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cricketboy
July 8, 2006, 10:07 PM
Abdur Razzak did pretty good against Australia and got dropped. His ODI average is 26 which is impressive.I think it was beacuse the selectors are thinking of using Sakib as a spinner. They picked Forhad as they want a No 8 who can bat and a replacement of Khaled Mahmud.
I think it was a wrong decision and it was made mainly because Farukh and CO. wanted to try new players. But they should have remembered Razzak or Enamul is our future and any of these 2 should have been selected. When did you see a pacer win a match for BD, it is always the spinners. So, it was wrong decision. What do you think?

al Furqaan
July 8, 2006, 11:31 PM
well i think mashrafee has won us a couple of matches against India and Australia...tapash was instrumental there as well. in fact, i think pacers won those games more than spinners. but in general, as a rule, yes, our spinners are teh backbone.

i also think that enamul should be used in ODIs, but i guess rana and razzak do a good enough job to where we dont have the pressure to drop them.

James90
July 8, 2006, 11:33 PM
Bangladesh took 12 wickets in that series and Razzaq took 5 himself at a respectable rate, certainly better than the team average. You may have a point. For some reason I just don't see Razzaq as being a big name in the future of Bangladeshi cricket. Perhaps it's selections such as Sakib that have given this impression. Enamul Jnr is certainly the goods as Rafique's replacement in tests and should finish with many wickets. Rana and Razzaq have been the big performers in ODI's though. Interesting indeed.

roi
July 8, 2006, 11:48 PM
:flag: Abdur Razzak did pretty good against Australia and got dropped. I think it was beacuse the selectors are thinking of using Sakib as a spinner. They picked Forhad as they want a No 8 who can bat and a replacement of Khaled Mahmud.
I think it was a wrong decision and it was made mainly because Farukh and CO. wanted to try new players. But they should have remembered Razzak or Enamul is our future and any of these 2 should have been selected. When did you see a pacer win a match for BD, it is always the spinners. So, it was wrong decision. What do you think?

Really dont get your point about Razzak's drop.Sakib and forhad are both al-rounder and one-day cricket is always a game for all-rounders.Razzak did wel almost 13 months ago...and that could not be a reason to stay in team.Team selection is a running process and you need to update your status with every new chances.I think, Faruq & Co. did a splendid job to pick up this 2 new stars...lets see if they click....

cricman
July 9, 2006, 12:19 AM
When did you see a pacer win a match for BD, it is always the spinners. So, it was wrong decision. What do you think?

Bangladesh v Pakistan (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/67/67776.html) 1999: Mahmud 3/31
Zimbabwe v Bangladesh (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/79/79261.html) 2004: Aziz 3/38

Zimbabwe require another 13 runs with 3 wickets and 6 balls
remaining

Tareq Aziz to bowl the last over

49.1 Tareq Aziz to Matsikenyeri, OUT: bowled'im! good length delivery on
the middle and leg stump line, Matsikenyeri swing but makes no
contact, ball crashes into the stumps, Aziz celebrates, it's party
time!

Douglas Hondo is the new batsman
49.2 Tareq Aziz to Hondo, OUT: oh dear! Hondo goes for a duck! pitched
up on the middle and off, another big swing and a miss, woodwork
rearranged, Aziz on a hat-trick now, Bangladesh almost home!


Bangladesh v India (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/81/81294.html) 2004 Mashrafe 2/35, Tapash 2/36
Bangladesh v Sri Lanka (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/86/86152.html): 2006 Rasel 2/28

It's not always the spinners but it's more like 60/40 in favor for the spinners, And Rafique should be able to hold the load w/ part timing by Ash and Kaps

shaoun
July 9, 2006, 12:24 AM
rajjak is good enamul is very good in test matches. i dont know why rana is dropped. he should get more chances. hope sakib turns out to be a good spinner.

cricketboy
July 9, 2006, 01:51 AM
Bangladesh v Pakistan (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/67/67776.html) 1999: Mahmud 3/31
Zimbabwe v Bangladesh (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/79/79261.html) 2004: Aziz 3/38


Bangladesh v India (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/81/81294.html) 2004 Mashrafe 2/35, Tapash 2/36
Bangladesh v Sri Lanka (http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/86/86152.html): 2006 Rasel 2/28

It's not always the spinners but it's more like 60/40 in favor for the spinners, And Rafique should be able to hold the load w/ part timing by Ash and Kaps

I agree pacers sometimes performed very well but we do in general tend to put batting side in pressure more with our spinners. I hope Saquib is as good bowler as Razzak and also a capable batsman.

Razzak didnt do well 13 months ago. He did well in the last series.:rolleyes:

kalpurush
July 9, 2006, 02:43 AM
Faruq and Co. might trying to get the best possible players to select for our team for the comming World Cup 2007. Therefore, they need to try different players to get a balanced team combination. I would not be surprised if we see some other new faces in our team in near future! Unfortunately, the selectors have the option to choose only a limited number of players!!

roi
July 9, 2006, 03:01 AM
Here is Razzak's performances in last seriees.....with Kenya.
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>1/18 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Bogra, 1st ODI, 17/03/2006 [2350 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI1_17MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>2/30 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Khulna, 2nd ODI, 20/03/2006 [2353 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI2_20MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>2/51 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Fatullah, 4th ODI, 25/03/2006 [2356 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI4_25MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

His overall performance:
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Name Mat O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) 4 38 2 143 6 23.83 2-30 - - 38.0 3.76

Does it sound like good performance againest a side like Kenya in homeground?
I prefer to test with new players like Farhad and sadat.....

Sam
July 9, 2006, 07:13 AM
Considering the pitch conditions in Zimbabwe, the selectors might have chosen a pacer base team. Moreover, Rafiq is there with additional supports from Alok, Rajin and Ash.

thebest
July 9, 2006, 08:36 AM
:flag:

Razzak did wel almost 13 months ago...and that could not be a reason to stay in team.Team selection is a running process and you need to update your status with every new chances.I think, Faruq & Co. did a splendid job to pick up this 2 new stars...lets see if they click....
sorry could not agree with you. First Razzak was one of the one who held his head high after the ODI series againest Aus. Secondly, Sakib and Farhad may be good. But Sakib's good performance was in u19s. I do not think it is a good yardstick. Remember Ritender Singh the brightest indian in 99 u19. Also Farhad Reza. Yes he had a good FC record in Bangladesh. But Shanto was unplayable in Bangladesh; see what Zimbos done to him. Also please remember Dickens case before. It does not mean I am againest their inclusion; but after little more experience and definetly not in foreign environment. One or two bad performance, it could crash their confidence for ever.

thebest
July 9, 2006, 08:46 AM
Here is Razzak's performances in last seriees.....with Kenya.
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>1/18 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Bogra, 1st ODI, 17/03/2006 [2350 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI1_17MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>2/30 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Khulna, 2nd ODI, 20/03/2006 [2353 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI2_20MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE border=0><TBODY><TR><TD noWrap>2/51 </TD><TD noWrap>Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) </TD><TD>Bangladesh v Kenya at Fatullah, 4th ODI, 25/03/2006 [2356 (http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/2005-06/KENYA_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/KENYA_BDESH_ODI4_25MAR2006.html)]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

His overall performance:
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Name Mat O M R W Ave Best 4w 5w SR Econ
Abdur Razzak (http://www.cricinfo.com/bangladesh/content/player/56283.html) 4 38 2 143 6 23.83 2-30 - - 38.0 3.76

Does it sound like good performance againest a side like Kenya in homeground?
I prefer to test with new players like Farhad and sadat.....

Here is his record againest the mighty Australian
10 1 36 3 3.60 2 L 1st ODI v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Chittagong (CDS) [2365 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/AUS_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/AUS_BDESH_ODI1_23APR2006.html)]
7.5 0 34 1 4.34 1 L 2nd ODI v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Fatullah [2366 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/AUS_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/AUS_BDESH_ODI2_26APR2006.html)]
6.4 1 35 1 5.25 2 L 3rd ODI v Aus in BD 2005/06 at Fatullah [2367 (http://stats.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005-06/AUS_IN_BDESH/SCORECARDS/AUS_BDESH_ODI3_28APR2006.html)]

The first one almost won the game. His ODI record is
Mat O R W BB1 BB2 Ave Econ SR 4w
14 118.3 482 18 3/17 3/36 26.77 4.06 39.5 0

Not a bad average for a Bangladeshi bowler. Compare that with Mash
34 307 44* 13.34 0 0 37 3/38 38.75 4.97 46.7
He has much better average, economy and strike rate.

roi
July 9, 2006, 11:26 AM
Well, Razzak did wel in home ground which is far more spin track.ZIM tracks, i belive, won't be that kind of! And Sadat and farhad reza is going great both bat and ball...so they deserve the national cap!

cricketboy
July 9, 2006, 12:34 PM
Faruq and Co. might trying to get the best possible players to select for our team for the comming World Cup 2007. Therefore, they need to try different players to get a balanced team combination. I would not be surprised if we see some other new faces in our team in near future! Unfortunately, the selectors have the option to choose only a limited number of players!!

You are right, we dont have a large pool of quality players to choose from. We tend to revolve the same crop of players. Saquib has very few quality innings other than his under 19s performances. Somehow I feel he is doing better as a bowler than batsman! I dont know how fast Forhad Reza balls. If he bowls in Sujon's pace he will be slaughtered.

fwullah
July 10, 2006, 07:15 AM
The problem is that we have a number of matches against Zimbabwe and Kenya, and not against any other test playing nations - big teams.

If we consider to stick to the same team always that'll perform well against all teams (for example, Bashar, Aftab, Ashraful, Rafique), then the choice of selection of players is poor.

However, when playing against Zimbabwe and Kenya, we have to cconsider the fact that we must win the games, no matter what. Then comes the question of performance of our players against the same teams.

Also, there is the World Cup factor. With the World Cup just a year away, it was not good timing for us to choose completely new players like Sakib and Forhad Reza, although they may be performing well; with just 1 year to go to the World Cup. Then again, we won't get a better opportunity to see out the new players how they perform against Kenya-Zimbabwe, since in the future, they're supposed to play stronger opponents like India, Sri Lanka.

sadi
July 10, 2006, 09:02 AM
If you want to test new faces, playing them against kenya or zimbabwe might be the best option... you don't wanna test them against australia... so I think its a good move... let them play few odis and see what they got... I am kinda disappointed at sakib's performance so far for the A team though... he is very talented but I don't think he deserved his national cap yet... same thing goes with farhad reza... i would rather see mehrab and sadat play.... anyways, good luck to both sakib and forhad and lets see what they can do