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pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:15 PM
Why didn't they just send him home with Golla, Alok and Bashar? In a meaningless game they can't even include him as a specialist batsman. Why is he even there? This team could have used Mehrab Jr./Rana as there 14th man much better. Why are they abusing Mashrafee, Pilot and Rafiq's bodies in a meaningless game. If they knew they had to use Pilot in all three games regardless of the result just because they didn't want to change the skipper in the middle of the tour, they should have set up the roster accordingly. There is no place for Mushfiq in it. Except the Englad tour we haven't generally travelled with two wicket keepers. If Tushar is picked instead of Rahim why was't he in the roster before Rahim. Major logic vacuum there.

Miraz
August 14, 2006, 01:19 PM
No logic, selectors might write to Sven Goran Eriksson for help in explanation.

Mushfiqur Rahim - The latest Theo Walcott.

sadi
August 14, 2006, 01:21 PM
Well Mushfiq can still learn a lot by staying with the squad... So I am actually for the decision to have him in the squad even if we don't play him...

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 01:21 PM
Things fell apart after bashar's injury. now we have a captain whom the selectors thought Mushfiq would replace. So practicing at the nets and looking at game tapes and watching KM is what Mushfiq will gain from this tour.

being with the team always helps even if it of a minimal gain.

Miraz
August 14, 2006, 01:23 PM
Things fell apart after bashar's injury. now we have a captain whom the selectors thought Mushfiq would replace. So practicing at the nets and looking at game tapes and watching KM is what Mushfiq will gain from this tour.

being with the team always helps even if it of a minimal gain.

Agree with you.:)

al Furqaan
August 14, 2006, 01:25 PM
Well Mushfiq can still learn a lot by staying with the squad... So I am actually for the decision to have him in the squad even if we don't play him...

actually, they played him...he just didn't get to bat. unlucky for him perhaps.

i really think he would have demolished the zim-kenya bowling attacks. utseya would have troubled him perhaps tho he's no wicket taker.

its good that mushfiq gets this chance to watch and learn from the seniors. esp pilots keeping

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:29 PM
Things fell apart after bashar's injury. now we have a captain whom the selectors thought Mushfiq would replace. So practicing at the nets and looking at game tapes and watching KM is what Mushfiq will gain from this tour.

being with the team always helps even if it of a minimal gain. Bashar's injury happened before they announced the roster for Kenya. I am sure he can learn a lot staying with the team. If thats their only answer they should have included Rahim in the team when all the foreign teams come to Dhaka. They don't do that. Therefrore they can't say learning is the objective there. They should include a player that helps the team directly. Its even more important after they cut their players from 15 to 14. There was no room for Rahim in this team. Why are they travelling internationally when they have only 13 options to choose from.

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:31 PM
actually, they played him...he just didn't get to bat. unlucky for him perhaps.

i really think he would have demolished the zim-kenya bowling attacks. utseya would have troubled him perhaps tho he's no wicket taker.

its good that mushfiq gets this chance to watch and learn from the seniors. esp pilots keeping WRONG. I am talking about the Kenya tour. Notice: I said he should have left with Alok and Golla. He had no business staying in Kenya. BCCB should have sent Mehrab Jr. or Rana there to replace him. If Bashar played then they could have rested Pilot. Since they can't rest Pilot whats Rahim doing there?

sadi
August 14, 2006, 01:32 PM
Bashar's injury happened before they announced the roster for Kenya. I am sure he can learn a lot staying with the team. If thats their only answer they should have included Rahim in the team when all the foreign teams come to Dhaka. They don't do that. Therefrore they can't say learning is the objective there. They should include a player that helps the team directly. Its even more important after they cut their players from 15 to 14. There was no room for Rahim in this team. Why are they travelling internationally when they have only 13 options to choose from.

I guess its not like they will never play him. If the situation demands it, ofcourse they will let him bat as a specialist batsman if not keeper. But the main priority is to let him stay and learn and unless some situation comes up where they need an extra batsman, they won't play him. There is a difference between the need of playing a batsman and playing a batsman just because he didn't get a chance in a dead series.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 01:33 PM
For any international tour, or for any tour in that matter, a team should have atleast two wicketkeepers. Just incase the main WK gets injured there would be an option. Since Tushar (parttime keeper) wasn't there Mushfiq's inclusion in the 14/15 is justifiable.

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:36 PM
I guess its not like they will never play him. If the situation demands it, ofcourse they will let him bat as a specialist batsman if not keeper. But the main priority is to let him stay and learn and unless some situation comes up where they need an extra batsman, they won't play him. There is a difference between the need of playing a batsman and playing a batsman just because he didn't get a chance in a dead series. again, whey don't the selectors include him in every domestic tournament roster so that he could learn. they don't do that. He is useless when Pilot is guaranteed to play. If they don't think highly enough of him as a pure batsman why didn't they send Mehrab Jr./Rana to kenya. Obvously, there are other player shufflings going on. Money isn't an issue with them.

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:39 PM
For any international tour, or for any tour in that matter, a team should have atleast two wicketkeepers. Just incase the main WK gets injured there would be an option. Since Tushar (parttime keeper) wasn't there Mushfiq's inclusion in the 14/15 is justifiable. The only other tour we took 2 wicketkeepers was the England tour. I can't remember any other one in a long time. Therefore, they can't use this logic either.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 01:45 PM
hehehe! We didn't have 34+ WK then. As you said, KM's knees are a bit concern to you that says that he may pick up injury at anytime. Just because he is the captain we can't replace the captain so Mush couldn't get his chance in a dead match.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 01:47 PM
Also there is nothing much to learn in batting while watching these useless batsmen play. But there is a lot of things to learn on how to keep differently with different bowlers. So the net practice did help Mushfiq.

BagherBacha
August 14, 2006, 01:51 PM
he should have been included in BCB academy team which is leaving for pak today

babubangla
August 14, 2006, 01:51 PM
[বাংলা]পাইলটের এখন বয়স হইছে...সেই তাগড়া দিন এখন আর নাই।
আজ কাশি, তো কাল ব্রোংকাইটিস, তো পরশু গা ম্যাজম্যাজানি।
তাছাড়া আল্লাহ না করুক বল ধরতে গিয়া আঙ্গুলে ব্যাথা পাইতে পারে, ঠোটের মধ্যে আইসা বল লাগতে পারে, টুক কইরা দুইটা দাঁত পইড়া যাইতে পারে। রোগ-বালাই, আপদ-বিপদের কি কোন ঠিক ঠিকানা আছে? তার চাইয়া ভালো- মুশফিক ছ্যাড়া সাথে পাশে থাইকা তার একটু দেখা শোনা করুক, অজুর পানি-চিলমচি-এটাসেটা আগাইয়া দিক। আল্লাহ চাহে তো পাইলটের দোয়ায় মুশফিক ছ্যাড়ার অশেষ ফজিলত কামিয়াব হবে। ক্রিকেট চেংড়া পোলাপাইনের খেলা, তয় মুরুব্বীর দোয়াও দরকার আছে।
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pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 01:59 PM
hehehe! We didn't have 34+ WK then. As you said, KM's knees are a bit concern to you that says that he may pick up injury at anytime. Just because he is the captain we can't replace the captain so Mush couldn't get his chance in a dead match. Notice I didn't argue about the Zimbabwue tour. Pilot was replacable in that tour since Bashar was there. Therefore, Mushfiq could have played if Pilot was in bad form or was injured. In the Kenya tour the selectors obviously do not want to rest Pilot. Tushar is there, who they think is a better batsman (and an adequate wicketkeeper as well if Pilot gets injured). Why didn't they include Mehrab Jr/ Rana in this roster over Rahim? Alok adn Golla could have used some company on their trip home. I don't argue that Rahim is learning in Kenya. Thats far from my argument. My argument is that the selectors are not consistant with their logic. If Rahim's learning is their main objective why don't they take him in the local games of BD teams.

TheWatcher
August 14, 2006, 02:01 PM
I am a bit disappointed too because of Rahim's non-inclusion, but the management made quite a few bold decisions this tour by sending JO and Alok home, and by trying Ash in place of Rajin. So, I will let this one pass.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 02:16 PM
Notice I didn't argue about the Zimbabwue tour. Pilot was replacable in that tour since Bashar was there. Therefore, Mushfiq could have played if Pilot was in bad form or was injured. In the Kenya tour the selectors obviously do not want to rest Pilot. Tushar is there, who they think is a better batsman (and an adequate wicketkeeper as well if Pilot gets injured). Why didn't they include Mehrab Jr/ Rana in this roster over Rahim? Alok adn Golla could have used some company on their trip home. I don't argue that Rahim is learning in Kenya. Thats far from my argument. My argument is that the selectors are not consistant with their logic. If Rahim's learning is their main objective why don't they take him in the local games of BD teams.
Playing on the road is different than playing at home. Agree?
Playing in the super bowl is undescribable for those who didn't play. Agree?

That's why he needed the experience on a away tour.
For BD home series he was included in SL series (bogura test).

So after his U-19 performance he may have missed 2 series out of 5. Kenya and Australia. But he played against Kenya as a member of the development squad.

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 02:21 PM
I am a bit disappointed too because of Rahim's non-inclusion, but the management made quite a few bold decisions this tour by sending JO and Alok home, BOLD! ROFLMAO! Dude, talk about overdue. These chickens were not burnt. These chickens turned to coal and then to diamond. Ow man if you were a woman I would have wanted to marry you. I am master at meeting low expectations.

sadi
August 14, 2006, 02:25 PM
Profulam ewefigeti! Chimbi thama fukedhei na?:lol: :lol:

I am still waiting for some mod action. This poster is flooding the board with msgs like this.

pagol-chagol
August 14, 2006, 02:28 PM
Playing on the road is different than playing at home. Agree?
Playing in the super bowl is undescribable for those who didn't play. Agree?

That's why he needed the experience on a away tour.
For BD home series he was included in SL series (bogura test).

So after his U-19 performance he may have missed 2 series out of 5. Kenya and Australia. But he played against Kenya as a member of the development squad. You know what? I think Pilot insisted that he plays in the 3rd game. He didn't want Rahim to get the slightest opportunity to outshine him.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 02:30 PM
You know what? I think Pilot insisted that he plays in the 3rd game. He didn't want Rahim to get the slightest opportunity to outshine him.
That may be absolutely true. As the Media had made a big deal when they left Dhaka, he is just taking a revenge on the kid since he is the captain.

Tigers_eye
August 14, 2006, 02:32 PM
I am still waiting for some mod action. This poster is flooding the board with msgs like this.
Help should be on its way.

Sovik
August 14, 2006, 04:51 PM
You know what? I think Pilot insisted that he plays in the 3rd game. He didn't want Rahim to get the slightest opportunity to outshine him.

that might be the reason

LateCut
August 14, 2006, 06:00 PM
Razzak is hurt. Our bowling is dominating Kenya. So, we can go with one less bowler. Let Rahim play for Razzak and let us not risk Razzak.

HawkEye000
August 14, 2006, 06:42 PM
It would have been better if Mushfiqur had gone to Pakistan with the Academy team.

bapzmania
August 14, 2006, 10:40 PM
Originally Posted by pagol-chagol
You know what? I think Pilot insisted that he plays in the 3rd game. He didn't want Rahim to get the slightest opportunity to outshine him
The only man Pilot who make sure that Mushfiq will not be able to get a single chance.....

Rabz
August 14, 2006, 11:18 PM
[বাংলা]পাইলটের এখন বয়স হইছে...সেই তাগড়া দিন এখন আর নাই।
আজ কাশি, তো কাল ব্রোংকাইটিস, তো পরশু গা ম্যাজম্যাজানি।
তাছাড়া আল্লাহ না করুক বল ধরতে গিয়া আঙ্গুলে ব্যাথা পাইতে পারে, ঠোটের মধ্যে আইসা বল লাগতে পারে, টুক কইরা দুইটা দাঁত পইড়া যাইতে পারে। রোগ-বালাই, আপদ-বিপদের কি কোন ঠিক ঠিকানা আছে? তার চাইয়া ভালো- মুশফিক ছ্যাড়া সাথে পাশে থাইকা তার একটু দেখা শোনা করুক, অজুর পানি-চিলমচি-এটাসেটা আগাইয়া দিক। আল্লাহ চাহে তো পাইলটের দোয়ায় মুশফিক ছ্যাড়ার অশেষ ফজিলত কামিয়াব হবে। ক্রিকেট চেংড়া পোলাপাইনের খেলা, তয় মুরুব্বীর দোয়াও দরকার আছে।
[/বাংলা]

:D :D great one babu bhai...

i think his inclusion is justified. he is still rated as the understudy of Khaled Mashud and touring with the national team, hanging with the big boys would certainly should make him a bit more mature and have the sense of belongingness.

yes the whole plan fall apart. if Bashar wasnt injured, i guess we might hv seen at least once more of Rahim. but things always dont work the way they are originally planned for.

and the question bout 2nd wk?? well we didnt hv any reasonalbe wk before who could be taken as a possible replacement, also Pilot was in a unbreakable fitness those days. yes he has grown older and so its always good to hv a replacement handy.
i mean c'mon the kid is only 19 or 20. we dont still hv to rush in, given the position he is running for.

Ahmed_B
August 15, 2006, 05:26 AM
They should include a player that helps the team directly. Its even more important after they cut their players from 15 to 14. There was no room for Rahim in this team. Why are they travelling internationally when they have only 13 options to choose from.
The fact that Rahim was not included has probably got you so very annoyed that you are completely missing the point that even Pilot could be injured and in that case we will have no Wicketkeeper in the team if Rahim is not in the 15-man squad. Do you completely rule out that chance?

And why are you so annoyed if all of the 15 memebers of the squad do not get a game? Is this the first time in sports histroy that this has happened? Do you know that even Maradona had to sit in the side-bench for a whole world-cup despite being in the team before he actually got to play in the NEXT world cup soccer?

Have some patience man!

karimjay.
August 15, 2006, 06:00 AM
No logic, selectors might write to Sven Goran Eriksson for help in explanation.

Mushfiqur Rahim - The latest Theo Walcott.

Haha good one.