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sar2005
September 7, 2006, 06:58 AM
Now that we know the 14 members of our team, obviously next question comes who should be picked for first eleven. Let's share our thoughts -

Shahriar Nafees (vice-captain)
Mehrab Hossain jnr.
Aftab Ahmed,
Mohammad Ashraful,
Habibul Bashar (captain),
Saqibul Hasan,
Farhad Reza,
Mohammad Rafique,
Mashrafe Mortaza,
Khaled Mashud,
Shahadat Hossain,

Extra:
Rajin Saleh,
Abdur Razzak,
Syed Rasel,

By picking up Saqib, Farhad and Mehrab in the first eleven, I guess we will have lot more flexibility since all of them can bat and bowl. I believe it's a terrific side given that the most of the players perform to their potentials.

Rubu
September 7, 2006, 07:30 AM
I will actually replace MH with RS. If RS for the frist two, and induce some new blood in the 3rd given RS fails.

SS
September 7, 2006, 07:38 AM
AshraFool is making the selectors fool again. But we have no other "effective" options who can do magic innings once in a blue moon, that will give us a "most desirable" win.

sar2005
September 7, 2006, 07:39 AM
I will actually replace MH with RS. If RS for the frist two, and induce some new blood in the 3rd given RS fails.

I have a feeling that you are absoulutely spot on. Probably that would be the team selectors will make. This would be very straight forward. But the key question may arrise if Rajjak should be included or not. He actually performed very well in last afr tour. If the selectors want to see him in playing eleven, who should be dropped?

Miraz
September 7, 2006, 07:48 AM
Keeping the naure of sub-continent wicket in mind, you caanot afford to leave Razzak out of playing XI.

My Team with the batting order,

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Razzak
Rafiq
Mashrafee
Khaled Mashud
Shahadat

Rubu
September 7, 2006, 07:59 AM
sar2005, rajjak might be an option against zim or WI as they are not good with spin and playing in the subcontinent. but, he is a big no no against SL. But again, who would you replace for him? Rassel? I would not do that.

sadi
September 7, 2006, 08:07 AM
Rajin and Rasel sit. Only question is do you play Razzak or Mehrab. Razzak did well and deserve to be in the main eleven but that means we will have a not so good batting lineup. I think Mehrab, Sakib and Forhad is capable of sharing 20 overs. So here is my lineup:

SN
Ash
Aftab
Bashar
Mehrab
Sakib
Forhad
Rafique
Mashrafee
KM
Shahadat

oracle
September 7, 2006, 08:13 AM
Personally, Razzak should be in first 11! I thought his last match was quite a mature show.

sar2005
September 7, 2006, 08:13 AM
Keeping the naure of sub-continent wicket in mind, you caanot afford to leave Razzak out of playing XI.

My Team with the batting order,

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Razzak
Rafiq
Mashrafee
Khaled Mashud
Shahadat

So you are replacing Mehrab with Razzak? If you are concern about sub-continent wicket, they both are lef-arm bowler. But the real difference is in batting where you can place Mehrab at the top or middle. Whereas Rzzak is pretty good at tail. Considering our vulnerable batting display, I would rather go with an extra batsman (specially when it is a question of 3 left arm spinner in the side).

sadi
September 7, 2006, 08:16 AM
Thats the point. We will have Rafique and Sakib on the main eleven no matter what. So when its the matter of 3rd left arm spinner, I rather go with someone who can bat well.

Miraz
September 7, 2006, 08:21 AM
So you are replacing Mehrab with Razzak? If you are concern about sub-continent wicket, they both are lef-arm bowler. But the real difference is in batting where you can place Mehrab at the top or middle. Whereas Rzzak is pretty good at tail. Considering our volnerable batting display, I would rather go with an extra batsman (specially when it is a question of 3 left arm spinner in the side).

I am not taking Razzak in place of Mehrab. Razzak should be straight in the team. I am taking Ashraful as an opener in place of Mehrab. If you want to take mehrab in, he should be replaced with Sakib, not Razzak. You need good bowlers to restrict the oponents, Razzak is very effective ODI for his good economy rate.

akabir77
September 7, 2006, 08:23 AM
I think they will play only one pacer and two spinners so no place for shadat. Raazak should be in the team. He is in top form doing better than rafiq. but you can't leave out a proven player like rafiq so I don't see any other option but to leave out shadaat and play as many batmen as we can..
so my team would be:
1.SN
2.ASH
3.Aftab*
4.Mehrab*
5.Shumon
6.Sakib
7.Reza
8.Rafiq
9.Mash
10.Pilot
11.Razzak

* will swap places depending on who gets out first aftab for ash and mehrab for SN this way we will have a hitter in one side and a good op on the other for first 20 over.

Other then bowling from one end this team is supper but you have to give up something to get some thing. so if we have to get 250+ so that at least all the other bowlers get a chance to bowl i think this way would be the best. mind you we can't effort to leav out anybatsmen..

rudro
September 7, 2006, 08:32 AM
One.
My gut feeling is that Shahadat will be more expensive in India compared to Rasel. I will opt for Rasel's swing than Shahadat's speed.

Two.
With Mehrab, Sakib and Farhad in the team, we need only one of Rafique or Razzak. One day games heavily depends on batting and I will bet more on Rafique's batting than Razzak's.

Three.
I wish we had a KA (Kamran Akmal)-type WK in our side! That would have made our selection so much easier! For the last two years we are playing with one less batsman. Is there any other test side who does that? SL has KS, India has MS, Aus has AG! Send KM out to his pal JO and bring a batsman-WK (as opposed to WK-batsman) in the team!

Four.
Agree completely with SS
"AshraFool is making the selectors fool again. But we have no other "effective" options who can do magic innings once in a blue moon, that will give us a "most desirable" win."
He needs to be kicked out once we get a better option.

Until that happens here is my team:

SN
MJ
Aftab
Ash
Bashar
Sakib
Forhad
KM (Our next JO)
Rafique
Mashrafee
Rasel

sar2005
September 7, 2006, 08:39 AM
so my team would be:
1.SN
2.ASH
3.Aftab*
4.Mehrab*
5.Shumon
6.Sakib
7.Reza
8.Rafiq
9.Mash
10.Pilot
11.Razzak

* will swap places depending on who gets out first aftab for ash and mehrab for SN this way we will have a hitter in one side and a good op on the other for first 20 over.


Does not look bad at all :rolleyes: . In fact, it is a pretty strong side. Moreover good left/right combination all over the order. Only question is how Reza can bowl with the new ball. He does not look very confident with the new shiny cherry. Perhaps he will be belted by everyone and then we will immediately need to switch to Razzak :)

Tigers_eye
September 7, 2006, 09:01 AM
shomoshha. Batting weak. Too many SLAs. Agree with Miraz.

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Pilot
Rafique
Mash
Razzaq
Rasel

Mehrab gets his chance in the third match. He can replace anyone from Ash to Sakib. This is how the captain/coach/manager will go I believe.

Rabz
September 7, 2006, 09:05 AM
As discussed already, i reckon the main debacle is between Mehrab Jnr and Razzak.
It wud be really unfortunate on Raz's part to be left out. he has placed really good so far and deserves to be in the main xi.

on the other hand, Mehrab gives us an advantage of extra bowler.
There is also a question of Rajin. Having Rafiq, Razzak and Mehrab along with Sakib would be too much of lefty spinner.

Someone before suggested having one specialist seamer only. i reckon that would be suicidal. Reza is still upcoming, and his first stint with the fresh cherry wasnt a pleasant one.(guys, pls don take it otherwise :D ).

Well, im trying not to draw a conclusion here yet. we got almost a month to go before any real cricket, so looks like we'll be picking teams for quite a while.


I wish we had a KA type WK in our side! That would have made our selection so much easier! For the last two years we are playing with one less batsman. Is there any other test side who does that? SL has KS, India has MS, Aus has AG! Send KM out to his pal JO and bring a batsman-WK (as opposed to WK-batsman) in the team!

man, thank God we all r quite regulars on cricket here, or else your paragraph could be a real mind bogler for a starter of the game!:D

KA type WK, SL has KS, India has MS, Aus has AG. Send KM to JO.:p :p

they sound like more gun and ammo talk to me than players name.

TheWatcher
September 7, 2006, 10:12 AM
SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Pilot
Rafique
Mash
Razzaq
Rasel

Mehrab gets his chance in the third match. He can replace anyone from Ash to Sakib.
I would go for the same team, but I would swap batting positions of Shakib and Bashar.

Fazal
September 7, 2006, 10:16 AM
I don't want Ash and Aftab one after another, atleast now with their current form. Its a recipe for disaster at the begining of the innings.

Tigers_eye
September 7, 2006, 10:31 AM
...
Three.
I wish we had a KA (Kamran Akmal)-type WK in our side! That would have made our selection so much easier! For the last two years we are playing with one less batsman. Is there any other test side who does that? SL has KS, India has MS, Aus has AG! Send KM out to his pal JO and bring a batsman-WK (as opposed to WK-batsman) in the team! ...


Rudro bhai'er matha kharak hoiya gasey.
K Akmal:
Kammy in WI:
Pakistan in West Indies, 2005 [Series]
- 2 4 0 75 49 21 4 18.75 0 0 0

Kammy in Aus:
Pakistan in Australia, 2004/05 [Series]
Aus 3 6 0 77 47 24 4 12.83 0 0

Kammy in Eng:
Pakistan in England, 2006 [Series]
Eng 4 6 0 101 58 20 15 16.83 0 1 1

You still want Mr. Akmal?

sadi
September 7, 2006, 10:35 AM
I guess we should go with overall average instead of individual series. He averages 29 in each form of cricket which is not bad at all. I would pick him over Khaled Masud as a batsman anyday.

But kotha hoilo sopno jokon dekbo, boro deki na keno. How about Gillchrist or Sangakara? :)

Rabz
September 7, 2006, 10:36 AM
nice dig Tigers_Eye.

Why wish for KA when u can wish for AG?

after all, shopno dekhte to ar poisha lage na.

sar2005
September 7, 2006, 03:14 PM
I just got a feeling that these new generation BD cricketers are by far smarter than our players of old days. I first read the interview of SN in TC and now got this in a daily. Look into this link. Though you will not find it very impressive, it's quite okay indeed -

http://amardesh.u46.futurecrafts.com/sub_section.php?NewsID=56035&NewsType=bistarito

P.S. - Sorry, the link is in Bengali.

rudro
September 7, 2006, 03:43 PM
Rudro bhai'er matha kharak hoiya gasey.
K Akmal:
Kammy in WI:
Pakistan in West Indies, 2005 [Series]
- 2 4 0 75 49 21 4 18.75 0 0 0

Kammy in Aus:
Pakistan in Australia, 2004/05 [Series]
Aus 3 6 0 77 47 24 4 12.83 0 0

Kammy in Eng:
Pakistan in England, 2006 [Series]
Eng 4 6 0 101 58 20 15 16.83 0 1 1

You still want Mr. Akmal?
Yes, I do. Please see below:
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St

unfiltered
KM 120 1777 71* 21.93 0 7 - - - - 87 32
KA 48 913 124 29.45 3 0 - - - - 42 6
Last 20
KM 20 249 48* 24.90 0 0 - - - - 20 8
KA 20 446 109 34.30 2 0 - - - - 18 4

I could have wished for dhuni or gilly but considering the fact that most of our batsmen averages in the 20's, I asked for one who is in the 20's. By the way, Tigers_eye bhaia, I think you forgot to mention three important series - Pakistan in India, India in Pakistan and Pakistan in England.

The point is..I want a good batsman in the team who knows how to keep a little bit.

Fazal
September 7, 2006, 04:09 PM
The point is..I want a good batsman in the team who knows how to keep a little bit.

..... compared to a wicket-keeper who doesn't know (any more) how to bat a little?

Thats what you are saying?

nsd3
September 7, 2006, 04:59 PM
Main 11 -
Shahriar, Rajin, Aftab, Bashar, Ashraful, Saqib, Farhad, Pilot, Rafiq, Mashrafi, Rajib

Stand By 3 -
Top Order -Mehrab;
All rounder - Rajjak;
Pacer - Russel
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MarufH
September 7, 2006, 05:35 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Mehrab Hossain jnr.
Saqibul Hasan
Mohammad Ashraful
Habibul Bashar
Aftab Ahmed
Farhad Reza
Khaled Mashud
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafe Mortaza
Shahadat Hossain

this would be the best line up and best team I've so far dreamed of. bowling side might be little weak, but this team can pull out anything in batting (my opinion). I wouldn't send Aftab one down because we need a good player at six and reza at seven... I feel like that batting line up (6,7) is australia in 2003 WC with symonds and that other dude.. ;)

Sovik
September 7, 2006, 06:30 PM
Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh
Saqibul Hasan
Habibul Bashar / Mohammad Ashraful
Aftab Ahmed
Farhad Reza
Khaled Mashud
Abdur Razzak
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafe Mortaza
Shahadat Hossain/ Syed Rasel

al Furqaan
September 7, 2006, 09:07 PM
1) SN
2) ash
3) sakib
4) aftab
5) bashar
6) forhad
7) pilot
8) rafique
9) masri
10) razzak
11) rajib

in case of hard tracks:

swap rafiq for rasel...or possibly razzak for rasel (duh)

if ash fails:

mehrab opens

if other batsman fails:

mehrab in middle order

pretty simple...

and i hope we rotate our pacers a bit smartly this time...thats why we have 3 quality pacers rather than a tapash, a nazmul, and an anwar

Spitfire_x86
September 8, 2006, 03:32 AM
SN
Ashraful
Bashar/Aftab (depending on situation)
Sakib
Bashar/Aftab (depending on situation)
Farhad Reza
Pilot
Rafique
Razzak
Mashrafee
Shahadat or Rasel

Cricket Crazy
September 8, 2006, 03:55 AM
Omar dropped from Champs squad

Bangladesh opening batsman Javed Omar has been dropped from the squad named for the Champions Trophy in India next month, and has been replaced by the uncapped Mehrab Hossain Junior.

Bangladesh captain Habibul Bashar who is currently recovering from a broken thumb will captain the team.

PoorFan
September 8, 2006, 04:44 AM
To qualify for CT, we must have to win one match against SL or WI, which mean we must have to be able to score a good total ( 250+ perhaps ). In that sense we should play a maximum batting line up to win or compete ONE match out of TWO. So I prefer the following team as a best, though have some risk in bowling.

Shahriar Nafees
Mehrab Hossain jnr. ( bowl 5 overs of 10 )
Aftab Ahmed
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Saqibul Hasan ( bowl 5 overs of 10 )
Farhad Reza ( open bowling 5 overs with Mash if we pick Razzak )
Khaled Mashud
Mohammad Rafique ( bowl 10 overs )
Mashrafe Mortaza ( bowl 10 overs )
Razzak or Shahadat Hossain or Rassel ( bowl 10 overs )

fuzzy
September 8, 2006, 05:04 AM
SN
Ash
mehrab
Bashar
Sakib
aftab
Forhad
Rafique
Mashrafee
KM
Shahadat

i think aftabs shot selection isn't very good. he tries 2 play every ball onece
he gets in, that not a good idea. throws his wkt away as opener asraful goin 2 that most da time, guys can u imagine wats happenin here, wkt after wkt . he can't be compared 2 ponting, bcose that guy plays right ball does it well most the time they also have a back up martyn who can be both defensive and offensive. aftab can play symonds roll. thank you guys for creatin such a forum __________________

thebest
September 8, 2006, 05:24 AM
Our first game would be in Mohali, the fastest indian ground. But as we have very little chance on winning againest SL, we should target WI. Traditionaly they are weak againest spinners. The best performers on this ground are spinners. so we should make our attack spin base. Also it is a high scoring ground. In last match India chased 298 there. So it is better we have a batting line up extended to no 11.
As we have little chance of winning we should experiment on the second matchXI, to look at how they fare againest the better players of spin. Keeping this in mind, here is my XI

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
HB
Mehrab
Farhad
Rafiq
Mash
Rajjak
Pilot

Againest WI, we should open the attack by introducing spin in the second over. Rajjak already prove tht he could bowl at the begining againest the best(Ctg ODI, againest AussI). Mash and Rajjak could open. Followed by Rafiq, Sakib, Mehrab, Farhad even Ash.
Sakib, Mehrab, Ash and Farhad shld fill 20 ovrs. May be againest Sl, Aftab could also chip in because Mohali is the most pace friendly pitch in India. I am no way in favor of Farhad opening the attack. Because Gayle and co would just take away the game in 3 overs.

rudro
September 8, 2006, 07:58 AM
Our first game would be in Mohali, the fastest indian ground. But as we have very little chance on winning againest SL, we should target WI. Traditionaly they are weak againest spinners. The best performers on this ground are spinners. so we should make our attack spin base. Also it is a high scoring ground. In last match India chased 298 there. So it is better we have a batting line up extended to no 11.
As we have little chance of winning we should experiment on the second matchXI, to look at how they fare againest the better players of spin. Keeping this in mind, here is my XI

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
HB
Mehrab
Farhad
Rafiq
Mash
Rajjak
Pilot

Againest WI, we should open the attack by introducing spin in the second over. Rajjak already prove tht he could bowl at the begining againest the best(Ctg ODI, againest AussI). Mash and Rajjak could open. Followed by Rafiq, Sakib, Mehrab, Farhad even Ash.
Sakib, Mehrab, Ash and Farhad shld fill 20 ovrs. May be againest Sl, Aftab could also chip in because Mohali is the most pace friendly pitch in India. I am no way in favor of Farhad opening the attack. Because Gayle and co would just take away the game in 3 overs.
thebest, thanks for your excellent analysis. I completely agree with you. I hope the team management will think the same way! Email your thoughts to DAV/Hira

Tigers_eye
September 8, 2006, 08:50 AM
Yes, I do.

I could have wished for dhuni or gilly but considering the fact that most of our batsmen averages in the 20's, I asked for one who is in the 20's. By the way, Tigers_eye bhaia, I think you forgot to mention three important series - Pakistan in India, India in Pakistan and Pakistan in England.

The point is..I want a good batsman in the team who knows how to keep a little bit.
To me Akmal is a mediocre. Replacing Pilot with him would be no upgrade. Those were the tours outside the subcontinent that I mentioned. I'd rather have a Taibu or a Brandon Taylor. :) Ofcourse Dhoni, Gilchrist are better options but those come once in a life-time for a nation. I don't grade Akmal above Pilot. That's just my opinion.

pagol-chagol
September 8, 2006, 03:26 PM
I just got a feeling that these new generation BD cricketers are by far smarter than our players of old days. I first read the interview of SN in TC and now got this in a daily. Look into this link. Though you will not find it very impressive, it's quite okay indeed - If good interview turns you on you need to meet Mr.Ashraful. You don't have to wait too long. He will have some nice interviews coming up in tomorrow's newspaper on his birthday. Enjoy!

TheWatcher
September 8, 2006, 03:43 PM
I think Akmal will be very happy to see he still has a fan like Rudro even when some Paki supporters went to the extreme to make suggestions like this-

Time for Moin Khan or Rashid Latif? (http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?t=27816)

BangladeshFan
September 8, 2006, 05:01 PM
Indian pitches have early movement after that they slowly become spin friendly later in the day. but mostly low and predictable bounce and batsman paradise.

i would pick russel and mashrafi to take adv of early swing then bd's bunch of left arm spinners will be handy. i would prefer rajjak and rafiq with either sakib or mehrab. 3 LHS, 2 medium fast and 2 part time pacers should be enough. but Bd must bat well and put up a good score, then they would have a realistic chance of beating an opponent. if batting is not clicking we have to take the extra batsman(mehrab/sakib) dropping rajjak.

kalpurush
September 8, 2006, 06:20 PM
sar2005, rajjak might be an option against zim or WI as they are not good with spin and playing in the subcontinent. but, he is a big no no against SL. But again, who would you replace for him? Rassel? I would not do that.


:up: :up: :up:
Mehrab would replace Razzak against SL.

kalpurush
September 8, 2006, 06:32 PM
Our first game would be in Mohali, the fastest indian ground. But as we have very little chance on winning againest SL, we should target WI. Traditionaly they are weak againest spinners. The best performers on this ground are spinners. so we should make our attack spin base. Also it is a high scoring ground. In last match India chased 298 there. So it is better we have a batting line up extended to no 11.
As we have little chance of winning we should experiment on the second matchXI, to look at how they fare againest the better players of spin. Keeping this in mind, here is my XI

SN
Ash
Aftab
Sakib
HB
Mehrab
Farhad
Rafiq
Mash
Rajjak
Pilot

Againest WI, we should open the attack by introducing spin in the second over. Rajjak already prove tht he could bowl at the begining againest the best(Ctg ODI, againest AussI). Mash and Rajjak could open. Followed by Rafiq, Sakib, Mehrab, Farhad even Ash.
Sakib, Mehrab, Ash and Farhad shld fill 20 ovrs. May be againest Sl, Aftab could also chip in because Mohali is the most pace friendly pitch in India. I am no way in favor of Farhad opening the attack. Because Gayle and co would just take away the game in 3 overs.


:up:
Very nice thought in deed.:lol:

Tokyobreeze
September 8, 2006, 10:45 PM
I think no matter how able our spinners might be, captain or team management won't bring spinner at 2nd over.And, playing Ash and Aftab both at the top order brings the risk of early fall of both and tremendous pressure on the middle order as we have seen in recent days.So, even though it hurts, I would take Mehrab in the place of Razzaq.So the team stands -

SN
Ash
Aftab
Bashar
Mehrab
Farhad
Sakib
Rafiq
Mashrafi
Pilot
Rasel

I am taking Rasel cause his seam will be helpful and he seemed to be more economical than Shahadat, though less-aggressive.And, except Rasel (and umm..Pilot) everybody can bat in this team.Recent days, batting has been the biggest concern for us.If Ash falls very early, which is very probable, I will send Mehrab at one-down and bring Aftab late.

Flip Master Mick
September 9, 2006, 04:32 AM
i know most people will hate me for excluding rafique... nonetheless, here's my team...

Shahriar Nafees
Rajin Saleh (Mehrab Hussain in atleast one game)
Aftab Ahmed
Mohammed Ashraful
Habib-ul-Bashar
Farhad Reza (Only wish he can keep up his performance shown in Africa)
Saquib al-Hasan (Rafique in atleast one game out of respect)
Khaled Masud
Mashrafee Murtaza
Syed Rasel (Shahadat in atleast one game - wonder why he wasn't played in Kenya after his success in Zim)
Abdur Razzaq (He is no doubt our marquee ODI bowler at this time)


i would like to see saquib al-hasan instead of rafique because of sh's batting potential... rafique's bowling in ODIs is average(except for a 5-fer against Zim) to say the leaset which can be replicated by zillions of bangla SLAs... i have picked syed rasel instead of shahadat cuz of the conditions we are sure to face in north india... shahadat i would pick anyday over rasel in any other conditions... however, a bangla team without rafique is unthinkable. it'll probably cause the government to fall.

our selectors would probably pick rafique instead of s al-hasan. that's tolerable too. the 14 man team is a great selection. i am so glad that javed and kapali weren't picked. no pun intended... but for the longest i thought of them as affirmative action kids filling the urdu-speaking and hindu quotas.

Tokyobreeze
September 9, 2006, 10:10 AM
kids filling the urdu-speaking and hindu quotas.

What does that suppose to mean??:confused:

thebest
September 9, 2006, 08:04 PM
. i am so glad that javed and kapali weren't picked. no pun intended... but for the longest i thought of them as affirmative action kids filling the urdu-speaking and hindu quotas.
Could u please explain? JO does not deserve this. He give his body and soul for Bangladesh. This is deregotory and offensive.also making fun of the contribution they made for Bangladesh is unacceptable. What is your contribution to Bangladesh, from Bangla speaking muslim quota? From your post I understand you are highly literate (Vaser and Columbia alumni). How much you contributed.
And all this coming from one of the most Vocal JO critique.
He has done his part, but I do not believe for single second that he was filling urdu quota. Same as also true for Alok.

arafath79
September 10, 2006, 10:13 AM
My best XI :

i)Shahriar Nafees
ii)Ashraful/Mehrab jnr
iii)Aftab Ahmed
iv)Sakibul Hasan
v)Habibul Bashar
vi)Farhad Reza
vii)Mohammad Rafique
viii)Khaled MAshud
ix)Mashrafe Bin Mortaza
x)Abdur Razzaq
xi)Shahadat Hossain

Extra:
Rajin Saleh and Syed Rasel

arafath79
September 10, 2006, 10:14 AM
Now that we know the 14 members of our team, obviously next question comes who should be picked for first eleven. Let's share our thoughts -

Shahriar Nafees (vice-captain)
Mehrab Hossain jnr.
Aftab Ahmed,
Mohammad Ashraful,
Habibul Bashar (captain),
Saqibul Hasan,
Farhad Reza,
Mohammad Rafique,
Mashrafe Mortaza,
Khaled Mashud,
Shahadat Hossain,

Extra:
Rajin Saleh,
Abdur Razzak,
Syed Rasel,

By picking up Saqib, Farhad and Mehrab in the first eleven, I guess we will have lot more flexibility since all of them can bat and bowl. I believe it's a terrific side given that the most of the players perform to their potentials.

U have just kicked out Razzak that doesn't make any sense !!! :o

kalpurush
September 11, 2006, 12:07 AM
Could u please explain? JO does not deserve this. He give his body and soul for Bangladesh. This is deregotory and offensive.also making fun of the contribution they made for Bangladesh is unacceptable. What is your contribution to Bangladesh, from Bangla speaking muslim quota? From your post I understand you are highly literate (Vaser and Columbia alumni). How much you contributed.
And all this coming from one of the most Vocal JO critique.
He has done his part, but I do not believe for single second that he was filling urdu quota. Same as also true for Alok.


JO and Alok gave their best to our cricket. It's true they are out of form now, doesn't mean they are "porgacha!"
I truely share with you that they deserve due respect from us.

Rabz
September 11, 2006, 09:06 AM
i am so glad that javed and kapali weren't picked. no pun intended... but for the longest i thought of them as affirmative action kids filling the urdu-speaking and hindu quotas.

mate, would u care to explain to us what does that mean?
im quite disgusted to what i can make out of it.
hope im mistaken.

imran78
September 11, 2006, 07:49 PM
my team

S. Nafees
Rajin (mehrab against zim)
Aftab
Bashar
Ashraful
Sakib
Farhad
Pilot
Rafiq
Mash
Rasel

Flip Master Mick
September 11, 2006, 08:18 PM
to brother sydney and brother the best... please accept my apology if i unwittingly offended you for i was only kidding.

however, i wish life was as simple and pc as you may envisage. the existence of quotas in not alien to cricket. the indian board while selecting an outfit has to appear for hearings in front of their respective regional boards for omission of certain players. the west indian team is no different. i need not say much about south africa.

we are a secular nation and quotas have always been in place in all walks of life. i would also be hesistant to rule out political patronage in our selection process. we shouldn't be surprised if one such selection process does exist. nonetheless, i highly doubt that.

again, i apologize to all for my insensitive sarcasm.

Rabz
September 12, 2006, 11:10 AM
to brother sydney and brother the best... please accept my apology if i unwittingly offended you for i was only kidding.

however, i wish life was as simple and pc as you may envisage. the existence of quotas in not alien to cricket. the indian board while selecting an outfit has to appear for hearings in front of their respective regional boards for omission of certain players. the west indian team is no different. i need not say much about south africa.

we are a secular nation and quotas have always been in place in all walks of life. i would also be hesistant to rule out political patronage in our selection process. we shouldn't be surprised if one such selection process does exist. nonetheless, i highly doubt that.

again, i apologize to all for my insensitive sarcasm.

Brother Flip Master Mic, apology accepted. No hard feelings.

Your idea of quota system is right and is being used in few above mentioned countries, but not in BD. but mind you, those countries implement such strategy as they come from different countries/states/race groups.

But for us, we are just a small Dhaka-centric nation. All our activities, let it be political, social, cultural, business or sports, are Dhaka based. No matter where the player is born or grow up, they come to Dhaka to make a living. so the regional biasness is omitted, unlike India.

Now we all know WI is made up of different countries, so no surprise to see some quota system in thier selection process. And yes, we all know about SA too.

Even though we hv a lots of politics in the selection process in any sports in the country, i DO NOT think it involves issues like Hindus or minority groups, players local town(except he/she is from powerful area like Rahim of Bogra) or the so called "bihari- urdu speaking clan".

We used to hv lots of players of different religion in the team before and will be there in the future as well. but never ever there was a quota system for that.
Players like Atahar, Alok, Rajani(footballer) were all in the team of cuz of thier own merit, not cuz they belonged to any minority group.

fwullah
September 13, 2006, 09:39 AM
I am still doubtful whether it is the right choice to include so many new players in our side, no matter how good they have performed so far.

al Furqaan
September 13, 2006, 10:23 AM
is athar ali a minority??? is javed one too...i always wondered why he had an urdu name like 'javed'???

Spitfire_x86
September 13, 2006, 10:42 AM
Many people in Bangladesh have the name "Javed", and almost none of them can speak urdu.

akabir77
September 13, 2006, 11:35 AM
is athar ali a minority??? is javed one too...i always wondered why he had an urdu name like 'javed'???

And you never wondered why his name is GOLLA:confused: :o :yawn: :lol:

Rabz
September 13, 2006, 11:40 AM
And you never wondered why his name is GOLLA

is Javed an urdu name??:confused: :o didnt know that... i thought its just a Muslim name.
by the way, guys plz, he is NOT GOLLA. He is GULLU.
He had an akika and changed his name from golla to gullu quite a few years ago, guess back in 98 or something.:D

Fazal
September 13, 2006, 11:48 AM
by the way, guys plz, he is NOT GOLLA. He is GULLU.
He had an akika and changed his name from golla to gullu quite a few years ago, guess back in 98 or something.:D

yes I still remeber that! I thought it was 97.
Don't see the score-card see at his face. It has some Lallu-Gullu Allu-Allu bhab.

akabir77
September 13, 2006, 11:52 AM
is Javed an urdu name??:confused: :o didnt know that... i thought its just a Muslim name.
by the way, guys plz, he is NOT GOLLA. He is GULLU.
He had an akika and changed his name from golla to gullu quite a few years ago, guess back in 98 or something.:D

did you get invited to that party? Cause this is the first time I am hearing about any AKIKA.:p

Rabz
September 14, 2006, 03:37 AM
did you get invited to that party? Cause this is the first time I am hearing about any AKIKA.

Yes i was, and it was a damn good one,
Gullu ekta Gadha jobai kore nijer nam change korsilo...
Too bad that Gadha's soul could not fly all the way up to heaven, you know mal-nutritioned Bangladeshi Gadha, didnt have that much energy.
so the soul rested on Gullu's body, which resulted in more mishap with our Golla.

i thought you were also send an invitation card, damn the postman must have ate the letter.!!:p
I know Fazal was there.

thebest
September 14, 2006, 03:58 AM
is athar ali a minority??? is javed one too...i always wondered why he had an urdu name like 'javed'???
In the sense of Bengali not mother tongue, Atahar Ali, Akram Khan, Javed, Nafees Iqbal are minority. But AFAIK know Akram and Nafees is not fluent in Urdu. Akram's younger brother is my class mate. The only language he know is Chatgaiya. Though Nafees is fluent both in Bangla and English.

sar2005
September 28, 2006, 01:08 PM
I have to google this thread out again after today's match (an perhaps will continue untill CT starts). After observing the 1st practice match, perhaps the best 11 should be as below -

1. S. Nafis
2. R.Saleh/Ashraful
3. Aftab
4. Sakib,
5. Bashar(Capt)
6. Farhad
7. Mehrab jr(should be in playing 11 for his bowling)
8. Mashrafi (hope he will be available)
9. K Mashud,
10. Rafique,
11. Razzaque,

We don't need two strike bowler inside the team as we need an extra batsman. Let Reza and Mashrafi open the bowling attack. Then all about SLAs......we have four of those. On top of that aftab can try slow midium if requires.

But the bottom line is we MUST need extra batsman in the squad.
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sadi
September 28, 2006, 01:23 PM
The lineup looks good to me.

SMHasan
September 28, 2006, 08:23 PM
Whatever line up you choose the main point is we still don't know how to play cricket! yes, it is. One day or test cricket we are all the same.

rudro
September 28, 2006, 08:38 PM
But the bottom line is we MUST need extra batsman in the squad.
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Yes, we all know that! But the question is, even if we include 11 batsmen in the team, what would our total be?
87/7 aganst Bangladesh B. Assuming the same average,
12*11=132.
Oh, yesssssssss! we will be able to surpass our max score in CT history(131)!

roaring tigerz
September 29, 2006, 05:49 PM
Nafees
Ashraful
Mehrab
Shakib
Bashar
Aftab
Farhad
Mashud
Rafique
Mashrafee
Rasel

rudro
October 4, 2006, 08:55 AM
Bumping so that people can express their opinion in the light of first practice match:

Nafees
Mehrab
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Mashud
Rafique
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rasel

sar2005
October 4, 2006, 09:01 AM
After this recent decision of putting Ashraful in opening, I have not see him yet playing an ODI, but people have already started slaughtering him. Can we give him few chances to play as a opener.

Just a practice match against BD B and PCA xi can not be the determinating fact to throw him out of the squad. Probably Mehrab will still need to wait for a while and the squad will look like -

SN
MA
AA
SH
HB
FR
MM
MR
KM
AR
SR

Fazal
October 4, 2006, 09:21 AM
Bumping so that people can express their opinion in the light of first practice match:

Nafees
Mehrab
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Mashud
Rafique
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rasel

I like your team. Only that I would choose between Mashrafee and Shahadat based on who is 100% fit. I have my doubt if Mashrafee is 100% fit or not. The other thing is: in my team Masud will bat in #9 unless we have a batting collupse and need some one to hold the wicket in one end. With this current top 6, plus Rafique, Razzak and Mashrafee I don't see we will need that much of Mashud's 20 someting with a SR of 50.

cricket_dorshok
October 4, 2006, 09:58 AM
Bumping so that people can express their opinion in the light of first practice match:

Nafees
Mehrab
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Farhad
Mashud
Rafique
Razzak
Mashrafee
Rasel

Its my team too!

Mahir
October 4, 2006, 11:57 AM
after the game against PCB President XI, the first playing XI should be settled.

Nafees
Mehrab (Ash must be dropped down, if not left out)
Aftab
Sakib / Bashar
Bashar / Sakib
Ashraful (Farhad SHOULD be playing here, ideally)
Mashud
Rafique
Mashrafe
Razzak
Rasel (bring in Shahadat if the pitch is plain flat... Rasel might just get whacked around by the fearless Lankans)

12th : Rajin (cant overlook the best fielder in the team, hehe)

Fazal
October 5, 2006, 01:07 PM
This is what theDailyStar Says:

It is unlikely that left-handed batsman Mehrab Hossain will make his international debut on Saturday as the team management is yet to make up their mind about the final eleven.


The conflict of opinion is between picking Mehrab, a useful left-arm spinner, ahead of the proven one-day bowler Abdur Razzak to prolong the batting line-up, it was learned. Some didn't want to drop the established Razzak.

"We will meet tonight and discuss on whether we will go for four seamers or three," said Faruque.
Meanwhile, right-arm paceman Shahadat Hossain and batsman Rajin Saleh were out of team in the Wednesday's practice match but Faruque hinted that even Shahadat's name will come in the discussion.

Tigers_eye
October 5, 2006, 01:24 PM
What four seamers? What type of pitch is this? early 70's WIndian types? Why Faruque is bothering in this lineup issue? What is the role of KM, Coach and HB? Or is it Faruque replacing HB on decision making?

al Furqaan
October 5, 2006, 01:38 PM
What four seamers? What type of pitch is this? early 70's WIndian types? Why Faruque is bothering in this lineup issue? What is the role of KM, Coach and HB? Or is it Faruque replacing HB on decision making?

4 seamers as in 3 + forhad...we only have 3 sp. FBs in our 14...to be honest i favor playing all 3 FBs against SL, as rafiq and razzaq won't trouble them much.

Fazal
October 5, 2006, 01:44 PM
I think you are under estimating Razzak and over estimating Rafiq. Looks like Rafiq is loosing his edge a bit now a days and Razzak is proving people wrong. I know SL is not ZIM or KEN, and it will not be easy task for either of them against SL.

I am not a fan of Razzak, but I would hate to see Razzak out from the final 11 as a matter of principle. He was one of the top 5 performers and bright spot in last ZIM and KEN series.

sadi
October 5, 2006, 02:02 PM
Looks like Mehrab will be out of the main eleven and he can get into the team for the 2nd odi if either ash or razzak do bad in the first game.

Rubu
October 5, 2006, 02:10 PM
Opening with ash is a bad decision. I cannot agree to that. Why making a makeshift opener when we have a in form one in Jr. Secondly, ash is not doing good in his known position, what make you guys think that he can do good coming at a more difficult position?

Rajjak will get slammed against SL, they knows how to dominate spin, not just play. If Jr playing means Rajjak sitting out, then so it be. But it does not matter, all I want is Jr opening with Abir.

Miraz
October 5, 2006, 02:12 PM
Razzak should be in the team. He is a wonderful addition to BD bowling attack. IMO, BD should field the same elevn played against PCA XI.

Nasif
October 5, 2006, 02:15 PM
Added a poll, now everyone can vote and we can see the players by popular demand ;)

SS
October 5, 2006, 02:26 PM
It will be a huge prob for bd bowlers when they will be bowling SL. All their batsmen are really good against our medium pace bowlers and SLA spinners.As our medium pacers lack firepire and our SLAs are very predictable, they will score tons.
WI in superb form and their top order will go for kill against our pacers and then spinners.

Murad
October 5, 2006, 03:35 PM
hey how come my post has been deleted??

sunniath
October 5, 2006, 03:41 PM
rajin has to be the automatic selection.mehrab should only be in the side only if rajin or ash fails in the first two games.if mehrab has to be included,then ash should be dropped not rajin.

Fazal
October 5, 2006, 04:08 PM
Ha Ha ... just one vote for Rajin so far? Even Rubu betrayed Rajin. Not good ... not good.

Omio
October 5, 2006, 04:16 PM
I dont support Ash as a opener...
he is better in Middle order..

sar2005
October 5, 2006, 04:25 PM
Added a poll, now everyone can vote and we can see the players by popular demand ;)

Great stuff!! Thanks Admin!!!

nobody
October 5, 2006, 11:45 PM
It will be a huge prob for bd bowlers when they will be bowling SL. All their batsmen are really good against our medium pace bowlers and SLA spinners.As our medium pacers lack firepire and our SLAs are very predictable, they will score tons.
WI in superb form and their top order will go for kill against our pacers and then spinners.

:timeout: SS, for GOD'S sake start seeing "Glass half full not half empty". It is getting pretty annoying to read your post. Did not you predict this last time also. U predicted that Tikolo would do this and that. I am not saying that we would win. But if we lose, our batters would lose, not the bowler. They can compete with the best. Rajjak and Rafiq are far better bowler than their stat suggest. because they do not have the luxury to bowl againest the opposition with enough run in the board.

kalpurush
October 6, 2006, 01:04 AM
According to Daily Star, the think tanks are planning to drop Mehrab and going for Razzak. The decision would be finalized tonight. Therefore, Ashraful is going to play for sure! Kopal pora holo...Rajin ebong Sahadat!!

PoorFan
October 6, 2006, 01:24 AM
According to Daily Star, the think tanks are planning to drop Mehrab and going for Razzak. The decision would be finalized tonight. Therefore, Ashraful is going to play for sure! Kopal pora holo...Rajin ebong Sahadat!!
Hmmm ... cant blame them, seems to me they are doing their best. Cant put a 'debuter' Mehrab for open in a crucial match against SL, cant trust on Rajin too ... pretty tough decision I say.

sar2005
October 6, 2006, 04:32 AM
Poll shows Rajin, rajib and Mehrab should be sitting out, which I believe very fare enough.

By the way, is not it a bit contrary with other thread we have on Ashraful (assuming same people voted for both the poll)? In that thread 50% people want ash to be dropped.

nmhimal
October 6, 2006, 04:58 AM
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kaisermatin
October 6, 2006, 05:28 AM
I would leave Ash out if he does not perform against SL

Rabz
October 6, 2006, 06:30 AM
Interesting enough, out of 27 votes so far, only SN, Mashrafee and Aftab got the full 100% votes.
Standing next in the poll is our captain Bashar with 26 votes, along with Pilot
Even Rafiq got ONLY 25 votes.

Makes me wonder who would wanna keep Bashar or Rafiq out of the team?
or just a mistake while voting.......

sar2005
October 6, 2006, 09:13 AM
Interesting enough, out of 27 votes so far, only SN, Mashrafee and Aftab got the full 100% votes.
Standing next in the poll is our captain Bashar with 26 votes, along with Pilot
Even Rafiq got ONLY 25 votes.

Makes me wonder who would wanna keep Bashar or Rafiq out of the team?
or just a mistake while voting.......


Good point. Looks like Fazal :p does not want Bashar in the team.
I hope it was a mistake unless there is any explanation from him.

arafath79
October 6, 2006, 09:14 AM
My best XI :

i)S Nafees
ii)Ashraful/Mehrab(if Ashra-fool failed)
iii)Aftab Ahmed
iv)Habibul Bashar
v)Saqibul Hasan
vi)Farhad Reza
vii)Khaled Mashud/Rafique
viii)Mashrafe Mortaza
ix)Rafique/Mashud
x)Abdur Razzaq
xi)Syed Rasel

12th man:
Rajin
Shahadat

Ahmed_B
October 6, 2006, 09:18 AM
Update on playing 11:
TV reports say that Rajin & Mehrab Jr. has been left out of the Squad for tomorrow's match. That leaves 12 men for tomorrow.. and the final 11 will be declared before toss. It will probably be a choice between Shahadat vs. Rajjak depending on pitch conditions.

PoorFan
October 6, 2006, 09:27 AM
Looks good to me so far.

Miraz
October 6, 2006, 09:31 AM
Sensible decision from the team management. If the pitch looks green, I would prefer Shahadat over Razzak.

If its a typical sub-continent wicket, Razzak should get the nod.

sar2005
October 6, 2006, 09:35 AM
But the only question is, are we really capable to read the type of wicket?
And did we really do that ever correctly?