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abdulw11
August 6, 2006, 11:05 AM
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'We simply were not good enough' - Whatmore
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August 6, 2006
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Dav Whatmore, Bangladesh's coach, has said that Bangladesh were not good enough to beat Zimbabwe. Bangladesh lost the five-match series with a game to play after losing the fourth match by seven wickets at Harare on Friday.
"We simply were not good enough. We allowed them to win two matches as we could not sustain pressure," Whatmore, who at the start of the series said Bangladesh were favourites, told tigercricket.com. This was Bangladesh's fourth defeat in a bilateral series against Zimbabwe.
Khaled Mashud, stand-in captain for the injured Habibul Bashar in the third and fourth ODIs, blamed the batsmen for the defeat. "There was little we could do with that sort of total. It was good batting conditions and our batters just failed to capitalize on a position tailor-made for us," said Mashud. "The batting has let us down. If you look at the four matches I think we threw away 90 % of our wickets. In the first game we could have had 260 odd and in the third we should have really taken the game away from them after reaching 174 for 3 in the 32nd over. The fielding many would say was not up to the mark but I think we lost with the batting."
"When they [Zimbabwe] won the first game that put the pressure back on us and when they came back from the dead to win the third match confidence-wise they were on top. They held a mental edge over us and we were the side under pressure. However, I still believe that we have more quality than Zimbabwe but sadly we were nowhere near our best in this series.
"My message to the players is that they should try to perform individually in the next game and in the series against Kenya and that would in turn benefit the team. We just have to look ahead as we have lots of matches to come in the coming months."
Bangladesh play Kenya in three one-day internationals at Nairobi beginning on August 12.



How cheeky! Mashud trying to shift the blame on others. Whilst I agree that some of the batting was poor, I find it astonishing that, of all people, Mashud can point the finger at someone else. If he had the decency to admit that he made some crucial bad decisions (deciding to bat after winning toss and various run outs) then I would have understood him making those comments.

Fazal
August 6, 2006, 11:38 AM
Whats new here?

He thinks batting is OK before 4th ODI and then he tells batting is the problem. But we know for the 1st 4 ODI batting as more or less same... all four game they struggled... and was the main reason for your failures.

sar2005
August 6, 2006, 11:53 AM
not a bad blame, look into the 5th game. Probably he wants Nafees to score a century in every game....

Sovik
August 6, 2006, 07:20 PM
He is right. its our batsmen who cost us this series

Hatebreed
August 6, 2006, 07:39 PM
Pilot made severe errors on his part, his choice of bowlers were disastrous and his batting below par. The least he could do is apologise for his own bad performance, if not his incompetence as captain.

Sorry
August 6, 2006, 07:39 PM
Whats new here?

He thinks batting is OK before 4th ODI and then he tells batting is the problem. But we know for the 1st 4 ODI batting as more or less same... all four game they struggled... and was the main reason for your failures.
does it make any difference if he blames bowlers? the last time i heard a good reason for losing a game when micheal jordan's opponent calimed that the basket was too big.

Stumped
August 6, 2006, 08:00 PM
"My message to the players is that they should try to perform individually in the next game and in the series against Kenya and that would in turn benefit the team. We just have to look ahead as we have lots of matches to come in the coming months."

This i don't agree on.. is cricket not a team sport?! How u supposed to make a run with out someone calling!

DotBall
August 6, 2006, 08:04 PM
197, 236, 207, 267 is definately a result of poor batting against an inexperienced team (2nd tier in Zim's standard). Pilot was right and though all his decisions were not correct it is the batsmen who should be blamed for the poor showing.

HereWeGo
August 7, 2006, 01:03 AM
197, 236, 207, 267 is definately a result of poor batting against an inexperienced team (2nd tier in Zim's standard). Pilot was right and though all his decisions were not correct it is the batsmen who should be blamed for the poor showing.

I hope he also considers himself a batsmen( the worst of its kind) and thus blames himself too. Even yesterdays game( for people who watched), most of the runs that Masakadza scored of the three Left arm spinners are by sweepshots but he did not keep a man at 45 degrees ( the place where all the balls were ending up). Only at the end when Razzaq had two balls left ion his spell that he decided to make that change. This would have atleast saved 20 runs if not more. Trust me on this.

PoorFan
August 7, 2006, 03:28 AM
1st ODI

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</TD><TD noWrap width=192>Mohammad Ashraful (http://banglacricket.com/bangladesh/content/current/player/55988.html)</TD><TD width=246>c Higgins b Masakadza</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>37</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=right>3</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>86.20</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>


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Bashar was the captain and Mashud did nothing wrong but a good partnership between Rafique, after a horrible start from top order. But we lost the match because of poor fielding and poor bowling ( giving away too much runs ), some may blame Bashar on bowling change but I analyze it as pure bowling failure of our regular bowlers. So no way we can blame Mashud but our batting as a prime reason for our 1st ODI defeat.

2nd ODI

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Most of the fielding was captained by Mashud, but our top order failed again when Mashud was the savior of this match building 3 reasonable partnership among Rafique, Mashree and Razzak. And Thank's to our bowlers who's good effort along with Mashud and late order batting brought us the win to level the series. So in this match also our batting has to be blamed as prime reason for poor performance.

3rd ODI

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In this match once again top order once again start poor, but recovered well by Aftab, Rajin and Ash and late order couldn't take advantage from that. Finally poor fielding and bowling presented the winning match to Zimbo, thank's to Mashree all credit goes to him giving 17+ runs to Zimbo in last over. Some may blame Mashud for his slow batting, but the prime reason we lost because of poor bowling at the end of the match + poor fielding, poor batting comes next.

4th ODI

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</TD><TD noWrap width=192>Mohammad Ashraful (http://banglacricket.com/bangladesh/content/current/player/55988.html)</TD><TD width=246>run out (Duffin/http://banglacricket.com/navigation/engine-nav/keeper.gifTaylor)</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>60.00</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD align=right>


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Mashud choose batting first could be a bad decision but once again top order failure is the prime reason for our lowest score in this series. So in my opinion, Mashud as a captain blamed our batsman for losing this series is very fair and reasonable.

He has his own limitations here and there but that's not the main reason we lost the series.

HereWeGo
August 7, 2006, 05:14 AM
Well on the third ODI we were going at more than 5 runs an over before pilot came into bat. He decreased the runrate considerably, thus increased the pressure on reza to score and he was run out just because pilot could not rotate the strike. At the end he scored around 11 in 30 odd balls.

On the second match if we are to be thankful to neone than that is farhad reza. Trust me if it wasnt for Reza we would have lost that match too. Pilot just cant score at high pace. Even when pilot and Razzaq( 10th batsmen) was batting the commentrators were saying that Zimbabwe was better off keeping pilot at the striking end because of his lack of ability to rotate the strike.

Lets not even talk abt his bowling changes. Taking a player off rioght after he managed an hattrick!!!! explain that to me. Pls don go by the stats. He puts pressure on the other batsmen to score who inevitably gets out as a result. Pilot remains till the end scoring 30+ and becomes the savoiur of humiliation. Thats just going by the stats and not looking at the real picture. Lets face it, he is the Suckiest batsmen in the team.

thebest
August 7, 2006, 05:19 AM
" is cricket not a team sport?! How u supposed to make a run with out someone calling!

Not for Pilot. The way he run out Reza, in 2 consecutive match prove that

PoorFan
August 7, 2006, 05:50 AM
Thats just going by the stats and not looking at the real picture. Lets face it, he is the Suckiest batsmen in the team.<!--StartFragment -->
Mashud is NOT a batsman in the first place, I say the Suckiest batsmen in the team IS our so called specialist TOP ORDER, especially in this series. And we lost the series because of their pathetic batting display through the series, that's the MAIN reason of losing series. No way they can hide, no way we can ignore!

Stats never says all the truth, but never lie all the time too.

cricket_dorshok
August 7, 2006, 05:58 AM
Not for Pilot. The way he run out Reza, in 2 consecutive match prove that
He is not at all responsible for Reza's run out in the 2nd time atleast (that I watched).

HereWeGo
August 7, 2006, 08:24 AM
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Mashud is NOT a batsman in the first place, I say the Suckiest batsmen in the team IS our so called specialist TOP ORDER, especially in this series. And we lost the series because of their pathetic batting display through the series, that's the MAIN reason of losing series. No way they can hide, no way we can ignore!

Stats never says all the truth, but never lie all the time too.


First of all this aint 1980's. To be a WK in a national side u also got to bat well. The whole of Top order failed only in the second match( which ironically we won). I really don care wat people make of the stat. I just know that it doesnt say that reza was run out for pilot, Rafique got out slogging only because pilot cudnt rotate the strike. And mushfique is a better batsmen than pilot, and mushfiquecan score 50+ in 70 balls against a zimbabwe attack anyday of the week. and finally stat wont tell u that hossain was taken out of the attack at the time when he was bowling his best. And the horrific truth that Stat WILL tell u is that we lost the series( but it wont blame neone for that).

Tigers_eye
August 7, 2006, 08:36 AM
First of all this aint 1980's. To be a WK in a national side u also got to bat well. The whole of Top order failed only in the second match( which ironically we won).
First of all this aint 1980's. To be a top order in a national side u got to bat well in a consistancy basis. losing 5 wickets within 25 overs, u r asking the tail to not only bat well but also not lose wickets which the *(&%^*(&%^*(&%^ top order couldn't do.

Miraz
August 7, 2006, 08:37 AM
For defeats in the 3rd & 4th ODI, Mashud is the main culprit for the defeat. Any para cricketer would have guided the match to a comfortable win. Mistakes done by him was like novice (or, he had already fixed the result of the matches). Now, he is blaming the batsmen, this shows his character.

He was never a team man, a selfish player who can only bring controversary in the team.

And please don't bring stats to show he is a good batsman. He never ever won a single ODI by his batting. He only batted well when defeat is confirmed.

LateCut
August 7, 2006, 12:19 PM
I do not know about the 4th. However, the 3rd is largely his own doing. He did not mange his bowlers well. The last over crucial instructions to Mash were either missing or misplaced. There is no way on earth you give up 17runs to loose a match. Why was Mash allowed to bowl full and fast. Three well-timed shots spelled the doom for us. We needed variation (slower bowl) and prevention of drives (just short of length and on stump or off).

My verdict is 75% Mashud, 15% Mash and 10% 'butter fingers'

Tigers_eye
August 7, 2006, 01:13 PM
For defeats in the 3rd & 4th ODI, Mashud is the main culprit for the defeat. Any para cricketer would have guided the match to a comfortable win. Mistakes done by him was like novice (or, he had already fixed the result of the matches). Now, he is blaming the batsmen, this shows his character.

He was never a team man, a selfish player who can only bring controversary in the team.

And please don't bring stats to show he is a good batsman. He never ever won a single ODI by his batting. He only batted well when defeat is confirmed.
Never say never. :)

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh/engine/match/249204.html

Two crucial partnership of 71 and 48, and a not out 48. From 5/76 to 238/8. Whom do you want to give the highest credit to? Ah, he also made the bowling changes, captained the team while Bashar got injured in the beginning of the second innings. Yes, when we win it is everyone elses contribution that counts but not Mashud's. And when we lose all the blame goes to Mashud. Thus is justice.

kalpurush
August 7, 2006, 02:33 PM
Well...it's me whom to blame! Because I am a BD fan and watched the game...

HereWeGo
August 8, 2006, 03:22 AM
First of all this aint 1980's. To be a top order in a national side u got to bat well in a consistancy basis. losing 5 wickets within 25 overs, u r asking the tail to not only bat well but also not lose wickets which the *(&%^*(&%^*(&%^ top order couldn't do.

Ok honestly i did not get u. neways seems like u r the biggest pilot fan ever if not Mr. Pilot himself. Pls get this straight we won the second match mainly for the brisk scoring of Reza. Mushfiq can also occupy one side wenever given the chace( we all saw that at lords). Bangladesh top order has been failing since ever. Just recently they have been doing ok. pilot was a key man once but not nemore. Accept it plsssss. And Top order did their job in the last ODI.:p

captain_thinking_tank
August 8, 2006, 04:02 AM
Mashud blames batsmen for defeat and I blame Mashud for defeat...who is right, its up to you...:p

PoorFan
August 8, 2006, 04:51 AM
Ok honestly i did not get u. neways seems like u r the biggest pilot fan ever if not Mr. Pilot himself. Pls get this straight we won the second match mainly for the brisk scoring of Reza. Mushfiq can also occupy one side wenever given the chace( we all saw that at lords). Bangladesh top order has been failing since ever. Just recently they have been doing ok. pilot was a key man once but not nemore. Accept it plsssss. And Top order did their job in the last ODI.:p
<!--StartFragment -->I cant believe you still arguing on this matter! The 2nd match we won even though our top order failed because of 3 reasonable PARTNERSHIP, not only for Reza, Rafique or Mashree! but for 3 partnership at the dead end.

In 3rd match Rafique scored 0 playing 6 balls & got out in 40.4 overs, and Mashree scored 2 playing 6 balls & got out in 42.4 overs. Finally we got all out leaving 1 overs left to be played! Which clearly shows even a 10 runs of PARTNERSHIP at that point would have own us the match easily. But we cant blame Rafique and Mashree for their failure, since they are pure bowlers not batsman, though lot of bowlers are capable of scoring runs these days if not 1980s. Nor we cant just blame Mashree giving away 17+ runs in final over, bowling 4 <!--StartFragment -->continuous full toss ball, being a strike bowler of BD. It must have to be the team work ( batting, bowling, fielding wise ) which should be blamed.

We all know Mashud's inability to score big and in high rate, that's his limitation and he always put his heart on his job to bring the best. Mashud is not Gilly, and BD is not AUS, if it is we wouldn't be arguing losing series against a team like Zim. It's beyond me how can you fail to recognize TOTAL failure of our top order through this series, poor fielding and bowling comes next. Rather you putting your gun on the head of one individual IS Mashud, that's hilarious! Did you ever heard any captain blaming any individual after any series loss? other than bad batting, bowling, fielding, condition or lack of practice or anything for that matter?

imroze
August 8, 2006, 05:23 AM
For defeats in the 3rd & 4th ODI, Mashud is the main culprit for the defeat. Any para cricketer would have guided the match to a comfortable win. Mistakes done by him was like novice (or, he had already fixed the result of the matches). Now, he is blaming the batsmen, this shows his character.

He was never a team man, a selfish player who can only bring controversary in the team.

And please don't bring stats to show he is a good batsman. He never ever won a single ODI by his batting. He only batted well when defeat is confirmed.


Thx Miraz. This is exactly what i also feel about that has been Pilot

thebest
August 8, 2006, 06:33 AM
I blame Masud not Mash for the defeat in 3rd ODI. In Prothom Alo, Mash was saying, before the over, he was not confident enough to prtoect 17 runs. My question did he told his captain this? If yes, why Masud persist with him? And with Mash record in bowling at death, even if Farhad bowled it had been justified (remember SL or first one day he gave away 15 runs in a over). The second, if Mash did not tell him, why he did not. That means Mash either has no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator. My third question, why on earth he remove Shahadat, just after he claimed a hattric. Regarding his batting on that match, the less the better. Remember even Rajjak has a 90 strike rate. He came even at worse position then Pilot.
On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser. Why on earth he chose to bat after winning the toss. I know it is a team management decision but it does not make sense. But as a captain he should take some blame because he is part of management.
I would call his batting is now suffering from 'JO syndrom'. In this syndrom, a batsman protect his wicket at any cost. Thus forcing his partners to carry out the attack on opposition and perish on the process. The player becomes hero to some of the fans, because from scorecard it looks like he is the only one who tried to salvage the game.

Miraz
August 8, 2006, 06:42 AM
I blame Masud not Mash for the defeat in 3rd ODI. In Prothom Alo, Mash was saying, before the over, he was not confident enough to prtoect 17 runs. My question did he told his captain this? If yes, why Masud persist with him? And with Mash record in bowling at death, even if Farhad bowled it had been justified (remember SL or first one day he gave away 15 runs in a over). The second, if Mash did not tell him, why he did not. That means Mash either has no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator. My third question, why on earth he remove Shahadat, just after he claimed a hattric. Regarding his batting on that match, the less the better. Remember even Rajjak has a 90 strike rate. He came even at worse position then Pilot.
On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser. Why on earth he chose to bat after winning the toss. I know it is a team management decision but it does not make sense. But as a captain he should take some blame because he is part of management.
I would call his batting is now suffering from 'JO syndrom'. In this syndrom, a batsman protect his wicket at any cost. Thus forcing his partners to carry out the attack on opposition and perish on the process. The player becomes hero to some of the fans, because from scorecard it looks like he is the only one who tried to salvage the game.

Could not agree more :up:

Good analysis.

PoorFan
August 9, 2006, 05:59 AM
I blame Masud not Mash for the defeat in 3rd ODI. In Prothom Alo, Mash was saying, before the over, he was not confident enough to prtoect 17 runs. My question did he told his captain this? If yes, why Masud persist with him? And with Mash record in bowling at death, even if Farhad bowled it had been justified (remember SL or first one day he gave away 15 runs in a over). The second, if Mash did not tell him, why he did not. That means Mash either has no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator. My third question, why on earth he remove Shahadat, just after he claimed a hattric. Regarding his batting on that match, the less the better. Remember even Rajjak has a 90 strike rate. He came even at worse position then Pilot.
On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser. Why on earth he chose to bat after winning the toss. I know it is a team management decision but it does not make sense. But as a captain he should take some blame because he is part of management.
I would call his batting is now suffering from 'JO syndrom'. In this syndrom, a batsman protect his wicket at any cost. Thus forcing his partners to carry out the attack on opposition and perish on the process. The player becomes hero to some of the fans, because from scorecard it looks like he is the only one who tried to salvage the game.

<!--StartFragment -->"... even if Farhad bowled it had been justified"?

how?? Giving the ball to bowl to a debu instead of STRIKE bowler of the team in a crucial last over would have justified? just imagine how we would have react on Mashud IF reza gave that 17+ runs in that last over! Mashud could have died already by lynch by some of us ( just a joke ). Reza could have bowled better than Mashree is a pure 'speculation' based on nothing ( read not tested yet ).

"... no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator"

is another 'speculation' which also has no base on this particular matter ( the reason Mash did not tell him ). How about Mash's own hesitation not to be identified as a 'cry baby' or thought 'can get away with it' or a fear of shame showing everyone 'not able to take last over challenge' being the strike bowler of the team, could hundred more reason, but NO it must be Mashud to be blamed one way or another.

"... On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser."

Since when we become so consistent in chasing?? I thought Bashar was saying we lost first 2 game against Zim because we batted later ( in Dhaka ). You mean we could have won 4th match if we chased, which is another 'speculation' with not much support, since we also won match and score good total by batting first.

Since we are arguing on 'speculation', so let me try one ...
When Shahadat got hat trick it was 39th over and 40th over bowled by Razzak, at this point the bowling figure of our main bowlers was ...

Mashree 6-0-15-0
Shahadat 8-0-27-3
Reza 7-1-31-1

Razzak 8-1-27-1
Rafique 8-0-34-0

There was still 10 overs to be played and Mashud might have thought check the run rate giving the ball to Mashree and Rafique, since Mashree had 4 overs left with excellent figure, and of course keep the Zimbo in pressure. It was working till 46th over when RRR: become 12.00, but bad luck we didn't get any wicket by that time.

Then Shahadat gave 15 and 11, Razzak gave 5, and finally Mashree gave 17+! ( in this last 4 overs ).

So what makes sure that Shahadat wouldn't gave those runs early if he continued after hat trick? What makes sure he would have got more wicket if he continued? Who knows? may be Mashud's bowling change kept Zim's RRR up to 12:00 at 46th over and 17 in last over, which brought us so close to the win. In that sense giving the ball to Mashree after hat trick to check the run rate and keep Shahadat for the deadly overs is also make sense. But again we dont know for sure unless Mashud speaks up on his own.

At the end, all these are 'speculation', we dont know for sure, so it's not wise putting all of our money on these issue, and put the gun on someones head. Besides if all these 'selfish', 'slow batting cause other partner to throw his wicket' are so TRUTH, how come the players like Rafique or Mashree or others, including selectors are keeping their eyes close? Are they scared of Mashud? even Rafique?

We have other type of HERO in the team, as a matter of fact in good numbers. As long as those hero exist in the team, there will be other type of hero in the team too, it's so natural.

Anyway, I am done with this thread.

sadi
August 9, 2006, 08:19 AM
<!--StartFragment -->"... even if Farhad bowled it had been justified"?

how?? Giving the ball to bowl to a debu instead of STRIKE bowler of the team in a crucial last over would have justified? just imagine how we would have react on Mashud IF reza gave that 17+ runs in that last over! Mashud could have died already by lynch by some of us ( just a joke ). Reza could have bowled better than Mashree is a pure 'speculation' based on nothing ( read not tested yet ).

"... no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator"

is another 'speculation' which also has no base on this particular matter ( the reason Mash did not tell him ). How about Mash's own hesitation not to be identified as a 'cry baby' or thought 'can get away with it' or a fear of shame showing everyone 'not able to take last over challenge' being the strike bowler of the team, could hundred more reason, but NO it must be Mashud to be blamed one way or another.

"... On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser."

Since when we become so consistent in chasing?? I thought Bashar was saying we lost first 2 game against Zim because we batted later ( in Dhaka ). You mean we could have won 4th match if we chased, which is another 'speculation' with not much support, since we also won match and score good total by batting first.

Since we are arguing on 'speculation', so let me try one ...
When Shahadat got hat trick it was 39th over and 40th over bowled by Razzak, at this point the bowling figure of our main bowlers was ...

Mashree 6-0-15-0
Shahadat 8-0-27-3
Reza 7-1-31-1

Razzak 8-1-27-1
Rafique 8-0-34-0

There was still 10 overs to be played and Mashud might have thought check the run rate giving the ball to Mashree and Rafique, since Mashree had 4 overs left with excellent figure, and of course keep the Zimbo in pressure. It was working till 46th over when RRR: become 12.00, but bad luck we didn't get any wicket by that time.


Very well said. Great point. We always seem to find some scapegoat for our loss and now its Pilot. People can be so unreasonable sometime and seem to blame everything on somebody. I just can't believe someone blamed Pilot for Mashrafee not telling him he was scared to bowl last over. How unreasonable can you get. Now its easy to say he could've given Forhad the last over but I am sure 99.9% of us would given the ball the mashrafee in that situation.

Tigers_eye
August 9, 2006, 08:34 AM
One more speculation. Pilot is not a good motivator (Guys, as if you know him personally and he couldn't motivate you or a player has informed you) but Bashar is. Pure speculations.

My thing is, Dang, you are playing for your beloved country, you are representing your beloved country, how much extra motivation do you need to put a price at your wicket or partnership? Irresponsible shots match after match (SN, AA, Ash, Alok, Captain Bashar himself). The passion BC members show in their posts, I can certainly say if they were in the team they would die for to listen to the coach and stick to the strategy. Ultimately it boils down to the players own responsibility. Lets not make a scape goat and blame one person for others mistake.

MarufH
August 9, 2006, 10:02 AM
He shouldn't be blaming anyone as he killed couple of batsman with by running them out and so...

thebest
August 9, 2006, 10:34 AM
It was an angry response. Cool Down:) . I would answer all the queries and is not it every what if is speculation.
<!--StartFragment -->"... even if Farhad bowled it had been justified"?

how?? Giving the ball to bowl to a debu instead of STRIKE bowler of the team in a crucial last over would have justified? just imagine how we would have react on Mashud IF reza gave that 17+ runs in that last over! Mashud could have died already by lynch by some of us ( just a joke ). Reza could have bowled better than Mashree is a pure 'speculation' based on nothing ( read not tested yet )..
This was on the basis that Mash was not confident. It seems that Farhad looks more confident on crunch situation in the way he batted in the 3 innings he played. He also bowl regulerly at death for Rajshahi divison.

<!--StartFragment -->"... no faith on Pilot or Pilot is a bad communicator"

is another 'speculation' which also has no base on this particular matter ( the reason Mash did not tell him ). How about Mash's own hesitation not to be identified as a 'cry baby' or thought 'can get away with it' or a fear of shame showing everyone 'not able to take last over challenge' being the strike bowler of the team, could hundred more reason, but NO it must be Mashud to be blamed one way or another.)..
The bold one is more speculation. He does not wanted to be cry baby to 11 team mates who would kept it private but does not hesistate to tell the 140 million people that he was not confident.
Read this (http://www.prothom-alo.net/v1/newhtmlnews1/category.php?CategoryID=9&Date=2006-08-04)
<!--StartFragment -->"... On 4th ODI, traditionally we are good chaser."

Since when we become so consistent in chasing?? I thought Bashar was saying we lost first 2 game against Zim because we batted later ( in Dhaka ). You mean we could have won 4th match if we chased, which is another 'speculation' with not much support, since we also won match and score good total by batting first...
When you beat Australia and SL two best ODI team of the world, you can confidently say that we are better at chasing than defending. And pls re read I did not blame Pilot solely for that decesion.
<!--StartFragment -->
Since we are arguing on 'speculation', so let me try one ...
When Shahadat got hat trick it was 39th over and 40th over bowled by Razzak, at this point the bowling figure of our main bowlers was ...

Mashree 6-0-15-0
Shahadat 8-0-27-3
Reza 7-1-31-1

Razzak 8-1-27-1
Rafique 8-0-34-0

There was still 10 overs to be played and Mashud might have thought check the run rate giving the ball to Mashree and Rafique, since Mashree had 4 overs left with excellent figure, and of course keep the Zimbo in pressure. It was working till 46th over when RRR: become 12.00, but bad luck we didn't get any wicket by that time.

Then Shahadat gave 15 and 11, Razzak gave 5, and finally Mashree gave 17+! ( in this last 4 overs ).

So what makes sure that Shahadat wouldn't gave those runs early if he continued after hat trick? What makes sure he would have got more wicket if he continued? Who knows? may be Mashud's bowling change kept Zim's RRR up to 12:00 at 46th over and 17 in last over, which brought us so close to the win. In that sense giving the ball to Mashree after hat trick to check the run rate and keep Shahadat for the deadly overs is also make sense. But again we dont know for sure unless Mashud speaks up on his own.

At the end, all these are 'speculation', we dont know for sure, so it's not wise putting all of our money on these issue, and put the gun on someones head. Besides if all these 'selfish', 'slow batting cause other partner to throw his wicket' are so TRUTH, how come the players like Rafique or Mashree or others, including selectors are keeping their eyes close? Are they scared of Mashud? even Rafique?

We have other type of HERO in the team, as a matter of fact in good numbers. As long as those hero exist in the team, there will be other type of hero in the team too, it's so natural.

Anyway, I am done with this thread.

It is common knowledge when opposition is down go for the kill. They were reeling 150/7. What Masud did? he just remove Shahadat - the bowler who was causing havoc. Any one with experience in competative game knows that you would get best result when you are adranalin is really charged up. At that time whole XI's adranalin was at top. Continuing Shaadat would make much better result. Remember when he was back, Rafiq dropped a sitter and by the time Adranalin came much at lesser pressure. Masud's bowling change kept Zim's RRR up to 12:00 at 46th over and 17 in last over but it would not been needed if he kept Shahadat on. Regarding selector issue we have better example of JO. So I am not going to comment on that.


My thing is, Dang, you are playing for your beloved country, you are representing your beloved country, how much extra motivation do you need to put a price at your wicket or partnership? Irresponsible shots match after match (SN, AA, Ash, Alok, Captain Bashar himself). The passion BC members show in their posts, I can certainly say if they were in the team they would die for to listen to the coach and stick to the strategy. Ultimately it boils down to the players own responsibility. Lets not make a scape goat and blame one person for others mistake.

Can not agree with you more. But in my cynical mind question pops up why people fixed match for losing match? There is this allegation againest only one player of Bangladesh. All of us know who it is.:D

Just like poorfan i am also done with this thread.
Thank you all

Fazal
August 9, 2006, 10:50 AM
Every one is done with this thread so quickly. Too bad.... I thought things were just about to warming up... Bhaiyera Amar Gosha Koren Na.... Chaleyee Jan... don't spoil the fun....:D

so ... who is winning in this agrument?