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Miraz
September 14, 2006, 07:42 PM
Team management is serious about playing Ashraful as opener in the Champions Trophy and ultimately make him a permanent partner of Shahriar Nafees.

Detail from todays Amar Desh (http://amardesh.u46.futurecrafts.com/sub_section.php?NewsID=57801&NewsType=bistarito)

IMO, this is a good move and I hope Ash will cement his place as an opener otherwise it will be difficult for him to retain his place in the national side.

baisab
September 14, 2006, 08:03 PM
This is a win-win situation for Ash, this way he can do his Afridi-like batting and wont have to worry about losing his wicket, because the rest of the batting line up will still be available, so wont be much pressure even if he does. (Ash Mentality)

Or maybe like Rajin, putting him in the opening spot may make him more responsible and he may finally get some runs.

Either way im not sure wether this is a good or bad thing, id say lets give him a go and let him show us what he can do as an opener.

al Furqaan
September 14, 2006, 08:52 PM
i agree with baisab...less pressure. plus the most talented batsman gets a chance to play as many overs as possible

kalpurush
September 14, 2006, 09:20 PM
i agree with baisab...less pressure. plus the most talented batsman gets a chance to play as many overs as possible

Most talented batsman!:D I heard that he keeps his talent in the "rest room" while batting in the field!!;)

TheWatcher
September 14, 2006, 09:57 PM
Less pressure !!! I think Ash only got two matches to prove his worth. If he keeps failing, Mehrab should be brought in the team in his place in the match against Zimbabwe.

insideedge
September 14, 2006, 10:22 PM
If he is as vulnerable to new ball as his other colleagues then it will be suicidal. He can at least score runs when the ball gets older. With all his "talent", he is not an Afridi.

Tokyobreeze
September 14, 2006, 10:48 PM
I personally think it's a good move.Specially for the team.As Ash-Fool has already been tried in so many different positions and almost everywhere he proved his grand irresponsibility.Send him to Open with SN means a better combination to me.SN can play safe and rotate the strike and if Ash-Fool plays little sensibly by only hitting loose balls, we can definitely have a good start.Lets see how it goes in CT.

Rabz
September 14, 2006, 11:03 PM
well, good or bad, i think this is the last resort for us. after all, he has been tried in all other possible batting line-up before, including opening.
Personally, i suppor the move. it also gives a lefty-righty combination for our opening pair. hopefully Ash can go on with his business of dashing with SN achors the innings and makes a steady progress.

RazabQ
September 15, 2006, 12:48 AM
And given the license to just hit ... at that position a cameo of 20-30 interspersed with the occasional big innings would be perfect. This is what Australia gets from Gillie and India from Virru. If Ash's hitting then SN will not feel the urge to play low % shots. And with the fielders in close, Ash will have to play in the V and pull and not try some of the cheeky stuff he tends to do when the field is spread out. With the powerplay on, his hit or miss style works best as even mishits will go for runs. For middle order strike rotation we should have Bashar and Sakib and for late innings pyrotechnics Aftab & Forhad.

sadi
September 15, 2006, 08:16 AM
I guess its the last option we got. Ash should be the opener. Do or die. Perform or get out. He should get some chances though. Preferably more than two. Get him few matches to get used to it and if his inconsistency continues, we have to move on. But it is an exciting thing to see him open. Go for it, its great to see Bangladesh team trying to be positive.

rudro
September 15, 2006, 08:22 AM
If Ash is in the first eleven (which he shouldn't be based on his form), he should open. I agree totally with al-furqan:

This is a win-win situation for Ash, this way he can do his Afridi-like batting and wont have to worry about losing his wicket, because the rest of the batting line up will still be available, so wont be much pressure even if he does. (Ash Mentality)

Or maybe like Rajin, putting him in the opening spot may make him more responsible and he may finally get some runs.

Either way im not sure wether this is a good or bad thing, id say lets give him a go and let him show us what he can do as an opener.
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rudro
September 15, 2006, 08:29 AM
Just borrowed this quote from another thread:

Originally Posted by Tokyobreeze
Specially when the dream involves Ash-Fool who will convert all our dreams to Ash and will make us look like Fools.

He is really a gamble in any position. But opening with him gives us more chances, thats it!

Hatebreed
September 15, 2006, 08:42 AM
This is a great move, at least he can't do any worse as an opener than Rajin has done recently + I do agree there will be less pressure which should allow him to play his natural game. Now we can only hope he'll do that..

Fazal
September 15, 2006, 09:03 AM
i agree with baisab...less pressure. plus the most talented batsman gets a chance to play as many overs as possible

So you are saying our most talented batsman was not getting enough overs to prove his worth? Are you on something or what?:lol:

I thought one over was enough to prove his worth, as now a days he is very frugal in that aspect, never waste the 2nd over anymore. Hand it over to the other bastman to prove their worth.

pagol-chagol
September 15, 2006, 09:14 AM
And given the license to just hit ... at that position a cameo of 20-30 interspersed with the occasional big innings would be perfect. This is what Australia gets from Gillie and India from Virru. If Ash's hitting then SN will not feel the urge to play low % shots. And with the fielders in close, Ash will have to play in the V and pull and not try some of the cheeky stuff he tends to do when the field is spread out. With the powerplay on, his hit or miss style works best as even mishits will go for runs. For middle order strike rotation we should have Bashar and Sakib and for late innings pyrotechnics Aftab & Forhad. Are you saying, in the best case scenario for Ash, he can't play in the BD team when/if the power play rules are eliminated by ICC?

Tigers_eye
September 15, 2006, 09:16 AM
The notion of playing his natural game is all bull to me. If he can't adjust his game with the pitch, now the new ball (swings), his faults will glare more. This move will buy some time for Mehrab Jr. He will get accustomed playing with the big boys by coming in late. He or Sakib will take over from the Rainhill hero sooner or later.

rudro
September 15, 2006, 09:21 AM
He or Sakib will take over from the Rainhill hero sooner or later.
I trust your prediction. But as long as he is in the team, where would you like to play him? When he is vulnerable, he is vulnerable to anything - swing, spin, seam, name it! When his (and our) luck favors, he can play all sorts of balls. I bet you will agree that we have better chances with him as an openner.

BangladeshFan
September 15, 2006, 09:49 AM
this is the position most suited for at the moment. bd now got some middle order batsman who can rotate the strike and hold their own. so ashraful should be opening....

tendu started to open when he was about the same age ash is now. after that his average jumped up. even though ash is not a tendu but he wants to follow him. one of the thing tendu did, he always took some time to have a look at the pitch and bowlers before let go. ash should try to do the same. if he can survive the restricted overs he should put his head down and target a big innings. its all a confidence thing, if he can get some runs under his belt, bowlers will not like to bowl to him.

rudro
September 15, 2006, 09:55 AM
one of the thing tendu did, he always took some time to have a look at the pitch and bowlers before let go. ash should try to do the same.
And who is going to tell him that!

Fazal
September 15, 2006, 10:06 AM
Hai hai abar tendu-ke neyee Tana Tani?

Kothai Liaqot Ali are kothai Jutar kali.

Tigers_eye
September 15, 2006, 10:13 AM
I'd be happy if Ash could score 141 in 3 qualifying matches and stay at wicket in total of 50 overs.

Rudro bhai,
Vegus baby. Your betting is a sure shot.

akabir77
September 15, 2006, 10:17 AM
if ash stays 50 over bd will score 400 and we all know that never going to happen...

Tigers_eye
September 15, 2006, 10:20 AM
if ash stays 50 over bd will score 400 and we all know that never going to happen...
I meant in total of 50 overs in three games. not in one game.

al Furqaan
September 15, 2006, 11:27 AM
ash is not doing it in the middle overs...so instead of putting him there opening is the best option LEFT.

i applaud the BCB for having the balls to make such a move...at this point the only thing that will change ash, is that fact that he is facing a permenant axing, not just for a game or 2, or at worst a whole series.

we have forhad, sakib, and mehrab to thank IF ash really learns something.

SS
September 15, 2006, 03:00 PM
we have forhad, sakib, and mehrab to thank IF ash really learns something.

I thought Golla,Rajin,Kapali,Tushar, all others competing for his place. Hint hint same category players all together going for one place. I think nothing will work unless we know how to play pace bowling in a pace friendly pitch. Our batsmen hardly can play and on the other hand they also suck in spin. What good are they besides throwing wickets.

shovon13
September 15, 2006, 03:28 PM
why dont we just stop playing cricket...eh ss bhai?

Zobair
September 15, 2006, 07:34 PM
Why do this when you have two specialist openers?

SMHasan
September 15, 2006, 08:39 PM
And given the license to just hit ... at that position a cameo of 20-30 interspersed with the occasional big innings would be perfect. This is what Australia gets from Gillie and India from Virru. If Ash's hitting then SN will not feel the urge to play low % shots. And with the fielders in close, Ash will have to play in the V and pull and not try some of the cheeky stuff he tends to do when the field is spread out. With the powerplay on, his hit or miss style works best as even mishits will go for runs. For middle order strike rotation we should have Bashar and Sakib and for late innings pyrotechnics Aftab & Forhad.

Totally agree with you Razab bhai.

RazabQ
September 15, 2006, 11:55 PM
Are you saying, in the best case scenario for Ash, he can't play in the BD team when/if the power play rules are eliminated by ICC?Dunno what you mean by a best case scenario, but I suppose if you take my argument to its extreme, then yes, with Ash's current tendency to either shell it or get into a shell, he'd have even less of a value if ODIs were not to have Powerplay/fielding restrictions. But we know fielding restrictions are not going away. They are being increased in fact. Because fielding restrictions force risk taking. And it tips the balance of the game from the nurdlers to the whackers.

Miraz
September 20, 2006, 03:43 PM
According to todays Amar Desh, team management has given the Licence of his own style batting in coming Champions trophy and most probably as opener.

They have offered Ashraful any batting position he wants with the preference as an opener.

Full report (http://amardesh.u46.futurecrafts.com/sub_section.php?NewsID=59372&NewsType=bistarito)

Fazal
September 20, 2006, 03:58 PM
http://img332.imageshack.us/img332/9581/ashrafulbe6.png
Ha Ha.... very funny...

Tigers_eye
September 20, 2006, 04:10 PM
ami chai wahid sir'er hatey ekta beth dhoraiye ditey.

Miraz
September 20, 2006, 04:29 PM
ami chai wahid sir'er hatey ekta beth dhoraiye ditey.

[বাংলা]হাতে শুধু বেত দিলে হবেনা, সময়মত ও জায়গামত মারার লাইসেন্সও দিতে হবে :) [/বাংলা]

betaar
September 20, 2006, 04:50 PM
It’s a good move for the following reasons:

He is replacing a player (JO) who had no contribution for a long time so Ashraful should have no pressure.
He himself is not proving his worth to be included in the team, considering reason #1 and the fact that he will be in the best 11 no matter what, it’s a bonus for us if he clicks.
In the sub-continental flat pitch he should be able to play with natural aggression without fighting the exaggerated swing (though Vaas could give him a scare) which should increase his chance of giving us a good start and give himself a big score.
This will give Mehrab Jr. (if included in the best 11) a safer spot in the middle to get international exposure.
It will also give us left-right combo at the beginning which should create some trouble for the opponents.

cricman
September 20, 2006, 06:23 PM
I think it's a good move even if he scores 20 odd on average. I believe he'll average more in mid 30's as an opener. I see more opening partnerships of 50 w/ SN and Ash. Against Kenya the duo put up 38 in 6 overs which imo is better than what Rajin or Jo would provide since we'd reach 38 by the 10th over with a wicket down anyway.

fuzzy
September 20, 2006, 07:00 PM
he 1 of da best he should be opening

al Furqaan
September 20, 2006, 10:36 PM
According to todays Amar Desh, team management has given the Licence of his own style batting in coming Champions trophy and most probably as opener.

They have offered Ashraful any batting position he wants with the preference as an opener.

Full report (http://amardesh.u46.futurecrafts.com/sub_section.php?NewsID=59372&NewsType=bistarito)

i guess ur post title could be read "license to kill ashraful's career"

Tokyobreeze
September 20, 2006, 11:38 PM
দলে যখন আছে ছাই(Ash),
ওপেন করাতে সমস্যা কি ভাই?

Sorry..Bad kobita.may be Ash will give - বাড়া ভাতে ছাই as usually to our hopes, still I think opening is the best (or may be last) slot available for him at the moment.

Rabz
September 21, 2006, 12:41 AM
Hope he can finally make a mark on the opener slot.
Plus a lefty/righty combination would be great as well.
But guess no point wondering what's gonna happen with him, we'll all hv to wait and see.
Only God knows better.

Nasif
September 21, 2006, 12:52 AM
[বাংলা]যতদূর স্মরণ করতে পারি, এ্যাশ আগেও ওপেন করেছিলো; এবং যথারীতি কোন ব্যাটিং ঝড় দেখা যায় নি। এবার এর ব্যতিক্রম হবে আশা করা বৃথা। দেখা যাক, আমার অবতারটা এই টুরনামেন্টের পর পরিবর্তন করতে হয় কি না![/বাংলা]

Tokyobreeze
September 21, 2006, 01:34 AM
[বাংলা] দেখা যাক, আমার অবতারটা এই টুরনামেন্টের পর পরিবর্তন করতে হয় কি না![/বাংলা]

Hmm..May be in that case u might consider setting - Ash is Ash(ছাই).

RazabQ
September 21, 2006, 03:26 AM
Since our opening pair has been failing anyway, Ash should be told to go all out and given a run for more than 1-5 matches as an opener

1234
September 21, 2006, 05:42 AM
Since our opening pair has been failing anyway, Ash should be told to go all out and given a run for more than 1-5 matches as an opener

BRO, that is the best way u can describe and handle the proposal of Asraful opening the batting line up, well said!!!!

Sam
September 21, 2006, 09:07 AM
I think it is the last chance for him to prove his inclusion in the National Team. It should be a "Do or Die" for him.

SS
September 21, 2006, 09:31 AM
Even Ash sucks in the CT, he will be there..same way sujon was there. We have no substitute and our selectors and board can't even find anyone in all these years. Look at them, Zimb is playing SA and our organizers could not organize a tournament even with A teams of lanka,or our selfish neighbors pak and ind. If they can't do it why they can't send them to Eng or Aus. I guess they are running short in cash as they spended it in shopping.

khalifa
September 21, 2006, 11:22 AM
Based on this 'Amar Desh' reort (LinK) (http://amardesh.u46.futurecrafts.com/detail_news_index.php?NewsID=59372&NewsType=bistarito&SectionID=home), Ash has given a 'License to kill', if played in the opening slot.

I just wish it doesn't turn out to be a "license to be killed(prematurely)" :D

Tigers_eye
September 21, 2006, 02:37 PM
[বাংলা]যতদূর স্মরণ করতে পারি, এ্যাশ আগেও ওপেন করেছিলো; এবং যথারীতি কোন ব্যাটিং ঝড় দেখা যায় নি। এবার এর ব্যতিক্রম হবে আশা করা বৃথা। দেখা যাক, আমার অবতারটা এই টুরনামেন্টের পর পরিবর্তন করতে হয় কি না![/বাংলা]
Office has asked us to uninstall all softwares so had to type the following in benglish.

For you:
Plan 1: Gaye tel makhao. [If ash fails]

Plan 2: pani dubano dim amra khai na. shada rosh dubano misti chai Eid'er diney. [If ash clicks]

http://www.bhawarchi.com/images/rosogola.jpg

eta ki monay porey??

Nasif
September 21, 2006, 02:41 PM
Office has asked us to uninstall all softwares so had to type the following in benglish.

For you:
Plan 1: Gaye tel makhao. [If ash fails]

Plan 2: pani dubano dim amra khai na. shada rosh dubano misti chai Eid'er diney. [If ash clicks]

http://www.bhawarchi.com/images/rosogola.jpg

eta ki monay porey??
hahaha... yep remembered. That was the mishty pic I posted for my mama's inclusion in national team for football (gotta look for that thread). hahaha :p