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Pundit
July 28, 2006, 12:09 PM
I am not sure if we should be allowing folks to come in with names like AH, and also parading the real man's picture. I know members have rights on this matter, ofcourse, but AH accompanied by pics can be considered as extreme. In my opinion, it reflects poor taste as well.
But I may be wrong
Ok, now no interpretation of my thoughts on the Arab Israeli conflict, ok!!
Nasif
July 28, 2006, 12:12 PM
This thread will be moved support forum soon.
Members can post views on this. We will then discuss and take measures accordinly.
Sorry
July 28, 2006, 02:03 PM
spot on, pundit.
Bancan
July 28, 2006, 02:18 PM
can i use this pic as my avatar
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h250/bancan/osama.jpg
Tigers_eye
July 28, 2006, 02:27 PM
I have no problem with AH name. To me AH, Alexander (the great) and many other world leaders are all the same. They all wanted to rule the world. As for biased historians we look at some of the these people differently, even though they are the same kind. Evil.
Sorry
July 28, 2006, 02:34 PM
I have no problem with AH name. To me AH, Alexander (the great) and many other world leaders are all the same. They all wanted to rule the world. As for biased historians we look at some of the these people differently, even though they are the same kind. Evil.
if you think they are evil, why do you want them to be promoted?
Bancan
July 28, 2006, 02:39 PM
A H is dead. for most of the people he is bad, and for some people he is a hero. so if that user respects him u dont hav the right to tell him to change it. but if u worry abt how others feel abt this website then well we hav a problem!
Tigers_eye
July 28, 2006, 02:45 PM
if you think they are evil, why do you want them to be promoted?
To show parity or equality. To point out the truth. To show our media/history is biased. The world sees Alexander as a hero and A H as a zero (because jews were victims). That should not be the case. All should be zero.
Sorry
July 28, 2006, 02:59 PM
I can’t see your point, guys. You are manipulating one crime to justify others. There is no equality for criminals, no matter what media portray Alexander a hero or AH a zero. Personally I don’t submit myself into media bias to justify my stance. Criminal is a criminal and cannot be justified by any means.
Tigers_eye
July 28, 2006, 04:18 PM
Bottom line, I don't have a problem with AH name and pic, or a Tikka Khan, Feroah, bhutto, Mir Zafar etc. They are mere name to me. But as Bancan has mentioned if we are concerned about the website's image, I would vote to block these names.
Sorry
July 28, 2006, 05:20 PM
I suppose that is not the right approach just because it’s bad for BC’s reputation, instead, to be a true human being.<O:p</O:p
Well, I don’t like Israel is killing civilians, I don’t like hezbollah is using children for the shelter or I don’t like Tikka khan chopped our Hindu citizens, but that doesn’t necessarily put me in a position where I can justify to promote one because another one did the same.<O:p</O:p
And if you think they are just names, do AH or Fazal nicks have the same bearing in your mind? Be honest.
Bancan
July 28, 2006, 07:58 PM
sorry
its his personal opinion. i dunt even mind the names either.
i hav a interests in logo/signs and the AH sign is one of logos i find interesting . but that doesnt mean i support wat he did, or i m a member of any of those groups.
the name may giv a bad image for the site but if it comes to personal choice , u hav the right to choose.( as long as its legal)
rafiq
July 30, 2006, 06:44 AM
I was going to open a Support thread on this but nice to see our good friend Pundit has already done so. It is common courtesy and netiquette to have a policy where user names are not offensive to other members. Any nick could be offensive to anyone for whatever reason, but there are certain ones that are tasteless and cross the line. if I wanted to adopt the nick 'I_Want_to_Rape_your_mother" that would be considered offensive and mods would ask me to change it, or ban me for being looney to begin with.
So it follows that other nicks associated with people generally considered to be "evil" will be offensive to at least some members or potential members. Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, Golam Azam are just a few examples and for different reasons which should be self-evident. Unless, of course, one's name was truly Adolf Hitler, in which case it would be within the member's rights to use his own legal name as a nick. Given the picture icon associated with the member Hitler, I don't think that is the case here, and the member should be asked to adopt a differnt nick in my opinion.
rafiq
July 30, 2006, 06:49 AM
Now that I read some other posts, it is sad that the Hitler nick is being discussed in refernce to what side of the current israel-lebanon-hezbollah conflilct you are on. One has little to do with the other.
Sorry
July 30, 2006, 01:09 PM
Now that I read some other posts, it is sad that the Hitler nick is being discussed in refernce to what side of the current israel-lebanon-hezbollah conflilct you are on. One has little to do with the other.
although i agree with your first post, i fail to understand what you are trying to say in your second post. could you elaborate highlighted bit? are you referring to brain washing thread?
Rabz
July 31, 2006, 04:31 AM
i hv absolutely no problem with the nick Adolft Hitler and his avatar.
it is his personal choice. as long as he is not breaking the forum rules and guidlines, he has the right to use that nick. and also agree with Rafiq, as long as they r not offensive in nature, i cant see what the big fuss.
yes, it is a creation of our modern day media. even the name Hitler is being uttered with great shock and in a villanious tone. as said by Cat's Eye, every single ruler, from the days of Julies Ceaser, to the Great(?)Gengis Khan, Alexander the Great or even our Moghuls, they were all the same. killed millions, looted and plundered, raped and abused. but all we see is how history perceive them.
if bush can be the leader of the free world, if ariel sharon can be called a man of peace and if nobody utters a single word when hundreds of innocent people are being killed as we speak,
why cant a man use a nick Adolf Hitler and put his pic in the avatar??
Sorry
July 31, 2006, 08:27 AM
Let me elaborate my point once again. I see avatar and nick as a tool as same as any commercial advertisement designed to promote a particular product. I am not offended just by seeing Hitler’s picture or nick but I am offended by the weight, the symbols transmit. I am finding it alarming and puzzled by the motivation of using such a nick and avatar as the member seem extremely knowledgeable on the relevant topics.
<O:p</O:p
For some people Hitler is seen as hero just because he killed many Jews but for most he is a criminal. I will leave it for personal judgement and choice.
<O:p</O:p
Many people get offended if some one uses a naked harmless picture of female body, but it’s a pity that a few people don’t seem to be offended by the endorsement of a historical killer, and is described as just a nonsense picture (has no face value?). Lets not forget I am not talking about only Hitler, any evil, in general.
Mr-Cricket
July 31, 2006, 10:09 AM
Any nick could be offensive to anyone for whatever reason, but there are certain ones that are tasteless and cross the line.
I agree with Sorry & Rafiq.
I was going to say something about this a week ago, but decided to keep it to myself. However, now that it has been brought up, I feel that I need to speak out.
Firstly, let me just say that I have no ill feelings towards the individual at the center of this debate. It is certainly not my contention that members be censored purely for expressing their opinions. On the contrary. Without opinions, forums would not exist.
Nevertheless, I must say I find it quite disturbing that a member of a public forum has chosen to express himself under the pretence of a dictators name and image. I also find it highly inappropriate that this individual has subsequently and now regularly posted in a thread concerning a current political event involving a community which was massacred under the authority of the aforementioned dictator.
Even without reading this individuals posts, it becomes quite clear that the individual is using the username as a medium to express his own political views. This may sound somewhat prejudicial, but I firmly believe that it is also the truth.
While it seems that the majority of members who have posted in this thread have no objections on the matter, I still feel that this matter must be looked into further.
For example, to avoid any unnecessary conflict, one proposition is to introduce a blanket ban on the use of Usernames of recognised individuals (be it a sportsman, a politician or a Scientist - I noticed Albert Einstein posthumously joined our forum in February 2005).
While members should still be able to retain their right to express themselves, what do they gain, and indeed, what does this forum gain from individuals parading themselves under the pretence of 'Adolf Hitler' or indeed 'Albert Einstein'. We must be wary of the consequences should we allow this matter to be left unresolved at this time. :up:
Miraz
July 31, 2006, 10:20 AM
I don't mind with the nick AH or George Bush or any other name.
Every member has got the right to choose his nick and express his views with civility.
Only Nicks which carry pervertion should not be allowed.
Sorry
July 31, 2006, 12:41 PM
Only Nicks which carry pervertion should not be allowed.
Does it mean that pervertion is the only crime in this world? Research suggests that 90% of male population are pervert one or other way. just ask fazal or cats_eye how to get a computer virus.
Tigers_eye
July 31, 2006, 12:53 PM
Does it mean that pervertion is the only crime in this world? Research suggests that 90% of male population are pervert one or other way. just ask fazal or cats_eye how to get a computer virus.
হায় রে, কোথাকার পানি কোথায় গড়ায়?
As for punishment to "Sorry", I am not translating this. Install bangla font now.
Fazal
July 31, 2006, 07:44 PM
What have I done to you, Sorry? Why you are after me... in a mission to ruin my clean reputation?
Sorry
July 31, 2006, 07:57 PM
to ruin my clean reputation?
koila dhuile moila jai na.
RazabQ
August 1, 2006, 01:57 AM
Strictly as myself:
I went back on forth on this a number of times. Here's my [বাংলা]দুই আনা[/বাংলা] for what it's worth.
I agree with a lot of what Sorry, Rafique, Mr-Cricket et al have said. Yes one should not take abuse free speech to adopt pseudonyms and monikers that are blatantly hostile/inflammatory. Yes Adolf Hitler was/is an embarassment and cautionary tale for all of humanity. However, I am opposed to a blanket ban on nicks or avatars or sigs which seem to be using a controversial person/image as their source or inspiration.
Let me give an example. A little while ago, a male BC member chose the picture of a 12-13 year old female actress as his avatar and in his sig openly professed his "aspirations" regarding her. Some of us mods (myself included) were all "oh my god - we have a pedophile on BC", "off with his head", etc. etc. However, wiser head prevailed and we first tried to learn about this user. Turned out he himself was 13 or 14. Obviously in such a context, his choice of avatar and sig were perfectly understandable and, I daresay, acceptable as well.
So how does this apply to Adolf Hitler sig? I've been tracking that FC thread and so far, AH has not gone off on blatant bigotry, troll-like behavior or any of the other oh-so-evil characteristics of his name-sake. True his positions can be disturbing - especially the one about so-and-so deserving holocaust but much like Mel Gibson, he does have a right to that viewpoint.
Therefore, while I personally find the usage of the nick and avatar AH to be tasteless to the umpteenth degree, I don't believe it deserves an automatic ban. He has to do more to "earn" that :)
Alien
August 1, 2006, 03:31 AM
Regardless of what evil one might associate Hitler with, one fact remains indisputable which is Hitler was one of the key figures of 21st century. The other day I was browsing the member's list and came accross this guy named Joseph_Stalin. Now, people well versed in History will know he is a bigger shark compared to Hitler. Yet no one bragged about his nick.
Please don't judge people by thier nick. If you get offended by my post or anti-Israeli stance thats one thing but picking on my nick isn't really fair.
If I sport a picture of Charlie Chaplin will that make me less offensive? even though they look quite the same?
James90
August 1, 2006, 04:14 AM
Quite possibly the greatest profile I've ever seen. Quality stuff.
RazabQ
August 1, 2006, 02:03 PM
Quite possibly the greatest profile I've ever seen. Quality stuff.James, whose profile are you talking about?
rafiq
August 2, 2006, 06:48 AM
The mods need to make a decision sometime soon. It doesn't matter whether a majority or minority of members agree; mods should ask if there is enough room for offense to be taken, if that is healthy for the forum.
Razzab, it doesn't follow that AH's comments in other threads are not harmful enough for us to request he change his nick. If his comments are offensive, the mods should deal with them separately as they do with all posters. So while you may want to research the members posting records to understand him/her better, the central issue is that the offense is made/perceived/received at first glance, not after reading all the member's posts. I may personally agree with all of AH's posts on Israeli aggression (haven't read them), but that is not the point.
As Bangladeshis and for those of us who are Muslims, it is hard enough to make the case for an intelligent, progressive and peaceful Islam. We need to make intelligent arguments against the stupidity of many Israeli/US policies that cost so many lives across the globe on a daily basis. We don't need to be anti-Semitic while doing that. AH's nick detracts from anything he is going to write on this forum, and it dilutes his message.
Rubu
August 2, 2006, 11:35 AM
I stayed out of this thread for a long time.
Finally, I would just put my two cents:
If today or tomorrow someone registers with a name like "Alexander the great(!!)" or "Ghengish Khan" what would we do. say, they use the exact picture of these people?
nothing. we will do nothing. But, they are the people of same caribre. the only difference is, people who controls the media was on the receiving end of AH, not the other two. guess what, we actually got more harmed by the other two than AH. if it was us controlling the media, these two would have been worst.
point is: AH was bad, bad, bad. But don't just get diverted by media. use your thought as well. if someone chooses to use the name AH, what does that has to do with me? its his bad taste. i can't complain about it, unless it hurts my feeling.
James90
August 3, 2006, 04:07 AM
James, whose profile are you talking about?
Hitler's...it's hilarious.
Hatebreed
December 1, 2006, 06:56 PM
Hmm why did I miss this thread?.. No wonder Hitler's arrival took some heat off my nickname. To me a nick or avatar makes no difference to how I perceive someone's views, unless s/he really posts something that goes beyond free speech. I agree with Rafique on everything he said, except "AH's nick detracts from anything he is going to write on this forum, and it dilutes his message", because I feel it rather dilutes the common sense of any respondents who judge someone by his nickname.
Arnab
December 2, 2006, 05:38 AM
Hmm why did I miss this thread?.. No wonder Hitler's arrival took some heat off my nickname. To me a nick or avatar makes no difference to how I perceive someone's views, unless s/he really posts something that goes beyond free speech. I agree with Rafique on everything he said, except "AH's nick detracts from anything he is going to write on this forum, and it dilutes his message", because I feel it rather dilutes the common sense of any respondents who judge someone by his nickname.
Where did you get your nick... the Meshuggah song/album?
Hatebreed
December 2, 2006, 02:08 PM
Where did you get your nick... the Meshuggah song/album?
It's a band - http://www.hatebreed.com/
Arnab
December 2, 2006, 03:55 PM
...yes, and they do concerts with Meshuggah a lot. I was thinking of "Future Breed Machine" by shuggah.
Hatebreed
December 2, 2006, 04:04 PM
Yeah Hatebreed tours with a lot of bands, saw them with Slipknot & Slayer, best show ever!
Yameen
December 2, 2006, 05:15 PM
on this topic of nicknames, i am very offended (and have been for sumtime) about 'hitler' the nickname of one of the users of whom regularly contributes to these forums. He says hes anti-semitic, and on his profile it says his location is 'Nazi Germany' as if it is some sort of JOKE! Im sorry, but i dont know how u can be proud to idolise yourself as the BIGGEST evil dictator of all time with the complete wipeout of 6 million Jews, disabled, gays, jehovah's etc.
I dont know this user in person, but the moderators should take a closer look and deem this not only offensive and racist but ILLEGAL! In the uk, you get the finger pointed at you if you represent the swastika and can cause contraversy(prince harrys jacket) i dont know if it is illegal or not though but i think it should be, but in this case, the mods should ATLEAST ask him to change his nickname and take away the picture and find LOVE for humanity for godsake!!!
Rubu
December 2, 2006, 07:13 PM
I have refrained myself for a long time saying this, but since the thread came up once again, I'll say it now:
I found it more of a bad taste the nick 'pundit' than the nick 'hitler'. and I was so surprised to see someone calling himself pundit is complaining that someone choose the nick hitler!
Also, I'll say it one more time. hitler did nothing new/special/different than the dozens other who wanted to rule the world throughout the history (including present day). number of casualities was exact propertion of their ability (what kind of arms they have and how many people they have). the only difference is that hitler went against the people who controls the media. that is what make him the worst of all. other than that they all are same. equally bad. so, if someone does not get offended by the name Alexander or ghengish khan or claive loyed (sp), i do not understand why someone would get offended by the nick hitler.
Zunaid
December 2, 2006, 07:42 PM
I think this topic has been dicussed to death for now. We are taking the necessary steps.
- Admin
Personally - I find it in bad taste at best and excrutiangly offensive at worst. We should have taken apropriate actions earlier and because we did not I personally apologize. I cannot begin to comprehend that people here on this forum did not find this nick offensive. Are we so far removed that we cannot understand the offense? What if someone logs in as "Tikka Khan" or "Butcher Niazi"? Even if the posts were seemingly innocuous, would that make it any better?
For a nation that has lost so many hunderd of thousands and millions to unsurprassed butchery and genocide should understand.
Bancan
December 2, 2006, 11:00 PM
thanks Zunaid Uncle.
we need to think from the point of view of others sometimes. then this world will a lot better place. it will help us understand each other better.
thebest
December 3, 2006, 12:15 AM
I think this topic has been dicussed to death for now. We are taking the necessary steps.
- Admin
Personally - I find it in bad taste at best and excrutiangly offensive at worst. We should have taken apropriate actions earlier and because we did not I personally apologize. I cannot begin to comprehend that people here on this forum did not find this nick offensive. Are we so far removed that we cannot understand the offense? What if someone logs in as "Tikka Khan" or "Butcher Niazi"? Even if the posts were seemingly innocuous, would that make it any better?
For a nation that has lost so many hunderd of thousands and millions to unsurprassed butchery and genocide should understand.
If you go on like that then you have to ban name 'Bush', 'Saddam'. Even some common name like 'Aorongojeb' would be offensive to some of our hindu friend. It would become a witch hunt.
I personaly feel this is of bad taste, I objected impulsively when I first saw it. but now I think it is simply unnecessary a cry for changing nick. I remember there was Stalin. No body give a damn about that. As Rubu correctly pointed to some 'Pandit' is bad taste. Even my nick is bad taste to someone. Only Allah is the best. So if someone cry should I would be forced to change nick. And if Rubu demands would Pandit change his nick?
It is more on what he does in the board. There are more bigots in the board with nice nick. You have banned someone with some very nice nick. I think that should be criteria to judge. The name of one Jafar (with prefix Mir) just boiled our blood, but another Jafar (Bahadur Shah Jafar) clamed our blood. So would you also ban the name Jafar assuming that he reminds the board member about Mir Jafar.
Arnab
December 3, 2006, 08:14 AM
If you go on like that then you have to ban name 'Bush', 'Saddam'. Even some common name like 'Aorongojeb' would be offensive to some of our hindu friend. It would become a witch hunt.
I personaly feel this is of bad taste, I objected impulsively when I first saw it. but now I think it is simply unnecessary a cry for changing nick. I remember there was Stalin. No body give a damn about that. As Rubu correctly pointed to some 'Pandit' is bad taste. Even my nick is bad taste to someone. Only Allah is the best. So if someone cry should I would be forced to change nick. And if Rubu demands would Pandit change his nick?
It is more on what he does in the board. There are more bigots in the board with nice nick. You have banned someone with some very nice nick. I think that should be criteria to judge. The name of one Jafar (with prefix Mir) just boiled our blood, but another Jafar (Bahadur Shah Jafar) clamed our blood. So would you also ban the name Jafar assuming that he reminds the board member about Mir Jafar.
Well, we will try not to go down the slippery slope like that. But the choice of the name Hitler (with a pic of Hitler in the avatar to practically enforce a double reminder) shows deliberate poor taste, sets the user up for potential taunts from other members (especially when he engages quite regularly in political discussions), and eventually, raises the amount of unnecessary noise in the forums. Now, not all controversies are unhealthy, but this is primarily a cricket forum, and we like to think ourselves as a moderate community and have faith in the way we handle these things.
Alien
December 3, 2006, 09:29 AM
on this topic of nicknames, i am very offended (and have been for sumtime) about 'hitler' the nickname of one of the users of whom regularly contributes to these forums. He says hes anti-semitic, and on his profile it says his location is 'Nazi Germany' as if it is some sort of JOKE! Im sorry, but i dont know how u can be proud to idolise yourself as the BIGGEST evil dictator of all time with the complete wipeout of 6 million Jews, disabled, gays, jehovah's etc.
I dont know this user in person, but the moderators should take a closer look and deem this not only offensive and racist but ILLEGAL! In the uk, you get the finger pointed at you if you represent the swastika and can cause contraversy(prince harrys jacket) i dont know if it is illegal or not though but i think it should be, but in this case, the mods should ATLEAST ask him to change his nickname and take away the picture and find LOVE for humanity for godsake!!!
This is a real cracker. Ever heard of the name Joseph Stalin? Gengish Khan? Idi-Amin? or Gerorge W Bush? Pol-Pot? Mao Zedong? Kim Jong-il?
For the love of humanity, please do some research coz you have no idea when it comes to analysing evil dictators.
Yameen
December 3, 2006, 10:04 AM
alien from hogwartz, did i mention that these people that u brought up were angels? il think ul find the answer to be NO!, of course they are evil dictators and commited unforgivable crimes, but jees i am not talking about them, if u read my post, u will find that i am focused particularly on the user called 'hitler'????? if there were users called bush, stalin, amin, etc (i dont know if there are) then i would have mentioned them too....
seems to me , u have looked upon my post from a different view from what i am really trying to get at....
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