But, there is a good possibility that we will overtake Zimbabwe's rank, if not in August, most probably in October, during the Champions Trophy.

BTW, there is a good chance that BD's tour of Zimbabwe will be scraped as Zimbabwean players (current ones) are unwilling to leave their English clubs in the middle of the domestic season to come home. ZC requested BCCB to delay the series until September, but BCCB so far have not agreed to the proposal as there is a good chance that Afro-Asia matches will be played during the period.

So Zimbabwe series is gonna be cancelled?

mhferdaus
May 12, 2006, 11:04 PM
ah ... everyone shows damn care vab to BD, dont know why.

Ahmed_B
May 13, 2006, 01:26 AM
Yes... ICC rating system is quite complex.

In a simple way it can be said that BD's ICC ranking won't improve enough to advanced positions untill BD starts defeating Stronger ICC teams rather than ZIM /KENYA. Wins against stronger nations hold much higher rating points than against these two weak countries.

SS
August 11, 2006, 02:45 PM
this was an old topic but i am posting as it is relative to the topic
I was checking ICC ranking we are way down after the horrible series lose
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/rankings/content/current/page/211271.html
Zimb 400+ points and we are only 45!
by the way who decided we will be ranked #8...don't get it
when we will learn to use head and be realistic
Do you still wana hope for better spt?

sadi
August 11, 2006, 02:50 PM
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</TD><TD class=panel-plain width=105>West Indies </TD><TD class=panel-icc-odi align=middle>18 </TD><TD class=panel-icc-odi align=middle>1787 </TD><TD class=panel-icc-odi align=right width=20>99
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Tigers_eye
August 11, 2006, 02:53 PM
The thing is to get a higher ranking we must beat the better teams. Beating Kenya 20 times straight would at most gain us 20 points or even much less. We can do that just by beating Australia one time. the better the team that we beat the more points we get. There is noway we can get to #8 even we win the champions trophy and World Cup.

Thunder
August 11, 2006, 03:07 PM
is there any specific website where we can find information about how many points we get for beating each team? or any detailed explanation of this point system?

Tigers_eye
August 11, 2006, 03:15 PM
Rules:
http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/odi/rules.html

Case 1 - gap between the two teams' ratings is less than 40 points:

if you win, you score 50 points more than your opponent's rating
if you lose, you score 50 points less than your opponent's rating
if you tie, you score your opponent's ratingCase 2 - gap between the two teams' ratings is 40 points or more:

if the stronger team wins, it scores 10 points more than its own rating while the weaker team scores 10 points less than its own rating
if the weaker team wins, it scores 90 points more than its own rating while the stronger team scores 90 points less than its own rating
if the match is tied, the stronger team scores 40 points less than its own rating and the weaker team scores 40 points more than its own rating

Ahmed_B
August 11, 2006, 03:18 PM
is there any specific website where we can find information about how many points we get for beating each team? or any detailed explanation of this point system?
Here u can put the results of future matches and see how the point table changes:
http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/odi/predictor.html

kalpurush
August 11, 2006, 03:23 PM
this was an old topic but i am posting as it is relative to the topic
I was checking ICC ranking we are way down after the horrible series lose
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/rankings/content/current/page/211271.html
Zimb 400+ points and we are only 45!
by the way who decided we will be ranked #8...don't get it
when we will learn to use head and be realistic
Do you still wana hope for better spt?

That's for Test not for ODI...
Sadi posted the right one. thanks.

kalpurush
August 11, 2006, 03:26 PM
Here u can put the results of future matches and see how the point table changes:
http://www.icc-cricket.com/icc/odi/predictor.html

Very interesting! I am having fun!! Many thanks.:lol:

Nasif
August 11, 2006, 03:39 PM
Last time we had similar discussion, I thought we were going to be on 9th spot after we whitewash Zimbos. But that didn't happen. So lets not jump to position jumping. First thing is our players need realize that they have to win, everything else is just candy lollypop. If the wins come, other things will follow. So, lets talk about winning first, then we will talk about spot hunting.

Tigers_eye
August 11, 2006, 04:11 PM
The goal is to be the #1 and stay there as long as we can, not #9 or #8. All resources should point to that. Nasif has brought up the a very important point that we need to win one game at a time and not worry about #X,Y or Z. Things will be in its place once we start winning all the games.

Akta American Football golpo boli. Roger Staubach a legendary quarterback (Dallas cowboys) played his college football at Navy. As a freshman when he came to the campus there were already a starting Quarterback, #2 and a #3. As freshman always got the harsh treatment one time in the dinning hall while Mr. Staubach was passing by the #2 quarterback, the guys stood up and blocked his way. He asked Staubach, "I hear you are here to take my spot?" Staubach politely asked the guys position on the team. The guy answered proudly, "#2 quarterback of the US Navy football team."

Staubach then said, "Sorry sir, your position is safe, I am not after your position, I am after the #1 quarterback." Two years later Staubach won the #1 quarterback position took Navy to a 9-1 season won the Heisman trophy. With Dallas he also won two superbowls with two MVPs.

Our players, Coach, management should aim high, draft a strategy, and follow it. Tweak it when necessary but never deviate from the goal.

Zunaid
August 11, 2006, 05:29 PM
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Rabz
August 12, 2006, 12:39 AM
no 8??
lets win the series against Kenya first...
too much talk but no justified actions...

lets keep our expectations on the ground

Mohiul
December 29, 2006, 08:06 PM
In the next two months we gonna play 7 matches against weaker opponents. Inshaallah, we gonna win all of them. This 7 wins will only increase 2 rating points and making total ranking points to 1676 and rating points to 43

TheWatcher
December 29, 2006, 08:12 PM
In the next two months we gonna play 7 matches against weaker opponents. Inshaallah, we gonna win all of them. This 7 wins will only increase 2 rating points and making total ranking points to 1676 and rating points to 43
Matches against Bermuda and Canada don't give us any point, those countries are rank outsiders.

cricman
December 29, 2006, 08:15 PM
If you just consider England's ODI woes and lets say we can get a win or 2 vs a team other than zimbabwe I think we'll get pretty close to England by August

Mohiul
December 29, 2006, 08:22 PM
Matches against Bermuda and Canada don't give us any point, those countries are rank outsiders.

Case 2 - gap between the two teams' ratings is 40 points or more:

if the stronger team wins, it scores 10 points more than its own rating while the weaker team scores 10 points less than its own rating
if the weaker team wins, it scores 90 points more than its own rating while the stronger team scores 90 points less than its own rating
if the match is tied, the stronger team scores 40 points less than its own rating and the weaker team scores 40 points more than its own rating The above para is taken from the following link. pls check it out, then you will get that every win against those teams will give us 50+ ranking points.


http://newicc.cricket.org/icc/odi/rules.html

TheWatcher
December 29, 2006, 08:29 PM
Those rules only apply if a country is included in the ranking. Right now Kenya is the only associate country that is included in the ODI ranking. For other associates, to qualify for the ranking they have to either win two matches against full members or win a match against a full member and win 60% of matches against fellow associate countries. Read the following article for details-

Six new countries enter the fray (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/netherlands/content/story/231520.html)

Mohiul
December 29, 2006, 08:38 PM
Those rules only apply if a country is included in the ranking. Right now Kenya is the only associate country that is included in the ODI ranking. For other associates, to qualify for the ranking they have to either win two matches against full members or win a match against a full member and win 60% of matches against fellow associate countries. Read the following article for details-

Six new countries enter the fray (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/netherlands/content/story/231520.html)


thanx, theWatcher bhai