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Ahmed_B
December 15, 2006, 09:55 AM
During the matches played by BD team in the year 2006, a change in attitude in the team has surfaced very clearly which puts the current status of the Tigers ahead of any time in the past. This change is more in their mindset rather than squad-combination or individual skills. The clear difference they have started to show is their change in approach towards the game.

For some time now, the Bangladesh team has been coming up with expected results on a consistent basis. For example, when they are playing a weaker team, they are not only winning… they are winning with margins which everyone expect them to attain. They are beating Associate teams convincingly and doing that even against Zimbabwe. And again, when they are playing against Stronger Test Nations, they are consistently showing good spirits and strong fights upto the level that everyone expect them to be on.

Its not that they are not stumbling in some matches… but the rate for that has significantly gone down. When there is a 5 match series for BD against weaker team.. they at best seem to get 1 close match and the others remain with clear differences. Likewise… while playing stronger teams… they struggle in just 1 or 2 matches… but in the rests, the team shows very promising fighting spirit.

This year 2006 has been a good one for BD to be marked as a period of consistency as a team. There are some tough matches coming ahead in 2007... but it appears that the tigers might start showing a very different approach and some good results soon in those games. Best of luck! :up:

baisab
December 15, 2006, 10:34 AM
Nice one, well put.

kaisermatin
December 15, 2006, 10:38 AM
few things noticeable:

1. they are hesitant to bat first even with weaker teams
2. they never could make 300+ runs
3. batting is still inconsistent
4. bowling is good
5. fielding still needs improvement

Pundit
December 15, 2006, 10:40 AM
Well said. Hopefully its not a false alarm. Lets also see where playing so many "weaker" teams takes us.

sadi
December 15, 2006, 10:42 AM
Definately they deserve some credit for doing what they are supposed to do. I love how Bangladesh team is thinking one game at a time and stop being complicent. Dav and Hablu deserve some credit.

Fazal
December 15, 2006, 10:53 AM
The Selectors also deserves some credit for (at last) bringing some much needed new blood (with new mentality) and making sure that in almost every position there is some sort of competetion. It created a wake up call for all oldies.

akabir77
December 15, 2006, 11:13 AM
I love these attitude and pictures:

http://www.tigercricket.com/tigerimgviews.aspx?columnID=79

I love how mushfiq was laughing without understanding the situation and then every body was serious as they realize that the batsman got a bloody head...

poor scoot needs to learn quickly that u don't go to a test playing country and say we r here to win. you say what bd normally say we r here to get experience...

AsifTheManRahman
December 15, 2006, 11:19 AM
i hope the eendians and sri lankans see those pictures and tremble in fear when they play us on a bouncy surface in the west indies.

btw, khub na koisili jitbi? dise to matha fatay...no sympathy for complacent, big-mouthed losers.

layperson
December 15, 2006, 11:32 AM
btw, khub na koisili jitbi? dise to matha fatay...no sympathy for complacent, big-mouthed losers.

:floor: :floor: In my imagination a pissed off child is shouting that out to the scotts.

betaar
December 15, 2006, 11:42 AM
What a way to get a wicket, a fast bowler's dream:
"A dazed Watson dropped to the pitch and his bat fell on the stumps to dislodge the bails (5/2 in 2.6 overs)."

Mohiul
December 15, 2006, 12:08 PM
nice piece of work, moderator

nasifkhan
December 15, 2006, 12:25 PM
The Selectors also deserves some credit for (at last) bringing some much needed new blood (with new mentality) and making sure that in almost every position there is some sort of competetion. It created a wake up call for all oldies.
good point fazal bhai..... we should give equal credit to the selector for this attitude change....

Spitfire_x86
December 15, 2006, 01:23 PM
few things noticeable:

1. they are hesitant to bat first even with weaker teams
2. they never could make 300+ runs
3. batting is still inconsistent
4. bowling is good
5. fielding still needs improvement
1. Because they know their real ability
2. 300? They can't even make 250.
3. no change in 2006

Since Natwest series 2005, our performance has been ordinary to poor in all ODIs against big teams (except the match we won against Srilanka)

Farhad
December 15, 2006, 03:24 PM
1. Because they know their real ability
2. 300? They can't even make 250.
3. no change in 2006

Since Natwest series 2005, our performance has been ordinary to poor in all ODIs against big teams (except the match we won against Srilanka)

Ordinary to poor??Tell me, i know your trying not to get your hopes up after this series, and i respect that, but still, give me a series where they failed to show at least one game where they showed progress.
LOVE how their attitudes changed...MUCH more professional. MAN!!Those scots must have the cheapest helmets around! Im not sure whether it went through the visor...The helmet seems perfectly fine on the floor in the first pic.......

TheWatcher
December 15, 2006, 03:59 PM
It is nice to see Bangladesh can regularly beat weaker teams on home condition without too many hiccups nowadays. But, like Spitty, our national team's ODI performences against big teams this year, except that one match against SL, was below my expectation level.

Also, we are still not sure how our team will fare if those weaker teams (especially Ireland, Scotland, or Netherlands) get us in their own backyards.

Spitfire_x86
December 15, 2006, 04:03 PM
Ordinary to poor??Tell me, i know your trying not to get your hopes up after this series, and i respect that, but still, give me a series where they failed to show at least one game where they showed progress.
LOVE how their attitudes changed...MUCH more professional. MAN!!Those scots must have the cheapest helmets around! Im not sure whether it went through the visor...The helmet seems perfectly fine on the floor in the first pic.......
see yourself (http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=team;team=BDESH;class=oditeam;filter=adva nced;opposition=0;notopposition=0;homeaway=0;conti nent=0;country=0;notcountry=ZIM;groundid=0;season= 0;startdefault=1986-03-31;start=2005-08-01;decade=0;enddefault=2006-12-15;end=2006-12-15;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;followon=0;resu lt=0;seriesresult=lost;captainid=0;recent=;viewtyp e=list;runslow=;runshigh=;wicketslow=;wicketshigh= ;ballslow=;ballshigh=;bpo=0;overslow=;overshigh=;b atevent=0;conclow=;conchigh=;takenlow=;takenhigh=; ballsbowledlow=;ballsbowledhigh=;bpobowled=;oversb owledlow=;oversbowledhigh=;bowlevent=0;submit=1;.c gifields=viewtype)

Srilanka ODI series (away)
1st ODI - Poor
2nd ODI - Poor
3rd ODI - Disaster

Srilanka ODI series (home)
1st ODI - Disaster
2nd ODI - everyone knows
3rd ODI - Poor + Ordinary

Australia ODI series (home)
1st ODI - Ordinary/Good
2nd ODI - Poor
3rd ODI - Disaster

ICC Champions Trophy
vs SL - Ordinary/Poor
vs WI - Poor

akabir77
December 15, 2006, 04:05 PM
at least I am confident that nothing like WC03 will happen this time around. On top if gangully and co sees the bloody photo we might be able to beat them too.

Spitfire_x86
December 15, 2006, 04:28 PM
at least I am confident that nothing like WC03 will happen this time around. On top if gangully and co sees the bloody photo we might be able to beat them too.
This time if we get humiliated again, then it will be limited to 3 matches unlike last World cup where we had to play 6 matches. And since we're a confident side against minnows, hopefully nothing bad will happen against Bermuda.

ICC has actually done a good thing. They're letting the minnows and associates participate in the World Cup, but reduced it to a single round quadrangular tournament for them.

Farhad
December 15, 2006, 07:16 PM
see yourself (http://stats.cricinfo.com/guru?sdb=team;team=BDESH;class=oditeam;filter=adva nced;opposition=0;notopposition=0;homeaway=0;conti nent=0;country=0;notcountry=ZIM;groundid=0;season= 0;startdefault=1986-03-31;start=2005-08-01;decade=0;enddefault=2006-12-15;end=2006-12-15;tourneyid=0;finals=0;daynight=0;toss=0;schedule dovers=0;scheduleddays=0;innings=0;followon=0;resu lt=0;seriesresult=lost;captainid=0;recent=;viewtyp e=list;runslow=;runshigh=;wicketslow=;wicketshigh= ;ballslow=;ballshigh=;bpo=0;overslow=;overshigh=;b atevent=0;conclow=;conchigh=;takenlow=;takenhigh=; ballsbowledlow=;ballsbowledhigh=;bpobowled=;oversb owledlow=;oversbowledhigh=;bowlevent=0;submit=1;.c gifields=viewtype)

Srilanka ODI series (away)
1st ODI - Poor
2nd ODI - Poor
3rd ODI - Disaster

Srilanka ODI series (home)
1st ODI - Disaster
2nd ODI - everyone knows
3rd ODI - Poor + Ordinary

Australia ODI series (home)
1st ODI - Ordinary/Good
2nd ODI - Poor
3rd ODI - Disaster

ICC Champions Trophy
vs SL - Ordinary/Poor
vs WI - Poor

First of all, the first series you dug up, BD-SL ("Worst series ever"-Bashar), wasnt even in this cricket calender year, let alone 2006 (Which this whole thread is about, by the way). Secondly, the match you labeled "everyone knows", dude, its almost like your intentionaly trying to hide the fact that BD played well in that match. Thirdly, the first ICC champions trophy match that you labeled "Ordinary/poor", BD scored 265 in that match!!Are you honestly telling me that that doesnt show you a sign of PROGRESS from the year before this??To check the difference, you dont have to look far, its in your own message, compare the first series (2005) with SL, to ALL the series's that follow it. Let me tell you, even a 2 year old would be able to see it.
Im not saying that your not a diehard Bangladeshi fan (cuz you wouldnt be here if you werent), but the pessimism almost bursts out from ur msg's, especially at times when we look our best.
Now, after those corrections, unsurprisingly, there are absolutely NO series's where we didnt show signs of promise.

SMHasan
December 15, 2006, 10:26 PM
I am not gonna make any comment anything on our performance as we are not playing against the big teams recently. But I think Spitfire bhai should be more optimistic!

The matches we played recently against the big teams were not up to the expectation, we made 265 against SL in CT but did we chase the score at all? Could not Saqib hit more positively? These are the questions.

We need to play more big matches to learn how to win from that sort of situation and one day we will get closer to the target and then once we will be winning from these sort of position.

On another note we should get rid of Habibul from the one day side cause: He is a bad fielder, very slow and lazy runner and passed his good days. Remember the run out against the Aussies. But we need him in the tests.

I just wonder why he didn't choose to bat first in any of the matches against the Zombies, it was a good chance to have some batting practice. We could get the correct combination for the future matches. But he didn't give the team that chance. He was scared! Simply pathetic.

Farhad
December 15, 2006, 10:53 PM
I am not gonna make any comment anything on our performance as we are not playing against the big teams recently. But I think Spitfire bhai should be more optimistic!

The matches we played recently against the big teams were not up to the expectation, we made 265 against SL in CT but did we chase the score at all? Could not Saqib hit more positively? These are the questions.

We need to play more big matches to learn how to win from that sort of situation and one day we will get closer to the target and then once we will be winning from these sort of position.

On another note we should get rid of Habibul from the one day side cause: He is a bad fielder, very slow and lazy runner and passed his good days. Remember the run out against the Aussies. But we need him in the tests.

I just wonder why he didn't choose to bat first in any of the matches against the Zombies, it was a good chance to have some batting practice. We could get the correct combination for the future matches. But he didn't give the team that chance. He was scared! Simply pathetic.

The 265 against SL was definately not the best they have played, but it was up there. Just the fact that they were able to score 265 speaks loads to their improvement, and thats all we can talk about right now. We can in no way say that BD has become a great team, but the whole reason im taking a rather optimistic stance is because they are leading towards that, im not saying it'll happen soon, but am appalled that people seem to be bringing up a 15 month old series in proving that we havent even improved a bit since then. As for Habib, he is certainly inconsistent, and i think its only natural that he be blamed for that. But concerning his toss decisions; its not exactly his fault, as any thoughtful coach would instruct the captain beforehand. Personally, i dont think it was a great decision, but Habib is not at fault there.

AsifTheManRahman
December 15, 2006, 11:48 PM
nice signature, bd4eva :D

Mahir
December 15, 2006, 11:59 PM
But I think Spitfire bhai should be more optimistic!

oh boy, u r bang on there! Sometimes i feel like taking it to him at a personal level! :mad: but oh well... keep myself refrained somehow. :hairpull: :)

Protic
December 16, 2006, 05:16 AM
few things noticeable:

1. they are hesitant to bat first even with weaker teams
2. they never could make 300+ runs
3. batting is still inconsistent
4. bowling is good
5. fielding still needs improvement

1. Depends on the pitch. Its all about securing the win. So I think your point is wrong.
2. They did with Kenya. 301/7
3. Not like before.. even we are 120/5.. we atleast get to 220-230 now..thats a proven fact.
4. Ofcourse
5. Yeah i agree.

kaisermatin
December 16, 2006, 06:47 AM
bashar is giving a new definition to "captains knock" from now on it will be called captains duck or captains unda. he is not scoring well and that started from the 2 consecutive 0s in CT. no wonder why BD had to surrender to WI without any fight. maybe we should give him a much deserved rest to get his attitude changed. it worked for danguli da!

thebest
December 16, 2006, 07:22 AM
bashar is giving a new definition to "captains knock" from now on it will be called captains duck or captains unda. he is not scoring well and that started from the 2 consecutive 0s in CT. no wonder why BD had to surrender to WI without any fight. maybe we should give him a much deserved rest to get his attitude changed. it worked for danguli da!
It become fashionable to attack HB now a days in BC. When HB misfire everybody jumps on. How about put the effort to other so called 'talented' 'one match wonder' players.
He may be the worst captain (though I do not think), but definately he is our best batsman (I considered SN but SN become a specialist on minnow and Aus; Ijaj Ahemd have more century than Inzy againest the Aussi). Is not in the last match he played a captain's knock. You mentioned about the 2 '0's. But forgot he just returned from injury. How about irresponsible batting frm Aftab in WI matches? How about consistent failure of Ash? How about SN's continious flirting out side off or horrible fielding. The rookies (Farhad, Sakib) yet not tested againest the big boys. HB has proven he is our only batsman who could actually play for the big 8 consistently. He scored againest every team in every condition.

Miraz
December 16, 2006, 07:40 AM
I second you thebest.

HB is still our 'proven' best batsman by a long distance. He is the only choice now and also the best 'Captain' Bangladesh ever had.

Sam
December 16, 2006, 07:42 AM
Many of our friends have mixed up the core message of this thread and getting themselves carried away by figures and emotions.
If I have understood correctly, what Ahmed_B wanted to tell us is that in recent days our players' attitude has been improved a lot. And I strongly believe that he is very much right.
Even in the recent past it was always a dismal and appalling performance of our players against each team, irrespective of their class (strong or minnows) and any win would have been followed by cart wheels and victory laps. Those days are gone. Our players are now more professional, despite their age and exposure. Even their body language has been improved. I enjoyed the hostilities in the eyes of Rajib and Mash when they were in their bowling mark.
These are all because, we are gaining the habit of winning, whatever the opponents are.

BangladeshFan
December 16, 2006, 10:50 AM
bd is winning consistently against very weak teams. i am not sure if bd have improved that much. in the champions trophy they got smashed everytime by the big teams and that happened this year not a long ago. the zim that last time visited Bd had atleast taibu and he made a big difference. put some of their big names back and they can still whip Bd i think.

I will think Bd has improved if they perform consistenly against big teams, may not be winning but atleast the margin of defeat should be less consistently.

Kabir
December 16, 2006, 12:31 PM
He may be the worst captain (though I do not think), but definately he is our best batsman ...
HB has proven he is our only batsman who could actually play for the big 8 consistently. He scored againest every team in every condition.

Wonderfully explained thebest. Some time ago, a BD selector (that I personally know) told me that there was once a SL player that came to BD as a guest player a few years ago. And guess what he said at that time. He said HB is gonna be the best BD batsman, coz he's classy, consistant, and entertaining. Consistancy isn't the right thing to say at this time, but he has showed his consistancy in the series against Australia with a few 50s. If people don't want to recognize that, it's too bad for them.


About this topic: I am always upset to see a few members being so negative about our team's performance against big teams. Guys...when we're improving, just accept that fact, and hope for the best. Don't start dreaming already, but be patient.

Rihaad The Man
December 16, 2006, 12:39 PM
Now we have say to the opponents ;

Don't show your attitude as we have enough of ours .

kalpurush
December 16, 2006, 04:43 PM
bd is winning consistently against very weak teams. i am not sure if bd have improved that much. in the champions trophy they got smashed everytime by the big teams and that happened this year not a long ago. the zim that last time visited Bd had atleast taibu and he made a big difference. put some of their big names back and they can still whip Bd i think.

I will think Bd has improved if they perform consistenly against big teams, may not be winning but atleast the margin of defeat should be less consistently.

According to Ahmed_B and Sam bhai....we are talking about Team BD's attitude!
Winning or losing is not the point here!! BTW, a win is a win regardless of which team you are playing!!! :-D