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Tigers_eye
February 6, 2007, 09:45 AM
No more streaking!! All the wins last year shows us how much weight it has.

Bashar back to ZERO!!

A sound defeat at the hands of Minnow makes us equal to minnows.

Winning formula don't work all the time. If one can't experiment now why take new batsmen bowlers for the tour?? Let them play domestic Cricket.

This tour was necessary for sure. No A team could provide this type of humiliation.

Send back Tamim. Old DOHS can use him a little. For sure management won't play him now.

roi
February 6, 2007, 10:06 AM
Just a defeat, isn't it? I am not sad.............

TheWatcher
February 6, 2007, 10:07 AM
We sure have a team that can beat this Zimbabwe-B side on every ocassion, but what do you expect when the coach and the captain let the players slack off (stretching in hotel while Zimbabweans were working their butt off in the nets) just after one win ?

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 10:08 AM
Reality check!!

Checked, brother.

My 2 cents, again..

It is definitely a wake up call for Bangladesh ahead to World Cup Cricket. Players and team management should sit together and try to find out, what went horribly wrong? Another series loss to Zimbabwe would mean Bangladesh has achieved nothing in last one year.

SMHasan
February 6, 2007, 10:21 AM
A sound defeat at the hands of Minnow makes us equal to minnows.


Exactly what I try to say. We are minnows again!

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2007, 10:28 AM
Just a defeat, isn't it? I am not sad.............
I understand your stance. But there were problems in BD team for the last few years. After so many months we could not solve those problems at all.

1. Top order collapse.
2. Batting lineup.
3. Bush like vision. Stay the course no matter what the reality is in the sugar coated name of "consistancy". Examples: We take players just for the sake of travel. We give chances to off form players as a free rides and to some players they can only play one innings then off the team again. Thus destroying any confidence he has in him.
4. We are better than Zim in every category one can think of.
a) Experience.
b) Skilled players.
c) Facilities.
d) Coaches.
e) Finance.
f) Organization/Admin.
name anything. We are better.

How can i accept a defeat like this??

I had no issue if we lost to fighting total or in the 47th+ over. But do take it personally when the beating shows us we are no better than the Canada or Barmuda.

These are the signs that our ek guiye management can't read. I am upset!! Very upset!! Stay the course...WC would be another dissaster unless something drastic is done ASAP!!

Mahmood
February 6, 2007, 10:30 AM
If we can win the rest 2 matches strongly, then we can throw this loss as just an upset, as any given day any team with ODI can lose to any other ODI team.

If we draw or lose this series, we got a problem.

roaring tigerz
February 6, 2007, 10:33 AM
If we had to lose, this was the best time for it. The continuous crushing of feeble opposition was masking some of our shortcomings. We are an improving team, with good young players. But as a team we have not proved our ability to consistently challenge the top 8. The oppositions know it, the media shares the opinion, and our cricketers have said as much. So we should not be deluded enough to imagine any surprise run to the WC second round.

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 10:44 AM
If we had to lose, this was the best time for it. The continuous crushing of feeble opposition was masking some of our shortcomings. We are an improving team, with good young players. But as a team we have not proved our ability to consistently challenge the top 8. The oppositions know it, the media shares the opinion, and our cricketers have said as much. So we should not be deluded enough to imagine any surprise run to the WC second round.

Very well said.

I fully endorse your view.

Pundit
February 6, 2007, 10:48 AM
I think this result is good. It will prevent the players from getting too carried away. I think the best series result will be 3-1, with us winning all the remaining games. Lets also hope that we lost because we were slacking off, and not because under alien conditions we fall in quality, when playing Zimbabwe.

I am concerned with the fact that we are playing Zims so much. Hopefully we can sneak in one additional ODI against a team like NZ, before the cup.

Spitfire_x86
February 6, 2007, 10:56 AM
Exactly what I try to say. We are minnows again!
Again? Were we something else before?

Although it's not likely to have any practical result, selectors should rest Mehrab and try Tamim. Someone who averages 20 with SR of 40 after 9-10 ODIs against minnows is definately not the solution to our ODI opening problem against any kind of opposition.

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2007, 10:58 AM
To beat any test team at Port of Spain one must at least score 280+. I am not making this up without any type of research. Be it Ind, SL, NZ or WI. Heck even a 300 would be hard to defend the way other teams are scoring. With the batting lineup we have, scoring a 250+ against those attacks would be a wishful thinking. Hense my little tiny window of "asha" is getting closed by the seconds. Now the only thing I have is prayer for a miracle similar to cardiff.

fwullah
February 6, 2007, 11:03 AM
not because under alien conditions we fall in quality, when playing Zimbabwe - Just reading the match reports and glancing at the scorecard - I fear that this is exactly what happened today - both at the top (team management - captaincy) as well as at the bottom (players themselves).

The team management chose to select 2 spinners regardless of the fact that Zimbabwe pitches favor pace bowlers (seam bowlers - like Khaled Mahmud - Forhad Reza), Captain did not choose to bowl Aftab even though he's in the final eleven (or is Aftab still injured to bowl?) and too much reliance on the spinners even with a score of a mere 153. Then the players themselves - Razzak is a good spin bowler, yet he could not bowl like he always does (or does he always bowl better in the subcontinent turning pitches - like all Deshi spinners?).

I also fear that one of our strenghts has shown us to one of our weaknesses - left arm spin bowling. Why are there so many left arm spinners in our domestic cricket? We are proud to produce so many left arm spinners, who are a rarity in the rest of the world, however, doesn't it mean that our local batsman have some vital technical flaws who are playing in the domestic cricket? Why else would players like Ashraful, Mushfiqur Rahim and Mashrafee Bin Murtoza get out to left arm spin of Sean Williams?

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 11:25 AM
To add more misery, Rafiq had to leave the field after a collison with Sibanda.

I hope he will be fit before Friday.

Xavier
February 6, 2007, 11:31 AM
IMVHO Zimbabwe are not as weak as they are usually considered... a very young team but cricketers like Sibanda, Taylor, Williams, Chigumbura, Ireland... are talented and will have a good international career. What has made Zimbabwe weaker in the last times is the chaos about both the country and the board, not lack of talent, so I wouldn't consider this defeat to be so shameful.

SMHasan
February 6, 2007, 11:32 AM
To win after scoring 150 you need some good bowlers. And some good tactics, some good and clever thinking but sadly Habibul got none of those. You just can't win spreading your fielders out. He has never been attacking at all. We saw in recent past and today we can easily understand this when one of their batter scored 80+ with just 2 4's. This is dull captaincy.

But after all we failed to click in batting. That was the main reason of this loss.

Kabir
February 6, 2007, 11:35 AM
Reality check: Dhopash kore akash theke porlam. Poshchat desh e ektu bethao pailam. Maja mone hoy dui tukra korte pari nai. Tobe reality bujhe gesi.

Eibar urar agay parachute niya urbo...jaate porleo poshchat deshe betha na pai...ami abar ektu mota ki na, tai!!!

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 11:42 AM
Reality check: Dhopash kore akash theke porlam. Poshchat desh e ektu bethao pailam. Maja mone hoy dui tukra korte pari nai. Tobe reality bujhe gesi.

Eibar urar agay parachute niya urbo...jaate porleo poshchat deshe betha na pai...ami abar ektu mota ki na, tai!!!

:floor::floor:

:bravo::bravo:

Fazal er joggo vaigna :-D

roaring tigerz
February 6, 2007, 12:02 PM
Tamim and Sharif have to play next game. I would prefer to rest Nafees and open with Mehrab and Tamim. But thats unlikely, given the present series situation. But if we really want to settle on an opening combination, we have to give the contenders a fair run. No brainer.

I hope in Windies we are not even thinking about playing with two specialist spinners. Playing two spinners is all good, if they are different types of bowlers, or they are attacking matchwinners. Rafiq and Razzak are great, but they are not all that different. India and SriLnaka will find 30 overs of monotonous SLAs a mouthwatering prospect(including Sakib). Both Srilanka and Windies gave an illustration of the futility of this strategy at the Champions Trophy. This would only work with teams like Zimbabwe in sub continental conditions.Only one of them can start. So who's our 3rd pacer? Yes, your guess is as good as mine. We have no clue whatsoever, because we never gave any of them a chance. Rasel and Farhad tried and discarded. Now seems like Sharif and Tapash won't even get a game. I want to see Sharif, because his apparent reverse swing abilities with the old ball.

BangladeshCricket
February 6, 2007, 12:19 PM
............But if we really want to settle on an opening combination, we have to give the contenders a fair run. No brainer.
even we have brain, do you think our players have any brain!!
I hope in Windies we are not even thinking about playing with two specialist spinnersPlaying two spinners is all good, if they are different types of bowlers, or they are attacking matchwinners. Rafiq and Razzak are great, but they are not all that different. India and SriLnaka will find 30 overs of monotonous SLAs a mouthwatering prospect(including Sakib). Both Srilanka and Windies gave an illustration of the futility of this strategy at the Champions Trophy. This would only work with teams like Zimbabwe in sub continental conditions.Only one of them can start. .

Apparently, our selectors do not understand our concerns and thought our SLA will win the matches for us. They don't understand that other team players' have more brain and dedication toward winning than our sluggish and indolent players.

So who's our 3rd pacer? Yes, your guess is as good as mine. We have no clue whatsoever, because we never gave any of them a chance. Rasel and Farhad tried and discarded. Now seems like Sharif and Tapash won't even get a game. I want to see Sharif, because his apparent reverse swing abilities with the old ball.

Agree something, there's nothing we can do as we didn't plan before for the upcoming worldcup, even we choose third pacer i wonder if they can restrict big teams by not giving away 30 runs in 5 overs. Our limitations will always put us in back seat.

Kabir
February 6, 2007, 12:23 PM
:floor::floor:

:bravo::bravo:

Fazal er joggo vaigna :-D

Dhonnobad. Dhonnobad.

Dedicated to Fazal mamu :-B

Fazal
February 6, 2007, 12:29 PM
Dhonnobad. Dhonnobad.

Dedicated to Fazal mamu :-B

Marhaba Marhaba .... Bhaigna Amar mamur Ijjat rakse tailey.

Kabir
February 6, 2007, 12:34 PM
Marhaba Marhaba .... Bhaigna Amar mamur Ijjat rakse tailey.

Mamu...duwa raikhen. Last bar er shei shoroniyo hug ta ekhono bhuli nai.

From right to left: Fazal mamu, me (from the last time we met in Washington DC)
http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m195/sparky_space/tigermanhug8ld.jpg

Fazal
February 6, 2007, 12:39 PM
From right to left: .....
Bhaigna .... "right to left" from where? from Body or Matha?

patriot
February 6, 2007, 12:45 PM
DROP that kid Mehrab Husaain jr.
Things will return back to normal then.

Kabir
February 6, 2007, 12:46 PM
Bhaigna .... "right to left" from where? from Body or Matha?

:floor: :floor:
Legitimate question. Sheita nahoy question mark porjontoi rakhi?

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 12:47 PM
Bhaigna .... "right to left" from where? from Body or Matha?
:lol:

akabir77
February 6, 2007, 01:21 PM
Guys Ok i am going to be the bad guy for saying thins but don't you think that if we had snail pace pilot today we could have score a lot more may be reach 200. We got bowled out in 46 overs 4 overs where left. this is were experience comes in handy. I think tusher shoud be given last 2 games he disrves it more than tamim getting a chance but he should be tried out too at least one match. This series suppose to be for wc perparation i don't see any of it...

LateCut
February 6, 2007, 01:32 PM
Batting colapse is nothing new for BD. It will happen with regularity. But how often do we see that our world class bowlers struggle against marginal batsmen?

This is a wakeup call. Or is it a reality check?

Miraz
February 6, 2007, 01:49 PM
Another reality check...

[বাংলা]সাবধান!!! ilz আইলো ... ;) [/বাংলা]

pagol-chagol
February 6, 2007, 05:16 PM
With Rafiq out Mehrab Jr. becomes the second spinner. Good game to lose. At least, now we know that all those wins were not just winning against girls. Bermuda doesn't like it. This will wake us up from possible World Cup upset. India will be more complacent. I am not advocating losing the next 2 to make them more complacent. Just a thought. I'd like to see Tamim at 1 and Mehrab at 6 (for Ash), because I don't think Tushar can do well against top class bowlers. May be Tamim/Mehrab can't play top bowlers either. Whatever. Sharif will probably will replace Rafiq.

al Furqaan
February 6, 2007, 05:27 PM
If we can win the rest 2 matches strongly, then we can throw this loss as just an upset, as any given day any team with ODI can lose to any other ODI team.

If we draw or lose this series, we got a problem.

exactly...i am as pissed as the next person...but you guys are blowing this way out of proportion. kenya has lost 2 times to teams that would make zimbabwe look like the aussies. still they are head and shoulders above everyone in WCL.

lets first lose this series, and then prepare for keyamot.

Tigers_eye
February 6, 2007, 05:30 PM
Guys Ok i am going to be the bad guy for saying thins but don't you think that if we had snail pace pilot today we could have score a lot more may be reach 200. We got bowled out in 46 overs 4 overs where left. this is were experience comes in handy. I think tusher shoud be given last 2 games he disrves it more than tamim getting a chance but he should be tried out too at least one match. This series suppose to be for wc perparation i don't see any of it...
Almost there but not quiet.

Mushfiq did came in at 15.5 overs when Bd was 50/5 and stayed till 44.1 overs. He had done the snails job better. :) No need for Pilot even for the WC.

Thank you pagol bhai for putting a positive spin. I will take that and head home.

al Furqaan
February 6, 2007, 05:31 PM
To beat any test team at Port of Spain one must at least score 280+. I am not making this up without any type of research. Be it Ind, SL, NZ or WI. Heck even a 300 would be hard to defend the way other teams are scoring. With the batting lineup we have, scoring a 250+ against those attacks would be a wishful thinking. Hense my little tiny window of "asha" is getting closed by the seconds. Now the only thing I have is prayer for a miracle similar to cardiff.

with bashar's captaincy...even if we scored 300, it could easily be chased.

Rubu
February 6, 2007, 06:35 PM
AF, going back to the comment I made few days ago, do you somehow agree with me now?

al Furqaan
February 6, 2007, 07:39 PM
AF, going back to the comment I made few days ago, do you somehow agree with me now?

if it was about bashar's ineptitude i did then, and certainly do now.

if it was about anything else, nope.

1 loss and bangladesh are supposed to be even stevens with zimbabwe.

but after 8 straight wins, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 of them wouldn't bangladesh be similarily 8 steps ahead?

with a resulting net gain of +7

but of course the whole field of mathematics, and hence our number system, is also blindly optimistic in bangladesh's favor...*sarcasm*

:flag:

Thunder
February 6, 2007, 07:56 PM
There's a good chance that this series will end in a draw 2-2 but considering the heavy defeat we may even lose the series..

:doh:

Imteaz
February 6, 2007, 10:23 PM
I don't Think Loosing One Match is So Important. It is Important to Win the Series. If Bangladesh Cannot Win or Even Draw the Series..............It will Prove Bangladesh 18 wins of 28 Match on Last Year was Basically Useless. Winning 5-0 in Home Soil against Zimbabwe (Lowest Standard Test Team in World Cricket) doesnt Make any Sense. Bangladesh should Naturally Win the Series. Still I Believe Bangladesh Can Win the Series.

So, Still I am Considering "It was Just a Bad Day, Bangladesh will Come Back in The Next Match".

karimjay.
February 7, 2007, 01:15 AM
Now we need management to pull us through.

If they do a good job, our soldiers will be thirsty for revenge. And show that what happened yesterday was an incident that occurs every blue moon.

If they do a bad job, our troops will be morally kicked so hard that they'll struggle through the other matches, losing at least one.

BD-Shardul
February 7, 2007, 03:33 AM
The reality is

Zimbabwer kalara onek shoktishali (I Mean Physically).
So it is not easy to beat them as it sounds.

Another thing: Why shahadat is playing? Either Taposh or Sharif is needed o be given chance immedietly.

Miraz
February 7, 2007, 05:58 AM
This is what Hablu said in post match interview

Habibul Bashar rued his side's batting collapse to 153, which left the bowlers with too much to do. "We did not play well enough today and that is why we lost the game. We lost too many wickets in the early stages of the match, we tried all we could but in the end a score of 153 was never going to be enough on that kind of a wicket.
"Zimbabwe did well in their bowling today and it is now up to us to do our best in the next game to get a win. We needed to take wickets and get more runs on the board, which today we failed to do."

karimjay.
February 7, 2007, 06:16 AM
Words of an expert...

kfirooz
February 7, 2007, 09:34 AM
Heaping praise after praise at a win against a weaker opposition and blasting the team to nothing when they lose is a trait with Bangladeshi supporters.
They have to realise just one thing. Bangladesh is no doubt improving but like it or not still not close to the other test nations, except Zimbabwe.
Bangladesh is surely the best of the minnows.
With some more hard work and committment Bangladesh will begin winning against the tops regularly and that needs to happen before dreaming of any spectacular success.
So be realistic and supportive not over enthusiastic

kalpurush
February 7, 2007, 11:08 AM
If we can win the rest 2 matches strongly, then we can throw this loss as just an upset, as any given day any team with ODI can lose to any other ODI team.

If we draw or lose this series, we got a problem.

Ditto:up:

Sauron
February 7, 2007, 11:19 AM
Checked, brother.

My 2 cents, again..

It is definitely a wake up call for Bangladesh ahead to World Cup Cricket. Players and team management should sit together and try to find out, what went horribly wrong? Another series loss to Zimbabwe would mean Bangladesh has achieved nothing in last one year.

I think this is very good wake up call for players and the fans.

A thread started by Miraz has the record of all the megalomaniac fans that did not want ZIM series.

http://www.banglacricket.com/alochona/showthread.php?t=18165

I will repeat what I said in that thread -
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Okay, stop being snotty.

This ZIM/BAN tour may be boring - but ONLY for some of the fans. Not for the team. We lost the last away series in ZIM. To win the series this time will be an improvement.

Granted BD IS playing better than before. But as some fans are developing this "Yawn" / "Oh no, another boring series" type mentality, I pray and hope that our cricketers are not being as snotty.

Match practice and perpetuation of the winning habit is very important for the BD team right now.

Good job by BCB to at least go out there and secure some quality match practice - definitely beats practice matches between Bangladesh Red and Bangladesh Green.

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Miraz
February 7, 2007, 12:05 PM
I think this is very good wake up call for players and the fans.
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I will repeat what I said in that thread -

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Okay, stop being snotty.

Granted BD IS playing better than before. But as some fans are developing this "Yawn" / "Oh no, another boring series" type mentality, I pray and hope that our cricketers are not being as snotty.
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Your words have reached fans and unfortunately got lost on the way to players. :)

Hopefully players have learnt a lesson and will act accordingly.

pagol-chagol
February 7, 2007, 12:23 PM
Has anybody ever heard Bashar ever saying anything new or anything intelligent? He doesn't add anything to what you already know.

Kabir
February 7, 2007, 01:15 PM
Has anybody ever heard Bashar ever saying anything new or anything intelligent? He doesn't add anything to what you already know.

What can he do? Our education system in Bangladesh offers no means for anyone to be creative, and say things constructively. Even in the SSC exams they write essays that they've memorized. What does our bechara Hablu have to do with it? After all, he's also a human being.

Jokes apart, I'm pretty sure it is based on his level of creativity. Or may be, he just doesn't feel comfortable speaking in public about failure?

green_cat
February 7, 2007, 02:32 PM
original reality is that we are TIGER in home soil (lefties became google) and CAT in outside home (spin became roshogolla). We should realize now that 2 spinners outside our contingent is useless except against minnows (oops..zimbos also played well against our spinners outside BD).

Imteaz
February 7, 2007, 10:47 PM
original reality is that we are TIGER in home soil (lefties became google) and CAT in outside home (spin became roshogolla). We should realize now that 2 spinners outside our contingent is useless except against minnows (oops..zimbos also played well against our spinners outside BD).

Zimbabwe Condition Doesn't Allow to Play with Two Spinners. Why Management Do Not Allow to Play an Extra Pacer? We Have Extra Pacer. Sharif and Tapash. They are Good. Sharif has Experience in Zimbabwe.

Batters Failed due to Over Confidence. So......................

Beamer
February 7, 2007, 11:09 PM
I am not that concerned with the result. It can happen. Man for man, we are a better team than the current Zimbabwe team. However, there is a thing called law of average in sports, and these type of unexpected results can happen. We have played them so much lately that you knew we were going to slip once after beating them so many times. If we end up losing the series, which I don't see happening, only then I will be concerned.