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Mav
December 16, 2006, 04:59 PM
Extras and fielding play a very important role to set target and to keep pressure on the opponents. If you look at the extras we have given out in last few matches, it is not very acceptable.

1st ODI vs Zim
Total Extras : 9 Runs
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/engine/current/match/264066.html

2nd ODI vs Zim
Total Extras : 21 Runs

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/engine/current/match/264068.html

3rd ODI vs Zim
Total Extras : 19 Runs

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/engine/current/match/264069.html

4th ODI vs Zim
Total Extras : 21 Runs

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/engine/current/match/264070.html

5th ODI vs Zim
Total Extras : 8 Runs

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/bdeshvzim/engine/current/match/264071.html

1st ODI vs Scot
Total extras: 17 runs

http://www.cricketeurope4.net/LIVE/1/live.shtml

On Average we are giving away 15.83 = 16 runs, which can be very much -


* A batsmen's individual Run
* A bigger Target
* Pressure on Batsmen

We gotta fix it before we fly to WC 2007.

DISCUSS...


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Farhad
December 16, 2006, 05:24 PM
Yeah....Its good that you noticed that. I had a feeling that they were a bit on the high side, but never this high. Simply unacceptable in international cricket.
Let me point out a few observations:
1. 69 wides and no-balls in total in just 6 matches
2. Shahadat-most extras in all the matches
3. Match Shahadat didnt play, least extras

Shahadat is definately the most expensive in the team in that respect, but surprisingly he still has a relatively low average (not economy rate-in these 6 matches). If we play against any of the top 8 teams, Shahadats accuracy would definately hurt our chances.
And notice that our spinners too, average a few wides per game, especially Razzak.

Miraz
December 16, 2006, 05:44 PM
Bangladesh is one of the most disciplined team of world cricket.

No need to worry about that.

Check this article in cricinfo (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/columns/content/story/225362.html)

Bangladesh is the best team in terms of conceding least extras per match since 2003 world cup.

Sovik
December 16, 2006, 05:54 PM
shahadat is expensive but he is picking up wickets. and our spinners are bowling very well. specially razzak. and 16 extras per match is not that bat. but our quick bowlers need to be more discipline

AsifTheManRahman
December 16, 2006, 05:55 PM
16 a match is nothing. you should start to worry when it goes up to or beyond the mid 20's or so.

al Furqaan
December 16, 2006, 09:18 PM
16 a match is nothing. you should start to worry when it goes up to or beyond the mid 20's or so.

i agree, but we still need to keep it as low as possible.

a win is a win...if we concede 5 extras and lose, but give up 25 and win...i don't it needs saying which is better...

Farhad
December 16, 2006, 09:52 PM
I disagree, this thread made my curious, so i checked it out on Stats Guru (Cricinfo). The extras in each match since 2003 have increased steadily (From about 9 to what it is now). Its definitely not a huge problem, but it still should be kept as low as possible. The fact that our team consists of only two bowlers that bowl over 70 mph (per match in this tour) and still manage to concede 16 extras a match does bother me a bit. Just a bit of info...Pakistan and West indies have extremely high extras rates, but its understandable as they both have more pacers per match on average.
*Just out of curiosity, did u guys check the article Miraz provided us with??The team with the highest Wide+noball rate (pakistan) has 15.(something), which is very close to what BD has in the last 6 matches

Mav
December 19, 2006, 12:49 PM
16 is not good. Our target should be to keep it below 8-10 anyways - For WC.

We dont need to see how we r doing with respect to other quality teams such as Australia - Pakistan etc. We should have our own target, and find out who is not very disciplined and train him more. Ex- Shahadat.

Spitfire_x86
December 19, 2006, 01:16 PM
(wide + no ball) is the bowling problem, not total extra.

And when it comes to (wide + no ball), we have no reason to worry.

Beamer
December 19, 2006, 01:28 PM
Shahadat needs to tidy up. No question about that. Good teams will unsettle him more as they have world class players who can hit even good ( not great ) balls for boundaries. He gives too many wides and no-balls. I like his wkt taking ability much more than Rasel. But, if he wants to be a good one day bowler as well, he must work harder on that aspect of his bowling.

Ahmed_B
December 19, 2006, 01:32 PM
I remember... few days back someone posted a thread on a CricInfo stats page (numbers game?)... which had a chart in it showing extra runs given per match by each teams. BD was among the most controlled teams in that stat. Can someone provide link to that CI Article pls? I can't seem to find it.

Farhad
December 19, 2006, 08:11 PM
I remember... few days back someone posted a thread on a CricInfo stats page (numbers game?)... which had a chart in it showing extra runs given per match by each teams. BD was among the most controlled teams in that stat. Can someone provide link to that CI Article pls? I can't seem to find it.

Its already been posted.....in this thread (by miraz).....Agree with that, BD gives around 8 wides+noballs per match since 2003...even though this isnt a huge problem right now....it still has increased in recent times, we cant take the avg of 16 extras in the match and compare it with that eight (which is just noballs+wides)....but if someone takes the trouble to calculate the wides+noballs of the last 6 matches, i would be grateful (Im not sure, but It looks likes it higher than eight.)