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israr
August 30, 2006, 11:17 AM
Ramadan is approaching and Bangladesh will have to play three matches(Insha'Allah more as well) in the midst of this holy month. So my question is: Will our players be fasting during their scheduled fixtures against SL, WI and ZIM?

AsifTheManRahman
August 30, 2006, 11:18 AM
players don't fast if they play during Ramadan.

sadi
August 30, 2006, 11:24 AM
They didn't fast before and I don't think they will start now.

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2006, 11:29 AM
If basketball players (Hakim, Abdur Rauf) can play a game at noon and still fast then certainly a Cricket player can fast too if he wishes. But the question is, are our players as fit as the NBA greats?

TheWatcher
August 30, 2006, 11:40 AM
I don't know about the religious convictions of our players. But, (according to my little knowledge about Islam) as travelers, they are not required to fast during the champions trophy.

Hatebreed
August 30, 2006, 11:43 AM
If basketball players (Hakim, Abdur Rauf) can play a game at noon and still fast then certainly a Cricket player can fast too if he wishes. But the question is, are our players as fit as the NBA greats?

Have you considered the difference of time, setting (i.e. ground) and physical effort involved in both sports?

AsifTheManRahman
August 30, 2006, 11:54 AM
basketball is more demanding, i would suppose.

anyways, comparing the fitness of NBA players to that of our lunch-time-e-biryani-khawa players is like comparing apples and oranges :D

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2006, 12:00 PM
Have you considered the difference of time, setting (i.e. ground) and physical effort involved in both sports?
Difference of time: As back as I can remember they fasted in the month of March to May. 15/20 years back. That would be similar to september in India.
Setting and physical effort: I would rank basketball 100% more physically demanding than Cricket. With the breaks crickets get, there is no comparison. It's like who is more fitter a sprinter or marathon runner.

The only disadvantage the cricket players will have is the heat (sun).

But as TheWatcher have mentioned that they will be traveling so they can make up the fasting in some other time.

kalpurush
August 30, 2006, 12:18 PM
ODI cricket is eight hours long, therefore, it requires more efforts than basketball for sure.

sadi
August 30, 2006, 12:19 PM
What if they don't travel? In case a game is being played in Bangladesh, I still don't think they will fast.

TheWatcher
August 30, 2006, 12:31 PM
According to my little knowledge, when someone is 50 miles away from his home city and he is intending to stay at the new place for less than 15 days, he is considered a traveller. So, as long a match is not played on the player's home city and he is not staying at that venue for continuous 15 days, he is not required to fast.

But yeah, no one can say for sure whether any of our cricketers will fast if he is required to do so during a match.

Tigers_eye
August 30, 2006, 12:42 PM
sadi,
I guess it depends on religious conviction and practice. The players have the right to fast but probably will not fast when it is a home game. The coach and the management has no say on it.

ialbd
August 30, 2006, 01:34 PM
The players will not fast as they did not in the past...

But one of my neighbourhood 'hujur' (in Dhaka) termed this as 'Shirq' as technically they'll avoid compulsory fasting and devote to sth apart from the sake of ALLAH.

I didnt try explaining the hujur anything like, they are playing for our country or they are playing the game as a part of their job that feeds them, cause I was confused myself. Its really hard to take a side in these sort of cases and even my conscious fails me for an answer.
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Ahmed_B
August 30, 2006, 01:56 PM
So my question is: Will our players be fasting during their scheduled fixtures against SL, WI and ZIM?
The question to ask before that one is "Do all our players fast during ramadan in regular times..i.e. when there are no matches?" :)

Firstly... I don't think that all of them are in the habit of fasting all through the month of Ramadan.

Secondly.. even if part of the team has the practice of fasting throughout this month, they will probably choose to spare it during match-days.

Thirdly... if any of them strictly follow the Ramadan practices, he/they will probably fast on match days too. Well.. let him/them maintain their level of faith. No probs.

baisab
August 30, 2006, 07:19 PM
I dont know for sure but i think the year pakistan won the world cup (1992 i think? In Australia), the duration of the tournament covered most of Ramadan. i clearly recall my dad mentioning that "the players look dry mouthed and hungry, they must be fasting, Allah help them win". even though i was 11 at that time, i do remember seeing Imran Khan looking dehydrated.

Carte Blanche
August 30, 2006, 07:37 PM
The players will not fast as they did not in the past...

But one of my neighbourhood 'hujur' (in Dhaka) termed this as 'Shirq' as technically they'll avoid compulsory fasting and devote to sth apart from the sake of ALLAH.

I didnt try explaining the hujur anything like, they are playing for our country or they are playing the game as a part of their job that feeds them, cause I was confused myself. Its really hard to take a side in these sort of cases and even my conscious fails me for an answer.

I was told the same and at that age I was just as cynical of this view as you were. I still find it hard to believe how something like that could be considered Shirq. Admittedly my knowledge of religious matters is very limited, but after reading a little about the different kinds of shirq, I find the Mullah's claim more and more untenable. May be some of our knowledgable users could shed some light on this.

al Furqaan
August 30, 2006, 09:29 PM
I was told the same and at that age I was just as cynical of this view as you were. I still find it hard to believe how something like that could be considered Shirq. Admittedly my knowledge of religious matters is very limited, but after reading a little about the different kinds of shirq, I find the Mullah's claim more and more untenable. May be some of our knowledgable users could shed some light on this.

well...if its a job, and they would be starving without the job, i suppose it is okay to skip fasting. but the days must be made up. and i doubt fasting could be forsaken the days they don't play. i've fasted and played stuff before as have my friends. i don't think it makes you any weaker than you already are.

and of course as tigers eye mentioned, hakeem olajuwon and shareef abdur-rahim actually achieved statistical boosts during ramadan. tho its one thing to play in a dome at 68 degrees F, and under the sun at 30 deg C.

whilst traveling, fasting can be made up later. but during home games, i suppose fasting could be postponed.

but i don't know to give a fatwa.

this is just my personal opinion.

Fazal
August 30, 2006, 10:18 PM
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bapzmania
August 30, 2006, 11:28 PM
No idea about Bangladeshi player's but there is no doubt that Yousuf youhana....ooops...Md.Yousuf... will do fasting whether he is playing or not playing

nasifkhan
August 30, 2006, 11:41 PM
Same goes for Saeed Anwar....As far as I know I think he was fasting in the Final match between Pak Vs Ind in the independence cup held in dhaka 1998. He score some 100+ runs in that match and he didnt come to field in the 2nd inns.

Rabz
August 31, 2006, 06:58 AM
According to my little knowledge, when someone is 50 miles away from his home city and he is intending to stay at the new place for less than 15 days, he is considered a traveller. So, as long a match is not played on the player's home city and he is not staying at that venue for continuous 15 days, he is not required to fast.

But yeah, no one can say for sure whether any of our cricketers will fast if he is required to do so during a match.

yes, as far as my little knowledge goes, that is correct. but if u go in a different city/place and have a house in that city, u r considered a local. by that standard, even those who dont live in Dhaka but got a house of thier own or renting, they would be considered local.

and if they r travelling to india, surely they r Musafir. they can skip that day of fasting but hv to make it up only 1 day for each day of non-fasting when available.

Also im not quite sure what's the fatwa on this. if you hv a job that is physically high demanding, can u or can u not skip the fasting?? may be our more knowledgable brothers/sisters can enlighten us.

and pls dont compare basketball with cricket. its like comparing apples with orange. both r sports for sure but demands different needs. basketball is only 80 mins ( im not sure) game under a closed roof air conditioned game while cricket is an open field under the sun 8 hr game.

TheWatcher
August 31, 2006, 07:49 AM
if you hv a job that is physically high demanding, can u or can u not skip the fasting??
Islam QA (http://www.islam-qa.com/index.php?ref=65803&ln=eng) has an answer to a similar question. Whether you take it or not is upto you.

rudro
August 31, 2006, 08:08 AM
Did we ever question whether players say their daily prayers when they are playing?

Saying prayers, fasting, providing Jakats, etc. are very personal religious affairs and it is a person's own choice. Please do not make it the subject of a discussion thread.

Stumped
August 31, 2006, 10:15 AM
they do not fast when they are playing. That would be murder. Even standing in the sun takes alot out of one person. They tend to make it up at another stage when there is no cricket on.

Sovik
August 31, 2006, 10:32 AM
it will be impossible for them to play while they are fasting

allrounder
August 31, 2006, 11:09 AM
If BD bats first then they will be bundled out fast before the 50 overs, and when they bowl the other team would reach the target fast before the 50 overs. So there is possible of BD players fasting if they get to bat first.

Haradhon
August 31, 2006, 07:44 PM
Can you not find any other topic to discuss?

BDMatrix
August 31, 2006, 10:01 PM
Can you not find any other topic to discuss?
Assalaamu 'alaikum,

It's not a bad topic to discuss after all. Atleast, we are now aware of the definition of a musafir (traveller). Thanks to brother TheWatcher for this post (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showpost.php?p=332951&postcount=11).

Just a little correction, though it's very minor: the local area is considered to be within a radius of 48 miles, instead of 50 miles. That's about 77 km.

A musafir is permitted to abstain from the fast of Ramadan although it is meritorious for him to fast if it isn't difficult. The qada' of the fasts missed will have to be made.
Source (http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1003&CATE=4)

So in any case, the players (or any traveller) would have to make up the missed fasts once they return to their locality.
And Allah knows best.
Assalaamu 'alaikum.