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pagol-chagol
January 31, 2007, 10:51 AM
Sharif - "I have come back to the team after a long time, and I have extra determination to do well due to that". Shahriar, Bashar, Aftab - "Hopefully our top order will start getting runs." Bashar, "We need to get our first series win in Zim". Ashraful - "Since I didn't get the chance to bat as much for the national team due to our top order batting well, hopefully I'll get some chances to bat this time. :hairpull: Mashrafee - " I am not the only pacer. there are 3 others and we all have to do well." taposh - "I have to do well. If I do well, thats the only way I can keep playing in the BD cricket team like I used to."

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 31, 2007, 10:56 AM
jaihok,
ashraful tini kintu bolechen je bigoto series a top order bhalo khelar karone tini batting korar shujog panni. asha kori tini ebar paben. ebong asha korbo tini jeno shafoller shathe tar namer shubichar korte paren. tar khela kintu shob shomoy anondo dai. tobe shai anonder jonno dorshokder tirther kaker moton boshe thakte hoi. asha korbo emonti jeno ar na hoi. ashraful jeno aro ghono ghono Eid ar din ante paren ai kamona korchi. dhannabad.

sadi
January 31, 2007, 11:03 AM
Ashraful reminds me of old days. Remember those days when we used to pray for our teammates to get out so that we can have a go with the bat?

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 31, 2007, 11:10 AM
Ashraful reminds me of old days. Remember those days when we used to pray for our teammates to get out so that we can have a go with the bat?

:-D
amar kintu mone hoi,
ashraful mukhe ai kotha bolleo, tini kintu mone mone bolen, he allah amake jano ajke namte na hoi. karon ami namlai je duck marar chance beshi. ar duck marlai je amake ber kore dibe. tar theke aitai bhalo. batting o kora laglo na, abar team ar shatheo thaklam. dhannabad.

Mohiul
January 31, 2007, 11:16 AM
jaihok,
ashraful tini kintu bolechen je bigoto series a top order bhalo khelar karone tini batting korar shujog panni. asha kori tini ebar paben. ebong asha korbo tini jeno shafoller shathe tar namer shubichar korte paren. tar khela kintu shob shomoy anondo dai. tobe shai anonder jonno dorshokder tirther kaker moton boshe thakte hoi. asha korbo emonti jeno ar na hoi. ashraful jeno aro ghono ghono Eid ar din ante paren ai kamona korchi. dhannabad.

RidwanBhai, reading your banglish gives me headache.:)

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 31, 2007, 11:17 AM
bepar na.
tylenol kheye niben akta. akdom zhozzhora lagbe.

BangladeshCricket
January 31, 2007, 11:20 AM
Players are feeling the pressure due to competition.
Batters now know if they fail, there are substitutes. But few are just too lucky, but luck will run out if they can't perform.
Still I regret that we failed to arrange matches with Ind/lanka, who are way too different than current Zimb team. But one good thing, we will now know how our team can perform in foreign soil.

FaltuRidwanBhai
January 31, 2007, 11:29 AM
ji apni kintu thiki bolechen. ai series ar maddhome shob cheye beshi amader jeta labh hobe sheta kintu hochhe, amra african matite khelar shoubhaggo orjon korbo, bisshokaper age. dhannabad.

akabir77
January 31, 2007, 11:49 AM
Hope Ashfool's wish doesn't come true. I wish the top order plays well so that he can score his 29 notout and win the games for us. this will boost both his average and confidense...

Nasif
January 31, 2007, 12:26 PM
bepar na.
tylenol kheye niben akta. akdom zhozzhora lagbe.

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AsifTheManRahman
January 31, 2007, 12:52 PM
ashraful should take common sense 101. his comments are getting funnier day by day.

al Furqaan
January 31, 2007, 12:59 PM
ashraful should take common sense 101. his comments are getting funnier day by day.

i agree...this was a riduculous comment

Farhad
January 31, 2007, 12:59 PM
I swear, Ashraful might just be the stupidest person ive ever seen!

Miraz
January 31, 2007, 01:07 PM
Give the kid a break!!

He just showed his determination to perform well.

May be, he said that in the most stupid way but its clear that he is facing the heat and wants to perform.

Fazal
January 31, 2007, 01:14 PM
Give the kid a break!!


yes give this kid a break dance....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/coventry/content/images/2005/06/07/break_dance_gallery_07_300x300.jpg

"Amar boyosh Bayoo ki Teyooo.... Ma Boley ayoo..."

afrina
January 31, 2007, 01:33 PM
Hope top oredr will make runs, so other don't need to bat.

TheWatcher
January 31, 2007, 01:35 PM
I think what Ashraful is trying to say is that he is not happy with the #6 position (not getting enough batting opportunity). Well, atleast the kid has become more diplomatic in his talk :)

Mav
January 31, 2007, 01:42 PM
Now if Tamim show some fireworks, our beloved BCB take him to WC - where his average will not cross 10.00. I am telling you - BCB's attitude to tryout fresh players is why we get bone hard sometime.

Why did this kid tamim got call anyway? His first class experience is only few games.

Man, do we hujuge bangalis ever learn?

Fazal
January 31, 2007, 01:56 PM
I tried my best looking at different angle to make a case about our Kid player in the national team. Sorry to say, he is NOOO kid anymore.... he is dhamra at best.


Ranking (By age):
1. Mohammad Rafique: 36 years 148 days
2. Habibul Bashar: 34 years 167 days
3. Abdur Razzak: 24 years 230 days
4. Tapash Baisya: 24 years 47 days
5. Mashrafe Mortaza: 23 years 118 days
6. Tushar Imran: 23 years 42 days
7. Mohammad Ashraful: 22 years 208 days (One years older than the median in terms of age)
8. Aftab Ahmed: 21 years 82 days
9. Mohammad Sharif: 21 years 50 days
10. Shahriar Nafees: 21 years 6 days
11. Shahadat Hossain: 20 years 177 days
12. Shakib Al Hasan: 19 years 313 days
13. Mehrab Hossain: 19 years 207 days
14. Mushfiqur Rahim: 18 years 152 days
15. Tamim Iqbal Khan: 17 years 317 days
------------------------------

Ranking (By ODI Played) :
1. Mohammad Rafique: 108 ODI
2. Habibul Bashar: 94 ODI
3. Mohammad Ashraful: 85 ODI (within top three interms of ODi experience)
4. Tapash Baisya: 52 ODI
5. Mashrafe Mortaza: 51 ODI
6. Aftab Ahmed: 49 ODI
7. Tushar Imran: 36 ODI
8. Shahriar Nafees: 35 ODI
9. Abdur Razzak: 32 ODI
10. Shahadat Hossain: 16 ODI
11. Shakib Al Hasan: 14 ODI
12. Mohammad Sharif: 08 ODI
13. Mehrab Hossain: 08 ODI
14, Mushfiqur Rahim: 05 ODI
15. Tamim Iqbal Khan.: 00 ODI
---------------------------------
Ranking (By ODI Debut year) :
1. Mohammad Rafique: 1995
1. Habibul Bashar: 1995
3. Mohammad Sharif: 2001
3. Mohammad Ashraful: 2001 (Within top 5 interms of how long he has been exposed to the national team)
3. Mashrafe Mortaza: 2001
3. Tushar Imran: 2001
7. Tapash Baisya: 2002
8. Abdur Razzak: 2004
8. Aftab Ahmed: 2004
10. Shahriar Nafees: 2005
11. Shahadat Hossain: 2006
11. Mushfiqur Rahim: 2006
11. Mehrab Hossain: 2006
11. Shakib Al Hasan: 2006
15. Tamim Iqbal Khan: TBD

sadi
January 31, 2007, 01:57 PM
I think what Ashraful is trying to say is that he is not happy with the #6 position (not getting enough batting opportunity). Well, atleast the kid has become more diplomatic in his talk :)

If thats what he is trying to imply, then he should be happy atleast he still got a position. :p

akabir77
January 31, 2007, 02:00 PM
I think what Ashraful is trying to say is that he is not happy with the #6 position (not getting enough batting opportunity). Well, atleast the kid has become more diplomatic in his talk :)

For your info he wanted to bat at number 6. He would love to bat at 5 but bashar took it but he was happy with 6.

al Furqaan
January 31, 2007, 02:37 PM
Give the kid a break!!

He just showed his determination to perform well.

May be, he said that in the most stupid way but its clear that he is facing the heat and wants to perform.

i also agree with this statement...after all, i am ash's most blind supporter (at least on BC).

Fortuner
January 31, 2007, 05:03 PM
i hope our top order still bats gud n ash doesnt get a chnce...even if he gets a chance he shld b under tremendous pressure n dat shld b in a way a lesson for him....
ashraful hasnt grwn up really....sign of no education....

TheWatcher
January 31, 2007, 06:41 PM
For your info he wanted to bat at number 6. He would love to bat at 5 but bashar took it but he was happy with 6.
As far I know, Ashraful generally likes to bat at #4 or #5 position. No specialist batsman really likes to bat at #6 position. From this position you either have to score quick runs or guide the tail to the end of the innings- pressure situation either way. If you look at Australia, they generally keep a batsman with good nerve in this slot (Bevan, Hussey).

Ash probably took the position just so that he can stay in the team. He is the kind of person who would be happier batting during pressure free middle overs.

Sauron
January 31, 2007, 07:17 PM
ashraful hasnt grwn up really....sign of no education....

একেবারে খাঁটি কথা। না করলো পড়াশোনা ঠিক মতো, না করলো ক্রিকেট টা ঠিক মতো। এরকম হাবা টাইপের কথা বলার চেয়ে চুপ করে থাকলেই ভালো ছিলো। উনি আশা করছেন যে টপ অর্ডার ফেল মারবে যেনো মেগাস্টার ব্যাট্*সম্যান সাহেব সুযোগ পান।

layperson
January 31, 2007, 07:24 PM
I agree that ashraful needs to bat higher up the order. Number 6 is not a position for a specialist batsman in ODI's. It can be used for a "finisher" or batting allrounder. Ashraful is a batsman who is there for scoring runs and lots of it ( whether he does so is another topic). He is there for scoring hundreds and big fifties. I think he should bat atleast in number 5 because you cannot change either Aftab or Sakib's position as they have performed their respective duties. Bashar can be more of a finisher than Ashraful due his maturity more than anything( ability wise Bashar is far far worse to be a finisher).

SMHasan
January 31, 2007, 07:46 PM
I always believe that you should send your better batsman early in the innings. So in this sense Ash does not belong at #6. He needs to come at 4 or 5. If he doesn't get enough time to score then why take him in the team?

shujan
January 31, 2007, 08:16 PM
Ashraful reminds me of old days. Remember those days when we used to pray for our teammates to get out so that we can have a go with the bat?


It also shows his love for playing which is positive.
:onethephone:
I just love this sign.

BangladeshFan
January 31, 2007, 08:28 PM
ya no.6 is a challenging position. changing into different gear according to situation, keeping the strike when the tailenders come up, playing with the field, reminds me of Mr. Cool Beavan. some batsman do it superbly some just flop. inzi is also good at it though he is not a no.6

ashraful is more like a no.4, i think bd should play him in that position in the world cup. he can handle spinners better, which is important for Bd against murali or kumble. sakib may come at 5 and bashar at 6. of all the Bd batsman bashar is better suited to that position but question is will he demote himself to that posn?.

al Furqaan
January 31, 2007, 08:34 PM
I agree that ashraful needs to bat higher up the order. Number 6 is not a position for a specialist batsman in ODI's. It can be used for a "finisher" or batting allrounder. Ashraful is a batsman who is there for scoring runs and lots of it ( whether he does so is another topic). He is there for scoring hundreds and big fifties. I think he should bat atleast in number 5 because you cannot change either Aftab or Sakib's position as they have performed their respective duties. Bashar can be more of a finisher than Ashraful due his maturity more than anything( ability wise Bashar is far far worse to be a finisher).

there isn't much of a difference between number 5 and 6...but bashar should come after ash. as it is, this isn't a very big issue.

ash needs to build his confidence because he is a unique type of player the likes of which only come around every decade or so. whether he translates that or not is a different question.

sakib has done his job beautifully in my opinion so far. now will he continue against top bowling attacks? lets find out...

aftab is an enigma to me, tho not as much as ash. aftab comes in and basically throws his bat around like a tail-ender at number 3. from a purely statistical point of view, if he goes his whole career plundering 50, 60, or 70 runs at a strike rate well above 90...he will end up with a batting average of about 30-35. certainly respectable.

but he can't be considered a great unless he has composed 100s. thus aftab has a bit of growing up to do to get where his potential would indicate.

ashraful needs work on his mind. batting at 6 is the best solution for his frustrating problem. it will up his average and his hard hitting will boost our RR, thereby suiting the team most. plus in the case of a collapse, there is a capable bat to plug any collapse.

in 2 years from now, i would like to see aftab and ash at #3 and #4, not necessarily respectively. this is something we cannot do now, but hopefully they will understand teh game better in a couple of years.

there is no short cut to success, and anyone who lowers his head in disgust at these 2 when they mess up is justified. but give them a chance to grow up. they aren't 25 year old rookies; but 22 year old veterans.

layperson
January 31, 2007, 10:47 PM
there isn't much of a difference between number 5 and 6...but bashar should come after ash. as it is, this isn't a very big issue.

ash needs to build his confidence because he is a unique type of player the likes of which only come around every decade or so. whether he translates that or not is a different question.

sakib has done his job beautifully in my opinion so far. now will he continue against top bowling attacks? lets find out...

aftab is an enigma to me, tho not as much as ash. aftab comes in and basically throws his bat around like a tail-ender at number 3. from a purely statistical point of view, if he goes his whole career plundering 50, 60, or 70 runs at a strike rate well above 90...he will end up with a batting average of about 30-35. certainly respectable.

but he can't be considered a great unless he has composed 100s. thus aftab has a bit of growing up to do to get where his potential would indicate.

ashraful needs work on his mind. batting at 6 is the best solution for his frustrating problem. it will up his average and his hard hitting will boost our RR, thereby suiting the team most. plus in the case of a collapse, there is a capable bat to plug any collapse.

in 2 years from now, i would like to see aftab and ash at #3 and #4, not necessarily respectively. this is something we cannot do now, but hopefully they will understand teh game better in a couple of years.

there is no short cut to success, and anyone who lowers his head in disgust at these 2 when they mess up is justified. but give them a chance to grow up. they aren't 25 year old rookies; but 22 year old veterans.

Ideally number 4 is perfect for a batsman of Ashraful's calibre but the fool has spoiled his own chances by failing repeatedly in that position. Sakib on the other hand has done everything to justify staying there. This is the reason I suggested ashraful to be at 5 instead of 6. It might not appear to be much of a promotion up the order but in a 50 over game situation number 5 has a very good chance of making an impact on the game than number 6. I still think that although 6 will boost up his average but it will give him a false sense of achievement and for someone as "brainy" as ashraful he will think he is achieving greatness. I dont think number 6 is a position for him.

It always amazes me when people say that Aftab is a slogger!!!!! Anyone who has seen him bat and has good knowledge about batting would not say that. He is extremely aggressive and hits balls that are not there to be hit. But slogging is something different. Slogging is when you use cross bat shots to achieve what aftab does using straight bat cricket shots. Its just that he is way ahead ability wise than other people and he is capable of pulling off such shots using straight bat cricketing shots. He is one of the best timers of the ball we have in our team now. I have rarely seen him use cross bat slogs to get his runs. I think with time he will get hundreds and it is showing in the way he is playing now. True he gets out in very stupid manners but he will always be out like this because players of his calibre are mostly sent back to the pavillion because of their own mistake rather than the bowler's genius. The only place I think he should improve is playing the spinners.

Beamer
January 31, 2007, 11:04 PM
Aftab still needs to learn how to milk runs after the field restriction is over. He rarely hangs around after the restriction is over. Until he learns to that, he won't pile up big scores and hundreds. Any captain with half a brain ( Zim, kenya doesn't apply ) would not opt for the power plays when he is in the middle. Simple as that. Once he figures out how to tick the scoreboard without hitting sixes/fours every over, he will be a great batsman. I have no doubt about that. He must learn to work work work his game against the spinners!He is doing a great job giving us a smoking start by taking advantage of the initial restrictions. But he will need to learn to extend his innings...

al Furqaan
February 1, 2007, 12:51 AM
Slogging is when you use cross bat shots to achieve what aftab does using straight bat cricket shots. Its just that he is way ahead ability wise than other people and he is capable of pulling off such shots using straight bat cricketing shots. He is one of the best timers of the ball we have in our team now. I have rarely seen him use cross bat slogs to get his runs. I think with time he will get hundreds and it is showing in the way he is playing now. True he gets out in very stupid manners but he will always be out like this because players of his calibre are mostly sent back to the pavillion because of their own mistake rather than the bowler's genius. The only place I think he should improve is playing the spinners.

beamer bhai as usual has hit the nail right on the head.

shahryiar, you also spoke well...

its just frustrating to see aftab get out for 35 when a big 50 was there or 62 when a 100 was right around the corner...<!-- / message -->

BD-Shardul
February 1, 2007, 12:59 AM
Now if Tamim show some fireworks, our beloved BCB take him to WC - where his average will not cross 10.00. I am telling you - BCB's attitude to tryout fresh players is why we get bone hard sometime.

Why did this kid tamim got call anyway? His first class experience is only few games.

Man, do we hujuge bangalis ever learn?

Exaxctly True

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 01:02 AM
well its true ashraful is at number 6. i think he is the only one who can actually pull him up the order. if he does something real well in this seires, I am sure he will be able to come at number 4. but as he was failing in the last few series, he lost his top order position. but in the same time as BCB still has high hopes in him thats why they didnt completely kick him out, instead they just made him a lower middle order.

layperson
February 1, 2007, 01:06 AM
I know exactly what Beamer and Al furqan are saying. The first time I heard that Aftab ahmed was playing I was like "who is this" because I never heard of his name before that day since I dint follow age group cricket back then. I still remember the first time I saw him bat sitting in my living room in Dhaka. I was astonished at the way the kid timed the ball and the confidence with which he faced the bowlers. I fell in love with his batting that day although he did not score much runs. I think to some extent I love aftab and ashraful's batting blindly. But after a point it gets frsutrating and now I have become more averse to ashraful due to his failure to live up to his talents. Aftab however on the other hand has been improving and I think he is going in the right direction. I think very soon we will him scoring big. There is no fact to back this statement of mine but just pure intuition that says that Aftab will end his career as one of the best batters to come out from BD. Ashraful has left a lot to be desired since he got so many chances, showed flashes of brilliance but never seems to be able to consistently carry it off. I think Ravi Shastri once put it best, "sometimes when you see this kid get out to stupid shots you feel like going to the dressing room and strangling him and asking him what is wrong you, he has so much talent yet he is wasting it all". My emotions exactly.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 01:12 AM
true. the only reason why we feel bad when ashraful fails is because we know the guy has talents. we know he has potentials. we know he can do it. thats why it hurts more when he fails to do it. we just have too much hopes for him. cuz he is the man!!! i hope he will finally understand how much people love his batting and how much expectation we have on him. i hope he will soon find his answer.

SMHasan
February 1, 2007, 11:18 AM
To be honest with everyone I love Ash's batting style. He is unique although he fails. The way he pulls, cuts it's a beauty to watch! Cover drives are charming.

Tigers_eye
February 1, 2007, 11:50 AM
Ash's ideal position is #12.

What happened when everyone wanted Ash to open and face more balls? I heard comments on "Ash the best batsmen we have, he needs to face more balls."

"I want Bashar's position, actually I want Sakib's posistion." The porblem is not Ash's position. The problem is he is having a free ride that is the problem. Did he not get a chance to bat against Zim on 2nd Down??? Go look up the stats against Zim. A 40 ball 14 runs don't do justice to that #4 position. Specially when we had a solid start and then getting bowled (middle stump).

When it comes to players like Rokon, Chacha, K Masud we remember every stupid innings they play. When it comes to beloved Ash we tend to forget everything so quickly.

Why pray for a top order to fail just so you can bat and show your ugly batting??

SMHasan
February 1, 2007, 12:03 PM
Ash's ideal position is #12.

When it comes to players like Rokon, Chacha, K Masud we remember every stupid innings they play. When it comes to beloved Ash we tend to forget everything so quickly.

Why pray for a top order to fail just so you can bat and show your ugly batting??

Yes. We tend to forget everything so quickly because Ash can score a century and win it for you (as he did against the aussies) but Rokon, Chacha or anyone could not. Thats why we forget those mistakes made by Ash.

I am not here to say that his position is permanent in the team but I am here to say that this kid knows how to play. Yes he fails more than he succeeds.

Fazal
February 1, 2007, 12:04 PM
When it comes to players like Rokon, Chacha, K Masud we remember every stupid innings they play. When it comes to beloved Ash we tend to forget everything so quickly.


Ya.... as if "Rokon, Chacha, K Masud" are their ex-girl friend whom they dumped... and "Ash" is like their ex-girl friend who dumped them instead. These fans needs some chakamicine medicine (i.e. checking the scoreboard) to comeback to reality.....

Fazal
February 1, 2007, 12:14 PM
Yes. We tend to forget everything so quickly because Ash can score a century and win it for you (as he did against the aussies) .

One plus year (or is it close to two years?) is a long time my friend to justify current inclusion in the national team. Now if you want to honor him with a celebration party and a gold medal, or call an national holiday ....please do so... I may also contribute some money...... but to make a case to include someone based on 2 years's old perfomance? Thanks but no thanks..... please give us a break.

Currently what right does Ash (or their fans) have to claim a spot in #2, #3, #4 or even #5? They should pray 2 rakat Nofol Namaj becuase he is still in the team..... milking 2 years old performance.

sadi
February 1, 2007, 12:26 PM
Lets bring all those old players who won some games for us. Lets bring back chacha for the Pakistan victory, Nannu for scotland victory, Akram for Holland victory. Pathetic!!!

akabir77
February 1, 2007, 12:30 PM
Ash number 6 is ok for now. Don't change the position before WC. our batsmen need to satledown and know what to do...

Yeah yeah ash got talent and blah blah blah but he can't show that constantly. He is lucky that he is in the team and hense the number 6 is the right spot. remember he doesn't have to rotate strike and hide the tail as much as other number 6 in pak team or indian team as sharif, mushfik, mash and tapash r all good batters so he should do just fine in number 6.

roaring tigerz
February 1, 2007, 12:43 PM
I would like to see Tamim and Sharif for the first game. Lets give Rafiq a break and try out our back up pacer. There could be a rotation policy and Tapash can replace Mashrafee or Razzak in 2nd ODI. Tushar also needs to get at least 2 games. A Tamim- Mehrab opening combo for a game or two would be another option. But then again, as Bashar said the management is more likely to go with their full strength team and not experiment until the series is decided. But my starting XI for ODI 1 would be:

Nafees
Tamim
Aftab
Sakib
Bashar
Ashraful
Mushfiq
Mashrafee
Sharif
Razzak
Shahadat

Tigers_eye
February 1, 2007, 12:50 PM
I have no problem of Ash batting at 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 position as long as he is performing consistantly and better than others in that position. But he isn't. He is becoming a liability to the team because he has no confidence in him right now. Even Zim bowling scares him. Again National team is not the place where one gets back the so called lost form (funny, he never could hold on to a form just glimpes here and there showing the potential). If there were no other player to choose from for the BD national team I would quietly go away and watch Ash bat for BD. But now there are others. Nadif, Forhad needs to be tested. If they fail we have Ash to always fall back for the WC. This is no Test match where experience becomes a huge deal. All players in the first 15 has oneday experiences.

As falturidwanbhai mentioned, deep down inside he is praying that the top order performs well so that he don't have to bat and get a free ride all the way to Port of Spain. Any failure at this stage will boot him out of the team in 11th hour.

Kabir
February 1, 2007, 01:26 PM
These fans needs some chakamicine medicine (i.e. checking the scoreboard) to comeback to reality.....

Fazal mamu speaking from experience. Chakamicine ke define kortese as checking the scoreboard...mone hoy bolte gesilo checkamicine, bolse chakamicine. Chaka khaite khaite galti se mistake hoye gese naki mamu? :smug:

wiseshah
February 1, 2007, 04:04 PM
RidwanBhai, reading your banglish gives me headache.:)


i agree with u 100%. i am tired with this nekami too. atlami ektu beshi hoye jasse money hoy
any way keep posting.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 04:07 PM
beppar na. pochondo na hole porben na.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 04:10 PM
yes bashar has stated that he is going to go with the best 11. according to him he is not taking this as an experiment series. seems like the rotation policy that we are discussing here might not be used in the real world.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 04:13 PM
To be honest with everyone I love Ash's batting style. He is unique although he fails. The way he pulls, cuts it's a beauty to watch! Cover drives are charming.

thats why it hurts when he fails to do those cuz we know he knows how to do those.

layperson
February 1, 2007, 06:08 PM
Ashraful is in the team after for his performance in the domestic league where he scored a double hundred recently. The question most people were discussing here is not the validity of his inclusion in the team but the position he would be best at, given the current players and the batting line up. Since he is in the team he will be in the playing eleven and that is a given for now. Fazal bhai you need to read the context of the posts more carefully I guess. Maybe Kabir is right, too much chakamicine has got to your head.

Fazal
February 1, 2007, 06:23 PM
Ashraful is in the team after for his performance in the domestic league where he scored a double hundred recently.

One single double century in the doestic league doesn't buy you much now a days... not even a free breakfast now a days. There are lots of other players including Gullu, Rajin, and even Taposh scored century recenty. The

question most people were discussing here is not the validity of his inclusion in the team but the position he would be best at, given the current players and the batting line up..

However looks like you fail to see lot of people are discussing the other way around in this thread: and that is the validity of his inclusion is very much in question. And that is validasted by how he was dropped and brought back in the team at the last moment in the last series. What is not in question is: "if he plays where he should be playing now a days?", and that is pretty clear: it's between #6 to #12. This can be only be an open issue only when he can again start contributing to the team. Otherwise he should be happy whatever limited opportunity he gets.


Maybe Kabir is right, too much chakamicine has got to your head.
How its possible? I am NO Ash apologist like some of you guys are. I have very little expectation from Ash now a days. So he cannot give me cheka anymore. People who fancy about Ash playing in #2,#3 or #4 (with his current form) needs to be prepared for cheka.

roaring tigerz
February 1, 2007, 07:47 PM
How does every thread end up being a 'fool fest'?
For now, I see him batting at 6,although I believe the team would benefit from him being at 4 or 5. But there are more questions our team could resolve in this series. For me, the immediate concerns for the team are:
a. Mehrab or Tamim? - Resolving the opener issue
b. Mushfiq or Mashud? - gilt edged opportunity for young Rahim to stake his claim.
Is he ready for the big stage? Can he belt the leather at the end of the innings?
c. Tapash vs Sharif: We dont need an allrounder. Sakib is our 5th bowler. Mashrafee and Shahadat are automatic starters. But who's the other pacer, if we go in with in with one speacilist spinner? We really do need to settle on our 3rd seamer choice.

SMHasan
February 1, 2007, 08:38 PM
To Fazal bhai and others:

I didn't say one single innings gives him the ticket to the national team but what I say is he is capable of doing damage to the opponents any time. He was dropped and he performed in the domestic league and then he came back. So without seeing few matches why you guys are making too many comments? Remember he didn't get enough chance to bat in the last Zim home series.

If he can't perform in this series then leave him alone. Give other players a chance although world cup is coming up. I am not saying to keep him even he fails.

Ragrding the old players- those Rokon and Chacha didn't win a match single handedly like Ash. No one in our history dominated any bowling attack like Ash as he did two yrs ago. But I am not saying to keep him based on that two yrs old performance. But you guys got the wrong message from me.

Read carefully what people try to say then comment.

layperson
February 1, 2007, 10:27 PM
One single double century in the doestic league doesn't buy you much now a days... not even a free breakfast now a days. There are lots of other players including Gullu, Rajin, and even Taposh scored century recenty. The



However looks like you fail to see lot of people are discussing the other way around in this thread: and that is the validity of his inclusion is very much in question. And that is validasted by how he was dropped and brought back in the team at the last moment in the last series. What is not in question is: "if he plays where he should be playing now a days?", and that is pretty clear: it's between #6 to #12. This can be only be an open issue only when he can again start contributing to the team. Otherwise he should be happy whatever limited opportunity he gets.


How its possible? I am NO Ash apologist like some of you guys are. I have very little expectation from Ash now a days. So he cannot give me cheka anymore. People who fancy about Ash playing in #2,#3 or #4 (with his current form) needs to be prepared for cheka.

I personally did not find anyone validating his inclusion in the team. Only Tigers_eye bhai questioned his inclusion other than you in this thread but no one tried to validate him being in the team. Most of us were debating the position he should bat in. I put down the reasons why I think he should come at number 5 and I still stick to that. Other people put down their reasons or preference for him batting at 6.
After getting back in the team in the Zim series he did not get enough chances to show that he failed. However I am the first one to say that his inclusion in the middle of the series was not a good move. Since he is in now, I think a better think to argue is if he should stay in number 6 or not. There is no question that he will play because otherwise there was no point in picking him in the squad if he is sitting in the dressing room when he can play domestic matches.

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 1, 2007, 11:03 PM
he still might not be able to play in the 11 man squad who knows. bashar never said that ashraful is going to be in the team for sure. he said that he will play with the best. and the best never means that ashraful is automatically in there. but yes it will be unlikely to see ashraful not playing. we are always biased towards him. because we just love his batting. most people are happy to see him playing one good innings after flopping 10 rather than giving chance to another player.

Ahmed_B
February 2, 2007, 12:32 AM
:)
And I thought this thread was about NTV interviews. This is just another 'Ash this and Ash that' thread in disguise!

For those who are still hypnotized by Ash's 'ever hidden talents'... there is a saying
“Nothing is more common than potential talents who did not flourish”

Unless Ash proves that he is not among those “most common breed” of people by performing consistently... its really rather useless to waste time writing pages and pages about him.

Fazal
February 2, 2007, 12:34 AM
Ok you guys want to talk about currently which position Ash should play?

Lets take a look with all available players who may be considered in top six slots for world cup. And lets take a sample size of last 20 ODI or all (who played less than 20 ODI)

Name....ODI.....DNB.....N.O....Total....Ave
SN........20.......0.........3......791.....46.53
Mehrab....8.......1........ 0......186.....26.57
Aftab.....20.......0.........2......577....32.06
Sakib.....14.......1.........5......361.....45.13
Bashar,,,,20......4..........3......426.....32.77
Farhad....12......2..........2......231.....28.88
Ashraful...20.....3..........4.......314.....24.15
Tushar....12,,,,,,0..........0.......144.....12.00 (considered for 2005-2006 ODIs only)
Tamim..........Insufficient data
Sharif............Insufficient recent data
Sadat.............Insufficient data
Nadif.............Insufficient data

Now lets analyze position by position for possible World Cup team:

#1 Slot: No open competition here. It’s a done deal for SN. No iff or butts. Unless he is injured.

#2 Slot: Its Mehrab's to loose. Its not finalized yet, but if Mahrab can address his SR a bit and increase his ave, a bit its pretty much his. Tamim has some chance, but needs to dazzle the selectors and Mehrab needs to fumble. If both shines, Tamim can be even tried in slot #6 or #3 (of-course if Aftab fails). If both fails, Sadat is next in the pipeline as Ash has proven again and again that he is a flop as an opener,

#3 Slot: It’s pretty much safe for Aftab unless he really flops big time, which is unlikely. next in the line (distant 2nd) will be Nadif, or Tamim not Ash.

#4 Slot: It’s pretty much safe for Sakib. He just needs to be average to keep his slot. His position in the team is 100% guaranteed because of his all round capability and contribution. I don't see how selectors will rock the boat and messed up the batting stability by switching Ash in slot 4. I can bet my money on that, its not going to happen.

#5 Slot: Unless Bashar voluntarily give up this slot, this is kind of locked for Captain Bashar.

#6 Slot: This slot is pretty much open to grab for the rest. This is the slot where Ashraful, Tushar, Mushfiq, Sharif, Nadif, Farhad and even Tamim will fight.

So welcome back to the reality Asharful.... its not the time for unrealistic argument about where Ash should play ( #1 to #5), the real question is: “Is he capable to taking advantage of the opportunity given to him?” If not…then good luck and a long good bye...because as I mentioned, things are changing pretty quickly now a days for BD cricket ,,,, there are lots of young capable players waiting in the line who will be more than happy batting at #6 rather than whining and complaining about not getting enough chance or higher up in the batting order.

PoorFan
February 2, 2007, 12:49 AM
Oh no!!!!! not again! don't know what to say but ... :head: :head: :head:

BanglaCool
February 2, 2007, 07:20 AM
I agree that ashraful needs to bat higher up the order. Number 6 is not a position for a specialist batsman in ODI's. It can be used for a "finisher" or batting allrounder. Ashraful is a batsman who is there for scoring runs and lots of it ( whether he does so is another topic). He is there for scoring hundreds and big fifties. I think he should bat atleast in number 5 because you cannot change either Aftab or Sakib's position as they have performed their respective duties. Bashar can be more of a finisher than Ashraful due his maturity more than anything( ability wise Bashar is far far worse to be a finisher).
Just my word, Ash should be number 5 and Bashar, the lazy captain should be at number 6. He does not need to play rash shots, just simple cricketing shots, partnering with semi-explosive ash and then protecting the tail. I also believe Ash is trying to save his skin by playing at number 6. After all, you can't blame him much for his failures at that position, can you? If the top order fails and Ash performs badly, then his fans will say hey everyone played bad, why should we blame him alone?
If the top order plays well and he plays bad, then people will be happy any way and forget about his batting failure.

BanglaCool
February 2, 2007, 07:29 AM
...but yes it will be unlikely to see ashraful not playing. we are always biased towards him. because we just love his batting. most people are happy to see him playing one good innings after flopping 10 rather than giving chance to another player.
I beg to differ with you.
Really, I think you are not speaking for most people. Gone are the days, when we only play to win 1 game out of 10. No, we play to win every game and that means we need consistent performers.

Navarene
February 2, 2007, 07:35 AM
Aftab still needs to learn how to milk runs after the field restriction is over. He rarely hangs around after the restriction is over. Until he learns to that, he won't pile up big scores and hundreds. Any captain with half a brain ( Zim, kenya doesn't apply ) would not opt for the power plays when he is in the middle. Simple as that. Once he figures out how to tick the scoreboard without hitting sixes/fours every over, he will be a great batsman. I have no doubt about that. He must learn to work work work his game against the spinners!He is doing a great job giving us a smoking start by taking advantage of the initial restrictions. But he will need to learn to extend his innings...
Very well said Beamer, as usual.

I wish someone could pass this message to Aftab! He has been around in international arena for quite a long time, yet careless about the importance of rotating the strike! When will our strike batsmen learn to take singles??? *sigh*

roaring tigerz
February 2, 2007, 09:41 AM
I agree. Aftab is a bit of a two trick poney at this point. His two favorite strokes, lofted drive over long on and flick through square leg are attempted far too often. But he plays with so much ease.It will hopefully be only a matter of time when he can learn to build an innings instead of smashing a cameo.

akabir77
February 2, 2007, 10:36 AM
Aftab is send to the field to do what jaysuria did. so please people r u going to tell jaysuria to stop hitting and try to rotate? there r other batsmen for to do that. let him play acording to the game plan...

FaltuRidwanBhai
February 2, 2007, 11:42 AM
Aftab is send to the field to do what jaysuria did. so please people r u going to tell jaysuria to stop hitting and try to rotate? there r other batsmen for to do that. let him play acording to the game plan...

the worst thing happens when players try to change their style. a stroke player should play his strokes. because when he is told to do something else, it puts an extra pressure on him which leads to his failure. so i agree with you that aftab's job is to hit and he should go on doing that. having said that, i dont mean that he should go on after every bowl though!!!! that would be another disaster then.

TheWatcher
February 2, 2007, 01:30 PM
It is not like Jayasuriya get all his runs from 4s and 6s. If Aftab wants play an long innings he got to rotate the strike with other batsmen too.

pagol-chagol
February 2, 2007, 02:19 PM
Aftab had the nerve to take us to wins as a #6 batsman. Do you think, Mehrab or Tamim might work as a #6? Have they played there before? Mehrab seems to have the brain to fit in as a #6 quite well.

Beamer
February 2, 2007, 03:47 PM
No one is advocating for Aftab to curb his attacking instincts ! after all that makes him special. But, at the same time, if he wants to be known as one of the best, he must learn to combine his attacking style ( which he employs during restrictions and power plays ) with steady rotation later in the mid -innings. If we are happy with him scoring 50-60's than I guess its a mute point. But, he is capable of much more. We want him to get those big hundreds from no.3 position. If he wants to get that, which he says we wants to, than I am afraid, he needs to change his strategy afer the restcrictions are over. Also, he won't get too many power plays from thinking opposing captains. He has the potential to be a "match winning" batsman. We don't have too many of those mind you. I believe, eventually, he will become just that..

Tigers_eye
February 2, 2007, 04:04 PM
"Protect what is between your lips and between your legs."

Ash can't protect his tongue. His comments like, "Since I didn't get the chance to bat as much for the national team due to our top order batting well, hopefully I'll get some chances to bat this time" is simply pathetic. He don't have to show reasons and trying to hide his own faliure. How many more chances he would need? He is the 3rd highest cap player in our team. An experienced/seasoned player like him should do well in every chance that is thrown at him. 5th ODI against Zim was his chance. He took Sakib's spot (2nd down) in that match. He repaid with 40 ball 14. Bhah, ki shundor. Aro chance dao.

And look at his comment. (implied) Why ask for a top order faliure??? Rajin never complained of getting a chance. He did the opposite. He thanked for the opportunity.

Sorry AhmedB. The more Ash opens up his mouth the more bashing he will get. This is just an aftermath of the NTV interview.

Beamer
February 2, 2007, 04:11 PM
I meant to say as well that he needs to play better, "situational innings". His strategy to go after the bowlers initially is what the team needs from him. In other words, the situation dictates that someone take advantage of that situation ( field restrictions ) and he is capable of launching over the top better than anyone. That part is fine. My problem with him is as soon as the situation changes ( defensive field employed ), he doesn't change his tactic accordingly and perishes playing the same shots trying to clear the boundaries. That part is not fine. For a batsman of his calibre, it is obvious, the expectations are higher and we want him to learn to play every situations. No matter how defensive the field is, a "good" set batsman, who is able to rotate strikes at will, will find the gaps for boundaries. That much is inevitable. Bowlers get frustrated when good balls are milked for quick ones and twos. With his initial bursts of runs already in the pocket, in a matter of 8-10 overs, he will be nearing 80-100, if he does the things right and play according to the "situation" and not try to dictate the "situation".

SMHasan
February 2, 2007, 09:34 PM
"Protect what is between your lips and between your legs."

Ash can't protect his tongue. His comments like, "Since I didn't get the chance to bat as much for the national team due to our top order batting well, hopefully I'll get some chances to bat this time" is simply pathetic. He don't have to show reasons and trying to hide his own faliure. How many more chances he would need? He is the 3rd highest cap player in our team. An experienced/seasoned player like him should do well in every chance that is thrown at him. 5th ODI against Zim was his chance. He took Sakib's spot (2nd down) in that match. He repaid with 40 ball 14. Bhah, ki shundor. Aro chance dao.

And look at his comment. (implied) Why ask for a top order faliure??? Rajin never complained of getting a chance. He did the opposite. He thanked for the opportunity.

Sorry AhmedB. The more Ash opens up his mouth the more bashing he will get. This is just an aftermath of the NTV interview.

Calm down please. It seems that you are a Ash basher. You gotta wait and have patience. Nothing can be done within few days. It takes time to build up a good team.Now you can't throw him out even if you want to and again if he deserves to come back into the team then you can't bring him back unless the selectors bring him back.

All these young players are our future. Only time will say what will happen. So never despair. Have faith and hope.

Thank you.

thebest
February 3, 2007, 12:12 AM
It feels like old days when evry thread become a Gullu thread. And just like Gullu Ash would be footnote in cricket histrory of Bangladesh. He has the potential of a chapter but chose to be footnote.
Pls can some one tell him to stop talking. He is suffering 'foot in mouth' disease.

Fazal
February 6, 2007, 09:19 AM
Ashraful - "Since I didn't get the chance to bat as much for the national team due to our top order batting well, hopefully I'll get some chances to bat this time.

Sometimes wishes comes true you know...... next time think twice what you wish for.:-D

In 2nd ODI Ash came to bat when the team was in bad shape with 49 runs scored with SN, Mehrab, Sakib, HB out with lots of overs left. Ash's wish came true. What he did next? scored 16 valuable runs, which is teams 5th highest score.

Another missed opportunity Ash to prove your current worth!!!!

sadi
February 6, 2007, 10:05 AM
Opps. Abar dora kaise. Its not his fault though. Bechara wait korte korte batting e bhule gese.

TheWatcher
February 6, 2007, 12:46 PM
Tushar is long overdue to take the #6 spot from Ash (since the home series against Zimbabwe). Ash has proved that he can neither accelerate the run rate when required, nor he can guide the tail in crisis situation.

akabir77
February 6, 2007, 01:24 PM
BD should change at least 2 players for the next game

1. Tusher for Ash (I would prefer shumon but since he is the captain)
2. Sharif for Rafiq (That's going to happen anyway)