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kalpurush
January 25, 2007, 11:32 AM
BCB has announced Zimbabwe bound squad for BD today! As speculated, Tapash, Sharif and Tamim in along with Tushar!! Unfortunately, Rasel, Reza and Nadif couldn't make it this time. And, Pilot is out due to injury. Here is the squad below:

Squad: Habibul Bashar (captain), Shahriar Nafees, Aftab Ahmed, Mohammad Rafique, Mashrafe Mortaza, Tushar Imran, Mohammad Ashraful, Saqibul Hasan, Mehrab Hossain jnr, Shahadat Hossain, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mohammad Sharif, Tapash Baishya, Abdur Razzak, Tamim Iqbal.
Source: CricketWorld, Reuters.

kalpurush
January 25, 2007, 11:44 AM
Here is my squad for the 1st ODI:

Nafees
Tamim
Aftab
Bashar
Saqib
Mushfiq
Mashrafee
Shahadat
Tapash
Sharif
Razzak

If Nadif were in the squad, he could be handy when needed according to situation!:-D

Fazal
January 25, 2007, 12:39 PM
from another thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=365863)
This is pretty childish; replying your own post!

I will merge it soon with other Zim thread.

:-D

TheWatcher
January 25, 2007, 01:14 PM
I rather see Mehrab finally pulling himself together as an oneday opener than Tamim being given a wild shot. Other players that I want see playing in all four matches are SN, Razzak, Sakib, and Mushfiq (obvious choices). On the otherhand, Rafique Mama should sit out this series and try to gather some motivation ahead of the world cup.

In the middle order (position #3, 5, and 6. #4 is reserved for Sakib), Aftab, Bash, Ash, and Tush, each should get three matches in rotation. The same should go with the four pacers, three of them in each match and each pacer should get three matches in rotation.

Nasif
January 25, 2007, 01:41 PM
from another thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=365863)


:-D

Its already merged here:
http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=18551

sadi
January 25, 2007, 01:41 PM
knowing how Bangladeshi thinktank operates, I think they will go with the best possible eleven in first two games and also maybe in the third game. Only after the series is decided, they will give other kids a chance.

sadi
January 25, 2007, 02:01 PM
Looks like team management is very cautious about Mashrafee's health this time.

With national paceman Mashrafee-bin-Mortuza playing the match solely as a batsman after being advised not to bowl by the Bangladesh team management, Mohammad Shahjada also contributed with the ball picking up a wicket.

al Furqaan
January 25, 2007, 02:02 PM
knowing how Bangladeshi thinktank operates, I think they will go with the best possible eleven in first two games and also maybe in the third game. Only after the series is decided, they will give other kids a chance.

bingo

al Furqaan
January 25, 2007, 02:03 PM
Looks like team management is very cautious about Mashrafee's health this time.

this is the way he needs to play against zim...only as a batsman

there is no way in hell he can be injured b4 WC

Fazal
January 25, 2007, 02:24 PM
Now that Tushar is included. I hope he plays atleast 2 games in a row.

AsifTheManRahman
January 25, 2007, 02:48 PM
why tushar why? why can't you retire from international cricket?

BangladeshCricket
January 25, 2007, 02:53 PM
why tushar why? why can't you retire from international cricket?
He is only 24!! and you are telling him to retire!! But I have a faith on him that he will be the next AlShahriar!(ops thukku)

rudro
January 25, 2007, 02:58 PM
Because you never gave me enough run with the team. I mean, when was the last time AsifTheMamaRahman have seen me playing more than two matches in a row? How many total matches did I play?

Why would I retire? Why? Why? Why?

BangladeshCricket
January 25, 2007, 03:00 PM
I guess we are now more moving towards a balanced team than depending on allrounders.
Shocked to see that because of competition Rasel had to make his way for Tapash and Sharif. On the other hand, Farhad Reza was not given chances because of so many options! It's interesting but not sure how effective for Zimb and WC tour.

Tigers_eye
January 25, 2007, 03:01 PM
why tushar why? why can't you retire from international cricket?
Backup wicket keeper also. Multi skilled players have a better chance in Dav's house. I wonder what other skill Bashar holds other than batting??

sadi
January 25, 2007, 03:24 PM
Backup wicket keeper also. Multi skilled players have a better chance in Dav's house. I wonder what other skill Bashar holds other than batting??

oiling maybe? ;)

sunniath
January 25, 2007, 03:41 PM
bd team now has four pacers and two spinners.masri and rajib are automatic choice.now the question is will bd opt for four pacers and a spinner or three pacers/two spinners attack. it will be interesting to see which spinner has to sit out the zim series. my guess is bd will strat with four pacers and leave rafiq.if that does not work,then one of the two new pacers will go out and rafiq will come back.

sunniath
January 25, 2007, 04:24 PM
both nafees and jr. hit centuries today and tamim scored 60+.all three openers are scoring.i guess jr. is not ready to give up his spot so easily.this is the type of competition i was waiting to see among the players for a long time.

BangladeshCricket
January 25, 2007, 04:38 PM
I still fail to accept that we could not arrange Ind/Pak/SL A team to come and play with us. Our players will be traveling so far back and forth, and I hope they won't complain before WC of exhaustion.

Miraz
January 25, 2007, 04:56 PM
I think if nothing extraordinary happens, playing XI for the first match will be -

Shahriar Nafees
Mehrab Jr.
Aftab Ahmed
Sakib Al Hasan
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Rafiq
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain

I think our mathamota selectors might opt for Mohammad Sharif or Tapash Baisya in place of Shahadat Hossain citing their batting strength.

sunniath
January 25, 2007, 04:58 PM
dropping shahadat will be a disaster.i think rafiq will be left out for sharif.

Tigers_eye
January 25, 2007, 05:26 PM
Since we have Sakib and mehrab Jr. we can have only one spinner (Razzak). That gives a slot for Sharif. Then we have Shahadat and Sharif, Razzak, Sakib, Mehrab Jr.
(Mash don't have to bowl.)

kalpurush
January 25, 2007, 06:29 PM
from another thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=365863)
:-D

Fazal bhai: Pochan ken miya...sorom lagey to!:blush:
My bad...didn't think that way!!Should have though!!!:doh:

TheWatcher
January 25, 2007, 06:31 PM
knowing how Bangladeshi thinktank operates, I think they will go with the best possible eleven in first two games and also maybe in the third game. Only after the series is decided, they will give other kids a chance.
May be you are right. Still I sincerly hope that the management will follow the rotation policy for the pacers. It will be hot and humid in Zimbabwe and it will be the same in the West Indies, there is a good chance someone will be injured. So, it is a good idea to keep all four pacers match ready.

BTW, what is the chance that we will find out Tapash has an injury/sickness after we see him bowling some crap ? Rasel, don't loose your heart yet.

kalpurush
January 26, 2007, 12:32 AM
BTW, what is the chance that we will find out Tapash has an injury/sickness after we see him bowling some crap ? Rasel, don't loose your heart yet.

I hope not, but, yap...who knows!
Is this the end of Rasel era? ....that would be sad though.:(
He could be handy against SL in the WC!!

cricket_king
January 26, 2007, 01:39 AM
I think if nothing extraordinary happens, playing XI for the first match will be -

Shahriar Nafees
Mehrab Jr.
Aftab Ahmed
Sakib Al Hasan
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Rafiq
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain


I second that order, but i believe that after the first or second game, assuming we've won them, the selectors will try tamim in place of mehrab, or maybe place mehrab in ashraful's spot, assuming ashraful screws up. I also think the pace bowlers tapash or sharif may get a chance after the first or second match as well.

But keep in mind, this will only happen if we win the first couple of matches. :)

Spitfire_x86
January 26, 2007, 01:44 AM
I think Tamim should play from the first match. If we win the first three ODIs, then Mehrab can come in place of SN.

cricket_dorshok
January 26, 2007, 06:13 AM
I also like Tamim in the first 11 ahead of Mehrab for the first two matches.

sadi
January 26, 2007, 09:09 AM
Have the selectors made up their mind about their number 1 spinner? It will be really dumb to play two specialist spinner in Zimbabwe or in WI when we have back up spinners like Sakib and Mehrab. Three seamers will be more suitable option. In that case, either Rafique or Razzak need to sit. I would pick Razzak over Rafique nowadays.

Miraz
January 26, 2007, 09:14 AM
IMO, Rafiq and Razzak both should play irrespective of wicket types. Wicket does not matter for Rafiq.

In any day, Rafiq and Razzak duo will give less run and take more wickets in 20 overs compared to any possible combination of othet BD bowlers.

Kabir
January 26, 2007, 09:39 AM
In any day, Rafiq and Razzak duo will give less run and take more wickets in 20 overs compared to any possible combination of othet BD bowlers.

Unfortunately...that is the case. Our seamers should have been able to set their standards high...but it's simply not possible right now. So agreed, Rafiq and Razzak should be an automatic inclusion in the team. And mind you, both these players can (theoretically) be handy with the bat...so any plans for making either one of them sit for including a seamer should judge the batting aspect too.

Fazal
January 26, 2007, 09:52 AM
In any day, Rafiq and Razzak duo will give less run and take more wickets in 20 overs compared to any possible combination of othet BD bowlers.

Except this (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh/engine/match/249203.html) day I guess. And unfortunately it was in last year against ZIM at ZIM.:-D

Bangladesh in Zimbabwe ODI Series - 1st ODI (Played at Harare Sports Club on 29 July 2006)
(http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/zimvbdesh/engine/match/249203.html) Mashrafe & Shahadat gave 75 runs in 20 overs (took 7 wickets)
Razzak & Rafique gave 99 runs in 20 overs (took 1 wickket)

sadi
January 26, 2007, 10:04 AM
Unfortunately...that is the case. Our seamers should have been able to set their standards high...but it's simply not possible right now. So agreed, Rafiq and Razzak should be an automatic inclusion in the team. And mind you, both these players can (theoretically) be handy with the bat...so any plans for making either one of them sit for including a seamer should judge the batting aspect too.

Battingwise believe it or not, I would pick Sharif over Rafique nowadays. Rafique's batting is nowhere close to what it used to be. His batting form can be compared to that of Pilot's in recent days. Good old days are gone. He is still a good bowler though no doubt but battingwise, even Razzak is doing much better. He hasn't score runs in a while even in domestic cricket. Well in seamer friendly condition, there is no point playing with four spinners. Sakib and Mehrab will always be there and can provide us with some overs and Razzak is almost an automatic choice for me. So as much as I hate to see Rafique sit, sometimes you just have to move on. Specially when the condition demands it.

Tigers_eye
January 26, 2007, 10:14 AM
Its not if the replacement will be better than rafique. it is the other intangibles. Rafique is a liability in fielding. batting wise he is 6 or zero type. Not consistant. bowling wise he is lesser quality of Razzak.

Intangibles:
1. We would replace rafique's bowling against Zimbos with Sakib's. Sakib's with Mehrab Jr.
2. Now having a Sharif or Taposh wuold give Bashar more options and strengthen our batting and fielding.
3. In the death-overs Bashar would have choices.

The tradeoff is fair for this away series only. I don't mind Rafique resting in the entire tour. One experiments against the weaker opponents not against India, SL.

al Furqaan
January 26, 2007, 10:54 AM
yes rafique's batting has been terrible...but i dont think he was ever a half decent batsman. he just hit the ball around, and now he's unable to do that even.

Miraz
January 26, 2007, 12:13 PM
yes rafique's batting has been terrible...but i dont think he was ever a half decent batsman. he just hit the ball around, and now he's unable to do that even.

Hmm.. and that less than half decent batsman has an test average of 21.82 (better than many top order batsman played for BD) and in last 5 test he avearges 27.20 with two fifty.

I think, in ODI we never utilized the potential of Rafiq as a batsman.

In any day, I'll take Rafiq over Sharif/Tapash in any pitch condition.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 12:16 PM
issh ki je obostha. ami kaokai bad dite partesina. shobai bhalo. ami shobaikai shoman drishtite dekhi. ai shomoy ami committee te thakle, rashtropoti amake onurodh korar agai, ami committee theke podottag kortam.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 12:26 PM
He is only 24!! and you are telling him to retire!! But I have a faith on him that he will be the next AlShahriar!(ops thukku)

Don't say all negetive. He has everything to become BD's next captain. Let's hope he gets some chances (I mean consistant chances for a while and not for a game) to play in first eleven and than demonstrate his natural gifted stroke making performances.

And yes, the key is point is, he is just 24.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 12:38 PM
IMO, Rafiq and Razzak both should play irrespective of wicket types. Wicket does not matter for Rafiq.

In any day, Rafiq and Razzak duo will give less run and take more wickets in 20 overs compared to any possible combination of othet BD bowlers.

I think it depends on if we have both Mehrab Jr. and Saqib in the playing eleven or not. If a wicket has nothing to do with spinners, is not it a bit "over optimisticism" to include both of Rs together with Mehrab and Saqib?? I would rather think it as a better option to have one more medium pacer (or perhaps an additional batsman). What do you think?

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 12:38 PM
sar2005, where u talking about making tushar Bangladesh team's captain or Bangladesh A team's captain?
he surely has the ability to become Bangladesh A teams captain. i mean at that stage of cricket he is just amazing. he just rocks. i mean he just doesnt have any competitor there. but the problem comes when he gets into the national team. i really never saw him perform that well in the national team. and i am having a hard time thinking how he can be the captain of the national team.
no hard feelings by the way.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 12:41 PM
Battingwise believe it or not, I would pick Sharif over Rafique nowadays. Rafique's batting is nowhere close to what it used to be. His batting form can be compared to that of Pilot's in recent days. Good old days are gone. He is still a good bowler though no doubt but battingwise, even Razzak is doing much better. He hasn't score runs in a while even in domestic cricket. Well in seamer friendly condition, there is no point playing with four spinners. Sakib and Mehrab will always be there and can provide us with some overs and Razzak is almost an automatic choice for me. So as much as I hate to see Rafique sit, sometimes you just have to move on. Specially when the condition demands it.

Exactly and that's what just I mentioned in my previous post.

sadi
January 26, 2007, 12:45 PM
I guess what he meant was Tushar is a good captain material. The sad part is in order for you to be the captain in a side, you need to get a chance to play for that side first. Tushar is not getting the chance and whenever he is getting the chance, he is not utilizing it. But if he does make it to the team and become a regular member in the team, it wouldn't surprise me to see a competition between him and Shahriar Nafees in the captaincy spot after Bashar is gone. Shahriar Nafees is the next on line and obviously the clear favorite but Tushar is a good captain material nevertheless.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 12:48 PM
i think we should make the players who has a 50 50 chance of getting into the team play the game, "open ti biscope...sultana babiyana shaheb babur boithokkhana shaheb bolechen jete pan shupari khete" and find of who gets out. cuz then it will be completely fair. we cant blame anyone or nor can they blame anyone for not being included in the team. cuz right now each of the person in the 15 man squad has a good chance of getting into the team.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 12:50 PM
sadi bhai, as u mentioned we can only consider about Tushar being the captain after Tushar becomes a regular member of the club. First you have to be a member of parliament before thinking of becoming the Prime Minister.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 12:51 PM
sar2005, where u talking about making tushar Bangladesh team's captain or Bangladesh A team's captain?
he surely has the ability to become Bangladesh A teams captain. i mean at that stage of cricket he is just amazing. he just rocks. i mean he just doesnt have any competitor there. but the problem comes when he gets into the national team. i really never saw him perform that well in the national team. and i am having a hard time thinking how he can be the captain of the national team.
no hard feelings by the way.

Faltu bhai, a person simply does not becomes a test planying contry's A team captain if he has nothing. He deffinitely has everything but it all depends on time (perhaps luck) when he will start performing for national team. That's why I requested you to wish him luck (and it's not for me, but for your team). Unfortunately I was in india and witnessed a doule hundred knock (though it was for A team) by him infront of my eye and I know how brilliant he is. I know how good a captain he is when he travelled zim and eng last time for A team. We just need his good day in the ground. And as I said earlier, remember, he is still just 24.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 12:53 PM
I guess what he meant was Tushar is a good captain material. The sad part is in order for you to be the captain in a side, you need to get a chance to play for that side first. Tushar is not getting the chance and whenever he is getting the chance, he is not utilizing it. But if he does make it to the team and become a regular member in the team, it wouldn't surprise me to see a competition between him and Shahriar Nafees in the captaincy spot after Bashar is gone. Shahriar Nafees is the next on line and obviously the clear favorite but Tushar is a good captain material nevertheless.

Thanks Mate!! Perhaps I am not good in writing but yes, that's what I meant.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 12:54 PM
dekha jak ki hoi................
asha kori bhaloi hobe.

sadi
January 26, 2007, 12:55 PM
sadi bhai, as u mentioned we can only consider about Tushar being the captain after Tushar becomes a regular member of the club. First you have to be a member of parliament before thinking of becoming the Prime Minister.

Definately I agree. I know where you are coming from. I was just supporting Sar2005 bhai's post about Tushar's potential. Noone is asking him to be the captain, we are just talking about his potential thats all. Cheers!!!

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:01 PM
we have a lot of potentials.
unfortunately thats just wat he have. we just have potential energy. but we dont know how to transform energy into work. actually i even forgot the equation for that. i have to check out the physics book. and then i will call tushar and tell him about that. maybe that will be of some help to him. probably he took physics a long time ago too. i dont blame him at all. actually there is too much going on. who can remember all those formulas anyway?

al Furqaan
January 26, 2007, 01:05 PM
we have a lot of potentials.
unfortunately thats just wat he have. we just have potential energy. but we dont know how to transform energy into work. actually i even forgot the equation for that. i have to check out the physics book. and then i will call tushar and tell him about that. maybe that will be of some help to him. probably he took physics a long time ago too. i dont blame him at all. actually there is too much going on. who can remember all those formulas anyway?

work = final kinetic energy - initial kinetic energy

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:08 PM
thank you Furqaan bhai. u saved me atleast 5 minutes. i was just about to look through the whole book. wat a life saver u r. i owe u. well its too late and i cant call tushar rite now. and i dont want to spend my day time minutes now anyway. i will call him dhaka time saturday morning.

Nasif
January 26, 2007, 01:09 PM
we have a lot of potentials.
unfortunately thats just wat he have. we just have potential energy. but we dont know how to transform energy into work. actually i even forgot the equation for that. i have to check out the physics book. and then i will call tushar and tell him about that. maybe that will be of some help to him. probably he took physics a long time ago too. i dont blame him at all. actually there is too much going on. who can remember all those formulas anyway?

Potential Energy = mgh
Kinetic Energy =½mv<sup>2</sup>

He needs to convert PE = KE, that won't be happening anytime soon :lol:

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:13 PM
hahahahaha,
nasif bhai, i thought so too. for some how there is a leak in the system. all those energies are going down the drain. and i dont think we will be able to find that leak soon. probably it is better to replace it then trying to close down the leak!!!!!

Tigers_eye
January 26, 2007, 01:15 PM
Hmm.. and that less than half decent batsman has an test average of 21.82 (better than many top order batsman played for BD) and in last 5 test he avearges 27.20 with two fifty.

I think, in ODI we never utilized the potential of Rafiq as a batsman.

In any day, I'll take Rafiq over Sharif/Tapash in any pitch condition.
I am not sure if you considered the followings:

There is a huge difference between Test and ODIs. We are talking about ODIs here. Your stat of 21.82 fares nothing to his 13.51 ODI average. The last five times he had bat his average is 8 (0, 12, 7, 10*, 3) (and this is more recent).

With a 27.2 one can easily claim a middle order spot in BD lineup. But with a 8 average that point becomes mute. Let him rest for this series, enjoy the tour, be a mentor, and get ready for the WC.

Miraz
January 26, 2007, 01:21 PM
I am not sure if you considered the followings:

There is a huge difference between Test and ODIs. We are talking about ODIs here. Your stat of 21.82 fares nothing to his 13.51 ODI average. The last five times he had bat his average is 8 (0, 12, 7, 10*, 3).
With a 27.2 one can easily claim a middle order spot in BD lineup. But with a 8 average that point becomes mute. Let him rest for this series, enjoy the tour, be a mentor, and get ready for the WC.

Tigers_eye bhai, I was just responding to the statement that ' Rafiq is less than half decent batsman who can only hit the ball around.

Anyway, we need to consider rafiq primarily as a bowler in the ODI team. In the last 5 innings for which you provided batting stat, he took 7 wickets with an average of 23.28.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:23 PM
well the thing is rafique is already there. i mean he has already achieved his peak. i dont think making him play against zimbabwe is gonna do any better for him. it will just give the zimbos some practice against arm ball. rafique is gonna be in the WC team anyway. so why not play some other dude who has a 50 50 chance in getting into the team. this is a tour for experiment. not a tour to show off wat we already got.

Miraz
January 26, 2007, 01:28 PM
this is a tour for experiment. not a tour to show off wat we already got.

Let's win the first two ODI and then start experimenting. Experimenting right from the first ODI might backfire :)

Fazal
January 26, 2007, 01:31 PM
Its so refresing that now some fans doesn't hesitate to question the current usefullness of veteran superstars like Pilot, Bashar, Rafiq, Ash, etc, etc. when waranted. Ofcourse there are fans who still believe in these off-form stars and want them in the team regarless. But atleast ... when a star fails to perform for a while... some fans are not afaid to point that out.

I still remember a year plus ago when I used to get few hate mails when I made fun of Ash and his performance. There was a time when it was a taboo... not to critisize the superstars even when they fails for a while ..... critisizing Ash, Pilot or Rafiq's perfomance in this forum was an unofficial No No !!!!... things have changed a lot!!!!!

It just tells me.... not only our cricket team... but also the fans matured a lot....they learned how to respectfully disagee without personally attcking each other.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:33 PM
Let's win the first two ODI and then start experimenting. Experimenting right from the first ODI might backfire :)

yeah. well thats our main objective. wat i was trying to say was that plz dont make bashar or rafique play all 4 games. thats just useless.

Miraz
January 26, 2007, 01:37 PM
Fazal, there's a huge difference between Rafiq and Bashar compared to Ashraful & Pilot.

Over the last year Rafiq took more wickets with better average that all his career (in both test and ODI). So, he is declining in his role isn't true.

Bashar scored one third of all the runs Bangladesh scored in test history and he continued that in this year. In ODI he averaged above 30 which is highest compared to all previous years. So, he is declining also not true.

About Ashraful and Pilot, the less said the better. Pilot is already a liability and Ash will be soon unless he realizes it.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 01:42 PM
miraz bhai it is still true that behind the wicket pilot is still the best. so i think his performance is declining is also not true.

Tigers_eye
January 26, 2007, 01:48 PM
I want Bashar play all 4 games and preferrably bat in all four games. Everytime there is an opportunity for him to practice he simply slips under the radar (dropping down the order). He lacks serious match practice and has to show he still has it. When one is out of match practice either he tends to get runout or runouts his partner or strolls between the wickets and keep on daydreaming. Against Ind or SL we need him to score a 50+ like he use to. not a less than 30.

As for Rafique, he is the best BD bowler ever to bowl till now (Hopefully in near future someone will cross him). He is the senior most member and not getting any younger. Let his old bones enjoy the Spas that harare has to offer. He has nothing to prove to anyone. He is a shoein for the WC.

Fazal
January 26, 2007, 01:54 PM
Fazal, there's a huge difference between Rafiq and Bashar compared to Ashraful & Pilot.

Over the last year Rafiq took more wickets with better average that all his career (in both test and ODI). So, he is declining in his role isn't true.

Bashar scored one third of all the runs Bangladesh scored in test history and he continued that in this year. In ODI he averaged above 30 which is highest compared to all previous years. So, he is declining also not true.

About Ashraful and Pilot, the less said the better. Pilot is already a liability and Ash will be soon unless he realizes it.

Miraz,
When you say "there's a huge difference between Rafiq and Bashar compared to Ashraful & Pilot." you are kind of half right and half wrong. Why? Beacuse it all depends how you are comparing them, you need to see the context someone is comparing.

For my case, I named all these players because they are
a) All super stars,
b) More or less they all contributed (multiple times) to the team at some point,
c) They all have large fan base,
d) They are no longer considered the top perfomers for the team (by some fans).

More over if we see from different point of view, someone can even claim that "Rafiq(mainly bowler) cannot be compared with Bashar(mainly batsman+captain)" and "Ash(batsman) cannot be compared with Pilot(wicketkeeper)". So I guess you realize when someone is talking about these players we need to see in which context they are comparing.

Now About Rafiq (the main discussion), I also believe with the the folks, Because:

1) Recently (in ODI) Razzak is kind of out performing Rafiq in bowling dept. Enev though that doen't mean Rafiq is doing bad with the ball.

2) With his current form, I cannot rely on Rafiq's batting and therfore hesitent to think him as an all-rounder. Due to his age, I am kind of worried when/if he will regain his batting form back.

3) As a bowler there is nothing to gain for Rafiq from this series. Therefore I would let Razzak show me how far he can go. Actually the ZIM team specifically mentioned that (during the last series) they are more worried about Razzak than any player (or something similar like that)

Therrefore if its upto me, and there is only one slot left (for spinner), I would also select Razzak over Rafiq in this series.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 02:05 PM
.............so i think his performance is declining is also not true.

One have to remember that a wicket-keeper is just not for keeping now a days. She needs to contribute through her batting as well. Can you please remind me when pilot last time played a match winning knock?

Fazal
January 26, 2007, 02:08 PM
One have to remember that a wicket-keeper is just not for keeping now a days. She needs to contribute through her batting as well. Can you please remind me when pilot last time played a match winning knock?

So we need a lady wicketkeeper then.:-D

sadi
January 26, 2007, 02:12 PM
So we need a lady wicketkeeper then.:-D

http://bdnews24.com/uploads/-Jan_.Tfour-18.jpg
How about her? Can she keep? Looks like a good batsman to me!!!

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 02:18 PM
So we need a lady wicketkeeper then.:-D

yes we need a lady wicket keeper who can bat. it doesnt matter if he is good at keeping or not.
well its true in other countries that wicket keeper needs to bat. but in other countries batting is just not the main criteria. yes gilchrist is a great batsman. but at the same time he is an excellent keeper. oh sorry this example does not stand here cuz gilchrist is not "she". unfortunately i dont know any lady wicket keeper in bangladesh. guys plz help me out here.

sar2005
January 26, 2007, 02:33 PM
Yeah, concerntrate more on ladies cricket that's starting tomorrow. Probably they can give us a better wicket-keeper earlier (as I can see from sadi's post, we have big walls behind the stamp and there is no way ball can pass the WK if she is there ;-) )

Tigers_eye
January 26, 2007, 03:42 PM
I am withdrawing my support from BD men's cricket team and solely supporting BD women's cricket team. Go lady tigers go!!!

Sadi needs to get a medal for finding this picture. Where is Tehsin when I need him??

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 06:47 PM
sadi bhai ar jonno ami akhoni akta medal bongobajar theke niye ashtesi daran. onusthaner prodhan otithi thakben amader shommanite doctor bhaijan.

sadi
January 26, 2007, 07:22 PM
Bhai amake keno medan diben? Ami tho eita arekta thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=18556) theke marsi. Maf chai. Kauke dite hoile allrounder bhai re den.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 26, 2007, 07:43 PM
tarporo....copy paste koratao to akta skill. internet a to onek tottho ase. but shaita thik moton jogar to shobai korte pare na.

SMHasan
January 26, 2007, 09:25 PM
Some people think that it's gonna be a picnic series but they are wrong. I feel sorry for them. It's gonna be a good test specially for our famous batting lineup.

In the previous series we saw how scared Habibul was to bat first, and we will see what happens in this series. I pray Zimbabwe win the toss and put us in batting first in all matches that's the way we gonna see some actions. We saw how our fragile oue batting is in CT now we need to improve.

If Habibul does not decide to bat first in at least 3 matches and put a good score then leave the hope of the World Cup.

BD-Shardul
January 27, 2007, 05:21 AM
Some people think that it's gonna be a picnic series but they are wrong. I feel sorry for them. It's gonna be a good test specially for our famous batting lineup.

In the previous series we saw how scared Habibul was to bat first, and we will see what happens in this series. I pray Zimbabwe win the toss and put us in batting first in all matches that's the way we gonna see some actions. We saw how our fragile oue batting is in CT now we need to improve.

If Habibul does not decide to bat first in at least 3 matches and put a good score then leave the hope of the World Cup.

Absolutely Right

kalpurush
January 27, 2007, 11:50 AM
Some people think that it's gonna be a picnic series but they are wrong. I feel sorry for them. It's gonna be a good test specially for our famous batting lineup.

In the previous series we saw how scared Habibul was to bat first, and we will see what happens in this series. I pray Zimbabwe win the toss and put us in batting first in all matches that's the way we gonna see some actions. We saw how our fragile oue batting is in CT now we need to improve.

If Habibul does not decide to bat first in at least 3 matches and put a good score then leave the hope of the World Cup.

Hasan bhai: Rightly so. :-D Bashar should bat first as this tour is considered as a preparation tour of the WC. Otherwise, as you said..."leave the hope of the WC!":(

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 27, 2007, 11:59 AM
well its not a picnic ofcourse. but its a preparation for the WC. thus we have to do all our experiments here before the WC and find out our best ODI squad.

Miraz
January 27, 2007, 06:04 PM
As part of the preparation for the current series, Zimbabwe (playing under A team cover) is playing a 3 match ODI series with South Africa A.

Zimbabwe fought well in the first ODI but finally lost by 47 runs.

In the second match, South Africa A team won easily by 8 wickets with 12 overs remaining.

Scorecard for Match 1 (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/zimbabwe/engine/match/276227.html)

Scorecard for Match 2 (http://content-uk.cricinfo.com/zimbabwe/engine/match/276228.html)

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 27, 2007, 08:08 PM
looks like zimbabwe team is trying their best to get back on their feet before the world cup.

SMHasan
January 27, 2007, 10:25 PM
Is Raymond Price back in the Zimbo team? If yes then they will be much stronger. Taibu might be back for the World Cup as well. We should watch out.

cricket_king
January 27, 2007, 10:36 PM
Fazal, there's a huge difference between Rafiq and Bashar compared to Ashraful & Pilot.

Why is rafique coming into this? I dont recall this guy ever letting us down in any situation. Without rafique, bangladesh would have lost many of the matches they have won, and would've been embarrassed further in some of those rather unpleasant matches.

Imteaz
January 27, 2007, 11:16 PM
Best 11 is:

1. Shahriar Nafees
2. Mehrab Hossain
3. Aftab Ahmed
4. Mohammad Ashraful
5. Habibul Bashar
6. Saqibul Hasan
7. Mushfiqur Rahim
8. Mohammad Sharif
9. Mashrafe Mortaza
10. Abdur Razzak
11. Shahadat Hossain

12. Tushar Imran
13. Mohammad Rafique
14. Tapash Baishya
15. Tamim Iqbal.

Every Players Should Play At Least Two Game. This Team should Win the Series.

Have a Nice Time.

fuzzy
January 29, 2007, 03:11 AM
Shahriar Nafees
tamim iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Sakib Al Hasan
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Rafiq
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain
best team bd can have.

cricket_king
January 29, 2007, 03:24 AM
Shahriar Nafees
tamim iqbal
Aftab Ahmed
Sakib Al Hasan
Habibul Bashar
Mohammad Ashraful
Mushfiqur Rahim
Mohammad Rafiq
Mashrafee Mortaza
Abdur Razzak
Shahadat Hossain
best team bd can have.

I like ur team although i do think we should use three pacers in zimbabwe. Therefore either rafique or razzak must sit out. Batting-wise, everything is fine.

Imteaz
January 29, 2007, 03:59 AM
Three Pacer Must Play in Zimbabwe Condition. If They Change the Wicket Style than It will be a Different Case.....................But I don't think Zimbzbwe will Do This Kind of Suicidal Mistake. A Spinning Condition will Ensure Another Whitewash for Zimbabwe by Bangladesh.....Specially by Razzak & Rafique.

So, Razzak or Rafique, One Must Sit out.....................and Mashrafee, Shahdat and Sharif or Tapash will Play.

If Bangladesh Play with Two Spinners in Current Zimbabwe Condition, That Might be a Suicidal Decission for Bangladesh. Management should Allow our Pacers to Use the Zimbabwe Condition. But After Everything, We can Only Assume by Using our Knowledge...............Nothing Can be Sure in Cricket. So, Let's Wait for Time.

BD-Shardul
January 29, 2007, 07:00 AM
Why not play with 5 specialist bowlers and six specialist batsman? Are we still afraid of Batting?

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 29, 2007, 02:19 PM
actually 2 specialist batsman is enough if they can bat for atleast 40 overs.

Miraz
February 3, 2007, 10:09 AM
I have posted this information in this Thread (http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=18590), probably most of the members missed it. That's why I am reposting it here :)


Bangladesh have declared 12 man team for the first ODI leaving Tamim Iqbal, Tushar Imran and Tapash Baisya out of the 15 man squad. The final XI will be declared in the morning.

Bangladesh 12 for first ODI
Habibul Bashar (Captain), Shahriar Nafees Ahmed (Vice-Captain), Mehrab Hossain (Jr.), Aftab Ahmed, Shakib Al Hasan, Mohammad Ashraful, Mushfiqur Rahim (Wicket-keeper), Mashrafe Bin Mortaza, Mohammed Rafique, Abdur Razzak, Shahadat Hossain, Mohammed Sharif.

More from TC (http://tigercricket.com/viewNews.aspx?newsID=266)

Farhad
February 3, 2007, 10:28 AM
Their leaving taposh out???I think Sharif must have impressed them...Oh well..At least this shows his injury's not serious......

Sam
February 3, 2007, 10:50 AM
What's going on? Only few hours left to start the match, but there is no thread for the first ODI?

sar2005
February 3, 2007, 11:51 AM
I think that's pretty okay that 3T are out in the first game. But I hope they all will get few chances.

Miraz
February 5, 2007, 09:56 AM
Bangladesh made one change in the 12 man squad. Sharif is out even without playing. Tapash is in.

Bangladesh Team (12 for 2nd ODI)
Habibul Bashar (Captain) Shahriar Nafees Ahmed (Vice Captain), Mehrab Hossain (Jr.), Aftab Ahmed, Shakib Al Hasan, Mohammad Ashraful, Mushfiqur Rahim, Mashrafe Bin Mortaza, Mohammad Rafique, Abdur Razzak, Shahadat Hossain Rajib, Tapash Baishya

akabir77
February 5, 2007, 10:11 AM
looks like bd managment is going to give every player a chance to become the water boy for at least one match...

kalpurush
February 5, 2007, 11:47 AM
Bangladesh made one change in the 12 man squad. Sharif is out even without playing. Tapash is in.

Thats really funny! And now Tapash might be out of squad in 3rd ODI like Sharif!!?

kalpurush
February 5, 2007, 11:49 AM
looks like bd managment is going to give every player a chance to become the water boy for at least one match...

Equal opportunity for all !
:) :-D :D

Fazal
February 5, 2007, 11:51 AM
Thats really funny! And now Tapash might be out of squad in 3rd ODI like Sharif!!?

I have a feeling, Tapash will be in for sure. And either Rafiq or Shahadat will be the water boy for 2nd ODI. Otherwise they would keep Sharif in the team of 12.

Miraz
February 5, 2007, 11:55 AM
I have a feeling, Tapash will be in for sure. And either Rafiq or Shahadat will be the water boy for 2nd ODI. Otherwise they would keep Sharif in the team of 12.

Considering your logic, I don't think they will use buira Rafiq as water boy. :)

In that case, Tapash will be in for Shahadat and that will be a bad decision.

akabir77
February 5, 2007, 02:33 PM
So whats the logic behind taking taposh instead of a all rounder?

So managment is thinking if the pitch is for fast bolwers they will play three fast bowlers and seat a spinner???

Or they know its not going to be a fast bowlers picth hence will swap the fast bowlers only????

Miraz
February 8, 2007, 10:27 AM
Three changes

Tamim in for Mehrab, Sharif in for Rafiq and Tapash in for Shahadat

Here's the team

Hard-hitting opening batsman Tamim Iqbal Khan will make his debut when Bangladesh take on Zimbabwe in the crucial third ODI of the Croco Motors series at the Harare Sports Club tomorrow.

The Tigers, who won the first game by 45 runs but came crashing down to earth on Tuesday with an 8-wicket defeat, have also decided to give all-rounder Mohammad Sharif and paceman Tapash Baishya their first matches of the tour.

Tamim, the 17-year-old younger left-hander, is expected to open the batting with Shahriar Nafees Ahmed. Mehrab Hossain (Jr.), who was Nafees’ partner in the first two ODIs has been dropped.

Sharif comes in for the injured Mohammad Rafique who is still nursing a badly bruised nose following a collision with Zimbabwe batsman Vusi Sibanda’s helmet on Tuesday. He was seen by a doctor today (Thursday) and according to team management sources, will be kept under observation for the next 5 days as the bleeding from the nose has not stopped fully. This effectively rules him out of the remainder of the series with the Tigers playing back-to-back games on Friday and Saturday.

Tapash will replace Shahadat Hossain Rajib who reportedly had a forgettable day in the field in the second game.

Bangladesh team for 3rd ODI
Habibul Bashar (Captain), Shahriar Nafees Ahmed, Tamim Iqbal, Aftab Ahmed, Shakib Al Hasan, Mohammad Ashraful, Mushfiqur Rahim (wicketkeeper), Mohammad Sharif, Mashrafe Bin Mortaza, Tapash Baishya, Abdur Razzak.