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khalifa
July 31, 2006, 09:56 AM
Did you all see the news in TigerCricket today (http://www.tigercricket.com/viewNews.aspx?newsID=147)? What would be life after Bashar? A blessing in disguise????

AsifTheManRahman
July 31, 2006, 09:59 AM
crap! bad, bad news! who's gonna hold the middle order together when the top shreds to pieces?

sadi
July 31, 2006, 10:00 AM
thats a big blow.. that changes everything ... I think pilot will do the captaincy but the question is who will come into the team instead of bashar? Sakib I guess...

Ahmed_B
July 31, 2006, 10:02 AM
Blessing?! Now that word sounds bit arrogant.. doesn't that?

Bashar is currently one of the most in-form consistant scorer for the team... go find another like him if u can! This injury might make the coming matches much more cirtical for BD.

sar2005
July 31, 2006, 10:03 AM
That's a shame, a big blow for the team. Let's hope and pray he gets well asap. Hope Pilot (if he is the next man) would not destroy the team.

akabir77
July 31, 2006, 10:05 AM
Khalifa r u a zimbo agent here? he is our best batsman and u r saying blessing in disguise???dmm this might become a problem. I am not a fan of pilot being a captain again. he had power issue last time around.... If he is the one to lead the team I hope he does the thing differently this time or else the team will be divided again and result will be bad for BD..god damm we can't jsut have it easy can we?

Miraz
July 31, 2006, 10:05 AM
That's a huge blow for the team. I am quite concerned what gonna happen without Bashar???

Pilot should not be the Captain. I think either Javed or Rafique should be given the captaincy.

akabir77
July 31, 2006, 10:07 AM
Javed will be dropped for next match so either its pilot or kapali (i hope not, but he might just get his place back)

PoorFan
July 31, 2006, 10:07 AM
That's a bad news indeed, but I am not so worry ... since we have Sakib, Rajin and Mushi in the team, their batting can be more or less same as Bashar. Positive thing is we are playing ZIm and Kenya, not other established country.

Hope he recover soon and I appreciate his decision staying in africa with team.

Miraz
July 31, 2006, 10:09 AM
Real bad luck after such a fightback.

Zimbabwe will capitalize the situation and will try to comeback. In my opinion Rajin should play in place of Bashar and we should keep Javed.

Without Javed, we lack experience. Hope Javed understands the situation and plays sensibly.

PoorFan
July 31, 2006, 10:12 AM
Why the hell we always have some problem in Zimbo?? Mashud, Rafique and now Bashar? Not all are same but ...

sadi
July 31, 2006, 10:14 AM
I guess Javed survives once again since Bashar is out... Rajin will come in for Bashar and play number 5... But what I really want to see is Rajin opening and Sakib coming in for Bashar eventhough that will make our batting really unexperienced

AsifTheManRahman
July 31, 2006, 10:15 AM
Positive thing is we are playing ZIm and Kenya, not other established country.

Actually, that is what bothers me the most. These are matches that we have to win, and we've witnessed how bashar held one end and rotated the score at the same time to steer the team out of trouble and past the finish line on several occassions recently. his absence changes everything. this tour is getting scary now.

sadi
July 31, 2006, 10:17 AM
it will be tough

Sovik
July 31, 2006, 10:17 AM
thats a bad news. i don't like bashar as a captain but he is the only man for the job. i think Pilot will be leading the team & javed will get another chance

PoorFan
July 31, 2006, 10:29 AM
Actually, that is what bothers me the most. These are matches that we have to win, and we've witnessed how bashar held one end and rotated the score at the same time to steer the team out of trouble and past the finish line on several occassions recently. his absence changes everything. this tour is getting scary now.
Yes, you are absolutely right on it, we must have to win. I am trying to motivate the situation from a positive point of view. We should take it calm, need no panic inside ( mind ).

AsifTheManRahman
July 31, 2006, 10:34 AM
We should take it calm, need no panic inside ( mind ).

Let's hope that's the situation in the dressing room atm :)

Mr-Cricket
July 31, 2006, 10:35 AM
Despite your criticisms, this may well be a blessing in disguise. Sure, Bashar will be sorely missed, but regardless, this will no doubt gauge our depth and our resiliance in his absense. It will also give us a chance to experiment with the makeup of the team, as well as the batting lineup itself. Unfortunately, this will also most likely mean that JO will be retained for the 3rd ODI.

Think of it this way. Bashar scored 40 of the 246 runs in the 1st ODI, and we lost. Yet he contributed just 5 of the 238 runs in the 2nd ODI, and we won. That shows that it is possible to win without him. Now, heres to hoping Ash & JO (amongst others) can lift their games for the next 3 ODI's in Bashars absense. :up:

mac
July 31, 2006, 10:39 AM
Bad bad news. Looks like Jo is going to survive once more.:o

al Furqaan
July 31, 2006, 11:08 AM
i still doubt JO is gonna survive...he should not...he is not a replacement for bashar. bashar's career SR is only 60, but in the last year or so its been a respectable 70. rajin should open in place of JO...and sakib or mushi should be in for bashar.

i also wanna see russel in...as ok as razzak did, i think russel would do better.

Fazal
July 31, 2006, 11:39 AM
too bad too bad .... why its always the wrong guy who gets hurt?

But life goes on.... sometimes it opens up new opportunity to the new players.... every body needs to step up.... lets see who are the real men in the team....

guy_zin
July 31, 2006, 12:02 PM
why all this big hulabaloo regarding only one guy's missing?
aren't we playing against the zimbow's who are giving us (well,@least in the 1st odi) mighty jerks despite all the relentless chopping/changing of their players & captains.
still they are two points above us on the official rankings.. just think about them ..they lost andy & grant flower,neil jhonson,murrey goodwin,heath streak, tatenda taibu &just a few houres before their match against bd they sacked their the then captain(what was his name.. anyway?)

the bottom line is if they can survive on losing (though,whimsically!)so many class players,is it decent for us crying for shumon's ommisson only specially when we are boasting that we are the favorite versus zimbow?

tutul
July 31, 2006, 12:07 PM
of course its a bad news. but i have full faith on Pilot. hope he will carry on from here and lead us to reach our goal.

fwullah
July 31, 2006, 12:10 PM
WE ARE DOOMED!

Now nobody can save us from a series loss to Zimbabwe and Kenya.

fwullah
July 31, 2006, 12:16 PM
of course its a bad news. but i have full faith on Pilot. hope he will carry on from here and lead us to reach our goal.

That is JUST THE POINT. He was never a captain of a winning team. He was always the saviour of the team from humiliation.

To be precise, when we were not expecting a win, he always delivered with the bat - saved us from humiliation. But, when we ere expecting a win, he NEVER delivered and lost all the matches.

On the other hand, there is nobody in the current team who can step up and be the captain besides Pilot, not unless you want to destroy a player's International career and future.

Tigers_eye
July 31, 2006, 12:26 PM
That is JUST THE POINT. He was never a captain of a winning team. He was always the saviour of the team from humiliation.

To be precise, when we were not expecting a win, he always delivered with the bat - saved us from humiliation. But, when we ere expecting a win, he NEVER delivered and lost all the matches.

On the other hand, there is nobody in the current team who can step up and be the captain besides Pilot, not unless you want to destroy a player's International career and future.
I totally disagree with you.
The loses that we had were because of lack of preparation, beloved paki coach and his good for nothing staff. By the way, Mashud did captain yesterday's game and we won.

One man doesnot stand in between winning and losing. This is a team sport. If Ash and Co. can't fireup we would lose no matter to a decent test team. We are talking about a third string Zimbabwe side.

LateCut
July 31, 2006, 12:26 PM
Blessing?! Now that word sounds bit arrogant.. doesn't that?

Bashar is currently one of the most in-form consistant scorer for the team... go find another like him if u can! This injury might make the coming matches much more cirtical for BD.

Don't be so harsh! I think the spririt of the post is that sometime these incidents open up chances for the others who are waiting in the wings. Perhaps, Rahim will get chance to play and really shine.

I am also eager to see if the interim captain adopts a different attitude on the field. There has been a lot of buzz regarding Bash's captaincy.

However, I do agree the loss of Bash is a big blow. Specially when our top order being so wobbly lately.

SMHasan
July 31, 2006, 12:32 PM
So sad news but we have to take things easily in this professional era of cricket. Whoever captains for the rest of the series lets hope he does well.

Spitfire_x86
July 31, 2006, 12:39 PM
i still doubt JO is gonna survive...he should not...he is not a replacement for bashar.
His "experience" is the replacement of Bashar's replacement, at least in the selectors' eyes. So he will play in all remaining matches :mad:

Rubu
July 31, 2006, 12:51 PM
its a huge blow. no doubt about that. its a blow from the psycological point of view more than anything else. as it is pointed out, he has been the most profilic scorer lately. but even without his runs he is now a mental strength to the team. without him the team feels like without a father (all of them are kids except for rafique and pilot). remember what happened when the team went to england without him in rajin's captaincy?

now, we are not the favorite in the series anymore.

bapzmania
July 31, 2006, 01:05 PM
Its really bad that Bashar is out but don't tell me that now Javed should be in the team because we need experienced player. Let me tell you some truth being an experienced guy Javed can't do anything. So javed or Ash one of them should drop. Just check the last 10 innings score of Ashraful. So like his test debut Mushfiq once again going to make his debut in the ODI as a pure Batsman.

SS
July 31, 2006, 01:52 PM
let's make kapali kaptan and Ash vice kaptan...are we ready for it.
All the time we talked like aussies before the tour and ended up loosing first match. We made a craze for our superstar flop boy Ashraful playing street cricket but learning nothing. Our players go by their egos, politics, and unprofessionalism. Look at Zimb, when Taibu was there they playerd like a team, he is gone and other players left, but look at the team, they are fighting for saving Zimb cricket. And we are fighting who will be captain, who can score selfishly, who can get the fat Man of the match pay check.
if Zimb can do it, why can't we. I guess common excuse "obhabhe shobhab nosto". Our players are hungry for keeping their places and getting the allowance from cricket board. So, they know even anybody is hurt that clear their ways. And we are so deprived of "wins" from our team, but we are going crazy and even can't control ourselves bigmouthing about being favorites.

RBTiger
July 31, 2006, 02:43 PM
Its really bad that Bashar is out but don't tell me that now Javed should be in the team because we need experienced player. Let me tell you some truth being an experienced guy Javed can't do anything. So javed or Ash one of them should drop...

Kapali the Idiot is going to be in the team, again! Somebody kill me, please!! And God forbid, if we win because he scored some runs, he will be in forever. I don't know what those fanatic Kapali fans would do. First, they will probably hunt me down and kill me twice for calling him an idiot and, second (and much worse), will once again start writing glory songs all over these bulletin boards.

What a two-edged sword this idiot is!! Can't go against my team and pray for him to fail and, at the same time, don't want him to be in the team at the expense of a Saquib or Farhad forever, just because he scored some 40 odd runs (that's the absolute most we will ever get from him) in a game.

And as far as JO goes, it's really sad for BD cricket that he survived this long, with his total lack of talent and/or technique. When he is on crease, you can never be sure. He can play (read 'waste') 40-50 balls and then get out like he is playing his first ball of the innings (like shuffling across and being lbw plumb in front, or something similarly stupid). He is only there for his brilliantly amazing ability of just staying in the crease blocking the ball when the other much more talented (?) batsmen are busy throwing their wickets away.

layperson
July 31, 2006, 02:52 PM
I would have to say belssing in disguise. I could not watch the second ODI properly due to other commitments but the 5 minutes i saw it I saw Bashar dropping one of the most easier chances you can get at slip. Thats how the fool hurt his finger. He is without doubt the worst fielder in international cricket right now and he is just an ok captain. The bad news according to me is pilot being named as the replacement captain. We should have had someone else captaining the side who would eventually be replacing bashar. We should always think into the future instead of just doing things for the current situation. We should have had a vice captain who we would be grooming for captaincy not a keeper who should retire along with the current captain. Interesting thing is with Bashar's captaincy we lost the first ODI and could not defend 247 however in the second ODi pilot was the captain most of the time and we successfullly defended a score of 238. Tells us something about the quality of Bashar as a captain I would say. We had the same conditions in both the matches since we played in the same venue on consecutive days. This also gives sakib a chance to come in. I heard in the news today that tushar imran is being sent as bashar's replacement but I would like to see sakib in the team not tushar and offcourse rajin in place of Javed omar. Experience doesnt mean two cents when it comes to the Bangladeshi players. With them it is the person who has at least the minimum abilities and who knows his limitations and knows how to play within it. Forhad reza was impressive in his debut match and I am sure sakib is a much better batter than forhad reza.

layperson
July 31, 2006, 02:54 PM
OHh and i completely forgot to mention in my post PLZ if we want to go somwhere with our cricket then KAPALI MUST NOT BE IN THE TEAM. He should be as far away from the team as possible. Ashraful too is pushing his luck to far and very soon if he does not show any consistency then he should be led the Kapali way. FAR FAR AWAY FROM THE TEAM.

Beamer
July 31, 2006, 03:13 PM
Only positive outcome that I can see coming out of this is Bashar will stop standing ( pretending some might say ) in the slips. He is a pitiful slip fielder and this might encourage the coaches to develop real specialists in that critical position.

Sure, his batting will be missed. Luckily we are not playing any tests. It would have been a huge blow if we were in the midst of a test series. Bashar, "the one day batsman" is no way near Bashar, "the test batsman ". We should still win this series without him. If we don't, we never will anytime in the future.

kalpurush
July 31, 2006, 11:30 PM
Don't worry...be happy...Inshallah, we will win the series.:flag:

kalpurush
July 31, 2006, 11:32 PM
Only positive outcome that I can see coming out of this is Bashar will stop standing ( pretending some might say ) in the slips. He is a pitiful slip fielder and this might encourage the coaches to develop real specialists in that critical position.

Sure, his batting will be missed. Luckily we are not playing any tests. It would have been a huge blow if we were in the midst of a test series. Bashar, "the one day batsman" is no way near Bashar, "the test batsman ". We should still win this series without him. If we don't, we never will anytime in the future.

Unfortunately, very much true!

PoorFan
July 31, 2006, 11:59 PM
WE ARE DOOMED!

Now nobody can save us from a series loss to Zimbabwe and Kenya.
... and Kenya too?!?!
OK, now I remember ... we win when you say something like this.:up:

nsd3
August 1, 2006, 12:06 AM
I'd say it's an opportuniy for the younger ones to go get there and make it happen. On the other hand, it's become tougher to some extent as we had to depend on Bashar to survive there for some time as players like ashraful are never dependable. If both Ashraful and Bashar clicks same day, Bangladesh enjoys a good day. Anyway, it's gonna be tough to select the one whom we can depend on survival point of view and scoring point of view. My choice for that would be Rajin. He can survive long enough, he just needs to score at a descent rate as well. Should be interseting.

Rabz
August 1, 2006, 12:30 AM
loosing the captain is probably the biggest psychological blow u can hv in the midst of an ongoing series. if our so called superstars cant rise to this occasion and take it as an extra responsibilities upon them to perform, just even for their captain, it would be a total shame.

it is a mighty blow, but i think we should still win the games against zims and kenya. rajin must must replace him as a batsman and dont see any other option but pilot to captain, after all he is the most experienced player along with rafiq and jo.

i believe we can survive. we r not one man team.

nasifkhan
August 1, 2006, 12:37 AM
i believe we can survive. we r not one man team.

Are we a 11 man team? .....11 man team hoile to australia hoye jaitam....

Fazal
August 1, 2006, 10:43 AM
Now that Bashar is out of the series and Pilot is the captain, most likely we are not going to watch Rahim playing in a single game.

Its a bad news for Bashar, but its even worst news for Rahim.

sadi
August 1, 2006, 10:45 AM
yeah thats what I was thinking also but then again if we win the next two games, maybe rahim will play in the last game as a specialist batsman

Fazal
August 1, 2006, 10:51 AM
yeah thats what I was thinking also but then again if we win the next two games, maybe rahim will play in the last game as a specialist batsman

Yea you are right with the assumption that we can win next two games.

However, with the current team combination, I guess its most likely will be 2-2 after four games, therefore there will be no bold decision by the selectors in the 5th game.

In that case, (in the 5th game) you will most likely see Gullu, Nafees, Ash, Rajin, Alok and Pilot in the team and therefore no place for Rahim as a wicket keeper or as a batsman.